| This is Brexit on 15:25 - Jun 22 with 1375 views | Bison |
| This is Brexit on 15:12 - Jun 22 by Sadoldgit |
I saw something on the fromt page of the Express about this (no surprise there).
Given that we have left the EU, can we really be surprised when things change?
I get the feeling that, just like when we were in it, we want to pick and chose what parts we sign up to and those we don’t. We don’t have a say anymore. Isn’t that the whole thing about getting our country back? We and the EU have parted company but we get all shirty when we have to face the realities of what that means. |
Or you could look at it that upto January this year when we left British films and programmes were enjoyed all over Europe and now suddenly the want to censor what a citizen of the EU can watch in the comfort of the front room . What would you be saying if Boris decided what you could or could not watch on the telly ? |  |
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| This is Brexit on 15:29 - Jun 22 with 1371 views | kernow |
| This is Brexit on 15:12 - Jun 22 by Sadoldgit |
I saw something on the fromt page of the Express about this (no surprise there).
Given that we have left the EU, can we really be surprised when things change?
I get the feeling that, just like when we were in it, we want to pick and chose what parts we sign up to and those we don’t. We don’t have a say anymore. Isn’t that the whole thing about getting our country back? We and the EU have parted company but we get all shirty when we have to face the realities of what that means. |
Still looking for reasons to blame others.
The UK left the EU yet still certain elements are looking to blame them for them for everything.
Choices were made, legally binding agreements were signed and consequences are to be lived with.
Pathetic politicians and tabloid rabble rousers still continue to sow hatred and division.
Netflix and all that are still available in the UK without controls or limits so why are folk moaning about what the EU does.?
Get over it . |  | | |
| This is Brexit on 15:41 - Jun 22 with 1362 views | Bison |
| This is Brexit on 15:29 - Jun 22 by kernow |
Still looking for reasons to blame others.
The UK left the EU yet still certain elements are looking to blame them for them for everything.
Choices were made, legally binding agreements were signed and consequences are to be lived with.
Pathetic politicians and tabloid rabble rousers still continue to sow hatred and division.
Netflix and all that are still available in the UK without controls or limits so why are folk moaning about what the EU does.?
Get over it . |
Fish Town should be available to all our European Brothers and sisters. Once they see that scouse landlady at The Maritime Inn we will be forever safe from invasion. | |
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| This is Brexit on 15:42 - Jun 22 with 1359 views | Sadoldgit |
| This is Brexit on 15:29 - Jun 22 by kernow |
Still looking for reasons to blame others.
The UK left the EU yet still certain elements are looking to blame them for them for everything.
Choices were made, legally binding agreements were signed and consequences are to be lived with.
Pathetic politicians and tabloid rabble rousers still continue to sow hatred and division.
Netflix and all that are still available in the UK without controls or limits so why are folk moaning about what the EU does.?
Get over it . |
Barely a day goes by without a Brexiteer telling someone of a different opinion to “get over it” yet the Express is happily printing negative EU stories, also almost on a daily basis. Perhaps it is they who should “get over it”.
Why does it bother you so much what the EU do now? You got your country back didn’t you? In what way does it impact upon your life? |  | | |
| This is Brexit on 15:50 - Jun 22 with 1347 views | Sadoldgit |
| This is Brexit on 15:29 - Jun 22 by kernow |
Still looking for reasons to blame others.
The UK left the EU yet still certain elements are looking to blame them for them for everything.
Choices were made, legally binding agreements were signed and consequences are to be lived with.
Pathetic politicians and tabloid rabble rousers still continue to sow hatred and division.
Netflix and all that are still available in the UK without controls or limits so why are folk moaning about what the EU does.?
Get over it . |
Oh, and by the way, choices were made back in the 70’s to become part of the Common Market as it was then, but apparently that democratic vote didn’t suit some of you so you insisted on another (and another if Farage hadn’t got his way last time). Yay for good old democracy eh? 😉 | | | |
| This is Brexit on 16:07 - Jun 22 with 1336 views | kernow |
| This is Brexit on 15:50 - Jun 22 by Sadoldgit |
Oh, and by the way, choices were made back in the 70’s to become part of the Common Market as it was then, but apparently that democratic vote didn’t suit some of you so you insisted on another (and another if Farage hadn’t got his way last time). Yay for good old democracy eh? 😉 |
The use of the article "you" is with reference to me ? | | | |
| This is Brexit on 16:11 - Jun 22 with 1331 views | kernow |
| This is Brexit on 15:41 - Jun 22 by Bison |
Fish Town should be available to all our European Brothers and sisters. Once they see that scouse landlady at The Maritime Inn we will be forever safe from invasion. |
Is that an example of the "soft power" you were on about? | | | |
| This is Brexit on 16:14 - Jun 22 with 1325 views | Bison |
| This is Brexit on 16:07 - Jun 22 by kernow |
The use of the article "you" is with reference to me ? |
SoG's is all over the place Kernow he has somehow interpreted your comments as that of a Leaver and his natural instinct is Tora Tora Tora !
On a slightly different note he agreed with a rerun of the referendum from 2016 and also sees nothing wrong with the Scots getting another vote after the decision of a generation but disagrees we can review a decision made nearly 50 years ago. I think that sums him up bless him. | |
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| This is Brexit on 16:26 - Jun 22 with 1320 views | Sadoldgit |
| This is Brexit on 16:14 - Jun 22 by Bison |
SoG's is all over the place Kernow he has somehow interpreted your comments as that of a Leaver and his natural instinct is Tora Tora Tora !
On a slightly different note he agreed with a rerun of the referendum from 2016 and also sees nothing wrong with the Scots getting another vote after the decision of a generation but disagrees we can review a decision made nearly 50 years ago. I think that sums him up bless him. |
Sorry but I can’t help it. I see the phrase “get over it” and as you say, Tora Tora Tora! | | | |
| This is Brexit on 16:53 - Jun 22 with 1321 views | grumpy |
| This is Brexit on 14:31 - Jun 22 by Berber |
The EEC was first and foremost about freedoms. The EU, as quite a few of their bureaucrats, and quite a lot of ex European politicians have stated many times over the years, is about ever increasing convergence. That actually is the antithesis of freedom, unless we continually agree to give up our freedom of choice.
Being told what to do by them is not a nonsense. The facts are, that Britain has never willingly given up our freedoms, Thatchers disillusion with them, John Major, the Maastricht Treat, "Those bastards," and many times since, are all testimony to that, and the political fudges where we were allowed to pretend that we had not acquiesced did not, in the end, satisfy many of our population. First and foremost, I believe in democracy. That means democracy of the UK. As Boris (God bless his cotton socks, whoever's bed they are in) said a few months ago in relation to the vaccines row with Queen Ursula, "The first duty of any national government is to protect its citizens ," which is kind of hard to argue against, and the EU had to zip up for a while, as they cannot disagree for fear of the Dutch, the Danish, many Italians and quite a lot of Spanish kicking off.
I agree that the freedoms of Brexit are pretty abstract, but utlimately, they are nased on the proviso that it is the UK citizens alone that get to vote on the key decisions regarding our future. I would liken the situation similar to animals trapped in a reservation, "You can go anywhere you like, just stick to the rules, it's for your own good." But ultimately, we are not free if consensus rules agreed by a majority of foreign politicians in the EU are enforced over us. Sure we had a voice, but it is not the deciding one.
You must have had the feeling when leaving a match, that actually, you cannot do anything but go with the flow, you are, for that time, trapped in the direction and actions of others. By the time you are able to change direction, you may be past your intended destination.
The Scots might argue the same, but the terms of the Union that they signed up to did not include provisions for exit, our deal with the EU did, so I'll accept the legal definitions and democratic vote on that one.
I know a large part of the UK still thought, and think, that it is worth it, but personally, I would never sell my freedom without the realistic option to buy it back at a time of my own choosing, for whatever reason.
EU bogeymen? So how do we explain the incredibly loaded goods testing demanded by the EU for N Ireland bound goods compared to the relatively few they demand elsewhere? I don't see much goodwill, or good faith (which underpins all legal agreements) and as they have shown regarding their poor vaccines purchase deal, they are not averse to throwing their legal weight about. I wait with anticipation the EU court ruling on the supply contract with AZ. I note too that they have claimed victory in their request for punitive fines to be levied on AZ, despite the judge (whilst finding some merit in their sourcing argument) declining to do so. |
How can convergence mean giving up freedom of choice?
We were stronger together within the EU .
Never mind we might build this 200 million yacht and sail round the world trying to convince other nations to sign trade deals.  |  | | |
| This is Brexit on 17:50 - Jun 22 with 1305 views | kernow |
| This is Brexit on 16:53 - Jun 22 by grumpy |
How can convergence mean giving up freedom of choice?
We were stronger together within the EU .
Never mind we might build this 200 million yacht and sail round the world trying to convince other nations to sign trade deals. |
Won't happen without a big gun on the foredeck. | | | |
| This is Brexit on 18:40 - Jun 22 with 1292 views | kentsouthampton |
| This is Brexit on 15:25 - Jun 22 by Bison |
Or you could look at it that upto January this year when we left British films and programmes were enjoyed all over Europe and now suddenly the want to censor what a citizen of the EU can watch in the comfort of the front room . What would you be saying if Boris decided what you could or could not watch on the telly ? |
You won get over it. |  | | |
| This is Brexit on 18:56 - Jun 22 with 1275 views | Ron11 |
| This is Brexit on 16:26 - Jun 22 by Sadoldgit |
Sorry but I can’t help it. I see the phrase “get over it” and as you say, Tora Tora Tora! |
You are condoning an unprovoked attack on the US territory of Hawaii by the Japanese.
They got over it, why can't you? | | | |
| This is Brexit on 19:29 - Jun 22 with 1253 views | Sadoldgit |
| This is Brexit on 18:56 - Jun 22 by Ron11 |
You are condoning an unprovoked attack on the US territory of Hawaii by the Japanese.
They got over it, why can't you? |
Not condoning anything of the sort Ron, just borrowing Bison’s phrase. | | | |
| This is Brexit on 00:25 - Jun 23 with 1225 views | Berber |
| This is Brexit on 16:53 - Jun 22 by grumpy |
How can convergence mean giving up freedom of choice?
We were stronger together within the EU .
Never mind we might build this 200 million yacht and sail round the world trying to convince other nations to sign trade deals. |
Convergence without consent is loss of freedom, as is any act of being forced to do something against your will. The UK, as already stated has a long history of digging in our heels wrt the great European Project and the political fudges were just that, fudge, tacky and without much substance. The increased use of majority voting was just exacerbating our reluctance.
What exactly do you mean. "We were stronger together within the EU?" How so? They are great words to bandy about, but what are those strengths exactly when translated to the individual citizen? |  |
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| This is Brexit on 01:13 - Jun 23 with 1216 views | DorsetIan |
| This is Brexit on 00:25 - Jun 23 by Berber |
Convergence without consent is loss of freedom, as is any act of being forced to do something against your will. The UK, as already stated has a long history of digging in our heels wrt the great European Project and the political fudges were just that, fudge, tacky and without much substance. The increased use of majority voting was just exacerbating our reluctance.
What exactly do you mean. "We were stronger together within the EU?" How so? They are great words to bandy about, but what are those strengths exactly when translated to the individual citizen? |
For political fudge, see the position Brexit has got NI into.
Most politics is a fudge. As long as it works who cares? And it worked fine and it delivered more freedoms to the citizens of member states than they had ever known before. | |
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| This is Brexit on 07:49 - Jun 23 with 1188 views | grumpy |
| This is Brexit on 00:25 - Jun 23 by Berber |
Convergence without consent is loss of freedom, as is any act of being forced to do something against your will. The UK, as already stated has a long history of digging in our heels wrt the great European Project and the political fudges were just that, fudge, tacky and without much substance. The increased use of majority voting was just exacerbating our reluctance.
What exactly do you mean. "We were stronger together within the EU?" How so? They are great words to bandy about, but what are those strengths exactly when translated to the individual citizen? |
'What exactly do you mean. "We were stronger together within the EU?" How so?'
In one word PEACE.
I don't recall any great loss of freedom when we were in the EU. | | | |
| This is Brexit on 09:38 - Jun 23 with 1164 views | DorsetIan |
| This is Brexit on 07:49 - Jun 23 by grumpy |
'What exactly do you mean. "We were stronger together within the EU?" How so?'
In one word PEACE.
I don't recall any great loss of freedom when we were in the EU. |
Grumps, when we in the EU, you should have been irate at the EU telling us what to do. You're free from that now. You're a much freer man.
Now you can irate about the EU not agreeing to everything we want whenever we want it. | |
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| This is Brexit on 09:55 - Jun 24 with 1117 views | Berber |
| This is Brexit on 07:49 - Jun 23 by grumpy |
'What exactly do you mean. "We were stronger together within the EU?" How so?'
In one word PEACE.
I don't recall any great loss of freedom when we were in the EU. |
The EEC was formed to aid Euro powers to cooperate together. In the 20th century, that was basically Germany invading its neibours. That worked for sure, but didn’t need the UK to join to be successful.
For me, the EU is like being wrapped in a boa constrictor, it is fine to begin with, but the constraints get ever tighter. I still can’t see how submission makes us stronger though. Remember too, this is the view of someone who voted to remain. | |
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| This is Brexit on 20:46 - Jun 24 with 1077 views | grumpy |
| This is Brexit on 09:55 - Jun 24 by Berber |
The EEC was formed to aid Euro powers to cooperate together. In the 20th century, that was basically Germany invading its neibours. That worked for sure, but didn’t need the UK to join to be successful.
For me, the EU is like being wrapped in a boa constrictor, it is fine to begin with, but the constraints get ever tighter. I still can’t see how submission makes us stronger though. Remember too, this is the view of someone who voted to remain. |
You do seem somewhat confused. | | | |
| This is Brexit on 21:03 - Jun 24 with 1065 views | kernow |
Seemingly somewhat confused and incoherent. | | | |
| This is Brexit on 23:40 - Jun 24 with 1037 views | kentsouthampton |
| This is Brexit on 09:55 - Jun 24 by Berber |
The EEC was formed to aid Euro powers to cooperate together. In the 20th century, that was basically Germany invading its neibours. That worked for sure, but didn’t need the UK to join to be successful.
For me, the EU is like being wrapped in a boa constrictor, it is fine to begin with, but the constraints get ever tighter. I still can’t see how submission makes us stronger though. Remember too, this is the view of someone who voted to remain. |
Would you like to buy some magic beans? | | | |
| This is Brexit on 00:27 - Jun 25 with 1030 views | DorsetIan |
| This is Brexit on 09:55 - Jun 24 by Berber |
The EEC was formed to aid Euro powers to cooperate together. In the 20th century, that was basically Germany invading its neibours. That worked for sure, but didn’t need the UK to join to be successful.
For me, the EU is like being wrapped in a boa constrictor, it is fine to begin with, but the constraints get ever tighter. I still can’t see how submission makes us stronger though. Remember too, this is the view of someone who voted to remain. |
Interesting that Germany, which was still very much on its knees when the first shoots of the forerunners of the EU were emerging, still managed it ‘invade its neighbours’. And more to the point the other nations just rolled over. Your historical analysis is original, I’ll give you that.
And I don’t really get how all the freedoms that EU membership brings can be likened in any way to being suffocated. Quite the contrary. I think it’s the return of roaming charges today isn’t it? | |
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| This is Brexit on 07:30 - Jun 25 with 991 views | Butty101 |
| This is Brexit on 00:27 - Jun 25 by DorsetIan |
Interesting that Germany, which was still very much on its knees when the first shoots of the forerunners of the EU were emerging, still managed it ‘invade its neighbours’. And more to the point the other nations just rolled over. Your historical analysis is original, I’ll give you that.
And I don’t really get how all the freedoms that EU membership brings can be likened in any way to being suffocated. Quite the contrary. I think it’s the return of roaming charges today isn’t it? |
I see Germany are dictating to the rest of Europe, about letting holiday makers from the UK in. Personally im glad we are no longer being dictacted to. |  |
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| This is Brexit on 08:50 - Jun 25 with 975 views | Sadoldgit |
| This is Brexit on 07:30 - Jun 25 by Butty101 |
I see Germany are dictating to the rest of Europe, about letting holiday makers from the UK in. Personally im glad we are no longer being dictacted to. |
Nice use of the word “dictating”. You seem to be stuck in the 70’s. | | | |
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