| Corbyn as Prime Minister 11:26 - May 28 with 36258 views | off2div1 |
Labour policies are more for the working class but is Corbyn capable of running the country. |  | | |  |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:56 - Jun 10 with 2187 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:54 - Jun 10 by roccydaleian |
UC is in place and has been for some time. I haven't seen or read about any mass evictions. |
It hasn't, and a lot of people on the margins cannot budget it sounds a great idea but it isn't for many, and housing associations oppose it |  |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:57 - Jun 10 with 2178 views | roccydaleian |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:51 - Jun 10 by isitme |
I am still waiting for a response to how 'proper socialist policies' are doing in Venezuela. At least 1mark1 attempts to debate policy, usually without the aggression associated with the hard left. |
I agree. |  | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:00 - Jun 10 with 2167 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:49 - Jun 10 by isitme |
Regarding the payment to tenants rather than landlords this was something specifically requested by those on the left as paying directly to landlords was demeaning and belittling to those in receipt of housing benefit. In reality as many cannot budget, especially with the move to four weekly payments many people have got into arrears. Housing associations can apply to receive payment directly from benefits after a certain amount of non payment has built up. A well indented idea, which would and has not worked.
Regarding the nationalisation apart from the railways. The giving of government bonds to shareholders is just creating more debt. The amount paid would have to be slightly above market rate and then 10 year gilts would probably pay 3% plus per year. It would be significantly cheaper to buy up the shares, but even the very expensive. Forced purchase below the market rate or any more extreme attempt to take ownership would be economic suicide.
The IFS stated the the figures used to cost the manifesto were optimistic. High levels of taxation do not bring in more money, in fact often less money. The laffer curve illustrates the point well. It may sound good to bash business and the rich, but economically it does not make sense, especially with how complex our tax systems are. Simplifying it and closing the loopholes that think tories, Gary Lineker and Saint Bono use would probably bring in more money, but this is not as flashy a policy and the hypocrites who preach for higher taxes, but use these schemes would be affected. |
Source please, it was always policy to pay the tenant rather than the landlord , landlords could apply for payment direct after 8 weeks arrears | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:01 - Jun 10 with 2162 views | 1mark1 |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:47 - Jun 10 by roccydaleian |
So how many billions of pounds would it have cost? Where was the money coming from? |
No idea, I am not an economist, or an expert on the Labour manifesto. |  |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:02 - Jun 10 with 2158 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:57 - Jun 10 by roccydaleian |
I agree. |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:10 - Jun 10 with 2133 views | nordenblue |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:54 - Jun 10 by rochdaleriddler |
The dead duck was in reference to the post election position. You telling me she will still be pm in 12 months? Corbyn was written off, and he has dragged labour back from the brink Can't see how you can argue with that |
Dragged labour back to where though another loss,hes spoke about like some sort of mesiah,it's hilarious really.
Hes done well to get young people remotely interested fair play,but I've never seen a loss celebrated so much |  | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:13 - Jun 10 with 2120 views | 1mark1 |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:51 - Jun 10 by roccydaleian |
Labour said income tax wouldn't rise, it's in the manifesto isn't it? |
The lower rate wasn't rising. They gave plans for the higher rates to rise. | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:13 - Jun 10 with 2115 views | rochdaleriddler |
i no longer work in social housing, massive problems just before I left . I'm not in the loop anymore | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:14 - Jun 10 with 2114 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:10 - Jun 10 by nordenblue |
Dragged labour back to where though another loss,hes spoke about like some sort of mesiah,it's hilarious really.
Hes done well to get young people remotely interested fair play,but I've never seen a loss celebrated so much |
I'm celebrating may's demise | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:15 - Jun 10 with 2107 views | D_Alien |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:38 - Jun 10 by R17ALE |
Blimey. This thread has meandered into a sloth of left v right with some pretty unpleasant things being said.
I generally follow current affairs quite closely and I'll say from the off I do not like Corbyn at all, or his closest allies. Or Labour.
However, whilst I might not like him, I respect him now much more, and am impressed at his ability to draw a crowd, his oratory and debating skills, and his ability to rise above a vitriolic press, and his ability to get up to a million first time voters to go through the rain and vote for him. He's confounded the polls and has reminded the Tories that if they don't up their game, there is an opposition now out there who can win seats held by Tories for decades. For a man of his age to do all that at a moment's notice is impressive I'll agree.
Yes, he was helped by an awful Tory manifesto and campaign, plus May has come out of this looking a bit shit.
Despite it all The Tories did still win although it's a hollow win, and they deserve every vote they didn't get. Ruth Davidson showed how to run a campaign, and her stance against that awful little Scottish woman earned her 13 Scottish Tory seats. If the SNP weren't so myopic about UK independence, the SNP would probably have held their 58 (I think) seats and without doing the exact maths would probably have been able to form a coalition with Labour.
So the irony, from my viewpoint is the SNP have inadvertently helped the Tories to cling onto power with the help of the Irish!
I bet I'd have got 500-1 on that a week ago! |
Couldn't agree more R17ALE
JC has earned respect and he'd be horrified by the childish vitriol being aimed at TM by so-called Labour supporters. Yep, it could be argued that he's been subjected to vitriol for some time, but not by me. I believe he's misguided, but perhaps not as misguided as TM has been by her (now sacked) advisers
It remains to be seen whether she can act in a meaningful way as the Brexit talks begin, but without that pressing requirement, there's no doubt she'd be gone. My take on it is she's made her bed and should be made to lie in it until a way through to a longer-term position for the country becomes clear as the talks progress |  |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:21 - Jun 10 with 2086 views | isitme |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:00 - Jun 10 by rochdaleriddler |
Source please, it was always policy to pay the tenant rather than the landlord , landlords could apply for payment direct after 8 weeks arrears |
Let's just say I have a close relationship with someone who is a solicitor for a housing association. So they know what they are talking about. |  | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:30 - Jun 10 with 2052 views | 1mark1 |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 20:49 - Jun 10 by isitme |
Regarding the payment to tenants rather than landlords this was something specifically requested by those on the left as paying directly to landlords was demeaning and belittling to those in receipt of housing benefit. In reality as many cannot budget, especially with the move to four weekly payments many people have got into arrears. Housing associations can apply to receive payment directly from benefits after a certain amount of non payment has built up. A well indented idea, which would and has not worked.
Regarding the nationalisation apart from the railways. The giving of government bonds to shareholders is just creating more debt. The amount paid would have to be slightly above market rate and then 10 year gilts would probably pay 3% plus per year. It would be significantly cheaper to buy up the shares, but even the very expensive. Forced purchase below the market rate or any more extreme attempt to take ownership would be economic suicide.
The IFS stated the the figures used to cost the manifesto were optimistic. High levels of taxation do not bring in more money, in fact often less money. The laffer curve illustrates the point well. It may sound good to bash business and the rich, but economically it does not make sense, especially with how complex our tax systems are. Simplifying it and closing the loopholes that think tories, Gary Lineker and Saint Bono use would probably bring in more money, but this is not as flashy a policy and the hypocrites who preach for higher taxes, but use these schemes would be affected. |
"Regarding the payment to tenants rather than landlords this was something specifically requested by those on the left as paying directly to landlords was demeaning and belittling to those in receipt of housing benefit."
Not true. Was opposed by the Greens and many others, though don't know if the LP opposed it officially. Local authorities, and other social housing providers all against it, including local charities who look after people.
Re railways, no bonds required, as each franchise came to an end, it was to be ran by the state, using the money that would normally go to the private company. The issue of bonds, would have been for the other renationalised companies.
The amounts brought in by tax, could equally have been higher, with more people working, more investment, higher wages etc. No one knows for certain. | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:31 - Jun 10 with 2051 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:15 - Jun 10 by D_Alien |
Couldn't agree more R17ALE
JC has earned respect and he'd be horrified by the childish vitriol being aimed at TM by so-called Labour supporters. Yep, it could be argued that he's been subjected to vitriol for some time, but not by me. I believe he's misguided, but perhaps not as misguided as TM has been by her (now sacked) advisers
It remains to be seen whether she can act in a meaningful way as the Brexit talks begin, but without that pressing requirement, there's no doubt she'd be gone. My take on it is she's made her bed and should be made to lie in it until a way through to a longer-term position for the country becomes clear as the talks progress |
Not only did you second guess tm's views you now know jc's thoughts you really are deluded | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:33 - Jun 10 with 2041 views | roccydaleian |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:13 - Jun 10 by rochdaleriddler |
i no longer work in social housing, massive problems just before I left . I'm not in the loop anymore |
So, that'll be a no then. | | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:34 - Jun 10 with 2036 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:21 - Jun 10 by isitme |
Let's just say I have a close relationship with someone who is a solicitor for a housing association. So they know what they are talking about. |
You said those on the left requested it, source please. I don't need to know you are close to a solicitor who works in housing, I know a few, so what | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:35 - Jun 10 with 2029 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:33 - Jun 10 by roccydaleian |
So, that'll be a no then. |
No it means I do t have the figures, I know before I left it was a massive concern | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 22:16 - Jun 10 with 1987 views | isitme |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:30 - Jun 10 by 1mark1 |
"Regarding the payment to tenants rather than landlords this was something specifically requested by those on the left as paying directly to landlords was demeaning and belittling to those in receipt of housing benefit."
Not true. Was opposed by the Greens and many others, though don't know if the LP opposed it officially. Local authorities, and other social housing providers all against it, including local charities who look after people.
Re railways, no bonds required, as each franchise came to an end, it was to be ran by the state, using the money that would normally go to the private company. The issue of bonds, would have been for the other renationalised companies.
The amounts brought in by tax, could equally have been higher, with more people working, more investment, higher wages etc. No one knows for certain. |
I totally agree it is a bad idea, but it was introduced for precisely the reasons outlined whether you chose to believe me or not.
I said the bonds would not be for the railways, reread my earlier post. You still do not address the massive expense of this method. When Labour increased the top rate of tax for the highest earners it brought in no extra money. Hollande's tax policies in France raised no money. Hitting business with much higher taxes certainly does not help to create jobs. Evidence from similar policies previously and in other countries proves it. | | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 22:33 - Jun 10 with 1963 views | roccydaleian |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:35 - Jun 10 by rochdaleriddler |
No it means I do t have the figures, I know before I left it was a massive concern |
Fair enough.. Found this and it does show the concerns I think you mean. It's nearly twelve months old and mentions two evictions at the time, and is only one H.A. http://www.24housing.co.uk/news/universal-credit-forcing-landlords-into-eviction
Seems there were teething problems at first, which may have been resolved by now.
Suggers who posts on here occasionally should be able to throw some light on this subject. | | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 22:36 - Jun 10 with 1961 views | D_Alien |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 21:31 - Jun 10 by rochdaleriddler |
Not only did you second guess tm's views you now know jc's thoughts you really are deluded |
I'm just taking him at his word, concerning the level of political discourse
If you disagree you're calling him a liar
You should listen to what he has to say, you might learn something | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 23:59 - Jun 10 with 1898 views | Shun |
This thread has brought out some horrible sides in people, especially over the past few pages. Politics doesn't have to be debated with insults and aggression. I've enjoyed the debate on here over this campaign despite some of my favourite posters having completely different views to me, but the pages since the result came out have just been stupid. |  | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 10:37 - Jun 11 with 1734 views | Rosun |
Trees are green, not may.
Like the vet in Heywood, Peter Nutt,who married a girl called Hazel. |  | | |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 11:56 - Jun 11 with 1689 views | 442Dale |
My contribution to this thread: accidentally clicked one of those voting buttons. Apologies.
Like any of it matters more than Scotland not wearing red socks yesterday. |  |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 13:09 - Jun 11 with 1627 views | 1mark1 |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 23:59 - Jun 10 by Shun |
This thread has brought out some horrible sides in people, especially over the past few pages. Politics doesn't have to be debated with insults and aggression. I've enjoyed the debate on here over this campaign despite some of my favourite posters having completely different views to me, but the pages since the result came out have just been stupid. |
I want to apologise for any negative words I gave written. Personal attacks are not the way to go about debate.
People vote for political parties for many different reasons, doesn't make them thick, stupid etc.
One of the good things about this election, is the fact that the major media and press platforms, are not having the effect that they used to have in swaying the votes of people. | |
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| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 13:10 - Jun 11 with 1626 views | mingthemerciless |
| Corbyn as Prime Minister on 10:37 - Jun 11 by Rosun |
Trees are green, not may.
Like the vet in Heywood, Peter Nutt,who married a girl called Hazel. |
My sister law wanted to call her son Richard until my wife pointed out her married name was Head. Honestly ! | | | |
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