| Is the lock down ending too soon? 04:59 - Jul 1 with 142854 views | Glyn1 |
That's basically it.
Thoughts please. [Post edited 1 Jul 2020 5:00]
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 12:00 - Aug 16 with 1514 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 22:06 - Aug 15 by Scotia |
And potentially a higher R number than anywhere in England except the North West.
Its hard to think how he could have done a worse job really. |
Correct, Infection rate per 100,000 in Wales 15% higher than in England despite lockdown in Wales being far tighter and much longer yet people still think Drakeford has done better then England l, Scotland and NI. |  |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 13:02 - Aug 16 with 1509 views | Scotia |
That's hardly a surprise. It shows that lockdown worked. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:35 - Aug 16 with 1477 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 11:27 - Aug 16 by Scotia |
Where have I claimed that most of England is doing better than Wales?
Once again you've cherry picked areas of infection and ignored great swathes of the country that are in a much better position. |
I have actually picked the areas of England and Wales with over 10 cases per 100,000 and subsequently others down to 6 leaving out places in the North West and London. What the figures do show is the high numbers of cases in most parts of England. We have already agreed the area in the North West around Manchester but the figures also show high rates in the very North West Cumbria. The North East Newcastle. Middlesborough and Sunderland. Yorkshire including Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield and Wakefield. The East midlands Derby, Nottingham and Leicester. The West Midlands Coventry, Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Dudley and Telford. The East of England including Luton and Perterborough. The shire counties including Northamptonshire, Leicestershire, Oxfordshire and Berkshire and the West of England including Bristol and Swindon. All of these have double the average Welsh rate and higher than every other Welsh local authority besides Wrexham. You could also include areas in and around the North West Liverpool, Blackpool and Cheshire.
There are no doubt a few areas in England which have low figures just as there are in Wales but the fact remains the AVERAGE rate in England is double that in England and isnt just because of the Manchester and London areas. This isnt cherry picking it is fact. Just because it doesnt suit your agenda doesnt make it wrong. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 16:07 - Aug 16 with 1465 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:35 - Aug 16 by exhmrc1 |
I have actually picked the areas of England and Wales with over 10 cases per 100,000 and subsequently others down to 6 leaving out places in the North West and London. What the figures do show is the high numbers of cases in most parts of England. We have already agreed the area in the North West around Manchester but the figures also show high rates in the very North West Cumbria. The North East Newcastle. Middlesborough and Sunderland. Yorkshire including Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield and Wakefield. The East midlands Derby, Nottingham and Leicester. The West Midlands Coventry, Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Dudley and Telford. The East of England including Luton and Perterborough. The shire counties including Northamptonshire, Leicestershire, Oxfordshire and Berkshire and the West of England including Bristol and Swindon. All of these have double the average Welsh rate and higher than every other Welsh local authority besides Wrexham. You could also include areas in and around the North West Liverpool, Blackpool and Cheshire.
There are no doubt a few areas in England which have low figures just as there are in Wales but the fact remains the AVERAGE rate in England is double that in England and isnt just because of the Manchester and London areas. This isnt cherry picking it is fact. Just because it doesnt suit your agenda doesnt make it wrong. |
To add in other places in areas I might have missed out Gloucestershire 5 South Gloucestershire 4 Southampton 6 Kent 5 Reading 6 | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:52 - Aug 16 with 1453 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:35 - Aug 16 by exhmrc1 |
I have actually picked the areas of England and Wales with over 10 cases per 100,000 and subsequently others down to 6 leaving out places in the North West and London. What the figures do show is the high numbers of cases in most parts of England. We have already agreed the area in the North West around Manchester but the figures also show high rates in the very North West Cumbria. The North East Newcastle. Middlesborough and Sunderland. Yorkshire including Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield and Wakefield. The East midlands Derby, Nottingham and Leicester. The West Midlands Coventry, Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Dudley and Telford. The East of England including Luton and Perterborough. The shire counties including Northamptonshire, Leicestershire, Oxfordshire and Berkshire and the West of England including Bristol and Swindon. All of these have double the average Welsh rate and higher than every other Welsh local authority besides Wrexham. You could also include areas in and around the North West Liverpool, Blackpool and Cheshire.
There are no doubt a few areas in England which have low figures just as there are in Wales but the fact remains the AVERAGE rate in England is double that in England and isnt just because of the Manchester and London areas. This isnt cherry picking it is fact. Just because it doesnt suit your agenda doesnt make it wrong. |
So you have cherry picked then.
Of course infections are higher in England generally they've been out of lock down a month longer. And some cases were increasing in Asian communities already. The fact is that vast swathes of the country have a level equivalent to that in Wales or lower, and areas of outbreaks seem to be controlled. Across England infections appear stable in the community and the R is probably below 1. That is great news.
England are also undertaking over 150000 more, targeted tests than we are in Wales They will find infections.
Infections are likely to increase here as they have in Scotland and Northern Ireland.
But I really don't think you get the human geography around this situation, England will have more cases down to population density and demographics. For perspective take somewhere like Northamptonshire, you seem to think its a rural backwater but its population is more than we have in South East Wales. That is before you consider places like Birmingham, Manchester or even a city like Leeds. Infection will spread quicker in these places but it is being controlled. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:08 - Aug 16 with 1447 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:52 - Aug 16 by Scotia |
So you have cherry picked then.
Of course infections are higher in England generally they've been out of lock down a month longer. And some cases were increasing in Asian communities already. The fact is that vast swathes of the country have a level equivalent to that in Wales or lower, and areas of outbreaks seem to be controlled. Across England infections appear stable in the community and the R is probably below 1. That is great news.
England are also undertaking over 150000 more, targeted tests than we are in Wales They will find infections.
Infections are likely to increase here as they have in Scotland and Northern Ireland.
But I really don't think you get the human geography around this situation, England will have more cases down to population density and demographics. For perspective take somewhere like Northamptonshire, you seem to think its a rural backwater but its population is more than we have in South East Wales. That is before you consider places like Birmingham, Manchester or even a city like Leeds. Infection will spread quicker in these places but it is being controlled. |
Is the 150000 more tests proportional. Yesterday there were 6762 tests in Wales the UK equivalent tests of over 140000. According to the UK Government statistics there were actually 182987 tests. that doesnt get anywhere your false amount. There were 1040 new cases as against nearly 3 times the rate. Nothing to do with huge amount more testing. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:45 - Aug 16 with 1439 views | Catullus |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:08 - Aug 16 by exhmrc1 |
Is the 150000 more tests proportional. Yesterday there were 6762 tests in Wales the UK equivalent tests of over 140000. According to the UK Government statistics there were actually 182987 tests. that doesnt get anywhere your false amount. There were 1040 new cases as against nearly 3 times the rate. Nothing to do with huge amount more testing. |
182987 is more than 150000 though! | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:15 - Aug 16 with 1428 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:08 - Aug 16 by exhmrc1 |
Is the 150000 more tests proportional. Yesterday there were 6762 tests in Wales the UK equivalent tests of over 140000. According to the UK Government statistics there were actually 182987 tests. that doesnt get anywhere your false amount. There were 1040 new cases as against nearly 3 times the rate. Nothing to do with huge amount more testing. |
Seriously what are you talking about?
The number of tests is the number of tests. Proportionality doesn't matter. The more you test the more you find.
In June when we were seeing in excess of 1000 cases a day there were tens of thousands less tests.
Oh, and you still haven't said how England "fiddled" their updated death figures | | | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:41 - Aug 16 with 1420 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:45 - Aug 16 by Catullus |
182987 is more than 150000 though! |
yes but not 150000 more. 180000 is roughly 9000 in Wales. The figures are not hugely different. You also have to consider England are having to do large scale testing in some many areas which have very high rates and are in some form of intervention. We dont have that type of area in Wales currently. When we had problems in the factory in Angelsey we tested everyone there. Similarly in Wrexham and Merthyr Tydfil. There is absolutely no pint random testing. You will just get loads of negative tests.
Wales has been testing all staff and patients in Nursing Homes. People who get admitted to hospital get routinely tested but the results are mainly negative. The positive tests are coming from people who ask for tests believing they have symptoms and a larger percentage of those are found positive.
As an example todays figures show that in Swansea Bay Health Board 30 were tested in Hospital. All were negative. 82 were tested in things like Care Homes. All were negative. There were 92 home tests and all proved negative and there were 121 tests by mobile testing units and all were negative. You could have multiplied these tests by 100 and still not found any cases.
In the week to 9/8/20 there were 119 tested on admission to hospitals and all proved negative.
Over 400 tests and not a single one positive.
Today there was 1 found positive in a Hospital in Wales out of 412 tests. 11 were found positive from Home tests who believed they might have symptoms and 6 were found positive in a targeted mobile unit.
Of the targeted test 5 were on 13 August and 1 on 14 August. Of the home tests 5 were from tests taken on 11 August and 6 on 12 August. The 1 positive hospital test relates to a test taken on 12 August.
Since testing commenced nearly 10% of the Welsh population has been tested. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:33 - Aug 16 with 1394 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:41 - Aug 16 by exhmrc1 |
yes but not 150000 more. 180000 is roughly 9000 in Wales. The figures are not hugely different. You also have to consider England are having to do large scale testing in some many areas which have very high rates and are in some form of intervention. We dont have that type of area in Wales currently. When we had problems in the factory in Angelsey we tested everyone there. Similarly in Wrexham and Merthyr Tydfil. There is absolutely no pint random testing. You will just get loads of negative tests.
Wales has been testing all staff and patients in Nursing Homes. People who get admitted to hospital get routinely tested but the results are mainly negative. The positive tests are coming from people who ask for tests believing they have symptoms and a larger percentage of those are found positive.
As an example todays figures show that in Swansea Bay Health Board 30 were tested in Hospital. All were negative. 82 were tested in things like Care Homes. All were negative. There were 92 home tests and all proved negative and there were 121 tests by mobile testing units and all were negative. You could have multiplied these tests by 100 and still not found any cases.
In the week to 9/8/20 there were 119 tested on admission to hospitals and all proved negative.
Over 400 tests and not a single one positive.
Today there was 1 found positive in a Hospital in Wales out of 412 tests. 11 were found positive from Home tests who believed they might have symptoms and 6 were found positive in a targeted mobile unit.
Of the targeted test 5 were on 13 August and 1 on 14 August. Of the home tests 5 were from tests taken on 11 August and 6 on 12 August. The 1 positive hospital test relates to a test taken on 12 August.
Since testing commenced nearly 10% of the Welsh population has been tested. |
Complete guff. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:57 - Aug 16 with 1385 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:33 - Aug 16 by Scotia |
Complete guff. |
All taken from the Public Heath Wales Twitter page and gov.uk. Totally factual. Try looking at the real facts not your made up to sult yourself version.
https://t.co/zpWRYSUbfh?amp=1
https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/
Wake up to the real world instead of your fantasy one. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 22:57 - Aug 16 with 1374 views | Catullus |
The real facts still tell a different story though. There is still so much we don't now, as the outbreak in Vietnam showed. It's hardly a cause for celebration, all the facts and figures need to be collated when this is over, nobody can be declared the winner nor even said to have done any better, yet. Other countries are having their second waves and the experts have been saying the second wave, if it's peaking in winter, could be much worse.
We still need to be cautious, still need to obey the rules. We still need a vaccine. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 23:14 - Aug 16 with 1368 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 22:57 - Aug 16 by Catullus |
The real facts still tell a different story though. There is still so much we don't now, as the outbreak in Vietnam showed. It's hardly a cause for celebration, all the facts and figures need to be collated when this is over, nobody can be declared the winner nor even said to have done any better, yet. Other countries are having their second waves and the experts have been saying the second wave, if it's peaking in winter, could be much worse.
We still need to be cautious, still need to obey the rules. We still need a vaccine. |
I agree with your final sentence totally. Being cautious is the right approach although others disagree. Whilst the Senydd is being extremely cautious Johnson has again opened more things up will his high figures remain. The figures released today for the UK still show over 1000 new cases which is higher than it was when he put the breaks on.
In Wales we do not yet know what impact opening pubs and gyms will have. Probably wont know until the weekend or possibly Mon or Tuesday next week as some of the Pillar 2 testing is sometimes not shown until 5 or more days after the test takes place.
We have very few positive test these days under Pillar 1 Tests just 1 today. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 23:23 - Aug 16 with 1366 views | Catullus |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 23:14 - Aug 16 by exhmrc1 |
I agree with your final sentence totally. Being cautious is the right approach although others disagree. Whilst the Senydd is being extremely cautious Johnson has again opened more things up will his high figures remain. The figures released today for the UK still show over 1000 new cases which is higher than it was when he put the breaks on.
In Wales we do not yet know what impact opening pubs and gyms will have. Probably wont know until the weekend or possibly Mon or Tuesday next week as some of the Pillar 2 testing is sometimes not shown until 5 or more days after the test takes place.
We have very few positive test these days under Pillar 1 Tests just 1 today. |
Pubs opening elsewhere hasn't been brilliant, there's been outbreaks centred on pubs.
I saw as well that there is a study going on into aircraft transmissions as there was a mini outbreak (16 cases) linked to one flight.
Bojo is caving in to getting the economy back up and running fully. How poor a decision that is we shall see in time. It has caused big problems in the USA though.
I think they needed to explore every avenue to helping the economy without fully opening it up face to face, so to speak, too soon. Again, time will tell. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 06:56 - Aug 17 with 1348 views | Scotia |
I'm not talking about the facts you have obtained. But the way you have interpreted them and put them on here is laughably stupid.
I'm not even certain you know why. Carry on digging your hole. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 08:15 - Aug 17 with 1317 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 06:56 - Aug 17 by Scotia |
I'm not talking about the facts you have obtained. But the way you have interpreted them and put them on here is laughably stupid.
I'm not even certain you know why. Carry on digging your hole. |
Facts are just that. It isnt me that has re written the Geography of England and has for example decided that Birmingham is in London or the North West of England. You have trued to make out only London or the North West has high figures. It isnt just these areas. It is spread throughout. The 3 big cities in the North East, 2 biggest Yorkshire cities, 3 biggest cities in the East Midlands, Birmingham and cities around it and Bristol and Southampton in the South.
Not all the places mentioned are large cities or have huge ethnic rates Kent being an example.
You made up the Maths figures saying 150,000 extra tests. There will always be more tests in England due to its larger population. It is nearly 20 times bigger than Wales. The reality is that based on population size the testing in England is not vastly different to Wales. England currently has a much bigger problem and has targeted testing in areas with high rates just like Wales did when they tested everyone in factories when there were outbreaks in Angelsey, Wrexham, Merthyr Tydfil and Ebbw Vale. The actual difference in the testing rate would have led to a few cases had it been done proportionately.
There is absolutely no point just random testing more. If there are no cases then that is the fact. Look at those testing figures for Swansea. Loads of tests produced no positive results. Just doing more and getting the same result would be absolutely pointless. Testing where someone believes they might have it or in areas where there are known large positive cases makes sense but random testing is totally pointless. It simply isnt feasible to test 3 million people in Wales or 55 million in England on a daily basis which is what is needed to check actual cases as people might not show one day but could be positive the next.
Part of the problem was in the early days the governments in both England and Wales didnt test and told people just to stay home like they do with the flu so an accurate amount was impossible. We are not in that position now. Everyone who needs a test is getting one.
Your hatred of Mark Drakeford cannot alter the fact that despite coming from a far worse position early in the pandemic the figures show that Wales currently has approximately 1/3 the number of cases England has.
It also a fact that on several occasions recently there has been higher figures in the UK than there was in July and that Johnson has decided to allow things like Casinos to reopen with the virus rate higher than when he decided not to go ahead because it wasnt deemed safe.
The evidence is exactly that and is what I use not your fictional figures or redrawn up maps. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 08:48 - Aug 17 with 1308 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 08:15 - Aug 17 by exhmrc1 |
Facts are just that. It isnt me that has re written the Geography of England and has for example decided that Birmingham is in London or the North West of England. You have trued to make out only London or the North West has high figures. It isnt just these areas. It is spread throughout. The 3 big cities in the North East, 2 biggest Yorkshire cities, 3 biggest cities in the East Midlands, Birmingham and cities around it and Bristol and Southampton in the South.
Not all the places mentioned are large cities or have huge ethnic rates Kent being an example.
You made up the Maths figures saying 150,000 extra tests. There will always be more tests in England due to its larger population. It is nearly 20 times bigger than Wales. The reality is that based on population size the testing in England is not vastly different to Wales. England currently has a much bigger problem and has targeted testing in areas with high rates just like Wales did when they tested everyone in factories when there were outbreaks in Angelsey, Wrexham, Merthyr Tydfil and Ebbw Vale. The actual difference in the testing rate would have led to a few cases had it been done proportionately.
There is absolutely no point just random testing more. If there are no cases then that is the fact. Look at those testing figures for Swansea. Loads of tests produced no positive results. Just doing more and getting the same result would be absolutely pointless. Testing where someone believes they might have it or in areas where there are known large positive cases makes sense but random testing is totally pointless. It simply isnt feasible to test 3 million people in Wales or 55 million in England on a daily basis which is what is needed to check actual cases as people might not show one day but could be positive the next.
Part of the problem was in the early days the governments in both England and Wales didnt test and told people just to stay home like they do with the flu so an accurate amount was impossible. We are not in that position now. Everyone who needs a test is getting one.
Your hatred of Mark Drakeford cannot alter the fact that despite coming from a far worse position early in the pandemic the figures show that Wales currently has approximately 1/3 the number of cases England has.
It also a fact that on several occasions recently there has been higher figures in the UK than there was in July and that Johnson has decided to allow things like Casinos to reopen with the virus rate higher than when he decided not to go ahead because it wasnt deemed safe.
The evidence is exactly that and is what I use not your fictional figures or redrawn up maps. |
I went to Uni in Birmingham and have lived in London. I think I know where they are. In fact I'm pretty certain that Kent borders Greater London and I'm pretty certain many people who live in Kent work in London.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing
Feel free to check the above link to see where I'm getting my fictional figures from - if you don't want to it shows England undertake about 145000 tests a day than Wales at the moment. Proportionality doesn't matter really but that would still be about 8000 a day if you divided extra tests by population. Wales very rarely tests more than 6000 people.
The more you test the more you find.
The proportion of positive tests are important when it comes to numbers - Wales is about 1.5% and England 0.6%.
I don't doubt for a moment there is more virus in circulation in England, there is bound to be for reasons discussed numerous times, but there hasn't been an uncontrolled outbreak. We have to live with the virus for the forseeable future and the UK as a whole seems to be doing so. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:13 - Aug 17 with 1294 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 08:48 - Aug 17 by Scotia |
I went to Uni in Birmingham and have lived in London. I think I know where they are. In fact I'm pretty certain that Kent borders Greater London and I'm pretty certain many people who live in Kent work in London.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing
Feel free to check the above link to see where I'm getting my fictional figures from - if you don't want to it shows England undertake about 145000 tests a day than Wales at the moment. Proportionality doesn't matter really but that would still be about 8000 a day if you divided extra tests by population. Wales very rarely tests more than 6000 people.
The more you test the more you find.
The proportion of positive tests are important when it comes to numbers - Wales is about 1.5% and England 0.6%.
I don't doubt for a moment there is more virus in circulation in England, there is bound to be for reasons discussed numerous times, but there hasn't been an uncontrolled outbreak. We have to live with the virus for the forseeable future and the UK as a whole seems to be doing so. |
Of course there are 145000 more but you can only say that there are 52 million people living there so that figure is meaningless. The reason for the increase in positivity is because the testing has been targeted in Wales. The factories where everyone was tested. There were over 300 cases in a factory in Wrexham out of 1500 employees 1/5 of the workforce. Over 200 out of the workforce in Angelsey of 1000 1/5 and testing in care homes where a large proportion of the cases have been found. All leads to a a higher rate of positive tests. It is just a fact that the higher positive rate just shows that Wales has been more successful in finding cases than England but the reasons above do account largely for that.
As you went to Birmingham you were no doubt aware that Birmingham, Coventry, Wolverhampton, Walsall and Dudley form a large part of the West Midlands yet you chose to ignore the problems there and made out the only problems were in the North West and London when the figures clearly show that the North East, West and East Midlands all have huge problems as well so in future make sure you post accurate facts instead of knowingly falsifying the position. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 10:04 - Aug 17 with 1278 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:13 - Aug 17 by exhmrc1 |
Of course there are 145000 more but you can only say that there are 52 million people living there so that figure is meaningless. The reason for the increase in positivity is because the testing has been targeted in Wales. The factories where everyone was tested. There were over 300 cases in a factory in Wrexham out of 1500 employees 1/5 of the workforce. Over 200 out of the workforce in Angelsey of 1000 1/5 and testing in care homes where a large proportion of the cases have been found. All leads to a a higher rate of positive tests. It is just a fact that the higher positive rate just shows that Wales has been more successful in finding cases than England but the reasons above do account largely for that.
As you went to Birmingham you were no doubt aware that Birmingham, Coventry, Wolverhampton, Walsall and Dudley form a large part of the West Midlands yet you chose to ignore the problems there and made out the only problems were in the North West and London when the figures clearly show that the North East, West and East Midlands all have huge problems as well so in future make sure you post accurate facts instead of knowingly falsifying the position. |
Of course it isn't meaningless - more tests find more cases. Irrespective of how many people live somewhere. The testing is targeted in England too - that means the lower proportion of positive tests indicates the virus isn't widespread in the community. At the peak the proportion was around 10% in far fewer tests.
I made out the only "problems" were in the North West becasue the only "problems" are in the North West, hence local restrictions. A higher level of infections isn't necessariliy a problem as long as cases don't increase exponentially and they aren't doing this as indicated by such a low proportion of positive results. I absolutely expect other areas to become "problems" as has been seen in Aberdeen.
We have to get the economy moving as best as we can, we are in the biggest recession in history. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:16 - Aug 17 with 1228 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:35 - Aug 16 by exhmrc1 |
I have actually picked the areas of England and Wales with over 10 cases per 100,000 and subsequently others down to 6 leaving out places in the North West and London. What the figures do show is the high numbers of cases in most parts of England. We have already agreed the area in the North West around Manchester but the figures also show high rates in the very North West Cumbria. The North East Newcastle. Middlesborough and Sunderland. Yorkshire including Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield and Wakefield. The East midlands Derby, Nottingham and Leicester. The West Midlands Coventry, Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Dudley and Telford. The East of England including Luton and Perterborough. The shire counties including Northamptonshire, Leicestershire, Oxfordshire and Berkshire and the West of England including Bristol and Swindon. All of these have double the average Welsh rate and higher than every other Welsh local authority besides Wrexham. You could also include areas in and around the North West Liverpool, Blackpool and Cheshire.
There are no doubt a few areas in England which have low figures just as there are in Wales but the fact remains the AVERAGE rate in England is double that in England and isnt just because of the Manchester and London areas. This isnt cherry picking it is fact. Just because it doesnt suit your agenda doesnt make it wrong. |
Wrong
Infection rate in Wales per 100,000 is 557
Infections rate in England per 100,000 is 490
Only two regions north west 682 and North East 580 are above the Welsh average.
London, South East, East of England, and even East Midlands 520 are all below the Welsh average. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:19 - Aug 17 with 1226 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:15 - Aug 16 by Scotia |
Seriously what are you talking about?
The number of tests is the number of tests. Proportionality doesn't matter. The more you test the more you find.
In June when we were seeing in excess of 1000 cases a day there were tens of thousands less tests.
Oh, and you still haven't said how England "fiddled" their updated death figures |
England are now using the same death rates methods as NI, Scotland and Wales have used to fiddle their low rates.
Now all four nations are using the same methods. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:21 - Aug 17 with 1224 views | felixstowe_jack |
Yes glad you are using the figures that prove Wales' infection rate is higher than England. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:16 - Aug 17 with 1207 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:16 - Aug 17 by felixstowe_jack |
Wrong
Infection rate in Wales per 100,000 is 557
Infections rate in England per 100,000 is 490
Only two regions north west 682 and North East 580 are above the Welsh average.
London, South East, East of England, and even East Midlands 520 are all below the Welsh average. |
So ......you are suggesting that England who locked down late and opened up too early, and has large vulnerable groups In big cities .... has lower rates than Wales ... who locked down longer and has less cities and less large vulnerable groups ...
Yep, makes perfect sense to me ..... 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |  |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:58 - Aug 17 with 1201 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:16 - Aug 17 by Kilkennyjack |
So ......you are suggesting that England who locked down late and opened up too early, and has large vulnerable groups In big cities .... has lower rates than Wales ... who locked down longer and has less cities and less large vulnerable groups ...
Yep, makes perfect sense to me ..... 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases
It's fact. Highest infections and second highest death rate. Are you still championing Prof Drakeford? | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 10:03 - Aug 18 with 1155 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:16 - Aug 17 by Kilkennyjack |
So ......you are suggesting that England who locked down late and opened up too early, and has large vulnerable groups In big cities .... has lower rates than Wales ... who locked down longer and has less cities and less large vulnerable groups ...
Yep, makes perfect sense to me ..... 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |
Glad you agree that Wales has a worse infection rate than England.
Lockdown in England started at the same time as Wales. Hard to understand how Wales has such a high infection rate given the outbreak started in London. | |
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