| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? 12:17 - Jun 2 with 9157 views | Swandefaidest |
Hard to understand why Andrew Godden as Chairman and Stewart McDonald as Supporter Rep both walked away from their Trust roles in July 2021? This was when the Trust was, according to their message last June, on the brink of taking legal action and things would soon start to move quickly. The decision facing the Trust board was probably the biggest decision of the Trust existence, after the non-decisions in 2015/16 before and after the club was sold. Them walking away at that moment is hard to understand as leaders don't walk away at critically important moments without good reasons?
Maybe they didn’t have the stomach to be part of taking legal action when things were obviously going to get rough and destabilise the club? Once legal action started, the perks of being Trust officers like Directors Box access on matchdays would surely have ended.
Maybe they knew that the legal case was flawed and not supported by the rest of the Board, and wanted to get out of dodge and blame the remaining board whilst trying to preserve their own reputations and legacies? (interestingly we are now told the Trust did not have funding and insurance properly lined up last summer).
Maybe they didn’t want to spend more personal time on the Trust? This is understandable, but seems unlikely for Andrew Godden as he has since spent hundreds of hours writing essays and continuously slating Dave Dalton and the people who did have the courage to carry on and finally deal with this 6 year long debacle. Stewart McDonald has been as publically silent since leaving the board as he was when Supporter Rep, so no clues there.
Maybe they have some personal issues to deal with - in which case I am sorry for them and wish them well. This is hard to see in the case of Andrew Godden as you would normally expect this to lead to an injection of empathy rather than what looks like an obsession with criticising everything the current Trust board does, giving and stirring up abuse with his own version of events, and acting as if he is still chairman from the peanut gallery. If this is the situation for either of them lets hope they can get any help and professional support they need.
All hard to understand but hey ho. |  | | |  |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:14 - Jun 4 with 1314 views | Treforys_Jack |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:09 - Jun 4 by Chief |
But he is mentioned explicitly in the original post.... Which is what I referring too....
And it's pretty obvious now who you were referring to in any article you wrote, but deciding not not to name names...
Which we knew all along.
And all along my stance is the same. If you have an issue with anyone supposedly slandering this site or anything else this fine, take it up with them (this is now obvious after previously declined to name names leaving us guessing - clickbait in itself maybe!?)
Unfortunately you've been incapable of separating that from conduct on the trust. Which we know you've been duplicitous on because you have no bad words regarding Phil S despite him publically having a very similar viewpoint to Andy G.
So say it like it is - you've got a grudge against Andy Godden because you think he said something slanderous about this site.
And basically it's nothing to do with his trust role - otherwise you'd have had a pop at others too - but you didn't...... [Post edited 4 Jun 2022 20:12]
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:15 - Jun 4 with 1307 views | Chief |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:14 - Jun 4 by Treforys_Jack |
Grabs popcorn 🿠|
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:16 - Jun 4 with 1306 views | waynekerr55 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 18:31 - Jun 4 by AndyCole |
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Whooosh, yet again for you. There's a pattern. Has been for quite some time.
Take a moment, and reflect before you next post your predictably meek nonsense, on this, the proper fans forum. Even next door has raised the alert level for you.
Maybe do yet another cheapskate diy kitchen makeover to keep you off the grown ups forum(s). 'Aye'.
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Cheapskate DIY kitchen 
Truth hurts hey pal. Play nicely now. |  |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:37 - Jun 4 with 1268 views | AndyCole |
Way out of your depth mwsh, as per.
Watch yer back, over b'there, cheerleader flunky.......
Whooosh.... | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:47 - Jun 4 with 1261 views | waynekerr55 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:37 - Jun 4 by AndyCole |
Way out of your depth mwsh, as per.
Watch yer back, over b'there, cheerleader flunky.......
Whooosh.... |
You ok, hun? Watch my back over what exactly? For presenting facts that are in the public domain? Have a beer/gin etc. and have a good one 👠| |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:48 - Jun 4 with 1261 views | Chief |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:37 - Jun 4 by AndyCole |
Way out of your depth mwsh, as per.
Watch yer back, over b'there, cheerleader flunky.......
Whooosh.... |
No dots at all now?
You've lost your composure. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:53 - Jun 4 with 1250 views | KeithHaynes |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 23:47 - Jun 2 by Chief |
So 'Swansdefaist' have you actually taken advice and taken your queries to where you've been told they can be answered by the ceffyls geg?
If so, why not post the responses here?
Or are you just going to dissipate back into the ether? Your username isn't a familiar one, demonstrate you're no bot, proxy or multiname. |
This username is not in any way connected to this website as moderators or the current trust.
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:59 - Jun 4 with 1233 views | Chief |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:53 - Jun 4 by KeithHaynes |
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How do you know that username isn't connected to the current trust then? | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 22:09 - Jun 4 with 1175 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 18:24 - Jun 3 by Lorax |
Some refer to them as Yanks but not all. I have seen you call them "English" something or other several times though and been disparaging with it.
The trust is a local concern no matter who is involved, when they use lawyers they should use the best they can afford. Where the lawyers are from is irrelevant. |
You are not referring simply to London lawyers doing a fair days work for a fair days pay. You are talking about lawyers / funders demanding 50% of every thing Huw Jenkins created for them. That was stratospheric 10.000% growth over 20 years.
The Trust radicals insanely were prepared to go along with paying them £10m. This equates to a million membership subscriptions or subscription income for 1000 years until 3022. The money would have come in part from the Convertible loan note (the club) in my opinion. Happily the promoters of this madness have gone. Ultimately the membership did not have the cahones to call a halt.
They had run out of time. 6 year was not enough, and the time for kicking the can down the road ended and it had to be binned. The fake narrative run out of legs. |  |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 22:34 - Jun 4 with 1141 views | Chief |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 22:09 - Jun 4 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You are not referring simply to London lawyers doing a fair days work for a fair days pay. You are talking about lawyers / funders demanding 50% of every thing Huw Jenkins created for them. That was stratospheric 10.000% growth over 20 years.
The Trust radicals insanely were prepared to go along with paying them £10m. This equates to a million membership subscriptions or subscription income for 1000 years until 3022. The money would have come in part from the Convertible loan note (the club) in my opinion. Happily the promoters of this madness have gone. Ultimately the membership did not have the cahones to call a halt.
They had run out of time. 6 year was not enough, and the time for kicking the can down the road ended and it had to be binned. The fake narrative run out of legs. |
*what the trust and the whole board created (individually for themselves by the way). The trust's shares gaining value was not some philanthropic gift by Jenkins. In fact, he'd have preferred if that didn't happen. Evidenced by the fact that he wasn't prepared to allow the trust an equal opportunity to monetise that value when the opportunity arose. You may argue that Jenkins deserved it more, yet the likes of Katzen and other background shareholders got their full fill. So don't try that one.
The rest is complete hearsay.
The CLN STILL hasn't been converted and there's mounting speculation the club might be sold or the Americans are putting it out to 'tender'. So I wouldn't go parroting that about as some sort of plus point just yet. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 01:15 - Jun 5 with 1101 views | KeithHaynes |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:59 - Jun 4 by Chief |
How do you know that username isn't connected to the current trust then? |
Obviously we can’t breach our own data protection guidelines, but I can say what it isn’t. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 09:23 - Jun 5 with 1019 views | waynekerr55 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 22:09 - Jun 4 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You are not referring simply to London lawyers doing a fair days work for a fair days pay. You are talking about lawyers / funders demanding 50% of every thing Huw Jenkins created for them. That was stratospheric 10.000% growth over 20 years.
The Trust radicals insanely were prepared to go along with paying them £10m. This equates to a million membership subscriptions or subscription income for 1000 years until 3022. The money would have come in part from the Convertible loan note (the club) in my opinion. Happily the promoters of this madness have gone. Ultimately the membership did not have the cahones to call a halt.
They had run out of time. 6 year was not enough, and the time for kicking the can down the road ended and it had to be binned. The fake narrative run out of legs. |
"Everything Huw Jenkins created for them"
You're definitely on a wind up now. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 10:21 - Jun 5 with 987 views | onehunglow |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 09:23 - Jun 5 by waynekerr55 |
"Everything Huw Jenkins created for them"
You're definitely on a wind up now. |
Maybe we should forget this dialogue and move forward,for once.
I made my position clear n the Trust.
Wayne is a good chum of mine and we disagree.
We are still good chums.
I wouldnt want to fight him nor steal his wife or kick his dog in the nuts nor even cast his puppy into the Canal.
Move the f on. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 12:02 - Jun 5 with 962 views | Treforys_Jack |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 09:23 - Jun 5 by waynekerr55 |
"Everything Huw Jenkins created for them"
You're definitely on a wind up now. |
He has a massive HJ fetish, it's quite scary how obsessive about the bloke he is. He gets confused then when posters (me especially) accuse him of being one of the sellouts or at least in their circle or payroll. | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 14:25 - Jun 5 with 921 views | waynekerr55 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 12:02 - Jun 5 by Treforys_Jack |
He has a massive HJ fetish, it's quite scary how obsessive about the bloke he is. He gets confused then when posters (me especially) accuse him of being one of the sellouts or at least in their circle or payroll. |
Jenkins was great when he left the experts in charge. Post - Laudrup he lost the plot and we will be paying for his excesses for the foreseeable future [Post edited 5 Jun 2022 16:22]
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 14:30 - Jun 5 with 917 views | Lorax |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 20:53 - Jun 4 by KeithHaynes |
This username is not in any way connected to this website as moderators or the current trust.
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OK, is it a second username for any existing member? | | | |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 16:12 - Jun 5 with 883 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 12:02 - Jun 5 by Treforys_Jack |
He has a massive HJ fetish, it's quite scary how obsessive about the bloke he is. He gets confused then when posters (me especially) accuse him of being one of the sellouts or at least in their circle or payroll. |
The abuse HJ gets is a major indictment on the morality of the Swansea fans. Primarily though the excellent leadership of HJ (who had 14 good seasons and one bad one) the Trust's £200k investment was worth a staggering £20m. They did not sell because the members had no incentive to sell as no one could profit. (It is a not for profit organisation). Money and personal gain is a driver to make things work.
The Trust did not sell because they did not want to sell in 2015 and 2016. It is the basic concept of selling that the seller wants to sell and the buyer wants to buy. In the case of 2017 both were questionable. I know they did not want to sell because they said so in 2015 and 2016. The statement are there for all to see. I will gladly produce the evidence on request.
The complaints after been left out of the sale are therefore crocodile tears and the narrative of being deceived did not stand up to examination. The efforts to make a case and get someone to take the risk failed after 6 years of effort. Even the QC who promoted the case gave only 60% chance of winning reportedly. Once that became known it should have been pulled immediately. Since when did the Trust become serial gamblers with an account at Paddy Power?
The new board correctly pulled the plug. In effect they had no choice as time had run out. There is little doubt that a winning court case for the SCST would have had serious consequences for the club. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 16:23 - Jun 5 with 875 views | waynekerr55 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 16:12 - Jun 5 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The abuse HJ gets is a major indictment on the morality of the Swansea fans. Primarily though the excellent leadership of HJ (who had 14 good seasons and one bad one) the Trust's £200k investment was worth a staggering £20m. They did not sell because the members had no incentive to sell as no one could profit. (It is a not for profit organisation). Money and personal gain is a driver to make things work.
The Trust did not sell because they did not want to sell in 2015 and 2016. It is the basic concept of selling that the seller wants to sell and the buyer wants to buy. In the case of 2017 both were questionable. I know they did not want to sell because they said so in 2015 and 2016. The statement are there for all to see. I will gladly produce the evidence on request.
The complaints after been left out of the sale are therefore crocodile tears and the narrative of being deceived did not stand up to examination. The efforts to make a case and get someone to take the risk failed after 6 years of effort. Even the QC who promoted the case gave only 60% chance of winning reportedly. Once that became known it should have been pulled immediately. Since when did the Trust become serial gamblers with an account at Paddy Power?
The new board correctly pulled the plug. In effect they had no choice as time had run out. There is little doubt that a winning court case for the SCST would have had serious consequences for the club. |
If the Trust didn't sell then why is there an email that is in the public domain saying they would?
More bovine flatulence from you yet again | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 16:33 - Jun 5 with 868 views | waynekerr55 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 16:12 - Jun 5 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The abuse HJ gets is a major indictment on the morality of the Swansea fans. Primarily though the excellent leadership of HJ (who had 14 good seasons and one bad one) the Trust's £200k investment was worth a staggering £20m. They did not sell because the members had no incentive to sell as no one could profit. (It is a not for profit organisation). Money and personal gain is a driver to make things work.
The Trust did not sell because they did not want to sell in 2015 and 2016. It is the basic concept of selling that the seller wants to sell and the buyer wants to buy. In the case of 2017 both were questionable. I know they did not want to sell because they said so in 2015 and 2016. The statement are there for all to see. I will gladly produce the evidence on request.
The complaints after been left out of the sale are therefore crocodile tears and the narrative of being deceived did not stand up to examination. The efforts to make a case and get someone to take the risk failed after 6 years of effort. Even the QC who promoted the case gave only 60% chance of winning reportedly. Once that became known it should have been pulled immediately. Since when did the Trust become serial gamblers with an account at Paddy Power?
The new board correctly pulled the plug. In effect they had no choice as time had run out. There is little doubt that a winning court case for the SCST would have had serious consequences for the club. |
Some points of order:
For all his faults, Dineen stumped up cash when he chaired the Trust. Forget the conflict of interest he stumped up the readies. So I don't see how Gonzo was the sole reason.
The reason Gonzo gets abuse is not for the sale, but how they did it.
Why do you defenestrate yourself like some low grade Lord Moylan/Nadine Dorries? [Post edited 5 Jun 2022 16:34]
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 16:34 - Jun 5 with 867 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 16:23 - Jun 5 by waynekerr55 |
If the Trust didn't sell then why is there an email that is in the public domain saying they would?
More bovine flatulence from you yet again |
Their shares were not put up for sale until 2017 (with a mandate). This met with opposition from members leading to two resignations.
The Trust said (having told every one they were not keen) stated that they were open to CONSIDERING an offer. This would have taken months.
You do not sell anything unless you are clear that you want to sell. It just the way it works. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 16:35 - Jun 5 with 864 views | waynekerr55 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 16:34 - Jun 5 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Their shares were not put up for sale until 2017 (with a mandate). This met with opposition from members leading to two resignations.
The Trust said (having told every one they were not keen) stated that they were open to CONSIDERING an offer. This would have taken months.
You do not sell anything unless you are clear that you want to sell. It just the way it works. |
Well thats bôllocks for a start as there's an email before the sale that asked to be involved. So if you're going to throw dates out there at least be over the detail. The Internet keeps receipts just in case you didn't realise... | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 16:39 - Jun 5 with 859 views | Lorax |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 16:34 - Jun 5 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Their shares were not put up for sale until 2017 (with a mandate). This met with opposition from members leading to two resignations.
The Trust said (having told every one they were not keen) stated that they were open to CONSIDERING an offer. This would have taken months.
You do not sell anything unless you are clear that you want to sell. It just the way it works. |
There is a vast difference between not wanting to sell and not being able to sell because you are deliberately kept out of the loop. This has been pointed out to you many times but you still refute it. This was why the trust were going to court, because the previous owners shafted them.
Being put up for sale and being willing to sell are also 2 completely different things. When the club was sold the trust had a right to know.
If myself and yourself owned a business and I decided to sell my share, you would have a right to know. | | | |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 18:04 - Jun 5 with 828 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 16:39 - Jun 5 by Lorax |
There is a vast difference between not wanting to sell and not being able to sell because you are deliberately kept out of the loop. This has been pointed out to you many times but you still refute it. This was why the trust were going to court, because the previous owners shafted them.
Being put up for sale and being willing to sell are also 2 completely different things. When the club was sold the trust had a right to know.
If myself and yourself owned a business and I decided to sell my share, you would have a right to know. |
They were able to sell but had not done any preparatory work after the 2015 offer. They had no mandate. If they were serious they would have consulted their members in the event of another offer. Instead they said. "our shares will never be for sales and we have notified the other owners".
Fair enough it is a valid position. It was never contested by one single member out of over 1000. The US people checked with them in March 2016 and got no indication they wanted o sell so they went ahead 4 months later. (late July). No court case happened it all seems to stack up. Not sure what all the bitterness is about. | |
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| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 19:27 - Jun 5 with 804 views | waynekerr55 |
| What happened at the Trust in July 2021? on 18:04 - Jun 5 by ReslovenSwan1 |
They were able to sell but had not done any preparatory work after the 2015 offer. They had no mandate. If they were serious they would have consulted their members in the event of another offer. Instead they said. "our shares will never be for sales and we have notified the other owners".
Fair enough it is a valid position. It was never contested by one single member out of over 1000. The US people checked with them in March 2016 and got no indication they wanted o sell so they went ahead 4 months later. (late July). No court case happened it all seems to stack up. Not sure what all the bitterness is about. |
Balderdash. | |
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