| This is Brexit on 22:32 - Mar 30 with 2544 views | grumpy |
| This is Brexit on 19:54 - Mar 30 by Bazza |
Never mind, think of all the millions saved by no longer contributing to the failing EU political project 😇 [Post edited 30 Mar 2021 19:55]
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Perhaps you would be better waiting to see what our political project looks like before deriding the EUs. |  | |  |
| This is Brexit on 23:20 - Mar 30 with 2516 views | grumpy |
| This is Brexit on 18:07 - Mar 26 by Berber |
I see that now von Leyen is stating that the EU has exported over 70m doses of vaccine - which is true. But to go on and compare that to what others have exported is spurious. For one thing, the companies making the vaccines in Belgium and Netherlands are multinational organisations operating to normal commercial contracts, and are not "owned" by either the EU or by any of the member countries. The vaccine producers operating in Belgium and The Netherlands have almost certainly been enticed to set up there with favourable investment terms or tax breaks for either the companies or their overseas executives. It has been going on for decades, and has only changed in form, not principle as the laws have tightened to prevent the distorted competition environment that this creates. Hence the Belgian and Netherlands governments being reluctant to agree export blockades, because it blows holes in their selfish economic strategies and the promises and agreements made with these commercial enterprises.
Much the same as Eire still gives 10% corporate tax rates to the multinationals that set up in its remote areas to bring unemployment to the poorer regions, and selling products mainly into the UK for the UK market.
The French Foreign Minister mouthing off about "We will not let the UK blackmail us regarding their need for second doses." is typical Franco windbaggery. How is it possible for the UK to blackmail them on this? The EU used to be the global leading proponent of free trade. What a farce their administrative bungling has led them into. Blocking the use of vaccines that they claim they desperately need, France first banning the use of the AZ vaccine for over 65s, then reversing that so that it can only be used for over 65s, all based on unsubstantiated rumours. Meanwhile, EU wide, they still haven't used the stocks of AZ vaccine issued to them, yet claiming that it is the suppliers fault that their bungled vaccination programmes are so feeble.
Von Leyen stating that AZ must first honour its contracts to the EU before further exports are allowed is a blatant denial of the contract they made that only requires AZ to use best efforts for the first 120m that were targeted for Q1 2021. If the EU negotiators were not so useless as to agree a contract that precludes them suing AZ over this matter, it would easily be proven in court that they don't have a leg to stand on.
This political idiocy is going to lead them into confrontations that are legally untenable (though they will claim political victories) whilst the unelected officials that are in charge continue to take their eye watering salaries and expense allowances, pointing the blame everywhere except at themselves, and the citizens of EU members will continue to die from Covid19 infections. It is a disgrace.
Incidentally, the "selfish" UK has committed four times the amount of cash to the Covaid initiative as the entire EU block. No doubt the French will see that as further proof of our wish to deny them a fair share of the vaccines.
Is it just me?
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'UK has committed four times the amount of cash to the Covaid initiative as the entire EU block'
Do tell me how you know that? | | | |
| This is Brexit on 07:37 - Mar 31 with 2457 views | Berber |
I never mentioned Test, Track and Trace, nor am I much interested, but do you know how much other countries have spent, and how successful they have been relatively? I'd be interested to see. There is no doubt that it has not been a resounding success anywhere in Western Europe given the third wave that is sweeping the continent. |  |
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| This is Brexit on 07:52 - Mar 31 with 2447 views | SalisburySaint |
| This is Brexit on 07:37 - Mar 31 by Berber |
I never mentioned Test, Track and Trace, nor am I much interested, but do you know how much other countries have spent, and how successful they have been relatively? I'd be interested to see. There is no doubt that it has not been a resounding success anywhere in Western Europe given the third wave that is sweeping the continent. |
but surely testy and Trace, is part Covaid initiative, as is the money thrown down the drain on not suitable PPE equipment.
This money has thrown money at Covid, much in an inappropriate manner, but way too much wasted, and costing far to much without the appropriate procurement, eg. PPE contract given to a pub owner
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8989427/Matt-Hancocks-neighbour-no-expe
so just saying we spent more money isn't the whole story, a lucky few have made £M's out of the situation, and this country has wasted £B's in the process
still the BBC article you refer to, but not included in your posts may explain things, have you got a link ? [Post edited 31 Mar 2021 7:55]
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| This is Brexit on 09:27 - Mar 31 with 2400 views | DorsetIan |
| This is Brexit on 07:52 - Mar 31 by SalisburySaint |
but surely testy and Trace, is part Covaid initiative, as is the money thrown down the drain on not suitable PPE equipment.
This money has thrown money at Covid, much in an inappropriate manner, but way too much wasted, and costing far to much without the appropriate procurement, eg. PPE contract given to a pub owner
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8989427/Matt-Hancocks-neighbour-no-expe
so just saying we spent more money isn't the whole story, a lucky few have made £M's out of the situation, and this country has wasted £B's in the process
still the BBC article you refer to, but not included in your posts may explain things, have you got a link ? [Post edited 31 Mar 2021 7:55]
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'A lucky few', many of whom happen to be pals of government ministers etc. Not saying it's deliberate enrichment, but as happy coincidences go, this is a nice one. |  |
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| This is Brexit on 10:36 - Mar 31 with 2387 views | Bazza |
| This is Brexit on 07:52 - Mar 31 by SalisburySaint |
but surely testy and Trace, is part Covaid initiative, as is the money thrown down the drain on not suitable PPE equipment.
This money has thrown money at Covid, much in an inappropriate manner, but way too much wasted, and costing far to much without the appropriate procurement, eg. PPE contract given to a pub owner
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8989427/Matt-Hancocks-neighbour-no-expe
so just saying we spent more money isn't the whole story, a lucky few have made £M's out of the situation, and this country has wasted £B's in the process
still the BBC article you refer to, but not included in your posts may explain things, have you got a link ? [Post edited 31 Mar 2021 7:55]
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As you probably if you read your Mail article the contract to the ‘pub owner’ was made through the nhs to his packaging company. Thank god for entrepreneurs. I see you don’t let reality get in the way of a good old news story
Track and trace is still being used to some effect after the initial lack of response by infected contacts. | | | |
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| This is Brexit on 17:01 - Mar 31 with 2333 views | Berber |
| This is Brexit on 07:52 - Mar 31 by SalisburySaint |
but surely testy and Trace, is part Covaid initiative, as is the money thrown down the drain on not suitable PPE equipment.
This money has thrown money at Covid, much in an inappropriate manner, but way too much wasted, and costing far to much without the appropriate procurement, eg. PPE contract given to a pub owner
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8989427/Matt-Hancocks-neighbour-no-expe
so just saying we spent more money isn't the whole story, a lucky few have made £M's out of the situation, and this country has wasted £B's in the process
still the BBC article you refer to, but not included in your posts may explain things, have you got a link ? [Post edited 31 Mar 2021 7:55]
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All good points for debate, but nothing to do with Brexit, which this thread is about. | |
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| This is Brexit on 18:26 - Mar 31 with 2312 views | Sadoldgit |
It seems that more and more British companies are opening up operations in Europe due to export problems. |  | | |
| This is Brexit on 10:06 - Jun 5 with 2045 views | Sadoldgit |
I don’t know one remainer who would have us all living in caves but if you wish to pin a county’s future on producing ketchup, fair play to you. | | | |
| This is Brexit on 11:20 - Jun 5 with 2028 views | DellHero_Would |
| This is Brexit on 10:06 - Jun 5 by Sadoldgit |
I don’t know one remainer who would have us all living in caves but if you wish to pin a county’s future on producing ketchup, fair play to you. |
It’s all in the ketchup Sopps...May I suggest, you read “The Road to Wigan Pier”. You’d enjoy it and perhaps identify with some bits too...Give it a go Soppy 👠| |
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| This is Brexit on 13:22 - Jun 5 with 1991 views | Sadoldgit |
| This is Brexit on 11:20 - Jun 5 by DellHero_Would |
It’s all in the ketchup Sopps...May I suggest, you read “The Road to Wigan Pier”. You’d enjoy it and perhaps identify with some bits too...Give it a go Soppy 👠|
I have often thought that I need to read that. I’ll get around to it soon. Grew up eating ketchup and Heinz beans so happy to see ketchup made here again 😀 [Post edited 8 Jun 2021 22:20]
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| This is Brexit on 14:35 - Jun 6 with 1861 views | kernow |
A grim and depressing account of poverty in the north of England written by a bourgeois southerner.
Needless to say, not well received by the good folk of Wigan who resented having their town portrayed in such a way. | | | |
| This is Brexit on 08:38 - Jun 7 with 1801 views | Berber |
| This is Brexit on 14:35 - Jun 6 by kernow |
A grim and depressing account of poverty in the north of England written by a bourgeois southerner.
Needless to say, not well received by the good folk of Wigan who resented having their town portrayed in such a way. |
The ex mining and mill towns of the North are still not much better off if the so called justifications for Covid 19 infection rates are to be believed. "Too poor to get to a vaccination centre," seems to be the sub text. Give them more money, they deserve it after 80 years of ongoing deprivation. (err, I didn't mean that). | |
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| This is Brexit on 15:09 - Jun 7 with 1746 views | dirk_doone |
| This is Brexit on 14:35 - Jun 6 by kernow |
A grim and depressing account of poverty in the north of England written by a bourgeois southerner.
Needless to say, not well received by the good folk of Wigan who resented having their town portrayed in such a way. |
It was one of the most boring books I've ever read. If it were by anyone less famous than Orwell, it would have gone out of print a long time ago. [Post edited 7 Jun 2021 20:09]
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| This is Brexit on 19:12 - Jun 7 with 1698 views | kernow |
The Road to Wigan Casino sounds like it might be more more interesting. | | | |
| This is Brexit on 14:29 - Jun 8 with 1639 views | SouthSeaSaint |
George Orwell was a Northern Soul icon.
His original ditties in the 1930's were discovered in the late 1960's and turned into dance tunes by a host of underprivileged song smiths living in the boondocks. | | | |
| This is Brexit on 15:17 - Jun 8 with 1625 views | kernow |
| This is Brexit on 14:29 - Jun 8 by SouthSeaSaint |
George Orwell was a Northern Soul icon.
His original ditties in the 1930's were discovered in the late 1960's and turned into dance tunes by a host of underprivileged song smiths living in the boondocks. |
Ashcroft sings Orwell.
Hmmm nice. | | | |
| This is Brexit on 19:43 - Jun 8 with 1593 views | Berber |
| This is Brexit on 14:29 - Jun 8 by SouthSeaSaint |
George Orwell was a Northern Soul icon.
His original ditties in the 1930's were discovered in the late 1960's and turned into dance tunes by a host of underprivileged song smiths living in the boondocks. |
I was just going to post about Northern Soul, full marks to the retro North on keeping that one alive though. | |
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| This is Brexit on 20:45 - Jun 8 with 1583 views | SouthSeaSaint |
George Orwell was the inspiration behind 'Baby Hit & Run' by the Contours one of the best Northern Soul Dance tunes ever.
He is directly related to Denis Edwards, lead singer of the Contours at the time (and later on replacement for the great David Ruffin of the Temptations)
Not many people know that.
You have heard it first here chums!! | | | |
| This is Brexit on 16:10 - Jun 21 with 1315 views | Ron11 |
| This is Brexit on 08:54 - Jan 22 by dirk_doone |
To be honest, we're going to see a buy British last policy in the EU countries now: partly because of all the red tape and extra costs created by Brexit and partly out of anger that Britain has scorned them. [Post edited 22 Jan 2021 10:54]
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Britain has scorned them after years of receiving nothing but their contempt. | | | |
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