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This article although mainly focusing on New Zealand can be applied to Britain this thread Is not an attempt to resurrect the Covid debate although that is ongoing and important however this thread reaches far deeper than the virus. The article is worth a detailed read and re-read and worthy of debate for those who can think beyond the now. There is so much to absorb that I wonder if it will be beyond the casual reader to understand the implications. Lucinda Adhern is an out and out Marxist groomed and fast tracked for her role by her mentor another Marxist the former prime minister Helen Clark.
Not another Covid-19 thread. on 19:38 - Apr 28 by James1980
Didn't find it particularly boring or long winded. Personally I don't think there is anything wrong with a fairer and more equitable society. Never got this notion that greed must be revered yet envy is a terrible scourge. Not religious but aren't both listed as sins.
I’m a decorator so picked it up after listening to old painters talk about it.thought it was a bit of a boring read although much hasn’t changed in the fact that decorators still all sit around putting the worlds to rights at brew time. Was an interesting guy though Robert trestle.
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Not another Covid-19 thread. on 22:36 - Apr 28 with 2033 views
Not another Covid-19 thread. on 19:45 - Apr 28 by Rochdale_Rangar
I’m a decorator so picked it up after listening to old painters talk about it.thought it was a bit of a boring read although much hasn’t changed in the fact that decorators still all sit around putting the worlds to rights at brew time. Was an interesting guy though Robert trestle.
Not another Covid-19 thread. on 14:47 - Apr 28 by Rochdale_Rangar
It isn’t lawless (even compared with New Zealand) and the people there were lovely. Seems a bit small minded to write off an entire nation as barbaric. I seen things over there that made me appreciate my own country more that can’t be denied but I think your picture of it is way off.
Surely somewhere like Mexico or Honduras (where guns are illegal) would be the prime places to mention when in relation to murders by guns. The other big ingredient in the US figures is that the majority of killings are perpetrated by people that own illegal guns.
Pointing to America as an argument for gun control isn’t really a good argument. The gun culture in America is nuts (conventions, glorification of guns, Wild West mentality in the modern age) that’s true but look at other countries where Gun ownership is high (Czech Republic) but guns are just seen as a tool and it’s a completely different situation.
Rushing through legislation based on one incident ( the New Zealand mosque shooting) seems like a knee jerk thing to do and punishes decent people for nothing.
I'm assuming you made a mistake with the Czech Republic and meant Chechnya?
Not another Covid-19 thread. on 22:55 - May 2 by kiwidale
James This song was written for me.
Good afternoon Mick, how's things. Most folks I know in Oz seem to think your PM's doing a pretty good job, especially crisis management, ie. the massacre and the covid19 stuff. What we've had here for some years is the usual bunch of entitled Tories under the express direction of Rupert Murdoch. The two guys that stood up to him in recent times both got shafted quick smart. Do you want to swap.
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Not another Covid-19 thread. on 05:37 - May 3 with 1594 views
Not another Covid-19 thread. on 08:12 - May 5 by frenzied
FAO Kiwis
I see NZ has had a robust record with the Covid 19 challenge,
The PM has announced tight border controls..seems to be some sort of local arrangement with Australia
Is NZ effectively shutting everybody else out?
Can people still leave NZ to travel elsewhere?
OR Is it a case that there is movement but some sort of process i.e. quaranteening has to take place?
Basically, the border is closed. Special arrangement flights only. On arrival, they are put into hotels for a 2 week quarantine. There is no agreement with Australia apart from promises to "extend our bubble" when deemed safe. Today we had our second day with zero new cases, ( 20 people have died so far, Population just under 5 million) This has been the case since 25th March when lock down("level 4") was introduced, though there was a drop to level 3 last week. That meant you can extend your family bubble into one other bubble. In our case, we see my daughter, son in law and grandchildren, but my son has to stay away. Jacinda (PM Labour) has done an excellent job in going in hard and quick. I normally vote for National, the opposition, but they lack leadership at the moment, so it will be interesting as the election is approaching in November. All businesses that closed( "non essential") have been given the chance to apply for money to get 80% of their wage bill paid. Some businesses paid the full amount, others just passed on the 80%, but on Level 3 most are now working, apart from cafes, pubs, restaurants etc. Level 2 has a chance of introduction very soon, so they can then open, but will have find a way to social distance. I cannot see our borders open for at least 6 months, good for our health, but bad for tourism, one of our top industries. I also need the planes coming in for my work, so could be zero income for me soon. Early retirement is likely, i wait and see what happens.
Hope that that is clear, and answers all questions. As for leaving NZ...why? We could be Covid free.soon, and its a nice place to be "marooned". UTD
[Post edited 5 May 2020 9:24]
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Not another Covid-19 thread. on 09:36 - May 5 with 1417 views
Not another Covid-19 thread. on 09:12 - May 5 by downunder
Basically, the border is closed. Special arrangement flights only. On arrival, they are put into hotels for a 2 week quarantine. There is no agreement with Australia apart from promises to "extend our bubble" when deemed safe. Today we had our second day with zero new cases, ( 20 people have died so far, Population just under 5 million) This has been the case since 25th March when lock down("level 4") was introduced, though there was a drop to level 3 last week. That meant you can extend your family bubble into one other bubble. In our case, we see my daughter, son in law and grandchildren, but my son has to stay away. Jacinda (PM Labour) has done an excellent job in going in hard and quick. I normally vote for National, the opposition, but they lack leadership at the moment, so it will be interesting as the election is approaching in November. All businesses that closed( "non essential") have been given the chance to apply for money to get 80% of their wage bill paid. Some businesses paid the full amount, others just passed on the 80%, but on Level 3 most are now working, apart from cafes, pubs, restaurants etc. Level 2 has a chance of introduction very soon, so they can then open, but will have find a way to social distance. I cannot see our borders open for at least 6 months, good for our health, but bad for tourism, one of our top industries. I also need the planes coming in for my work, so could be zero income for me soon. Early retirement is likely, i wait and see what happens.
Hope that that is clear, and answers all questions. As for leaving NZ...why? We could be Covid free.soon, and its a nice place to be "marooned". UTD
[Post edited 5 May 2020 9:24]
Interesting the the state of Queensland with the same population as NZ but with land borders with other states, has had fewer cases and fewer deaths than NZ and a large proportion of the deaths inQueensland have been from the infamous ruby princess cruise ship that the NSW authorities allowed to disembark and disperse freely.
Maybe Queensland needs to keep kiwis out (tongue definitely in cheek)!
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Not another Covid-19 thread. on 10:08 - May 5 with 1399 views
Not another Covid-19 thread. on 09:12 - May 5 by downunder
Basically, the border is closed. Special arrangement flights only. On arrival, they are put into hotels for a 2 week quarantine. There is no agreement with Australia apart from promises to "extend our bubble" when deemed safe. Today we had our second day with zero new cases, ( 20 people have died so far, Population just under 5 million) This has been the case since 25th March when lock down("level 4") was introduced, though there was a drop to level 3 last week. That meant you can extend your family bubble into one other bubble. In our case, we see my daughter, son in law and grandchildren, but my son has to stay away. Jacinda (PM Labour) has done an excellent job in going in hard and quick. I normally vote for National, the opposition, but they lack leadership at the moment, so it will be interesting as the election is approaching in November. All businesses that closed( "non essential") have been given the chance to apply for money to get 80% of their wage bill paid. Some businesses paid the full amount, others just passed on the 80%, but on Level 3 most are now working, apart from cafes, pubs, restaurants etc. Level 2 has a chance of introduction very soon, so they can then open, but will have find a way to social distance. I cannot see our borders open for at least 6 months, good for our health, but bad for tourism, one of our top industries. I also need the planes coming in for my work, so could be zero income for me soon. Early retirement is likely, i wait and see what happens.
Hope that that is clear, and answers all questions. As for leaving NZ...why? We could be Covid free.soon, and its a nice place to be "marooned". UTD
[Post edited 5 May 2020 9:24]
Agree with this i think the government have had a tough time (White Island, Mosque shooting and now Covid) but has acted quickly and with a decent level transparency. I liked the way they laid out what lockdown looks like at different levels early on.
One point to add is L3 allows more business to operate (estimated 300-400 thousand workers).
There will be more and more noise about moving to L2- which is retail can open, cafe's, bars etc (i think) with the low numbers but would guess they will wait another 2 weeks to see if we see a "surge" in cases at L3.
The economy will struggle (i'm expecting to lose my job Thursday) but so will the world. What NZ is put people over ego (imo) and i'm hoping with (touch wood) being covid free we might get some sort of economy back up and running sooner rather than later.
The latest rumors on boarders being opened is when a vaccine is available. I wonder if that's the new world we see where you can only travel with a vaccine for Covid?
As for National they could do with a change of leader very similar to what labour did at the last election...bridges won't lead them anywhere soon
As for Jacinda - i think she's is a great leader, talker and act's with people's best interests at heart - do i agree with all her decisions, no...do i agree with all the policies ...no but for what it's worth she 100% is the best person to lead the country right now
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Not another Covid-19 thread. on 23:53 - May 5 with 1309 views
Not another Covid-19 thread. on 10:08 - May 5 by Chockers1
Agree with this i think the government have had a tough time (White Island, Mosque shooting and now Covid) but has acted quickly and with a decent level transparency. I liked the way they laid out what lockdown looks like at different levels early on.
One point to add is L3 allows more business to operate (estimated 300-400 thousand workers).
There will be more and more noise about moving to L2- which is retail can open, cafe's, bars etc (i think) with the low numbers but would guess they will wait another 2 weeks to see if we see a "surge" in cases at L3.
The economy will struggle (i'm expecting to lose my job Thursday) but so will the world. What NZ is put people over ego (imo) and i'm hoping with (touch wood) being covid free we might get some sort of economy back up and running sooner rather than later.
The latest rumors on boarders being opened is when a vaccine is available. I wonder if that's the new world we see where you can only travel with a vaccine for Covid?
As for National they could do with a change of leader very similar to what labour did at the last election...bridges won't lead them anywhere soon
As for Jacinda - i think she's is a great leader, talker and act's with people's best interests at heart - do i agree with all her decisions, no...do i agree with all the policies ...no but for what it's worth she 100% is the best person to lead the country right now
Once a country is virus free for...let's say a month, I see no reason why borders cannot be open with other countries that are virus free. I should have been flying to Rarotonga early in June, and they have kept the virus out. I am sure The Cooks will be desperate to get tourists flying in again as soon as possible, so we live in hope. The OP of this thread was musing about her Marxism. I see little evidence of this, but this maybe because without NZ First and Winston (and the Greens to a lesser extent) have kept her in check. Agree she has done well as a leader, and some of her ministers have done well in this crisis, but lower down the pecking order... a mess. I say this as the ministry whose rules give me my employment have been useless. Nobody organised to work from home, all questions ignored until yesterday. Bridges has fallen into the trap of "I am opposition, so everything the Government has done is wrong". Yesterday was the first time he actually put forward an idea. I look forward to Chris Luxon replacing him in time. Hopefully he can give us organisation and compassion to move us out of the looming recession.
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Not another Covid-19 thread. on 01:57 - May 6 with 1279 views
Not another Covid-19 thread. on 23:53 - May 5 by downunder
Once a country is virus free for...let's say a month, I see no reason why borders cannot be open with other countries that are virus free. I should have been flying to Rarotonga early in June, and they have kept the virus out. I am sure The Cooks will be desperate to get tourists flying in again as soon as possible, so we live in hope. The OP of this thread was musing about her Marxism. I see little evidence of this, but this maybe because without NZ First and Winston (and the Greens to a lesser extent) have kept her in check. Agree she has done well as a leader, and some of her ministers have done well in this crisis, but lower down the pecking order... a mess. I say this as the ministry whose rules give me my employment have been useless. Nobody organised to work from home, all questions ignored until yesterday. Bridges has fallen into the trap of "I am opposition, so everything the Government has done is wrong". Yesterday was the first time he actually put forward an idea. I look forward to Chris Luxon replacing him in time. Hopefully he can give us organisation and compassion to move us out of the looming recession.
I can`t believe you actually take politics in NZ seriously mate,surely you`ve been living there long enough to know it`s a joke,same as it is here in OZ. The only reason Jacinda is PM is because at the last election,Winston Peters and his NZ First Party,decided to join Labour and not National under the MMP voting system. Kiwi reckons she`s a Marxist,another bloke I watch on Youtube reckon she`s a world globalist following on from her diplomat father. The poverty and unemployment in certain parts of NZ is a disgrace when you consider the place is still the land of milk and honey. The massive economic hits to NZ in 1973 of Britain joining the Common Market and the World Oil shock are two generations ago now,but through terrible governance by both major parties,unemployment and neglect of many of it citizens became a national shame and is still continuing. The dismantling of government departments (NZED,Ministry of Works,Lands and Survey,Forestry,THC,etc) has caused the loss of thousands of jobs,only minimally replaced by private,mainly overseas businesses who couldn`t give two hoots about the well being of NZ and its populace,ably assisted of course by two faced politicians of all parties. NZ will stumble along in the shadow of Australia,as it has for decades,because not one politician has had the guts to stand up to these Aussie bullshit artists,Kiwis still living over here as second class citizens on the 444 special visa. Still,as long as the All Blacks are playing every week,who really cares?
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Not another Covid-19 thread. on 02:57 - May 6 with 1277 views
Not another Covid-19 thread. on 01:57 - May 6 by DiddyDave
I can`t believe you actually take politics in NZ seriously mate,surely you`ve been living there long enough to know it`s a joke,same as it is here in OZ. The only reason Jacinda is PM is because at the last election,Winston Peters and his NZ First Party,decided to join Labour and not National under the MMP voting system. Kiwi reckons she`s a Marxist,another bloke I watch on Youtube reckon she`s a world globalist following on from her diplomat father. The poverty and unemployment in certain parts of NZ is a disgrace when you consider the place is still the land of milk and honey. The massive economic hits to NZ in 1973 of Britain joining the Common Market and the World Oil shock are two generations ago now,but through terrible governance by both major parties,unemployment and neglect of many of it citizens became a national shame and is still continuing. The dismantling of government departments (NZED,Ministry of Works,Lands and Survey,Forestry,THC,etc) has caused the loss of thousands of jobs,only minimally replaced by private,mainly overseas businesses who couldn`t give two hoots about the well being of NZ and its populace,ably assisted of course by two faced politicians of all parties. NZ will stumble along in the shadow of Australia,as it has for decades,because not one politician has had the guts to stand up to these Aussie bullshit artists,Kiwis still living over here as second class citizens on the 444 special visa. Still,as long as the All Blacks are playing every week,who really cares?
FFS!. You will be claiming Shergar, the Finn brothers and Pavlova next!
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Not another Covid-19 thread. on 04:35 - May 6 with 1265 views
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