| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? 12:17 - Jun 2 with 8915 views | Swandefaidest |
Hard to understand why Andrew Godden as Chairman and Stewart McDonald as Supporter Rep both walked away from their Trust roles in July 2021? This was when the Trust was, according to their message last June, on the brink of taking legal action and things would soon start to move quickly. The decision facing the Trust board was probably the biggest decision of the Trust existence, after the non-decisions in 2015/16 before and after the club was sold. Them walking away at that moment is hard to understand as leaders don't walk away at critically important moments without good reasons?
Maybe they didn’t have the stomach to be part of taking legal action when things were obviously going to get rough and destabilise the club? Once legal action started, the perks of being Trust officers like Directors Box access on matchdays would surely have ended.
Maybe they knew that the legal case was flawed and not supported by the rest of the Board, and wanted to get out of dodge and blame the remaining board whilst trying to preserve their own reputations and legacies? (interestingly we are now told the Trust did not have funding and insurance properly lined up last summer).
Maybe they didn’t want to spend more personal time on the Trust? This is understandable, but seems unlikely for Andrew Godden as he has since spent hundreds of hours writing essays and continuously slating Dave Dalton and the people who did have the courage to carry on and finally deal with this 6 year long debacle. Stewart McDonald has been as publically silent since leaving the board as he was when Supporter Rep, so no clues there.
Maybe they have some personal issues to deal with - in which case I am sorry for them and wish them well. This is hard to see in the case of Andrew Godden as you would normally expect this to lead to an injection of empathy rather than what looks like an obsession with criticising everything the current Trust board does, giving and stirring up abuse with his own version of events, and acting as if he is still chairman from the peanut gallery. If this is the situation for either of them lets hope they can get any help and professional support they need.
All hard to understand but hey ho. |  | | |  |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 12:29 - Jun 2 with 3475 views | Chief |
If you really want to know and have the stomach as them personally, former members of the trust board are regular posters on the planet swans forum and I believe Andrew Godden is easily found on twitter. |  |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 13:50 - Jun 2 with 3409 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
The Trust is a democratic organisation and the members are entirely to blame for the time and money wasted on the legal case. Even now few if any will come on here and say "we were wrong". |  |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 18:58 - Jun 2 with 3323 views | Chief |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 13:50 - Jun 2 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The Trust is a democratic organisation and the members are entirely to blame for the time and money wasted on the legal case. Even now few if any will come on here and say "we were wrong". |
It evidently is not a democratic organisation anymore. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:21 - Jun 2 with 3303 views | waynekerr55 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 13:50 - Jun 2 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The Trust is a democratic organisation and the members are entirely to blame for the time and money wasted on the legal case. Even now few if any will come on here and say "we were wrong". |
You mean the time and money your mates ponied up to keep the current iteration schtum. Even now, when they've got away with it you still choose to rub people's faces in the shît. The sun is out, go and have a pint and enjoy instead of acting as their Chemical Ali (again) |  |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:34 - Jun 2 with 3281 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 18:58 - Jun 2 by Chief |
It evidently is not a democratic organisation anymore. |
Giving the members what they wanted was not feasible. The members were irresponsible in my opinion. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:53 - Jun 2 with 3265 views | Whiterockin |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:34 - Jun 2 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Giving the members what they wanted was not feasible. The members were irresponsible in my opinion. |
You ask a question and get an answer not necessarily what you expected/wanted nothing irresponsible there. |  | | |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:29 - Jun 2 with 3226 views | Chief |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:34 - Jun 2 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Giving the members what they wanted was not feasible. The members were irresponsible in my opinion. |
That's entirely different to what you said. Because the membership wanted to do something different to your warped, biased mind, doesn't mean the board should have overridden their democratically chosen course of action. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 22:18 - Jun 2 with 3153 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:29 - Jun 2 by Chief |
That's entirely different to what you said. Because the membership wanted to do something different to your warped, biased mind, doesn't mean the board should have overridden their democratically chosen course of action. |
I argued against this madness in 2016 and got pelters for it. Others stayed away for an easy life free from abuse and look what happens. English lawyers financiers walk away with £400,000 of members money. 40,000 membership fees. or 40 year of subscriptions.
This thread just shows it. 'Chemical Ali' is a new one. The 1000 members were brave and strong but I suspect none brave enough to stand up in court and fight the good fight when push came to shove. [Post edited 2 Jun 2022 22:22]
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 22:29 - Jun 2 with 3138 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:53 - Jun 2 by Whiterockin |
You ask a question and get an answer not necessarily what you expected/wanted nothing irresponsible there. |
The members w voted for legal action which the Trust could not finance. This meant borrowing money or fancy financing deals. For a not for profit organisation this gamble was irresponsible in my opinion. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 23:42 - Jun 2 with 3112 views | Chief |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 22:18 - Jun 2 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I argued against this madness in 2016 and got pelters for it. Others stayed away for an easy life free from abuse and look what happens. English lawyers financiers walk away with £400,000 of members money. 40,000 membership fees. or 40 year of subscriptions.
This thread just shows it. 'Chemical Ali' is a new one. The 1000 members were brave and strong but I suspect none brave enough to stand up in court and fight the good fight when push came to shove. [Post edited 2 Jun 2022 22:22]
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Irrelevant.
You're still contracting yourself. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 23:47 - Jun 2 with 3106 views | Chief |
So 'Swansdefaist' have you actually taken advice and taken your queries to where you've been told they can be answered by the ceffyls geg?
If so, why not post the responses here?
Or are you just going to dissipate back into the ether? Your username isn't a familiar one, demonstrate you're no bot, proxy or multiname. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 00:08 - Jun 3 with 3100 views | STID2017 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 23:47 - Jun 2 by Chief |
So 'Swansdefaist' have you actually taken advice and taken your queries to where you've been told they can be answered by the ceffyls geg?
If so, why not post the responses here?
Or are you just going to dissipate back into the ether? Your username isn't a familiar one, demonstrate you're no bot, proxy or multiname. |
Stuart is often to be seen at away games and in the East Stand on match days.
As many will no doubt vouch for, he is usually happy to have a sensible discussion with any fans, but obviously maybe legally restricted in what he can divulge.
However he does not strike me as one who would have done anything that wasn't in the best interests of the Trust at the time. |  |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 00:12 - Jun 3 with 3098 views | Chief |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 00:08 - Jun 3 by STID2017 |
Stuart is often to be seen at away games and in the East Stand on match days.
As many will no doubt vouch for, he is usually happy to have a sensible discussion with any fans, but obviously maybe legally restricted in what he can divulge.
However he does not strike me as one who would have done anything that wasn't in the best interests of the Trust at the time. |
Who is this 'Stuart' you speak of? And what relevance does he have to this thread? | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 00:43 - Jun 3 with 3079 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 23:42 - Jun 2 by Chief |
Irrelevant.
You're still contracting yourself. |
£400,000 is irrelevant? I have been consistent since 2016. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 00:52 - Jun 3 with 3078 views | Chief |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 00:43 - Jun 3 by ReslovenSwan1 |
£400,000 is irrelevant? I have been consistent since 2016. |
You proclaiming it's a democratic organisation then lauding how it defied manifested members is a blatent inconsistency on your behalf within a few hours of today itself.
Let alone the last 6 of years of your propaganda twisting. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 01:02 - Jun 3 with 3074 views | STID2017 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 00:12 - Jun 3 by Chief |
Who is this 'Stuart' you speak of? And what relevance does he have to this thread? |
The OP asked why Stuart ( McDonald ) walked away ...
That is who he is and that is why it is relevant.
If someone such has the OP questions his actions and in doing so his integrity, just pointing out he is still around the club as a regular supporter if the OP wished to have a cordial chat with him ? | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 01:31 - Jun 3 with 3061 views | Chief |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 01:02 - Jun 3 by STID2017 |
The OP asked why Stuart ( McDonald ) walked away ...
That is who he is and that is why it is relevant.
If someone such has the OP questions his actions and in doing so his integrity, just pointing out he is still around the club as a regular supporter if the OP wished to have a cordial chat with him ? |
Ah right yeah sorry wasn't having a go or anything just clarifying. I don't think Stu Mac has ever had much of a presence online (which as a supporters director of the trust in my opinion isn't ideal), so you make a good point.
Sorry I might have misunderstood your point but get it now. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 03:45 - Jun 3 with 3014 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Godden was against legal action wasn’t he? As was Phil let’s not forget, they both resigned when a deal looked off the table and legal action looked likely, one the first time the other the second.
Wasn’t he championing the awful deal first time round and wouldn’t listen to those who clearly saw things clearer than him? The old Trust board were pig ignorant and lacked any sort of foresight. They just enjoyed being involved and getting some camera time I think. Ability wise they were horrific and showed it time and time again.
I seem to remember him (Godden) throwing his toys out many times here in debates regarding taking a deal (effectively killing any future protection they could have over the club) and going the legal route which was explained to him very patiently why it was the better route (also explained by counsel, multiple times).
But it doesn’t matter now. They have destroyed the organisation from within and also destroyed any impact they can have on protecting the club as many of us warned they would do. No point in re-hashing it, they were a walking disaster from Day 1, destined to sleep walk into catastrophe - and didn’t they just… |  |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 07:10 - Jun 3 with 2986 views | STID2017 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 01:31 - Jun 3 by Chief |
Ah right yeah sorry wasn't having a go or anything just clarifying. I don't think Stu Mac has ever had much of a presence online (which as a supporters director of the trust in my opinion isn't ideal), so you make a good point.
Sorry I might have misunderstood your point but get it now. |
No problem Chief | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 09:38 - Jun 3 with 2902 views | 73__73 |
The people running the trust for the last ten years or so, were completely out of their depth.
I wouldn’t have them running a bath, let alone running an organisation that owns part of a professional football club. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 09:39 - Jun 3 with 2912 views | waynekerr55 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 09:38 - Jun 3 by 73__73 |
The people running the trust for the last ten years or so, were completely out of their depth.
I wouldn’t have them running a bath, let alone running an organisation that owns part of a professional football club. |
Aye that'll be it. Just people working at Blue Chip, finance and Legal that most people will never get to... | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 09:46 - Jun 3 with 2894 views | 73__73 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 09:39 - Jun 3 by waynekerr55 |
Aye that'll be it. Just people working at Blue Chip, finance and Legal that most people will never get to... |
I don’t care where they work. As the saying goes - The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
The trust is a shambolic mess and therefore the people running it should take responsibility instead of hiding. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 10:07 - Jun 3 with 2892 views | onehunglow |
Just when you thought we were looking forward we get this from a new username .
I was told the case was very sound and that the Lawyers believed we had a strong case. I got shredded for believing that the court action was a ludicrous proposal which would be nothing whatsoever for the club but it would a blood letting exercise for some.
We truly are a schizophrenic shower of clowns for fans.
We have lost our Premier League status without hardly a murmur and have spent the ensuing seasons bitching amongst ourselves rather than thrusting our anger into the faces of those who deserve it.
We needed a Trust apparently to protect the club.We need protection from each other,proven when the sale went through to the wrong sort of people by virtue of our very own director custodians stabbing each other in the backs.
It's all pathetic | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 13:37 - Jun 3 with 2797 views | Lorax |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 22:18 - Jun 2 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I argued against this madness in 2016 and got pelters for it. Others stayed away for an easy life free from abuse and look what happens. English lawyers financiers walk away with £400,000 of members money. 40,000 membership fees. or 40 year of subscriptions.
This thread just shows it. 'Chemical Ali' is a new one. The 1000 members were brave and strong but I suspect none brave enough to stand up in court and fight the good fight when push came to shove. [Post edited 2 Jun 2022 22:22]
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You keep on banging on about "English lawyers" why is that? Does it matter where the lawyers come from?
You seem to me to be another one who has a problem with the English. You certainly don't mind other nationalities.
Who is the OP? Is it a genuine new username or a new one for someone to keep attacking the trust with? [Post edited 3 Jun 2022 14:13]
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 13:53 - Jun 3 with 2785 views | onehunglow |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 13:37 - Jun 3 by Lorax |
You keep on banging on about "English lawyers" why is that? Does it matter where the lawyers come from?
You seem to me to be another one who has a problem with the English. You certainly don't mind other nationalities.
Who is the OP? Is it a genuine new username or a new one for someone to keep attacking the trust with? [Post edited 3 Jun 2022 14:13]
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Ive noted this myself | |
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