| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 14:40 - Sep 13 with 1299 views | SuddenLad |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 13:31 - Sep 13 by dingdangblue |
I think the only way that wouldve happened was if the report had revealed that it wasnt Liverpool v Nottingham Forest after all - it was Manchester Utd v Nottingham Forest! |
In all probability, if the supporters of Nottingham Forest & Liverpool had each been allocated the opposite ends of the ground on the day, there wouldn't have been a disaster, but even doing that would probably only have delayed the tragedy until a later date. |  |
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 15:56 - Sep 13 with 1255 views | firgrovedale51 |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 16:35 - Sep 12 by D_Alien |
Count me in as being "blind" too.
Drunken fans attempting to gain unpaid admission ON VIDEO are drunken fans behaving reprehensively, wherever they're from.
But sorry, I'm biased, aren't I? |
Yes you are read the reports or dont you believe those either it is there in black and white |  | | |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 15:59 - Sep 13 with 1252 views | D_Alien |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 15:56 - Sep 13 by firgrovedale51 |
Yes you are read the reports or dont you believe those either it is there in black and white |
And read my further post about people coming on here with benefit of hindsight - the full evidence only came out yesterday.
But of course, you had prior knowledge of all this when you posted, didn't you? |  |
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 16:09 - Sep 13 with 1244 views | firgrovedale51 |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 17:23 - Sep 12 by MoonyDale |
So you obviously never saw the footage on the day then? or You are the one choosing to be blind, are you saying the film footage was fabricated? live on TV watched by god knows how many....Are you completely deluded? You are not worth arguing with if you can deny the evidence witnessed live.......I suppose man never landed on the moon either ...... |
2 Points
1. Ä° said Ä° did not believe Liverpool fans were blameless
2. No Ä° dont believe man has landed on the moon least of all the Yanks
Read part of the report below now who is deluded? You have no argument read my post Ä° will repeat bas you seem to have a problem understanding i AM NOT SAYÄ°NG LÄ°VERPOOL WERE BLAMELESS there you go try again.
Sir Norman was an off-duty South Yorkshire Police inspector when he attended the game, and was involved in an internal inquiry held by the force in its aftermath.
He said: "Fans' behaviour, to the extent that it was relevant at all, made the job of the police, in the crush outside Leppings Lane turnstiles, harder than it needed to be. But it didn't cause the disaster any more than the sunny day that encouraged people to linger outside the stadium as kick off approached. I held those views then, I hold them now. I have never, since hearing the Taylor evidence unfold, offered any other interpretation in public or private
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 16:11 - Sep 13 with 1243 views | EllGazzell |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 12:14 - Sep 13 by MoonyDale |
EllGazell I have no idea what you are talking about, Not one of my posts have been about Thatcher at all.......All my posts have been about the football side of this dual subject thread, if you would care to show me otherwise I will stand corrected but as you will not be able to do so I will await your response..... |
Yeah, sorry about that. Last comment unequivocally retracted. I confused you with Pioneer. |  |
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 16:34 - Sep 13 with 1220 views | D_Alien |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 11:54 - Sep 13 by SuddenLad |
My opinion for what it's worth as a well-travelled football supporter and someone old enough to recall events of 40 years ago.
Hindsight is a fantastic tool to use, but we have to remember (those of us who can !) the 'football hooligan' culture of the day and the fact that Police, Politicians and the Public were fed up to the back teeth of weekly events and regular news reports involving public disorder, drunkenness, sporadic violence and destruction that accompanied football fixtures. They weren't urban myths, they were facts and had to be dealt with on a weekly basis.
Also, though relatively rare, there had also been incidents of people being killed as a result of these outbreaks of disorder at football matches. A 14 year-old Blackpool fan had been stabbed to death at Bloomfield Road when Bolton Wanderers were the visitors and a supporter was killed when a wall collapsed during a mass fight in the Leeds United v Birmingham fixture a couple of seasons before Hillsborough. Rioting between supporters of some London clubs was almost commonplace.
There had also been many instances in the 1970's and 1980's when fans who were denied access to football grounds simply went on the rampage and caused untold damage and destruction in the areas surrounding football grounds.
It therefore became THE major priority to prevent public disorder rather than prioritise the actual football element of the day. Needless to say, supporters of the larger clubs who travelled in vast numbers soon got used to the idea that they would be admitted to grounds, even without tickets, simply because in doing so they were easier to control in a closed environment, than they were if allowed to maraud in teeming mobs around the locality.
That was the 'mindset' of the time. Travelling groups of football supporters (of any club) were a potential source of serious problems. Parliament, Police, Press, the FA and the general public had demanded that these supporters were treated 'robustly' and that preventing disorder was a priority.
From that point of view, it is a sad and unfortunate coincidence that the Heysel disaster had occurred only 4 years prior to Hillsborough AND that Liverpool fans had been instrumental in causing the deaths of 33 Juventus supporters. Some Liverpool were subsequently imprisoned for their parts in the tragedy. Because of that disaster, the public had their views further reinforced about football supporters.
Heysel had shocked the nation. It was still very much fresh in the minds of everyone and had served only to reinforce attitudes towards the way in which football matches were policed and in the way that supporters were controlled. It had been a watershed moment. (It's one of those 'I remember where I was when I saw it' moments - such was the impact).
Nobody doubts that much of what happened at Hillsborough was avoidable but we can't apply 21st Century thought to a 20th Century problem.
Yesterdays' report has served only to confirm what many people had thought for years. There was a 'blame culture' at work and because of (then) recent events and the entrenched attitudes of a 'fed-up' society it was easy to throw the responsibility onto the Liverpool supporters.
That said, anyone responsible for altering statements, concocting evidence to distort the truth or simply lying about what happened deserves everything coming their way. Whether any successful prosecutions are feasible after so long remains to be seen.
However, what shouldn't be forgotten is that the Hillsborough disaster wasn't solely the responsibility of the Police (which many Liverpudlians would have you believe) though without question they were completely overwhelmed and found seriously wanting on the day.
There had been two previous serious instances of crowd congestion at Hillsborough which had almost ended in tragedy - one only the season before.
Sheffield Wednesday had been repeatedly told that their STATED ground capacity was much greater than the ACTUAL capacity. That in itself was a contributory factor.
Whether supporters of any other club would have been treated any differently is difficult to say but faced with the same numbers of people, regardless of their origins, I would guess that the actions and attitudes of the Police would be the same - get them in the ground where we can control them and off the streets where they can run amok.
Undoubtedly, the reputation that football hooligans had accumulated in previous years had cemented attitudes and in the eyes and minds of ALL the relevant authorities, they had 'earned' their robust treatment. Of course that doesn't excuse what happened in any way but it helps to establish why they were herded into the ground. Ironically, the perimeter cages were erected for exactly the reasons that caused the disaster - to make massed groups of supporters easier to control.
For the record and contrary to the opinions of some posters on here, I am not a jockey (?) and I have absolutely no bias against Liverpool as a place or its' football supporters. The various action groups in Liverpool have justifiably been up in arms for the last 23 years about some of the things that happened on the day and the way that the subsequent reports were compiled and investigations conducted. I hope they now feel vindicated because many of them have suffered in an unimaginable way.
That doesn't mean that ALL Liverpool supporters were blameless. I wasn't at Hillsborough on the day, (I was at Old Trafford watching Derby County win 2-0 in a match being refereed by Ken Redfern !) but I have spoken to several different people who were there and they are all in agreement that the conduct of SOME supporters was a contributory factor. I don't think they can all be wrong.
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SuddenLad, only just read this post, but I have to say it's probably the best post I've ever read on this site. | |
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 17:13 - Sep 13 with 1198 views | MoonyDale |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 16:09 - Sep 13 by firgrovedale51 |
2 Points
1. Ä° said Ä° did not believe Liverpool fans were blameless
2. No Ä° dont believe man has landed on the moon least of all the Yanks
Read part of the report below now who is deluded? You have no argument read my post Ä° will repeat bas you seem to have a problem understanding i AM NOT SAYÄ°NG LÄ°VERPOOL WERE BLAMELESS there you go try again.
Sir Norman was an off-duty South Yorkshire Police inspector when he attended the game, and was involved in an internal inquiry held by the force in its aftermath.
He said: "Fans' behaviour, to the extent that it was relevant at all, made the job of the police, in the crush outside Leppings Lane turnstiles, harder than it needed to be. But it didn't cause the disaster any more than the sunny day that encouraged people to linger outside the stadium as kick off approached. I held those views then, I hold them now. I have never, since hearing the Taylor evidence unfold, offered any other interpretation in public or private
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We agree then, as I have said from the start, Liverpool fans were not blameless...My argument from day one...The problem is that not one Liverpool fan, none of the families involved, or anyone connected have ever publicly said as much......We all knew that the police covered up and we all knew the ground wasn't up to standard, none of that was ever in dispute....When I hear Liverpool supporters admit as much the I will keep quiet, not until... |  |
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 17:36 - Sep 13 with 1175 views | R17ALE |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 11:54 - Sep 13 by SuddenLad |
My opinion for what it's worth as a well-travelled football supporter and someone old enough to recall events of 40 years ago.
Hindsight is a fantastic tool to use, but we have to remember (those of us who can !) the 'football hooligan' culture of the day and the fact that Police, Politicians and the Public were fed up to the back teeth of weekly events and regular news reports involving public disorder, drunkenness, sporadic violence and destruction that accompanied football fixtures. They weren't urban myths, they were facts and had to be dealt with on a weekly basis.
Also, though relatively rare, there had also been incidents of people being killed as a result of these outbreaks of disorder at football matches. A 14 year-old Blackpool fan had been stabbed to death at Bloomfield Road when Bolton Wanderers were the visitors and a supporter was killed when a wall collapsed during a mass fight in the Leeds United v Birmingham fixture a couple of seasons before Hillsborough. Rioting between supporters of some London clubs was almost commonplace.
There had also been many instances in the 1970's and 1980's when fans who were denied access to football grounds simply went on the rampage and caused untold damage and destruction in the areas surrounding football grounds.
It therefore became THE major priority to prevent public disorder rather than prioritise the actual football element of the day. Needless to say, supporters of the larger clubs who travelled in vast numbers soon got used to the idea that they would be admitted to grounds, even without tickets, simply because in doing so they were easier to control in a closed environment, than they were if allowed to maraud in teeming mobs around the locality.
That was the 'mindset' of the time. Travelling groups of football supporters (of any club) were a potential source of serious problems. Parliament, Police, Press, the FA and the general public had demanded that these supporters were treated 'robustly' and that preventing disorder was a priority.
From that point of view, it is a sad and unfortunate coincidence that the Heysel disaster had occurred only 4 years prior to Hillsborough AND that Liverpool fans had been instrumental in causing the deaths of 33 Juventus supporters. Some Liverpool were subsequently imprisoned for their parts in the tragedy. Because of that disaster, the public had their views further reinforced about football supporters.
Heysel had shocked the nation. It was still very much fresh in the minds of everyone and had served only to reinforce attitudes towards the way in which football matches were policed and in the way that supporters were controlled. It had been a watershed moment. (It's one of those 'I remember where I was when I saw it' moments - such was the impact).
Nobody doubts that much of what happened at Hillsborough was avoidable but we can't apply 21st Century thought to a 20th Century problem.
Yesterdays' report has served only to confirm what many people had thought for years. There was a 'blame culture' at work and because of (then) recent events and the entrenched attitudes of a 'fed-up' society it was easy to throw the responsibility onto the Liverpool supporters.
That said, anyone responsible for altering statements, concocting evidence to distort the truth or simply lying about what happened deserves everything coming their way. Whether any successful prosecutions are feasible after so long remains to be seen.
However, what shouldn't be forgotten is that the Hillsborough disaster wasn't solely the responsibility of the Police (which many Liverpudlians would have you believe) though without question they were completely overwhelmed and found seriously wanting on the day.
There had been two previous serious instances of crowd congestion at Hillsborough which had almost ended in tragedy - one only the season before.
Sheffield Wednesday had been repeatedly told that their STATED ground capacity was much greater than the ACTUAL capacity. That in itself was a contributory factor.
Whether supporters of any other club would have been treated any differently is difficult to say but faced with the same numbers of people, regardless of their origins, I would guess that the actions and attitudes of the Police would be the same - get them in the ground where we can control them and off the streets where they can run amok.
Undoubtedly, the reputation that football hooligans had accumulated in previous years had cemented attitudes and in the eyes and minds of ALL the relevant authorities, they had 'earned' their robust treatment. Of course that doesn't excuse what happened in any way but it helps to establish why they were herded into the ground. Ironically, the perimeter cages were erected for exactly the reasons that caused the disaster - to make massed groups of supporters easier to control.
For the record and contrary to the opinions of some posters on here, I am not a jockey (?) and I have absolutely no bias against Liverpool as a place or its' football supporters. The various action groups in Liverpool have justifiably been up in arms for the last 23 years about some of the things that happened on the day and the way that the subsequent reports were compiled and investigations conducted. I hope they now feel vindicated because many of them have suffered in an unimaginable way.
That doesn't mean that ALL Liverpool supporters were blameless. I wasn't at Hillsborough on the day, (I was at Old Trafford watching Derby County win 2-0 in a match being refereed by Ken Redfern !) but I have spoken to several different people who were there and they are all in agreement that the conduct of SOME supporters was a contributory factor. I don't think they can all be wrong.
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Thanks for the very informative reply SL.
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 19:10 - Sep 13 with 1112 views | SteTsGoldenBoot |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 08:27 - Sep 13 by EllGazzell |
SteTsGoldenBoot - Correct. The world would be a much better place with an increase of quality teachers; education is the foundation for any civilised enlightened society. Grumpy - not really; Tvvat - possibly; school teacher - not.
D_alien - If you read back, I never alluded to Liverpool fans or opinions about Liverpool fans in any way shape or form. This thread contains discussions about a plethora of topics, all of which the named poster(s) had an excruciating lack of knowledge over, but an aggressive argument.
Moonydale - I am quite apt at reading, in fact it's one of my strongest points. As such, I read 4 pages where you had ample opportunity to refute Birchy attributing Dementia to your comment. Given Lady Thatcher's widely known condition, it's quite obvious what you meant. Notwithstanding this, anyone who thinks it's ok to wish a "slow painful death" on a UK political leader of any ilk needs to consider what they are saying. |
That is your opinion, so that is fine.
Henry Ford had little more than infant schooling, yet look what he manifested in the world! Cars by the way!
So does that make it ok for me to character assassinate you, as obviously good teachers and schooling are worthless? yes?
Its a fans forum, so if someone has an opinion, its ok.
Because it ain't yours, doesn't make them a pleb, prick or mongtard!
Words aren't my bag, give me maths, science and motivating people, i'm ok at that!
Its a fans forum, not A-Level English Lit!
Just glad you're not grumpy!!! |  |
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 19:57 - Sep 13 with 1076 views | downunder |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 14:40 - Sep 13 by SuddenLad |
In all probability, if the supporters of Nottingham Forest & Liverpool had each been allocated the opposite ends of the ground on the day, there wouldn't have been a disaster, but even doing that would probably only have delayed the tragedy until a later date. |
That is exactly what my Forest supporting pal, who was there that day, says. |  | | |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 21:57 - Sep 13 with 1042 views | EllGazzell |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 19:10 - Sep 13 by SteTsGoldenBoot |
That is your opinion, so that is fine.
Henry Ford had little more than infant schooling, yet look what he manifested in the world! Cars by the way!
So does that make it ok for me to character assassinate you, as obviously good teachers and schooling are worthless? yes?
Its a fans forum, so if someone has an opinion, its ok.
Because it ain't yours, doesn't make them a pleb, prick or mongtard!
Words aren't my bag, give me maths, science and motivating people, i'm ok at that!
Its a fans forum, not A-Level English Lit!
Just glad you're not grumpy!!! |
Here, goldenboot.
Henry Ford didn't manifest cars into the world, he introduced industrial production lines fabricating automobiles; which revolutionised production techniques in countless other industries. This in turn was a catalyst/factor for the entire human race's exponential progress throughout the 20th century. If he did this from a background of minimal schooling then I agree wholeheartedly, a fine achievement indeed.
However, as a Czech resident, I'd like to add: the 1st 'car' in the world was produced by the Czech company Tatra (Schustala & co) in 1865 and the 1st production car was also made by them in 1897. Doesn't take anything away from Ford, but I like to promote the incredible achievements of this fine land whenever possible.
Seeings as my opinion on education is hardly radical, without reason or based on hearsay and in no way inflammatory, if you chose to "assassinate" my character accordingly, I would tell you to get to f**k.
I agree, it's a fans forum and it's ok for everyone to have an opinion, therefore I'm equally ok to call them a prick or pleb should I see fit. I'd never use the word "mongtard" though, as it's unacceptable language and outright disrespectful.
At the end of the day, I'll mooch about the message board and if I fancy a trip out cos some tosser gets my goat up, then I'll trot along and say my bit. If it's not liked, then put me on ignore or better still, have a few shots back and we can have some fun for a day or 2.
Unfortunately, that bellend on the continent west of here opted for the former and I'm stuck without a nemesis to do battle with over the abilities of Tony Ford to cross the ball v the colour of his skin!
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 23:57 - Sep 13 with 1009 views | DiddyDave |
I remember that sad weekend for a different reason,me and my workmates got 24 points on Littlewoods for eight from ten (would`ve had nine from ten,but the Doncaster/Stockport game that was a two all draw,was played on the Friday night because of the semi final at Hillsborough on the Saturday,and therefore void on the coupon). Only got three hundred or so quid as there were about 17 score draws that weekend,but nevertheless managed to do it. Still,a very sad day. My mate Alan Lamb was there,being on the fringe of the Forest team and went up from Nottingham with the squad,but said he couldn`t see anything from where he was sitting. I`ve been to a few games at Hillsborough and often wondered why they had so many semi finals there as it`s bloody awful to get in and out of with nowhere to park,but guess the 65,000 capacity was the drawcard. They probably would`ve had the game at Old Trafford,but as somebody on here has stated,unfortunately United were at home that day against Derby. | | | |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 08:24 - Sep 14 with 976 views | judd |
Moonydale, were you at the game? |  |
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 09:16 - Sep 14 with 967 views | SteTsGoldenBoot |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 21:57 - Sep 13 by EllGazzell |
Here, goldenboot.
Henry Ford didn't manifest cars into the world, he introduced industrial production lines fabricating automobiles; which revolutionised production techniques in countless other industries. This in turn was a catalyst/factor for the entire human race's exponential progress throughout the 20th century. If he did this from a background of minimal schooling then I agree wholeheartedly, a fine achievement indeed.
However, as a Czech resident, I'd like to add: the 1st 'car' in the world was produced by the Czech company Tatra (Schustala & co) in 1865 and the 1st production car was also made by them in 1897. Doesn't take anything away from Ford, but I like to promote the incredible achievements of this fine land whenever possible.
Seeings as my opinion on education is hardly radical, without reason or based on hearsay and in no way inflammatory, if you chose to "assassinate" my character accordingly, I would tell you to get to f**k.
I agree, it's a fans forum and it's ok for everyone to have an opinion, therefore I'm equally ok to call them a prick or pleb should I see fit. I'd never use the word "mongtard" though, as it's unacceptable language and outright disrespectful.
At the end of the day, I'll mooch about the message board and if I fancy a trip out cos some tosser gets my goat up, then I'll trot along and say my bit. If it's not liked, then put me on ignore or better still, have a few shots back and we can have some fun for a day or 2.
Unfortunately, that bellend on the continent west of here opted for the former and I'm stuck without a nemesis to do battle with over the abilities of Tony Ford to cross the ball v the colour of his skin!
Ciao ciao, kamarády. |
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 10:18 - Sep 14 with 953 views | MoonyDale |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 08:24 - Sep 14 by judd |
Moonydale, were you at the game? |
Yes Judd I was at the match, we were to the left of the Leppings lane stand, and were of course sickened by the events of the day, have to say I have been there many times mainly for semi-finals and also to watch Sheff play, (was going out with a lass who lived right next to the ground at the time) I love football and I do not hate Liverpool as some have said on this thread, that day kinda turned me off the game for a long time, the last time I went to Hillsborough as it is now was 4 years ago, I also called in at the walled garden in the park near the ground where they have placed memorial gates with "You'll Never Walk Alone" above them....After the game and after seeing the footage of the moments before the tragedy my views of the initial cause of the incident were formed, I saw what I saw and nobody will ever change my views....It obviously upset some people but that is for them to deal with... | |
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 10:52 - Sep 14 with 939 views | D_Alien |
Alongside the police, the real culprits are the football hooligans who created the conditions, both inside the grounds and in the policing of football matches, which led to this tragedy
Look at the size of the crowds that used to sqeeze inside pay-on-the-gate virtually all-standing stadia during the period from 1900 to around 1970, with very little trouble or injury. The catalyst for Hillsborough was hooliganism. It still exists among a minority. | |
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 11:00 - Sep 14 with 930 views | MoonyDale |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 10:52 - Sep 14 by D_Alien |
Alongside the police, the real culprits are the football hooligans who created the conditions, both inside the grounds and in the policing of football matches, which led to this tragedy
Look at the size of the crowds that used to sqeeze inside pay-on-the-gate virtually all-standing stadia during the period from 1900 to around 1970, with very little trouble or injury. The catalyst for Hillsborough was hooliganism. It still exists among a minority. |
Talking of hooliganism I was also at Hillsborough in 1977 for the semi final between the two United's, Leeds and Manchester.....now that was a recipe for disaster, I remember walking towards the ground with a line of police separating the fans on either side of the road, one Leeds fan ripped a bright Yellow waste paper bin off a street light, he then ran at the line of police broke through and headed right for me...I had visions of this bin crashing through my skull as he closed in on me, just as he was about to crack me over the bonce a copper rugby tackled him to the ground, lucky escape for myself....That was football in the 70s.. | |
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 16:37 - Sep 14 with 894 views | SuddenLad |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 10:52 - Sep 14 by D_Alien |
Alongside the police, the real culprits are the football hooligans who created the conditions, both inside the grounds and in the policing of football matches, which led to this tragedy
Look at the size of the crowds that used to sqeeze inside pay-on-the-gate virtually all-standing stadia during the period from 1900 to around 1970, with very little trouble or injury. The catalyst for Hillsborough was hooliganism. It still exists among a minority. |
Not forgetting the fact that the ground safety certificate at Hillsborough had expired well before the game took place, that the FA and Sheffield Wednesday were repeatedly warned that there was a 'safety issue' and that the ground was unsuitable.
As you rightly point out, this situation had developed over many seasons when high profile football matches were effectively 'powder kegs' simply waiting to explode in one way or another. Often they did.
This happened at Hillsborough on April 15th 1989, but it could so easily have happened elsewhere before then. It would almost certainly have happened at some time after that date had it not been there and then. | |
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 16:55 - Sep 14 with 888 views | DaleAwaydayBot |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 16:37 - Sep 14 by SuddenLad |
Not forgetting the fact that the ground safety certificate at Hillsborough had expired well before the game took place, that the FA and Sheffield Wednesday were repeatedly warned that there was a 'safety issue' and that the ground was unsuitable.
As you rightly point out, this situation had developed over many seasons when high profile football matches were effectively 'powder kegs' simply waiting to explode in one way or another. Often they did.
This happened at Hillsborough on April 15th 1989, but it could so easily have happened elsewhere before then. It would almost certainly have happened at some time after that date had it not been there and then. |
The FA Approved the ground for the match or the FA chairman wouldn't of apologized by video yesterday to the Hillsborough families/campaigners i hope this also ends Wednesday aswell as other parties who covered up the truth for 23 Years its out of order
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 18:36 - Sep 14 with 853 views | 442Dale |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 16:55 - Sep 14 by DaleAwaydayBot |
The FA Approved the ground for the match or the FA chairman wouldn't of apologized by video yesterday to the Hillsborough families/campaigners i hope this also ends Wednesday aswell as other parties who covered up the truth for 23 Years its out of order
RIP 96 Liverpool Fans |
Ends Wednesday? Not getting what you mean. Yes, their ground wasn't up to scratch, but as noted, many grounds were in the same condition back then.
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 19:44 - Sep 14 with 820 views | TVOS1907 |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 18:36 - Sep 14 by 442Dale |
Ends Wednesday? Not getting what you mean. Yes, their ground wasn't up to scratch, but as noted, many grounds were in the same condition back then.
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 20:12 - Sep 14 with 805 views | SuddenLad |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 18:36 - Sep 14 by 442Dale |
Ends Wednesday? Not getting what you mean. Yes, their ground wasn't up to scratch, but as noted, many grounds were in the same condition back then.
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It's the DFS Super Sale.
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