| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? 12:17 - Jun 2 with 8932 views | Swandefaidest |
Hard to understand why Andrew Godden as Chairman and Stewart McDonald as Supporter Rep both walked away from their Trust roles in July 2021? This was when the Trust was, according to their message last June, on the brink of taking legal action and things would soon start to move quickly. The decision facing the Trust board was probably the biggest decision of the Trust existence, after the non-decisions in 2015/16 before and after the club was sold. Them walking away at that moment is hard to understand as leaders don't walk away at critically important moments without good reasons?
Maybe they didn’t have the stomach to be part of taking legal action when things were obviously going to get rough and destabilise the club? Once legal action started, the perks of being Trust officers like Directors Box access on matchdays would surely have ended.
Maybe they knew that the legal case was flawed and not supported by the rest of the Board, and wanted to get out of dodge and blame the remaining board whilst trying to preserve their own reputations and legacies? (interestingly we are now told the Trust did not have funding and insurance properly lined up last summer).
Maybe they didn’t want to spend more personal time on the Trust? This is understandable, but seems unlikely for Andrew Godden as he has since spent hundreds of hours writing essays and continuously slating Dave Dalton and the people who did have the courage to carry on and finally deal with this 6 year long debacle. Stewart McDonald has been as publically silent since leaving the board as he was when Supporter Rep, so no clues there.
Maybe they have some personal issues to deal with - in which case I am sorry for them and wish them well. This is hard to see in the case of Andrew Godden as you would normally expect this to lead to an injection of empathy rather than what looks like an obsession with criticising everything the current Trust board does, giving and stirring up abuse with his own version of events, and acting as if he is still chairman from the peanut gallery. If this is the situation for either of them lets hope they can get any help and professional support they need.
All hard to understand but hey ho. |  | | |  |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 14:20 - Jun 3 with 1706 views | Lorax |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 13:53 - Jun 3 by onehunglow |
Ive noted this myself |
This is the usernames first and only post and "defaid" is a word linked to sheep identification.
Which poster has an issue with the trust and with sheep?
Hmmm, I'm probably very wrong but it just seems too coincidental. | | | |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 14:52 - Jun 3 with 1670 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 13:37 - Jun 3 by Lorax |
You keep on banging on about "English lawyers" why is that? Does it matter where the lawyers come from?
You seem to me to be another one who has a problem with the English. You certainly don't mind other nationalities.
Who is the OP? Is it a genuine new username or a new one for someone to keep attacking the trust with? [Post edited 3 Jun 2022 14:13]
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You might have spotted our owners are referred to as 'Yanks'. Welsh people are not so comfortable about the foreigners over the dyke being criticised or given a nickname like 'Saes'. It is the result of centuries of cap doffing just to get by.
It matters to me that is why i mention it. It should also matter to people who want the Trust to be a benevolent LOCAL concern. They are certainly benevolent to the ruling London elite. exactly the reverse of what was intended.
I usually refer to the legal people and funders as London public school people for effect. The leaders of the Trust paid them £400k which was very poor business. The members do not seem to bothered. They just do what they are told.
There will be a lot of doff capping this weekend over the Prince of Wales Bridge. (Hafren) |  |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 15:00 - Jun 3 with 1659 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 14:20 - Jun 3 by Lorax |
This is the usernames first and only post and "defaid" is a word linked to sheep identification.
Which poster has an issue with the trust and with sheep?
Hmmm, I'm probably very wrong but it just seems too coincidental. |
It is not me. My modus operandi is not to criticise any individual who I believe probably thought they were doing the best for the organisation.
Sheep slurs are racist. I unlike the club have a zero tolerance for these slurs. You might be amused but i know many outside the football bubble who are not. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 16:22 - Jun 3 with 1627 views | Wingstandwood |
The trust IMO should be reinvented to become a disabled supporter/charity fundraising/supporter welfare organisation. Something akin to a regimental association.
Regarding the day to day running of the club outside of disabled supporter relations that comes protected with disabled equality laws? The trust is irrelevant because it'll be ignored. The trust that I though it once was before the American sale is no longer there. |  |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 16:52 - Jun 3 with 1601 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 16:22 - Jun 3 by Wingstandwood |
The trust IMO should be reinvented to become a disabled supporter/charity fundraising/supporter welfare organisation. Something akin to a regimental association.
Regarding the day to day running of the club outside of disabled supporter relations that comes protected with disabled equality laws? The trust is irrelevant because it'll be ignored. The trust that I though it once was before the American sale is no longer there. |
I have recommended the commissioning of a study to determine how it operates and how it can make money to offset inflation. The Trust were notionally going to court to share £10m with its funders and £10m for itself. This was unethical.
I asked what are they going to do with the money? ( no idea)
How can they invest the money (they are not allowed to apparently? )
IF IT CAN INVEST it is like other institutions that can make profits every years and then be in a position to invest actively in the club and chosen charitable partners. For example it could now be investing in the Convertible Loan Note. The sky is the limit in this case.
IF IT CANNOT INVEST its assets will be eroded away year on year by 7% inflation. This sees an halving of their value in 10 years. Well run football clubs go up in value, cash declines in value. In this case they should follow your disabled supporter charity model and give away their profits. (It is a not for profit organisation)
It is important to recognise the Trust has operated in a two decade period of unprecedented historically low inflation. (This may now be over). They did not lose too much holding around £1m in cash getting negligible interest.
I would commission a consultant to investigate investment options given by the Model Rules which is written in legalese and even consider the option of converting to a more flexible not for profit vehicle if necessary. (This is allowed). | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 18:24 - Jun 3 with 1555 views | Lorax |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 14:52 - Jun 3 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You might have spotted our owners are referred to as 'Yanks'. Welsh people are not so comfortable about the foreigners over the dyke being criticised or given a nickname like 'Saes'. It is the result of centuries of cap doffing just to get by.
It matters to me that is why i mention it. It should also matter to people who want the Trust to be a benevolent LOCAL concern. They are certainly benevolent to the ruling London elite. exactly the reverse of what was intended.
I usually refer to the legal people and funders as London public school people for effect. The leaders of the Trust paid them £400k which was very poor business. The members do not seem to bothered. They just do what they are told.
There will be a lot of doff capping this weekend over the Prince of Wales Bridge. (Hafren) |
Some refer to them as Yanks but not all. I have seen you call them "English" something or other several times though and been disparaging with it.
The trust is a local concern no matter who is involved, when they use lawyers they should use the best they can afford. Where the lawyers are from is irrelevant. | | | |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 18:49 - Jun 3 with 1531 views | waynekerr55 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 09:46 - Jun 3 by 73__73 |
I don’t care where they work. As the saying goes - The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
The trust is a shambolic mess and therefore the people running it should take responsibility instead of hiding. |
Sorry, didn't make myself clear. I meant Dai, Phil, Andy G, Lisa, Dai Little et al.
The current bunch haven't done themselves any favours. |  |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:37 - Jun 3 with 1484 views | Chief |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 18:24 - Jun 3 by Lorax |
Some refer to them as Yanks but not all. I have seen you call them "English" something or other several times though and been disparaging with it.
The trust is a local concern no matter who is involved, when they use lawyers they should use the best they can afford. Where the lawyers are from is irrelevant. |
The hypocrisy is startling.
The trust using it's OWN FUNDS to engage professionals from England is bad apparently.
Winter / The Americans using the CLUB'S FUNDS to engage an Australian bank is great apparently.
If the trust engaged a financial consultant that Resloven's been banging on about, would they have to be Welsh too? What if a company from Belfast for example had more experience and expertise? |  |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:37 - Jun 3 with 1479 views | AndyCole |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 09:39 - Jun 3 by waynekerr55 |
Aye that'll be it. Just people working at Blue Chip, finance and Legal that most people will never get to... |
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Oh dear the delusional fanboy cheerleaders have popped in.
Your old pals messed up, massive. It's all there plain as day.
'Blue Chip, finance and legal' - your standards are way below expectation of proper fans with a proper understanding of proper top level finance and legal.
The Finance affiliate that failed - was a C/D-lister, at best. Check out her CV, and the way in which she conducted herself on the online fans forums - proper not top level material for the discerning eye.
The Comms fella - a nobody civil servant lackey unable to communicate like a grown up on fans forums. And he's still behaving online like a prepubescent wannabe.
I could go on.....however the gist is they all hecked up because they're C/D-listers at best.
And worse still, these C/D-listers pretended to be otherwise for the meek cheerleaders who to this day are still cheering for them, haplessly, pathetically. Sad. As heck. In so many ways. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:40 - Jun 3 with 1483 views | Chief |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:37 - Jun 3 by AndyCole |
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Oh dear the delusional fanboy cheerleaders have popped in.
Your old pals messed up, massive. It's all there plain as day.
'Blue Chip, finance and legal' - your standards are way below expectation of proper fans with a proper understanding of proper top level finance and legal.
The Finance affiliate that failed - was a C/D-lister, at best. Check out her CV, and the way in which she conducted herself on the online fans forums - proper not top level material for the discerning eye.
The Comms fella - a nobody civil servant lackey unable to communicate like a grown up on fans forums. And he's still behaving online like a prepubescent wannabe.
I could go on.....however the gist is they all hecked up because they're C/D-listers at best.
And worse still, these C/D-listers pretended to be otherwise for the meek cheerleaders who to this day are still cheering for them, haplessly, pathetically. Sad. As heck. In so many ways. |
Did you miss a dot at the end? | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:52 - Jun 3 with 1468 views | AndyCole |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:40 - Jun 3 by Chief |
Did you miss a dot at the end? |
No thoughts on the actual grown up content which shines the light brightly on the shoddy, relatively beyond amateurish (I'm being kind), motely crew who failed. Failed the fans, the proper fans ?
Thought not - you're agenda is beyond transparent, cheerleader #2, extraordinaire.
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:59 - Jun 3 with 1466 views | Chief |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:52 - Jun 3 by AndyCole |
No thoughts on the actual grown up content which shines the light brightly on the shoddy, relatively beyond amateurish (I'm being kind), motely crew who failed. Failed the fans, the proper fans ?
Thought not - you're agenda is beyond transparent, cheerleader #2, extraordinaire.
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No dot at the start? You're terribly inconsistent these days. Letting yourselves down. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:11 - Jun 3 with 1457 views | waynekerr55 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:37 - Jun 3 by AndyCole |
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Oh dear the delusional fanboy cheerleaders have popped in.
Your old pals messed up, massive. It's all there plain as day.
'Blue Chip, finance and legal' - your standards are way below expectation of proper fans with a proper understanding of proper top level finance and legal.
The Finance affiliate that failed - was a C/D-lister, at best. Check out her CV, and the way in which she conducted herself on the online fans forums - proper not top level material for the discerning eye.
The Comms fella - a nobody civil servant lackey unable to communicate like a grown up on fans forums. And he's still behaving online like a prepubescent wannabe.
I could go on.....however the gist is they all hecked up because they're C/D-listers at best.
And worse still, these C/D-listers pretended to be otherwise for the meek cheerleaders who to this day are still cheering for them, haplessly, pathetically. Sad. As heck. In so many ways. |
Aye, that'll be it.
Focus on who really let us down (and their courtiers who parroted their lines whilst pretending to be journalists). | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 09:14 - Jun 4 with 1286 views | BillyChong |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:11 - Jun 3 by waynekerr55 |
Aye, that'll be it.
Focus on who really let us down (and their courtiers who parroted their lines whilst pretending to be journalists). |
Indeed. The Trust may have made mistakes when going to members vote the first time around, but they only found themselves in that position due to the snide sellouts.
Whilst on the topic of investment, have the Americans put any of their own money in to the club? We are now £23m in debt, paying Aussie firms to obtain transfer fees earlier, paying interest on CLN’s - next level indeed.
The recent Swiss Ramble analysis was an interesting read and it looks as though the interest due to Silverstein is being added to the debt. | | | |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 09:20 - Jun 4 with 1273 views | 73__73 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 18:49 - Jun 3 by waynekerr55 |
Sorry, didn't make myself clear. I meant Dai, Phil, Andy G, Lisa, Dai Little et al.
The current bunch haven't done themselves any favours. |
The trust rode on the back of the clubs rise from the lower divisions to the PL.
The first bit of turbulence that came their way, they failed, culminating with their failed legal action against the club. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 09:31 - Jun 4 with 1264 views | 73__73 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 15:00 - Jun 3 by ReslovenSwan1 |
It is not me. My modus operandi is not to criticise any individual who I believe probably thought they were doing the best for the organisation.
Sheep slurs are racist. I unlike the club have a zero tolerance for these slurs. You might be amused but i know many outside the football bubble who are not. |
Speak for yourself. I’m proud to be a 👠sh@gger.......baaa | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 10:14 - Jun 4 with 1256 views | waynekerr55 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 09:20 - Jun 4 by 73__73 |
The trust rode on the back of the clubs rise from the lower divisions to the PL.
The first bit of turbulence that came their way, they failed, culminating with their failed legal action against the club. |
Well the facts are as follows
- Trust make themselves a fly in the sale ointment
- Owners past and present collude to shaft them, aided and abetted by Vincent and Wathan
- Deal is struck, Americans renege
- Gets to point of no return, legal action good to go
- Key personnel leave, new board join and well meaning amateurs drop the ball | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 17:02 - Jun 4 with 1113 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 09:31 - Jun 4 by 73__73 |
Speak for yourself. I’m proud to be a 👠sh@gger.......baaa |
What you do in you own bedroom is your own business. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 17:27 - Jun 4 with 1101 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 09:14 - Jun 4 by BillyChong |
Indeed. The Trust may have made mistakes when going to members vote the first time around, but they only found themselves in that position due to the snide sellouts.
Whilst on the topic of investment, have the Americans put any of their own money in to the club? We are now £23m in debt, paying Aussie firms to obtain transfer fees earlier, paying interest on CLN’s - next level indeed.
The recent Swiss Ramble analysis was an interesting read and it looks as though the interest due to Silverstein is being added to the debt. |
Yes the US people and possibly the 'sellouts' have put in upto £13m. It is registered i as a debt but will not be a debt once it is converted into shares. You seem to be struggling with this simple concept.
The Trust have taken out £500k either directly from the club, directly from the loan or from some or all of the other directors. The Trust know where from but are bounded by confidentiality rules. I assume the money is therefore from the CLUB. (speculation). If it was from the Directors they would say so.
The Aussie banking firm was capital to run the club while awaiting down payment of sold players like Joe Rodon. It is simple financial management. Money goes out monthly but come in in big lump sums.
Once the loan is converted the club will be £10m in debt, cleared at a stoke by selling Piroe Obafemi or Downes.
The interest due to Silverstein will not necessarily be added to the debt. It could simply be used to buy new shares. The cost will be paid by dilution of the Trust. This day was ALWAYS COMING but they had not prepared for it. That is their problem.
In their history they have put in £200,000 and taken out £400,000 in dividends and now this £500,000 also probably from the club. They present themselves as being good for the club but i can see little evidence of this. Over the last 6 years they have wasted a lot of time and money for nothing other than paying the London ruling elite. The biggest benefactors of the Trust are not local sporting charities but the English legal elite of the home counties. It a disgrace and the members should ashamed of them selves.
The Convertible loan note killed the case and killed the fake narrative of the US owners being asset strippers . It was never true. "Here is £13m of US money to keep the book straight and buy good players" are not words spoken by asset stripper. The £20m win in the court case would have been £10m for the Trust £10m for the funders and come partly from the club and the convertible loan note.
The Trust had to settle or go to court due to the 6 year rule parently. They were still not ready and still did not have funding for the entire case. SIX YEARS was not enough time. You and your chums were sold a pup. Take it on the chin like a man (or woman), You were wrong. [Post edited 4 Jun 2022 18:35]
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 18:31 - Jun 4 with 1068 views | AndyCole |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:11 - Jun 3 by waynekerr55 |
Aye, that'll be it.
Focus on who really let us down (and their courtiers who parroted their lines whilst pretending to be journalists). |
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Whooosh, yet again for you. There's a pattern. Has been for quite some time.
Take a moment, and reflect before you next post your predictably meek nonsense, on this, the proper fans forum. Even next door has raised the alert level for you.
Maybe do yet another cheapskate diy kitchen makeover to keep you off the grown ups forum(s). 'Aye'.
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:13 - Jun 4 with 1027 views | Chief |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 18:31 - Jun 4 by AndyCole |
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Whooosh, yet again for you. There's a pattern. Has been for quite some time.
Take a moment, and reflect before you next post your predictably meek nonsense, on this, the proper fans forum. Even next door has raised the alert level for you.
Maybe do yet another cheapskate diy kitchen makeover to keep you off the grown ups forum(s). 'Aye'.
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Dots both ends?
Will this be a continuing trend?
Or are you going to carry on the haphazard manner you have been? (inconsistent at best). | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:44 - Jun 4 with 1001 views | AndyCole |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:13 - Jun 4 by Chief |
Dots both ends?
Will this be a continuing trend?
Or are you going to carry on the haphazard manner you have been? (inconsistent at best). |
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C'mon Chief, if you want to play games, you lose with me, as per, as always.
Try focusing on content instead of style, for a change.
Your mob is being schooled nowadays, even by thick as mince blaine, of all people.
The old Trust board always were the joke wannabes they turned out to be. Failures, on a grand scale. And look at them them now, flailing on SM, here next door and everywhere.
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:55 - Jun 4 with 995 views | KeithHaynes |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 12:29 - Jun 2 by Chief |
If you really want to know and have the stomach as them personally, former members of the trust board are regular posters on the planet swans forum and I believe Andrew Godden is easily found on twitter. |
Interesting his name wasn’t mentioned in the article we did but he found offence anyway, Phil didn’t. However, he has now gone public on Twitter. So there he is, time is a great teller of of the truth. And now he has attacked this website again, gloves are literally off.
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:09 - Jun 4 with 975 views | Chief |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:55 - Jun 4 by KeithHaynes |
Interesting his name wasn’t mentioned in the article we did but he found offence anyway, Phil didn’t. However, he has now gone public on Twitter. So there he is, time is a great teller of of the truth. And now he has attacked this website again, gloves are literally off.
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But he is mentioned explicitly in the original post.... Which is what I referring too....
And it's pretty obvious now who you were referring to in any article you wrote, but deciding not not to name names...
Which we knew all along.
And all along my stance is the same. If you have an issue with anyone supposedly slandering this site or anything else this fine, take it up with them (this is now obvious after previously declined to name names leaving us guessing - clickbait in itself maybe!?)
Unfortunately you've been incapable of separating that from conduct on the trust. Which we know you've been duplicitous on because you have no bad words regarding Phil S despite him publically having a very similar viewpoint to Andy G.
So say it like it is - you've got a grudge against Andy Godden because you think he said something slanderous about this site.
And basically it's nothing to do with his trust role - otherwise you'd have had a pop at others too - but you didn't...... [Post edited 4 Jun 2022 20:12]
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