| Farage 20:44 - Apr 3 with 10209 views | Trundle10 |
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| Farage on 21:53 - Apr 3 with 1427 views | perchrockjack |
I'm wondering why lovely leanne was so outraged as Rhondda is one of the least ethnically diverse areas anywhere.
Answer could be political point scoring.
Forage speaks for many who haven't the guts they admit they do.
Without question, it's easy to pour scorn on him for public consumption.
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| Farage on 21:55 - Apr 3 with 1429 views | Trundle10 |
In reply to - "If people live here, then yes. That's why the service was set up in the first place. The point about people having to wait a period of time before being able to access services sounds good in principle. But imagine a student arriving here, new country, no family, no or few friends, and their appendix bursts within a month of the arriving. What do you do if they don't have enough money to go private? I'd like to think we'd look after such a person as we would ourselves. "
Where do you draw the line tho? Perhaps insurance should be a pre requisite? [Post edited 3 Apr 2015 22:00]
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| Farage on 21:59 - Apr 3 with 1413 views | perchrockjack |
Well it don't apply to the rather excellent range of Rumanian criminals making a good living from us mugs...and yes they are clasie ..big time | |
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| Farage on 22:04 - Apr 3 with 1400 views | yescomeon |
| Farage on 21:45 - Apr 3 by PozuelosSideys |
Thanks. 624,000 immigrated to the UK in 2014...wow! I appreciate the net figure is lower, but thats effetively replacing a British person with a Non Dom +1 a year.. and the curve is moving upwards YoY. Thats a pretty hefty shift whichever way you look at it.
Think that 192k (132k Non EU) number is for all forms of Educaton though, not just Uni. So many wont pay anywhere near those fees. The majority of that 132k will be college etc to learn English and will then move straight into employment without going to Uni (they cant afford the fees!). Not necessarily a bad thing mind - i dated a fantastic Columbian for a year who did that - ooph!
Interesting stats, always good to dig a bit deeper. Cant be fcked with the soundbites politicians use these days, its all Ballacks. |
Yeah I accept that it covers all forms of education but to make my life easier I just assumed that university would be the majority, but I do concede that the figures I used may be an overestimate, but the contribution of international students to the economy shouldn't be ignored. The total immigration number is large but I had a look at immigration figure for similar EU economies and we are nothing out of the ordinary. I was also surprised to find in my research that the net migration figure for last year is actually higher births minus deaths, make of that what you will. I must admit that I have done well for myself with foreign student girls in the past so this may introduce a bias. |  |
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| Farage on 22:09 - Apr 3 with 1390 views | LeonisGod |
| Farage on 22:04 - Apr 3 by yescomeon |
Yeah I accept that it covers all forms of education but to make my life easier I just assumed that university would be the majority, but I do concede that the figures I used may be an overestimate, but the contribution of international students to the economy shouldn't be ignored. The total immigration number is large but I had a look at immigration figure for similar EU economies and we are nothing out of the ordinary. I was also surprised to find in my research that the net migration figure for last year is actually higher births minus deaths, make of that what you will. I must admit that I have done well for myself with foreign student girls in the past so this may introduce a bias. |
Well, universities only want this figure to go up. Swansea Uni is marketing itself globally these days and putting more and more effort into its overseas links. |  | | |
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| Farage on 22:17 - Apr 3 with 1377 views | yescomeon |
| Farage on 22:09 - Apr 3 by LeonisGod |
Well, universities only want this figure to go up. Swansea Uni is marketing itself globally these days and putting more and more effort into its overseas links. |
I haven't been back to Swansea University since I graduated but I would think that most universities are doing this now. It seems they are being run more and more like businesses there to make a profit. | |
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| Farage on 01:44 - Apr 4 with 1316 views | ScoobyWho |
| Farage on 21:29 - Apr 3 by Trundle10 |
Should the NHS bear the burden of this tho. Should we be treating everybody? |
If they pay in they should be able to take out, or the country they come from should have their health system reviewed and they should be offered what a UK national would be offered if they were in that country. Too much pss taking going on. |  |
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| Farage on 06:18 - Apr 4 with 1298 views | Lord_Bony |
Don't forget for people to immigrate here is very difficult from outside of the EU. We already have in place a system similar to the Australian points system whereby we ensure we take in only the cream of the crop,people with skills we have a shortage of.
The vast majority of people who immigrate to the UK to stay are EU citizens.
For anyone from outside of the EU to come here and claim benefits etc is nigh on impossible. [Post edited 4 Apr 2015 6:19]
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| Farage on 06:28 - Apr 4 with 1290 views | dgt73 |
| Farage on 06:18 - Apr 4 by Lord_Bony |
Don't forget for people to immigrate here is very difficult from outside of the EU. We already have in place a system similar to the Australian points system whereby we ensure we take in only the cream of the crop,people with skills we have a shortage of.
The vast majority of people who immigrate to the UK to stay are EU citizens.
For anyone from outside of the EU to come here and claim benefits etc is nigh on impossible. [Post edited 4 Apr 2015 6:19]
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And EU immigration is a huge problem............ |  |
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| Farage on 06:35 - Apr 4 with 1289 views | Lord_Bony |
| Farage on 06:28 - Apr 4 by dgt73 |
And EU immigration is a huge problem............ |
Agreed but that's a different matter.
The problem sometimes is that immigrants choose a loophole to become citizens of an EU country that is easy to get in. Once they become citizens they are free to travel here and claim for everything we have...as are we entitled to do the same in other EU countries. | |
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| Farage on 07:38 - Apr 4 with 1273 views | Starsky |
| Farage on 06:35 - Apr 4 by Lord_Bony |
Agreed but that's a different matter.
The problem sometimes is that immigrants choose a loophole to become citizens of an EU country that is easy to get in. Once they become citizens they are free to travel here and claim for everything we have...as are we entitled to do the same in other EU countries. |
Yes but how many of us are rushing to Poland or Romania to live?
The flow majority is one way.
If the people coming into the UK are contributing to our country, how come the hospitals are overstretched?
The hospitals should be expanded to allow for the increasing number of UK residents... But they're not are they?
Don't mind controlled immigration but the governments don't adapt the country to cope. |  |
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| Farage on 08:21 - Apr 4 with 1257 views | yescomeon |
| Farage on 07:38 - Apr 4 by Starsky |
Yes but how many of us are rushing to Poland or Romania to live?
The flow majority is one way.
If the people coming into the UK are contributing to our country, how come the hospitals are overstretched?
The hospitals should be expanded to allow for the increasing number of UK residents... But they're not are they?
Don't mind controlled immigration but the governments don't adapt the country to cope. |
I will admit that one thing I did agree with Farage with on was that it was probably short sighted to have allowed some of the more recent additions to the EU, but this is not solely a problem for the UK. The problem will get better as the situation improves in these new countries. I'm sure those immigrating from these countries for work would much rather they were able to live and work in their own country. | |
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| Farage on 08:48 - Apr 4 with 1239 views | jackb |
He does have a point
Because he's a prick |  | | |
| Farage on 08:58 - Apr 4 with 1230 views | Dr_Winston |
EU migrants are already time bound in their access to certain benefits. Wouldn't be surprised to see something similar occur with regards to the NHS. |  |
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| Farage on 09:00 - Apr 4 with 1226 views | Darran |
| Farage on 08:48 - Apr 4 by jackb |
He does have a point
Because he's a prick |
I don't often agree with you Bristol but you're spot on here. |  |
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| Farage on 10:27 - Apr 4 with 1195 views | DDCH |
The only thing that Farage said that concerned me was when he said our foreign aid gift budget is £10billion a year. Seems strange that we are spending £400 building and equipping a new hospital under PFI and then paying it back twice over for the next 30 years when we gave away £10b in one year. |  |
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| Farage on 10:29 - Apr 4 with 1194 views | Dull1Thomas |
| Farage on 21:07 - Apr 3 by PozuelosSideys |
Personally, i believe he has a point. But it is being put across poorly, there is very little substance behind it, is being used by racist idiots to their own ends and in turn gets hounded out by the left who prefer to stick their heads in the sand rather than broach the subject which clearly matters to many people.
I think it has a small impact on public services, although not to the extent that is being bandied about. But it has a massive impact on the local culture and the areas where immigration is high. These are similar complaints that are being heard in other areas of the EU, not just the UK.
There seems to be two main areas of moan. Those who live in the urban areas where immigration is high (i am one of them). Many come here and simply dont integrate. They dont speak the language and they effectively impart their culture and lifestyle on schools and other services. An example: - look around areas of London, Birmingham etc, and a very high percentage of school children (primary and secondary) do not speak english as a first language, and many not at all. How is that right?
On the other hand you have those from areas of fairly low immigration. Scotland, Wales, the North etc.. it has not impacted them in the way it has the South. Understandly they believe immigration is fine.. which of course it is. But in moderation.
Surely the Australian model has to be the way to move forward? I personally think it is sad that anyone who wishes to discuss this is hounded out as being 'racist'. Go and speak to any immigrant who has come here. Im friendly with plenty of Russians, Estonians, Bulgarians etc who have come here and they are more than happy to have the coversation. (yes, wow, its possible i know)
But the British mentality is 'STFU you racist'. Shame. [Post edited 3 Apr 2015 21:09]
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' But it is being put across poorly,'
No it isn't - he's mastered the 'art of oracle', i.e. phrasing things in a way he can claim or deny depending on how he can gain most support or sympathy.
The TV debate thing (waste of time really) showed him up to be completely out of his depth. I really thought he'd win huge approval as he's very good at manipulating the media, but he was a bit of wreck.
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| Farage on 10:41 - Apr 4 with 1179 views | C_jack |
He was talking about health tourism, the desperation of some to paint it as if he was blaming the problems of the NHS on immigrants, is pathetic..
The NHS is the national health service, not the World Health Service, it's simple economics to state that we cannot afford people to come here and abuse the system. How on earth could anyone disagree with that?
Why should unwell/ill people be coming here simply to be treated by the NHS? [Post edited 4 Apr 2015 10:42]
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| Farage on 10:44 - Apr 4 with 1173 views | ItchySphincter |
I bet Cameron and Milliband wish they could come out with some of guff that Farage spouts. |  |
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| Farage on 11:02 - Apr 4 with 1153 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Farage on 21:08 - Apr 3 by icecoldjack |
The problem is not immigration,race or anything like that . most of them come here and work,therefore pay tax the problem is your googles,vodaphones,amazons etc that owe around £20 billion in taxes, yet get to negotiate massive reductions and get to pay what they want not what they should
The UK government can tax the likes of Starbucks and all these leeches the full amount or just fook em off but they choose not to, instead ensuring that themselves and their spawn gets well looked after with top level jobs at executive level instead, fook the poor and the helpless just feather the nest of the rich and wealthy and make the divide between richer and poorer as big as its ever been.
Get those fookers to pay their way and cuts wouldn't be needed anywhere!
Farange is a tool of big buisiness, a classic divide and rule kind of guy, i don't especially dislike him as he is the same as most other politicians, out for themselves and fook everyone else. |
Bailing the banks out without thinking it through properly was another. But Nigel would be in full support of that. They're his mates, see.
It's a pity some of the working class who are being led cleverly by the nose by Farage into race arguments can't see the man for what he is. No friend of the working class for one thing. |  |
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| Farage on 11:25 - Apr 4 with 1133 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Farage on 11:02 - Apr 4 by Brynmill_Jack |
Bailing the banks out without thinking it through properly was another. But Nigel would be in full support of that. They're his mates, see.
It's a pity some of the working class who are being led cleverly by the nose by Farage into race arguments can't see the man for what he is. No friend of the working class for one thing. |
spot on bryn
sadly alot of let's say for some people on here "the average man" (working class) are going to vote for his party. |  |
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