| Farage 20:44 - Apr 3 with 10210 views | Trundle10 |
Does he not have a point? |  | | |  |
| Farage on 19:17 - Apr 4 with 1237 views | Trundle10 |
| Farage on 15:00 - Apr 4 by londonlisa2001 |
I didn't mean you - I was only replying to your post on the numbers etc. I'm sorry if it sounded that way.
But that is exactly why he used HIV as the example rather than another disease. It really was - it's a less 'sympathetic' disease for the thickos in this country - his research will have shown him that.
Why else pick on a disease that has such low numbers receiving treatment?
And it may well sound condescending that stupid people associate the disease with those groups, but they do. That's how awful Farage is - he is preying on the stupidity of people. He knows he can only get the votes of the people that feel threatened by immigrants. You know as well as I do that people that feel threatened by groups of immigrants are only one of two things - racists or people that are at the lower end of society.
That may be unpalatable to say, but it's true - it always has been. People higher up the social scale aren't threatened by immigration - rightly or wrongly they believe that the immigrants are not an issue for them.
That is not to say that uncontrolled immigration is right, or that immigration is not putting some vital infrastructure under strain - it certainly is in some parts of the country and there needs to be a proper debate about it without people like Farage stirring up hatred and racism with irrelevancies.
And it's got nothing to do with the accuracy of his figures. If the number is 90% and the total being treated is only in the single thousands, then that is not causing the slightest dent in the NHS budget.
I personally, would rather a person who was HIV positive be treated on the NHS (wherever they come from) than someone be given gastric band surgery. I'm sorry if that doesn't agree with your view or anyone else's, but it's my view. |
I have never crossed swords with you previously Lisa, but i will say, that you do not come across very well. Very condescending.
Anyway, back on topic, why should the NHS treat non GB people if they have never paid into the pot irrespective of illness? Direct question... and before you come out with your flowery rubbish, why don't the other big countries offer the same "service" [Post edited 4 Apr 2015 19:42]
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| Farage on 20:01 - Apr 4 with 1199 views | perchrockjack |
Lisa is ok.
We re crossing swords at the moment but that s fine.
She s got a good heart and that s the main thing.
I might be wrong though |  |
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| Farage on 21:04 - Apr 4 with 1165 views | Lord_Bony |
Interesting that.
EU immigrants contribute far more in taxes than they take on welfare.
Remember,many employers are struggling hard to find british people willing to work and take up the vacancies on offer.s a result they have no alternative but to employ foreign workers as it's really not worth their while for locals to come off the benefit system.
FACT [Post edited 4 Apr 2015 21:06]
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| Farage on 21:10 - Apr 4 with 1164 views | skippyjack |
I just debunked the myth |  |
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| Farage on 21:21 - Apr 4 with 1152 views | waynekerr55 |
| Farage on 20:01 - Apr 4 by perchrockjack |
Lisa is ok.
We re crossing swords at the moment but that s fine.
She s got a good heart and that s the main thing.
I might be wrong though |
She's bang on the money about the free prescriptions fiasco. Why should people who can afford to pay get it for free? |  |
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| Farage on 21:35 - Apr 4 with 1131 views | safe_jack |
Having studied health economics briefly in one of my modules last year, immigration never came up in the lectures or the readings as an issue with regards to the NHS.
In fact, if anything an ageing population is the biggest concern in terms of demographics. Immigration doesn't even register as a major issue. Rising cost of treatments and people living longer are the main issues that NHS costs keep rising. To use quote from a textbook about health economics, "There is an irony here. When we consider both curative and preventative medicine, ultimately the more successful you are the more it costs you".
The majority of immigration into the UK are of working age and are not in much need of the NHS. British migration to other EU countries, notably Spain, is much more harmful than the migration we get here in relation to healthcare. ( http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21635041-britain-imports-young-sprightly-m
Oh and health tourism, what is Nigel Farage referring to? There are people who do travel to get better healthcare but they would pay for it privately. Is he suggesting that people deliberately migrate to the UK just for healthcare? I guess that argument falls through, as it does about migrants just coming to here to claim benefits when in fact most come to work, who are also net contributors to the economy. | | | |
| Farage on 21:36 - Apr 4 with 1127 views | Witneyjack |
Farage is right about foreign aid. As I've said on the debate thread, why are we sending £280 million per annum to India, which has it's own space programme? |  | | |
| Farage on 21:54 - Apr 4 with 1098 views | Lord_Bony |
Some good points on here from both sides of the fence.
Can we really tell people who are sick and disabled not to come here we only want young fit healthy,workers? I don't know what goes on there at the Border Control when they give out work permits.
One thing that puzzles me is why would EU citizens come to this country for treatment when the NHS service is pretty bad compared to other countries in the EU...they can get free treatment in any one of them. France and Germany have a far better system than ours.
In a recent report the NHS came 12th of all the EU countries for treatment, service and efficiency.that's way behind countries like Cyprus and Turkey FFs!
Far better countries to go too for treatment of Aids and as has been pointed out,the old generation of Brits who live in Spain and the algarve put a HUGE strain on their health service which is way underfunded...I've seen it with my own eyes...we can't really complain or they will send them back to us! | |
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| Farage on 07:46 - Apr 5 with 1047 views | JimmyGilligan |
| Farage on 11:02 - Apr 4 by Brynmill_Jack |
Bailing the banks out without thinking it through properly was another. But Nigel would be in full support of that. They're his mates, see.
It's a pity some of the working class who are being led cleverly by the nose by Farage into race arguments can't see the man for what he is. No friend of the working class for one thing. |
This is exactly what baffles me about their apparent popularity. It seems that people considering voting for UKIP are the kind of people who if they had the balls would vote BNP; UKIP are just a more media friendly, and as a result acceptable version.
Any average working person voting for them, or any party with right-wing views for that matter, imo are closet racists and are completely ignoring the wider issues.
I would like it if the UKIP sympathisers on here could show me one other UKIP policy, that has nothing to do with immigration, that they agree with which they think will serve them well in daily life.
In the event of a hung parliament that is leaning to the right, there is a very good chance that UKIP will 'get into bed' with the Tories. Please, please explain to me how an extreme right-wing government will do anybody any good?
5 more years of Tories will destroy the life of the average person in this country, you'll be eating cold beans out of a tin whilst the Westminster elite will be sipping champagne laughing; but then you will still be better off than the vulnerable people in our society, whose tin of beans will have to have been given to them by a food bank.
Before you vote this year please do your research and don't be swayed by a soundbite, and/or a single policy you've heard or seen. It is a very dangerous way to go. |  | | |
| Farage on 07:56 - Apr 5 with 1034 views | dgt73 |
| Farage on 07:46 - Apr 5 by JimmyGilligan |
This is exactly what baffles me about their apparent popularity. It seems that people considering voting for UKIP are the kind of people who if they had the balls would vote BNP; UKIP are just a more media friendly, and as a result acceptable version.
Any average working person voting for them, or any party with right-wing views for that matter, imo are closet racists and are completely ignoring the wider issues.
I would like it if the UKIP sympathisers on here could show me one other UKIP policy, that has nothing to do with immigration, that they agree with which they think will serve them well in daily life.
In the event of a hung parliament that is leaning to the right, there is a very good chance that UKIP will 'get into bed' with the Tories. Please, please explain to me how an extreme right-wing government will do anybody any good?
5 more years of Tories will destroy the life of the average person in this country, you'll be eating cold beans out of a tin whilst the Westminster elite will be sipping champagne laughing; but then you will still be better off than the vulnerable people in our society, whose tin of beans will have to have been given to them by a food bank.
Before you vote this year please do your research and don't be swayed by a soundbite, and/or a single policy you've heard or seen. It is a very dangerous way to go. |
There are many policy's from ukip that would benefit me and the vast majority of the British people. I just googled their policy's and apart from them wanting to scrap HS2 agree with what they want and say. They will be getting my vote next month. |  |
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| Farage on 07:58 - Apr 5 with 1032 views | JimmyGilligan |
| Farage on 07:56 - Apr 5 by dgt73 |
There are many policy's from ukip that would benefit me and the vast majority of the British people. I just googled their policy's and apart from them wanting to scrap HS2 agree with what they want and say. They will be getting my vote next month. |
please show me them and tell me how they benefit people | | | |
| Farage on 08:11 - Apr 5 with 1027 views | dgt73 |
| Farage on 07:58 - Apr 5 by JimmyGilligan |
please show me them and tell me how they benefit people |
They will abolish inheritance tax...which would be good. They would introduce a 35% tax for earners between £42285-£55000 ( hardly what you'd call rich people) which would be good. They would save the 8 billion £ net contribution sent to the EU, which then could be spent in this country. That's just for starters. [Post edited 5 Apr 2015 8:20]
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| Farage on 08:13 - Apr 5 with 1019 views | dgt73 |
Just google ukip policy's for the people and it's all there. | |
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| Farage on 08:18 - Apr 5 with 1015 views | jackportis |
He looks like crazy frog. |  |
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| Farage on 08:24 - Apr 5 with 1006 views | JimmyGilligan |
| Farage on 08:11 - Apr 5 by dgt73 |
They will abolish inheritance tax...which would be good. They would introduce a 35% tax for earners between £42285-£55000 ( hardly what you'd call rich people) which would be good. They would save the 8 billion £ net contribution sent to the EU, which then could be spent in this country. That's just for starters. [Post edited 5 Apr 2015 8:20]
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Congratulations you have been encouraged to start doing a bit of research.
I've been in employment for 20 odd years and have never been on a wage anywhere even approaching £42k, which I would guess would be the same for a lot of people in this part of the world. I would definitely consider these people considerably richer than me.
Interesting how you've worded 'how they will introduce a 35% tax'. Which is a reduction, whether you like it or not...for high earners, compared to the vast majority of everyday people in South Wales. This does not benefit anyone but the rich.
You are equally vague on your other 'highlights'.
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| Farage on 08:57 - Apr 5 with 988 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Farage on 21:36 - Apr 4 by Witneyjack |
Farage is right about foreign aid. As I've said on the debate thread, why are we sending £280 million per annum to India, which has it's own space programme? |
Foreign aid is investment, it's not just giving money away. It encourages developing countries to invest in the UK as they continue to develop. The idea that governments, any government, just gives cash away without expecting anything in return is fanciful. |  |
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| Farage on 09:30 - Apr 5 with 960 views | dgt73 |
| Farage on 08:24 - Apr 5 by JimmyGilligan |
Congratulations you have been encouraged to start doing a bit of research.
I've been in employment for 20 odd years and have never been on a wage anywhere even approaching £42k, which I would guess would be the same for a lot of people in this part of the world. I would definitely consider these people considerably richer than me.
Interesting how you've worded 'how they will introduce a 35% tax'. Which is a reduction, whether you like it or not...for high earners, compared to the vast majority of everyday people in South Wales. This does not benefit anyone but the rich.
You are equally vague on your other 'highlights'.
Try again. |
Just because someone earns more than you does not mean they are rich. Also the more you tax people the less tax you end up with. | |
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| Farage on 09:31 - Apr 5 with 959 views | Starsky |
| Farage on 08:57 - Apr 5 by exiledclaseboy |
Foreign aid is investment, it's not just giving money away. It encourages developing countries to invest in the UK as they continue to develop. The idea that governments, any government, just gives cash away without expecting anything in return is fanciful. |
Can you expand on how India will invest in the UK?
I hope you don't mean the ever expanding, really annoying, call centres/customer services? |  |
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| Farage on 09:32 - Apr 5 with 957 views | Witneyjack |
| Farage on 08:57 - Apr 5 by exiledclaseboy |
Foreign aid is investment, it's not just giving money away. It encourages developing countries to invest in the UK as they continue to develop. The idea that governments, any government, just gives cash away without expecting anything in return is fanciful. |
I don't doubt it, but it's sold to the masses as aid/assistance/help. Surely a country that has it's own space programme doesn't need that investment. | | | |
| Farage on 09:40 - Apr 5 with 948 views | dgt73 |
| Farage on 09:32 - Apr 5 by Witneyjack |
I don't doubt it, but it's sold to the masses as aid/assistance/help. Surely a country that has it's own space programme doesn't need that investment. |
Why doesn't India give the UK foreign aid (investment lol) after all the UK businesses invest billions each year in that country and coming to think of it why is this investment that ECB calls it lol a one way street, in other words we give the money but no other country gives us aid sorry i mean investment in this way.  | |
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| Farage on 10:12 - Apr 5 with 926 views | JimmyGilligan |
| Farage on 09:30 - Apr 5 by dgt73 |
Just because someone earns more than you does not mean they are rich. Also the more you tax people the less tax you end up with. |
I said rich 'compared to me' and the likes of me, of which there are millions. I asked you to point out how their policies benefit the average working person, which you haven't and you can't, because they don't. Which totally proves my point that a large portion of their votes are going to come from people who are closet racists and from people who would be much better served by moving to the left.
You have your reasons for voting UKIP which as someone who clearly falls into a very respectable wage bracket is fine, and I would expect nothing less. You just better hope and pray that you or any of your loved ones don't fall on hard times if/when your choice are in power. Because they won't give a flying one. [Post edited 5 Apr 2015 10:13]
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