| Farage 20:44 - Apr 3 with 10208 views | Trundle10 |
Does he not have a point? |  | | |  |
| Farage on 20:52 - Apr 3 with 2588 views | yescomeon |
Lol |  |
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| Farage on 20:53 - Apr 3 with 2583 views | Trundle10 |
Elaborate please | | | |
| Farage on 20:53 - Apr 3 with 2583 views | yescomeon |
I would say no, it is my opinion, others are available. | |
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| Farage on 20:53 - Apr 3 with 2580 views | exiledclaseboy |
If you believe that all the problems the UK faces are the fault of immigration and the EU then yes I suppose you probably do feel that he has a point. |  |
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| Farage on 20:56 - Apr 3 with 2572 views | Trundle10 |
I Was commenting on his comments about the treatment of non British and indeed non European on the NHS. Not sure he was that out of order. [Post edited 3 Apr 2015 21:02]
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| Farage on 20:58 - Apr 3 with 2564 views | yescomeon |
| Farage on 20:56 - Apr 3 by Trundle10 |
I Was commenting on his comments about the treatment of non British and indeed non European on the NHS. Not sure he was that out of order. [Post edited 3 Apr 2015 21:02]
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But if they live and work here should they not be entitled to use the NHS? | |
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| Farage on 21:02 - Apr 3 with 2546 views | Andy1300 |
| Farage on 20:58 - Apr 3 by yescomeon |
But if they live and work here should they not be entitled to use the NHS? |
But if they don't then no they don't qualify |  |
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| Farage on 21:06 - Apr 3 with 2535 views | Trundle10 |
| Farage on 20:58 - Apr 3 by yescomeon |
But if they live and work here should they not be entitled to use the NHS? |
Not sure Is my honest answer. Farage was eluding to the fact we would treat anybody.full stop. People who have paid in all their lives are being denied drugs which are in some cases life changing because of the cost. Something is not right here. | | | |
| Farage on 21:07 - Apr 3 with 2533 views | PozuelosSideys |
Personally, i believe he has a point. But it is being put across poorly, there is very little substance behind it, is being used by racist idiots to their own ends and in turn gets hounded out by the left who prefer to stick their heads in the sand rather than broach the subject which clearly matters to many people.
I think it has a small impact on public services, although not to the extent that is being bandied about. But it has a massive impact on the local culture and the areas where immigration is high. These are similar complaints that are being heard in other areas of the EU, not just the UK.
There seems to be two main areas of moan. Those who live in the urban areas where immigration is high (i am one of them). Many come here and simply dont integrate. They dont speak the language and they effectively impart their culture and lifestyle on schools and other services. An example: - look around areas of London, Birmingham etc, and a very high percentage of school children (primary and secondary) do not speak english as a first language, and many not at all. How is that right?
On the other hand you have those from areas of fairly low immigration. Scotland, Wales, the North etc.. it has not impacted them in the way it has the South. Understandly they believe immigration is fine.. which of course it is. But in moderation.
Surely the Australian model has to be the way to move forward? I personally think it is sad that anyone who wishes to discuss this is hounded out as being 'racist'. Go and speak to any immigrant who has come here. Im friendly with plenty of Russians, Estonians, Bulgarians etc who have come here and they are more than happy to have the coversation. (yes, wow, its possible i know)
But the British mentality is 'STFU you racist'. Shame. [Post edited 3 Apr 2015 21:09]
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| Farage on 21:08 - Apr 3 with 2527 views | icecoldjack |
The problem is not immigration,race or anything like that . most of them come here and work,therefore pay tax the problem is your googles,vodaphones,amazons etc that owe around £20 billion in taxes, yet get to negotiate massive reductions and get to pay what they want not what they should
The UK government can tax the likes of Starbucks and all these leeches the full amount or just fook em off but they choose not to, instead ensuring that themselves and their spawn gets well looked after with top level jobs at executive level instead, fook the poor and the helpless just feather the nest of the rich and wealthy and make the divide between richer and poorer as big as its ever been.
Get those fookers to pay their way and cuts wouldn't be needed anywhere!
Farange is a tool of big buisiness, a classic divide and rule kind of guy, i don't especially dislike him as he is the same as most other politicians, out for themselves and fook everyone else. |  | | |
| Farage on 21:15 - Apr 3 with 2508 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Farage on 21:06 - Apr 3 by Trundle10 |
Not sure Is my honest answer. Farage was eluding to the fact we would treat anybody.full stop. People who have paid in all their lives are being denied drugs which are in some cases life changing because of the cost. Something is not right here. |
He specifically referenced foreign HIV sufferers. Why do you think he did that? Why do you think he didn't talk about foreign cancer sufferers? Or heart disease patients? Why HIV patients when they are undoubtedly among the lowest number the NHS treats? | |
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| Farage on 21:16 - Apr 3 with 2507 views | Darran |
Send em back to where they've come from. |  |
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| Farage on 21:19 - Apr 3 with 2500 views | Trundle10 |
| Farage on 21:15 - Apr 3 by exiledclaseboy |
He specifically referenced foreign HIV sufferers. Why do you think he did that? Why do you think he didn't talk about foreign cancer sufferers? Or heart disease patients? Why HIV patients when they are undoubtedly among the lowest number the NHS treats? |
Same applies tho. | | | |
| Farage on 21:20 - Apr 3 with 2498 views | yescomeon |
| Farage on 21:02 - Apr 3 by Andy1300 |
But if they don't then no they don't qualify |
Farage said nothing about that, he said that 60% of 7000 people in the country receiving treatment for HIV were not British nationals. I am sitting down and having a look at the breakdown of the immigration figures, first thing that strikes me is that 133,000 people that came here are non-EU students, their tuition fee is £15kpa. That's just shy of £6 billion to UK universities, if all of them stay for 3 years (most will then leave). They will also spend money on food tourism etc. lets say £10kpa (arbitrary figure) that's almost £4 billion into the economy. Another 66,000 are EU students lets say that's £19kpa (£9kpa tuition) there is £3.7 billion from them. I would also say that most of them would be housed in student accommodation and HMO's. | |
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| Farage on 21:23 - Apr 3 with 2487 views | ItchySphincter |
| Farage on 21:16 - Apr 3 by Darran |
Send em back to where they've come from. |
Aaarff...
Sounds like I should think myself lucky that I missed it. |  |
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| Farage on 21:25 - Apr 3 with 2481 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Farage on 21:20 - Apr 3 by yescomeon |
Farage said nothing about that, he said that 60% of 7000 people in the country receiving treatment for HIV were not British nationals. I am sitting down and having a look at the breakdown of the immigration figures, first thing that strikes me is that 133,000 people that came here are non-EU students, their tuition fee is £15kpa. That's just shy of £6 billion to UK universities, if all of them stay for 3 years (most will then leave). They will also spend money on food tourism etc. lets say £10kpa (arbitrary figure) that's almost £4 billion into the economy. Another 66,000 are EU students lets say that's £19kpa (£9kpa tuition) there is £3.7 billion from them. I would also say that most of them would be housed in student accommodation and HMO's. |
Hello mate
Can i see those numbers?
Reason being 133,000 Non -EU students doesnt necessarily mean tuition fee paying Uni students. Lots come here just to learn English in piddley little colleges and side-schools. Many of whom qualify for state funding. | |
| "Michu, Britton and Williams could have won 3-0 on their own. They wouldn't have required a keeper." | | Poll: | Hattricks |
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| Farage on 21:26 - Apr 3 with 2477 views | exiledclaseboy |
Immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy. They bring in more than they take out. A fact that's often overlooked. The cultural and social arguments are a different kettle of fish but the economic anti-immigration arguments don't hold water. | |
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| Farage on 21:29 - Apr 3 with 2457 views | Trundle10 |
Should the NHS bear the burden of this tho. Should we be treating everybody? | | | |
| Farage on 21:34 - Apr 3 with 2440 views | yescomeon |
| Farage on 21:25 - Apr 3 by PozuelosSideys |
Hello mate
Can i see those numbers?
Reason being 133,000 Non -EU students doesnt necessarily mean tuition fee paying Uni students. Lots come here just to learn English in piddley little colleges and side-schools. Many of whom qualify for state funding. |
No problem mate, they are for last year and are from the office of national statistics (link below). I was simply making a back of the envelope calculation its not going to be exact but it was just to illustrate a point.
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration1/migration-statistics-quarterly-report/f | |
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| Farage on 21:35 - Apr 3 with 2437 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Farage on 21:26 - Apr 3 by exiledclaseboy |
Immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy. They bring in more than they take out. A fact that's often overlooked. The cultural and social arguments are a different kettle of fish but the economic anti-immigration arguments don't hold water. |
Depends on how thats measured though shirley?
Government stats will show that, but we've seen what they do with unemployment stats, so they need to be questioned.
FWIW, i do think its net contribution, immigrants are always painted as being there with the begging bowl and for some thats true. But there are an awful lot who contribute plenty. | |
| "Michu, Britton and Williams could have won 3-0 on their own. They wouldn't have required a keeper." | | Poll: | Hattricks |
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| Farage on 21:42 - Apr 3 with 2422 views | yescomeon |
Also I do not think it is racist to talk about immigration or to say there should be controls on immigration or to suggest that there should be an upper limit. | |
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| Farage on 21:44 - Apr 3 with 2412 views | yescomeon |
I would also add that people are not being denied medicine due to cost because of non-British nationals using the NHS. There are so many drugs out there and there is a branch of statistics dedicate to deciding on the most efficient course of treatment. | |
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| Farage on 21:45 - Apr 3 with 2411 views | PozuelosSideys |
Thanks. 624,000 immigrated to the UK in 2014...wow! I appreciate the net figure is lower, but thats effetively replacing a British person with a Non Dom +1 a year.. and the curve is moving upwards YoY. Thats a pretty hefty shift whichever way you look at it.
Think that 192k (132k Non EU) number is for all forms of Educaton though, not just Uni. So many wont pay anywhere near those fees. The majority of that 132k will be college etc to learn English and will then move straight into employment without going to Uni (they cant afford the fees!). Not necessarily a bad thing mind - i dated a fantastic Columbian for a year who did that - ooph!
Interesting stats, always good to dig a bit deeper. Cant be fcked with the soundbites politicians use these days, its all Ballacks. | |
| "Michu, Britton and Williams could have won 3-0 on their own. They wouldn't have required a keeper." | | Poll: | Hattricks |
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| Farage on 21:49 - Apr 3 with 2390 views | LeonisGod |
| Farage on 21:29 - Apr 3 by Trundle10 |
Should the NHS bear the burden of this tho. Should we be treating everybody? |
If people live here, then yes. That's why the service was set up in the first place. The point about people having to wait a period of time before being able to access services sounds good in principle. But imagine a student arriving here, new country, no family, no or few friends, and their appendix bursts within a month of the arriving. What do you do if they don't have enough money to go private? I'd like to think we'd look after such a person as we would ourselves.
Having said that, i also know Eastern Europeans who've needed treatment and have gone back to their home countries because they believe the quality is better than in the UK. so it's probably not as one-sided as Farage says. |  | | |
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