| Corbyn as Prime Minister 11:26 - May 28 with 35990 views | off2div1 |
Labour policies are more for the working class but is Corbyn capable of running the country. |  | | |  |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 15:27 - Jun 9 with 1986 views | D_Alien |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 15:09 - Jun 9 by rochdaleriddler |
Didn't think forming a grubby alliance with anti gay, anti women's rights nutjobs/ terrorist apologists was an important role for the government. Corbyn said he was willing to form a government with no such skullduggery. The dull one is one desperate woman, this will end in tears for the tories, and I couldn't be happier, and the fact that you had to admit you were wrong is just the icing on the cake |
I'm happy to oblige, rr, and look forward to TM or her successor as Tory leader taking the country through the Brexit minefield and emerging the other side
To enjoy icing on a cake, you've got to have a cake to start with. Like a loser in the Great British Bakeoff, your cake failed to rise |  |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 15:34 - Jun 9 with 1967 views | tony_roch975 |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 15:27 - Jun 9 by D_Alien |
I'm happy to oblige, rr, and look forward to TM or her successor as Tory leader taking the country through the Brexit minefield and emerging the other side
To enjoy icing on a cake, you've got to have a cake to start with. Like a loser in the Great British Bakeoff, your cake failed to rise |
which is it - crumbs of comfort that there Maybe a Tory leader who in typical Tory fashion can have their cake & eat it or, as you wrote earlier, "May's election call has been a disaster, most of all for the country who now face a Brexit with hugely weakened leadership" - seems to me your side's got the egg on its face! |  |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 15:36 - Jun 9 with 1963 views | D_Alien |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 15:14 - Jun 9 by pioneer |
Because the SF MPs dont participate you have to take this 7 seats off the total number of seats 651 - 7 = 644. That is the number of participating members so 50% + 1 of 644 (= 323) is what is needed to have a majority of participating members.
Sad that the old guard Labour MPs could not bring themselves to admit they were wrong about Corbyn and give a clear message that they are 100% behind him now he has proven that even without a sympathetic press or the support of his parliamentary party he has taken the party to a level of support that would have been sufficient to form a government in many previous elections.
Dont understand why so many thought a collapse in UKIP vote was traditional tory voters. UKIP took many labour voters who have now returned to the fold.
Ironic that tricky nicky north of the border has provided the tories with the opportunity to govern - well done scots nats. As with the referenda, despite your huffing and puffing you got the outcome you most wanted to avoid.
Seems like we are now going to be run (effectively) by 700,000 irish folk who voted DUP. Thats what democracy means in a FPTP system. Nonsense. Lead to interesting discussions of the irish border question. Free movement of people over the irish border effectively means free movement of people from EU.
Interesting times |
Some good points there
It's worth noting, however, that Angela Merkel has run a minority government in Germany very successfully for four terms of office and very few European governing parties have outright majorities. When Cameron & Clegg formed the coalition in 2010, it was thought that could become the new normal. That could still be true. | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 15:37 - Jun 9 with 1957 views | D_Alien |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 15:34 - Jun 9 by tony_roch975 |
which is it - crumbs of comfort that there Maybe a Tory leader who in typical Tory fashion can have their cake & eat it or, as you wrote earlier, "May's election call has been a disaster, most of all for the country who now face a Brexit with hugely weakened leadership" - seems to me your side's got the egg on its face! |
Absolutely! Barm cakes all round! | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 16:33 - Jun 9 with 1870 views | 49thseason |
Nicked from Guido Fawkes.... What's not to like?
The DUP manifesto is rather better in places than that Conservative manifesto:
The DUP pledged:
To reduce the rate of Corporation Tax to at least 12.5%;
To freeze then cut or abolish the TV licence and reform the BBC;
To cut the VAT rate for tourism businesses;
To introduce a Trade Accelerator Plan including an enhanced range of initiatives to help support both new and existing exporters to explore new markets;
To abolish Air Passenger Duty;
To establish low-tax, deregulated Freeports in economically underdeveloped parts of the UK
To reduce the number of Government Departments and reduce the number of Special Advisors;
To introduce a Civil Service Voluntary Exit Scheme yielding annual savings of approximately £100 million;
To create new trade, investment, and innovation hubs in key global markets;
To introduce alternative models of public sector service delivery such as increasing the use of social enterprises. |  | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 16:47 - Jun 9 with 1825 views | nordenblue |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 15:37 - Jun 9 by D_Alien |
Absolutely! Barm cakes all round! |
Not really my bag politics ill admit, but it does seem from the outside like the labour party are like a shit team celebrating they've only lost 2.0 this week instead of their usual 5.0..... | | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 18:44 - Jun 9 with 1748 views | fitzochris |
Today was like: everyone's at a party, the mood is cautious but people are starting to get into the swing of it, getting to know each other, putting on mix tapes, there's even talk of a bbq. Then Theresa May stalks in (who totally wasn't invited and is very, very pissed off about that) with her new DUP cronies, switches the music off and demands everyone stubs out their cigarettes, finish their drinks and never have any fun ever, ever again. Someone calls out 'taxi for Farron?' and Nicola Sturgeon is crying on the stairs whilst Corbyn can't decide whether to ignore/comfort/fire into her.
What a time to be alive. |  |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 18:53 - Jun 9 with 1721 views | 1mark1 |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 14:00 - Jun 9 by steofthedale |
In reality everyone lost the election.......
Corbyn did better than expected , but no better than Gordon Brown....
May increased the Tory share of the vote, but lost her majority.......
The country has become more polarised......
There is no good outcome......only a need to find what represents the least worse |
Share of the vote.
CORBYN 2017 41%. 12,858,652 Vores
Miliband 2015 30%. 9,347,324 Votes
Brown 2010 29%. 8,609,527 Votes
Blair 2005 35%. 9,552,436 Votes
Blair 2001 40.7 10,724,953
Blair 1997. 43.2 13,518,167
Millions more voted in this election as well, so millions more voted for Corbyn than Brown.
With Corbyn's hand within Labour strengthened, the party will going forward be more united.
Now May has to rely on a party with links to terrorists.
I accept there is no victory for anyone, however without a doubt, the happiest party is Labour, who are on their way back, both in the number of seats they are attacking, votes that are coming back to them, this all due to the fact they are moving back to their socialist and working class roots, away from the blue Tory policies that led to millions deserting Labour to , not voting, and going to other parties like UKIP, Tories, Greens, SNP, PC, and even Lib Dems.
Other thing to note, is that for the next election many more of the Tory seats have become marginal, and on the other side, Labour have strengthened their majority in many seats. |  |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 19:04 - Jun 9 with 1706 views | macro |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 16:47 - Jun 9 by nordenblue |
Not really my bag politics ill admit, but it does seem from the outside like the labour party are like a shit team celebrating they've only lost 2.0 this week instead of their usual 5.0..... |
Copied directly from Michael Vaughan twitter |  | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 19:09 - Jun 9 with 1699 views | 1mark1 |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 16:33 - Jun 9 by 49thseason |
Nicked from Guido Fawkes.... What's not to like?
The DUP manifesto is rather better in places than that Conservative manifesto:
The DUP pledged:
To reduce the rate of Corporation Tax to at least 12.5%;
To freeze then cut or abolish the TV licence and reform the BBC;
To cut the VAT rate for tourism businesses;
To introduce a Trade Accelerator Plan including an enhanced range of initiatives to help support both new and existing exporters to explore new markets;
To abolish Air Passenger Duty;
To establish low-tax, deregulated Freeports in economically underdeveloped parts of the UK
To reduce the number of Government Departments and reduce the number of Special Advisors;
To introduce a Civil Service Voluntary Exit Scheme yielding annual savings of approximately £100 million;
To create new trade, investment, and innovation hubs in key global markets;
To introduce alternative models of public sector service delivery such as increasing the use of social enterprises. |
Yes fantastic, if we don't want to fund the health service, education, defence , police, etc, etc.
The Condup government might have a "working " majority on paper, however, not all Tories believe in the very low tax economy put forward above, also they won't get that through the Lords. The Lords wouldn't have to play ball either, as the DUP part of any manifesto wouldn't be part of the equation, so no need for the Lords to allow such bills to pass without being able to amend. Other things to bear in mind. Much of the Tory manifesto is not universally liked within the Tory MPs, so they will struggle, or find impossible to pass certain legislation.
I am looking forward to the Condup government trying to get their policies through. There will be complete opposition to the Tory government now, and not even their terrorist linked new friends will be able to really help them.
No doubt in my mind, October will see another election. | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 19:31 - Jun 9 with 1654 views | mingthemerciless |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 15:27 - Jun 9 by D_Alien |
I'm happy to oblige, rr, and look forward to TM or her successor as Tory leader taking the country through the Brexit minefield and emerging the other side
To enjoy icing on a cake, you've got to have a cake to start with. Like a loser in the Great British Bakeoff, your cake failed to rise |
I don't know what it is you're smoking but you need to give it up. | | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 19:40 - Jun 9 with 1638 views | tony_roch975 |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 16:47 - Jun 9 by nordenblue |
Not really my bag politics ill admit, but it does seem from the outside like the labour party are like a shit team celebrating they've only lost 2.0 this week instead of their usual 5.0..... |
Just like we Dale fans celebrate just missing out on the Play-offs cos we know with the unequal financial backing, the lack of foreign paymasters and the biased press coverage we get, we're doing brilliantly to get that close. We also appreciate our team playing by the rules, not slagging off opponents or refs who play with hope and not fear - exactly like the Labour Party. | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 19:41 - Jun 9 with 1637 views | mingthemerciless |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 16:33 - Jun 9 by 49thseason |
Nicked from Guido Fawkes.... What's not to like?
The DUP manifesto is rather better in places than that Conservative manifesto:
The DUP pledged:
To reduce the rate of Corporation Tax to at least 12.5%;
To freeze then cut or abolish the TV licence and reform the BBC;
To cut the VAT rate for tourism businesses;
To introduce a Trade Accelerator Plan including an enhanced range of initiatives to help support both new and existing exporters to explore new markets;
To abolish Air Passenger Duty;
To establish low-tax, deregulated Freeports in economically underdeveloped parts of the UK
To reduce the number of Government Departments and reduce the number of Special Advisors;
To introduce a Civil Service Voluntary Exit Scheme yielding annual savings of approximately £100 million;
To create new trade, investment, and innovation hubs in key global markets;
To introduce alternative models of public sector service delivery such as increasing the use of social enterprises. |
Why stop at 12.5 % Corporation tax, why not just abolish it altogether. Abolish the minimum wage, that'll be better still.
If Labour had have got a caning yesterday I'd have been back on here holding my hand up. You come on here with the usual Guido Fawkes garbage.
Winston Churchill, Anthony Eden, Harold Macmillan, Alec Douglas Home, Ted Heath, Margeret Thatcher, John Major, David Cameron - your party took a hell of a beating. [Post edited 9 Jun 2017 19:43]
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 19:48 - Jun 9 with 1603 views | isitme |
Have I missed something? Are Labour now the party of government? Corbyn achieved the same result seat wise as Brown.
May received more votes than Blair did in the 1997 landslide and is still the PM. |  | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 19:52 - Jun 9 with 1594 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 15:27 - Jun 9 by D_Alien |
I'm happy to oblige, rr, and look forward to TM or her successor as Tory leader taking the country through the Brexit minefield and emerging the other side
To enjoy icing on a cake, you've got to have a cake to start with. Like a loser in the Great British Bakeoff, your cake failed to rise |
I'm happy that you are happy. My cake has always been moist , never more so than now talking to you, mystic meg |  |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 19:54 - Jun 9 with 1590 views | fitzochris |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 19:48 - Jun 9 by isitme |
Have I missed something? Are Labour now the party of government? Corbyn achieved the same result seat wise as Brown.
May received more votes than Blair did in the 1997 landslide and is still the PM. |
Aye but she called an election to strengthen her position and ultimately made herself weaker, having to cow to Belfast politics just to get back to where she was to begin with.
Pretty shite show, to be fair. | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:01 - Jun 9 with 1574 views | nordenblue |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 19:04 - Jun 9 by macro |
Copied directly from Michael Vaughan twitter |
I don't have anything to do with Twitter tbf..not even got an account | | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:04 - Jun 9 with 1560 views | nordenblue |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 19:41 - Jun 9 by mingthemerciless |
Why stop at 12.5 % Corporation tax, why not just abolish it altogether. Abolish the minimum wage, that'll be better still.
If Labour had have got a caning yesterday I'd have been back on here holding my hand up. You come on here with the usual Guido Fawkes garbage.
Winston Churchill, Anthony Eden, Harold Macmillan, Alec Douglas Home, Ted Heath, Margeret Thatcher, John Major, David Cameron - your party took a hell of a beating. [Post edited 9 Jun 2017 19:43]
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Did labour win? I think we should have another vote anyway it doesn't seem fair...AGAIN... | | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:19 - Jun 9 with 1534 views | 1mark1 |
In answer to those that say Labour never won. Yes I know. However The swing required for Labour to have become the biggest party , would have had to have been completely massive, and far more than what normally happens in Gen Elections. They got a big swing to them, and have brought into play a lot more Tory held seats, which will be in range for next election. They wil literally be able to throw hundreds of party workers into these marginal seats, also they have had another surge in membership which will help pay for big campaigns.
Also the left/ Corbyn have secured their position now in the LP. | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:37 - Jun 9 with 1507 views | isitme |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 19:54 - Jun 9 by fitzochris |
Aye but she called an election to strengthen her position and ultimately made herself weaker, having to cow to Belfast politics just to get back to where she was to begin with.
Pretty shite show, to be fair. |
I would agree and yet still Corbyn won almost 20% fewer seats (18%) than May even taking into account her poor campaign and even worse manifesto. That is without mentioning the inbuilt bias within the current boundaries.
Fair play to Corbyn. He has policies that appeal to a number of people. I mean which student wouldn't like to be able to study without having to pay tuition fees? Who wouldn't like the cap on their benefits lifted? Everyone is happy to get things that other people pay for, especially if you can screw the rich and businesses whilst getting them.
Still more people voted against his policies than for them. [Post edited 9 Jun 2017 20:45]
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:49 - Jun 9 with 1475 views | fitzochris |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:37 - Jun 9 by isitme |
I would agree and yet still Corbyn won almost 20% fewer seats (18%) than May even taking into account her poor campaign and even worse manifesto. That is without mentioning the inbuilt bias within the current boundaries.
Fair play to Corbyn. He has policies that appeal to a number of people. I mean which student wouldn't like to be able to study without having to pay tuition fees? Who wouldn't like the cap on their benefits lifted? Everyone is happy to get things that other people pay for, especially if you can screw the rich and businesses whilst getting them.
Still more people voted against his policies than for them. [Post edited 9 Jun 2017 20:45]
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If you look at my irreverent post prior, you'll see I'm not really advocating a success for Corbyn either, but I cannot have it that May hasn't dropped a bollock and made the situation worse than it was prior to her deciding a general election was needed. | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:53 - Jun 9 with 1459 views | mingthemerciless |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:49 - Jun 9 by fitzochris |
If you look at my irreverent post prior, you'll see I'm not really advocating a success for Corbyn either, but I cannot have it that May hasn't dropped a bollock and made the situation worse than it was prior to her deciding a general election was needed. |
That'll teach her to ask the audience. She couldn't phone a friend because she hasn't got any. | | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:55 - Jun 9 with 1458 views | roccydaleian |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 19:54 - Jun 9 by fitzochris |
Aye but she called an election to strengthen her position and ultimately made herself weaker, having to cow to Belfast politics just to get back to where she was to begin with.
Pretty shite show, to be fair. |
It was a shite show TBF, especially seeing it was a stupid call anyway.May was a disaster, and Corbyn grew stronger week by week. Promising to abolish student tuition fees obviously had a massive impact on the youth vote, but I doubt they thought it was a left wing policy and just saw it as saving dosh. May also cocked up on the grey vote as well which played into Corbyn's arms. Put in the mix the return of a lot of the UKIP votes, everything fell quite well for Labour. If and it is a big if, this coalition lasts the five years and Brexit is a reasonable success, it'll be a whole different ball game again. |  | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:02 - Jun 9 with 1440 views | fitzochris |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:55 - Jun 9 by roccydaleian |
It was a shite show TBF, especially seeing it was a stupid call anyway.May was a disaster, and Corbyn grew stronger week by week. Promising to abolish student tuition fees obviously had a massive impact on the youth vote, but I doubt they thought it was a left wing policy and just saw it as saving dosh. May also cocked up on the grey vote as well which played into Corbyn's arms. Put in the mix the return of a lot of the UKIP votes, everything fell quite well for Labour. If and it is a big if, this coalition lasts the five years and Brexit is a reasonable success, it'll be a whole different ball game again. |
That's it absolutely. I just fear the alliance with the DUP will prove to be disastrous in the long term for short-term gain.
As for Corbyn, a lot of what he does is chucklesome, but it's about time the Labour Party stood for something tangibly different to the Conservatives. For too long both the main parties have been too similar, just either side of the middle. Now there is a real choice and it's great. It's got people interested again.
As for the SNP, their leader is another who has learned that a large majority doesn't equate to unilateral support of a single policy. | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 23:50 - Jun 9 with 1273 views | 49thseason |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:53 - Jun 9 by mingthemerciless |
That'll teach her to ask the audience. She couldn't phone a friend because she hasn't got any. |
But apparently she has more friends than Jeremy. .. To be fair this election will probably go down as the worst decision ever made by a PM but Labours excitement will evaporate once the fact they are still sitting on the opposition benches sets in.
The idea that this is the beginning of a Labour revival should be taken with a large pinch of salt too, 5 years is a very long time in politics, anything could happen and probably will. Lets face it, this is 3 elections with no labour victory, even UKIP have won a national election since Labour last won one. | | | |
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