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Only speculation but a few things have happened, in particular in the Conservative Party, that makes me think that the appetite for Brexit has reduced significantly.
Cameron's decision not to invoke Article 50 immediately has thrown the leavers into turmoil as it is now down to one of them to do the ultimate. It will now be the responsibility of the new PM to invoke Articld 50, a move nobody intended, or wants, to make. IDS and Gove all noted by their absence and Boris looked pale as milk yesterday with the realisation that Merkel et al have said a firm no to negotiations prior to invoking Article 50. This means the future PM will have nothing to 'sell' to the country or the markets prior to invoking Article 50. They will not be able to have one piece of legislation or even negotiation in their hands re 50% of UK trade. It would be like pushing an economic nuclear bomb if a new PM was to invoke Article 50 in such a situation as market confidence would collapse and multinationals up sticks. This will be an even more difficult act to undertake if the UK is in recession, which even the leavers acknowledge may very well be the case. Indeed, Boris has come out attempting to ease fears by stating that the UK remains very much at the heart of Europe and nothing much will change with the ultimate irony being that if we are to negotiate access to the single market then the terms of that negotiations will be very much like what we have already. Merkel et al permitting.
There are now rumours that top people in the Tories including some leavers and whips are sufficiently spooked enough to not back Boris or another leave candidate.
Could be wrong but expect stalemate. EU will call UK bluff and UK will be unwilling to do the ultimate deed because they will not be able to get the deals they so desperately want. Fascinating times.
Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 17:08 - Jul 11 by BigDaveMyCock
We've now got a prime minister who voted remain replacing a prime minister who resigned because he voted remain despite us having voted for the one who is resigning and not for the one who is taking over. Meanwhile, all the Leave 'leaders' have taken their lead from the Captain of Concordia whose strategy, and general moral make-up, can be neatly summarised in the phrase 'fook that, I'm off'.
You couldn't write it.
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It does beg the question whether those championing Brexit actually wanted it in the first place.
You could almost argue that its a work of genius by the Tories - come the next election, there will be no one who pushed for the Brexit in any position of responsibility.
"Not our fault, we just gave you the choice"
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Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 07:30 - Jul 12 with 2291 views
Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 17:08 - Jul 11 by BigDaveMyCock
We've now got a prime minister who voted remain replacing a prime minister who resigned because he voted remain despite us having voted for the one who is resigning and not for the one who is taking over. Meanwhile, all the Leave 'leaders' have taken their lead from the Captain of Concordia whose strategy, and general moral make-up, can be neatly summarised in the phrase 'fook that, I'm off'.
You couldn't write it.
[Post edited 11 Jul 2016 17:10]
LMFAO, exactly!
"take back control" "time for change" "we want democracy"
All championed by the far right who lead the population up the garden path, 52% swallowed it and jumped right off the cliff dragging everyone along.
He won't do that, he's a typical SJW who sulks and labels people when he doesn't get his own way. At least 1Mark1 has the decency to accept the vote and wants to move on without calling people xenophobes, racist and bigots. Pathetic really.
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Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 11:39 - Jul 12 with 2083 views
Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 11:21 - Jul 12 by roccydaleian
He won't do that, he's a typical SJW who sulks and labels people when he doesn't get his own way. At least 1Mark1 has the decency to accept the vote and wants to move on without calling people xenophobes, racist and bigots. Pathetic really.
I'd add to that also, the response from those who voted remain not only proves the criticism from the leave campaign was correct but also was a contributing factor to why many people chose to vote leave.
Lot's of people who voted leave have been shown to do so because they felt they were being misrepresented / under represented by the political establishment. That is, by those who thing people who don't hold liberal, internationalist values or views are uneducated, racist / bigoted "Little Britainers".
On that basis, it's ironic that those like EllGazzell who are so ashamed and upset at the outcome of the referendum actually espouse the views that helped contribute to a result they didn't want.
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Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 11:55 - Jul 12 with 2056 views
Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 11:39 - Jul 12 by HK_Dale
I'd add to that also, the response from those who voted remain not only proves the criticism from the leave campaign was correct but also was a contributing factor to why many people chose to vote leave.
Lot's of people who voted leave have been shown to do so because they felt they were being misrepresented / under represented by the political establishment. That is, by those who thing people who don't hold liberal, internationalist values or views are uneducated, racist / bigoted "Little Britainers".
On that basis, it's ironic that those like EllGazzell who are so ashamed and upset at the outcome of the referendum actually espouse the views that helped contribute to a result they didn't want.
Perfectly put, HK
It's precisely that mittel European satisfaction with mediocrity that we're leaving behind
Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 11:21 - Jul 12 by roccydaleian
He won't do that, he's a typical SJW who sulks and labels people when he doesn't get his own way. At least 1Mark1 has the decency to accept the vote and wants to move on without calling people xenophobes, racist and bigots. Pathetic really.
When did I say everyone was a racist, bigot or xenophobe?
Did I say everyone who voted leave was a racist, bigot or xenophobe?
No, no I didn't. Go back, read what I put again.
I'm not sure what getting my own way is? I've happily accepted the vote, IMHO, my Europe can now get on with greater integration, more ties and a brighter future without the sick man of Europe holding them back...
well...
once your new leader or someone finally plucks up enough courage to actually trigger article 50...
Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 12:17 - Jul 12 by EllGazzell
When did I say everyone was a racist, bigot or xenophobe?
Did I say everyone who voted leave was a racist, bigot or xenophobe?
No, no I didn't. Go back, read what I put again.
I'm not sure what getting my own way is? I've happily accepted the vote, IMHO, my Europe can now get on with greater integration, more ties and a brighter future without the sick man of Europe holding them back...
well...
once your new leader or someone finally plucks up enough courage to actually trigger article 50...
we're waiting...
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EG, don't talk to us about courage
Our lads have been stationed in Europe for the past 70 years to help defend the continent, through NATO, against real or potential aggression from the east. The Czech generation of 1968 will remember that
Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 12:17 - Jul 12 by EllGazzell
When did I say everyone was a racist, bigot or xenophobe?
Did I say everyone who voted leave was a racist, bigot or xenophobe?
No, no I didn't. Go back, read what I put again.
I'm not sure what getting my own way is? I've happily accepted the vote, IMHO, my Europe can now get on with greater integration, more ties and a brighter future without the sick man of Europe holding them back...
well...
once your new leader or someone finally plucks up enough courage to actually trigger article 50...
we're waiting...
[Post edited 3 May 2020 21:04]
I take it you don't have any money in the Euro banks? - Financial armageddon is on their horizon, good luck with your rosy view of the EU when the sh1t hits the fan and the banks are giving all their customers a financial haircut just to keep the doors open. Take a look at Greece and then wonder who the Czech Republic is going to trade with when the Euro goes down the pan. And here is the Deutsche Bank problem: http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article55826.html
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Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 12:31 - Jul 12 with 1980 views
Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 11:39 - Jul 12 by HK_Dale
I'd add to that also, the response from those who voted remain not only proves the criticism from the leave campaign was correct but also was a contributing factor to why many people chose to vote leave.
Lot's of people who voted leave have been shown to do so because they felt they were being misrepresented / under represented by the political establishment. That is, by those who thing people who don't hold liberal, internationalist values or views are uneducated, racist / bigoted "Little Britainers".
On that basis, it's ironic that those like EllGazzell who are so ashamed and upset at the outcome of the referendum actually espouse the views that helped contribute to a result they didn't want.
So you think the political establishment have liberal, internationalist values or views?
Are you, or have you been/lived in Hong Kong? Have you or would you move back to the UK?
Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 12:17 - Jul 12 by EllGazzell
When did I say everyone was a racist, bigot or xenophobe?
Did I say everyone who voted leave was a racist, bigot or xenophobe?
No, no I didn't. Go back, read what I put again.
I'm not sure what getting my own way is? I've happily accepted the vote, IMHO, my Europe can now get on with greater integration, more ties and a brighter future without the sick man of Europe holding them back...
well...
once your new leader or someone finally plucks up enough courage to actually trigger article 50...
we're waiting...
[Post edited 3 May 2020 21:04]
You might not actually say it, but you certainly insinuate it with your cretinous statements. Yours, the jealous one.
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Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 12:47 - Jul 12 with 1946 views
Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 12:24 - Jul 12 by D_Alien
EG, don't talk to us about courage
Our lads have been stationed in Europe for the past 70 years to help defend the continent, through NATO, against real or potential aggression from the east. The Czech generation of 1968 will remember that
Your attitude is an insult to both them, and us
D Alien, do you genuinely believe what you just wrote? Honestly? You know I enjoy a good wind up but be honest, that statement was an intended wind up of me? You can't in all honesty believe what you said??? Come on now!
Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 12:24 - Jul 12 by D_Alien
EG, don't talk to us about courage
Our lads have been stationed in Europe for the past 70 years to help defend the continent, through NATO, against real or potential aggression from the east. The Czech generation of 1968 will remember that
Your attitude is an insult to both them, and us
The Czech generation have a very good memory, they remember 29th September 1938.
Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 12:56 - Jul 12 by EllGazzell
The Czech generation have a very good memory, they remember 29th September 1938.
"peace in our time"
I'm fairly sure the tanks that rolled over the border had German drivers not British, I assume they also remember that. In fairness the EU may have had a small part in making sure it hasn't happened since.
Anyway it's all water under the bridge now and we must get on with making Brixet work the best we can, hopefully for both the UK and our very good friends in the EU.
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Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 13:37 - Jul 12 with 1888 views
Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 12:31 - Jul 12 by EllGazzell
So you think the political establishment have liberal, internationalist values or views?
Are you, or have you been/lived in Hong Kong? Have you or would you move back to the UK?
Absolutely, if you like at the rise of supranational organisations in the 'Western' world, since the second world war,this has been a hugely internationalist agenda (EU, Mercosur, NAFTA, ASEAN, NATO strengthening of the UN etc.).
Generally those who end up as part of the political establishment, tend to be those that have gone to university etc and be more economically mobile, therefore more likely to hold the view that 'free-er" movement is a good thing.
The problem is that the dominant view appears to be and was through the campaign that those who don't hold these values are somehow less informed and have an irrational agenda i.e. racism. This perpetuation of the concept of those people being inferior led to many retaliating by 'shaking up' the establishment by voting leave.
I have lived in Hong Kong yes, and I know and understand the struggles they have being a Special Administrative Region in the PRC. They are in a unique position and the establishment there is the complete opposite, but we aren't really talking about the PRC as a comparison..
To answer your final question, yes I did move back to the UK, and yes I would move back HK should the opportunity present itself.
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Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 14:32 - Jul 12 with 1854 views
Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 13:10 - Jul 12 by Reddale
I'm fairly sure the tanks that rolled over the border had German drivers not British, I assume they also remember that. In fairness the EU may have had a small part in making sure it hasn't happened since.
Anyway it's all water under the bridge now and we must get on with making Brixet work the best we can, hopefully for both the UK and our very good friends in the EU.
Aha, "the drivers were German" - that makes it alright then!
Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 14:32 - Jul 12 by EllGazzell
Aha, "the drivers were German" - that makes it alright then!
The most British way of describing the situation.
Not at all and certainly not something in a far away country of no concern to us. I'm sure it was far from our finest hour. Most would agree that came a few years later, with the help of brave Czechs among other nationalities who joined the few.
Rather than excusing the British or blaming the Germans, I was merely highlighting that whilst we turned our backs we were not the aggressors or the only ones to turn away.
For the record I was in the remain camp and think we collectively have made a terrible decision. For good or bad the decision is made.
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Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 15:17 - Jul 12 with 1812 views
Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 14:32 - Jul 12 by EllGazzell
Aha, "the drivers were German" - that makes it alright then!
The most British way of describing the situation.
Assuming you live in the Czech Republic, Prague is the capital, right? It would seem sensible to try and formulate a more balanced argument than simply shouting as loudly as you can and insinuating that all those who voted Leave are bigots and racists. You may have not typed it out as neatly as that, but that's certainly what your tone and other comments would suggest you believe. Not only does that then lump you in with those who say all Muslims are terrorists, it seeks to denigrate anyone who has a genuine problem with the European Union. It may not fit your narrative, but there are significant numbers across the EU who have a problem with it for a variety of reasons including economy, immigration and national identity.
Also, attempting to re-write history on the basis of the 1938 Munich agreement doesn't really take in to account the internal and external political situation in the 1930s here and abroad. Simply saying, or as you imply, that we have blood on our hands for "peace in our time" is populist and sounds very much like someone who has been heavily influenced by those around him. There were 3 million ethnic Germans living in Czechoslovakia at the time. I'm no apologist for British foreign policy, but at least make a balanced argument.
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Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 16:06 - Jul 12 with 1763 views
Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. on 15:17 - Jul 12 by CarpeDiem
Assuming you live in the Czech Republic, Prague is the capital, right? It would seem sensible to try and formulate a more balanced argument than simply shouting as loudly as you can and insinuating that all those who voted Leave are bigots and racists. You may have not typed it out as neatly as that, but that's certainly what your tone and other comments would suggest you believe. Not only does that then lump you in with those who say all Muslims are terrorists, it seeks to denigrate anyone who has a genuine problem with the European Union. It may not fit your narrative, but there are significant numbers across the EU who have a problem with it for a variety of reasons including economy, immigration and national identity.
Also, attempting to re-write history on the basis of the 1938 Munich agreement doesn't really take in to account the internal and external political situation in the 1930s here and abroad. Simply saying, or as you imply, that we have blood on our hands for "peace in our time" is populist and sounds very much like someone who has been heavily influenced by those around him. There were 3 million ethnic Germans living in Czechoslovakia at the time. I'm no apologist for British foreign policy, but at least make a balanced argument.
Something historically and factually correct can only be described as populist by those whom it is shames.
Brexit. I wouldn't be so sure. (n/t) on 10:13 - Jul 12 by EllGazzell
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I despair. You are from Rochdale, have moved abroad and in one post pour scorn on our Little Britain, denounce your British heritage, pour scorn on English girls, and if there was another war, you'd be on the other side gunning down Rochdalians first.
Football doesn't come into this. On behalf of Rochdale....fook off. And never come back. You're not welcome.
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"time for change" 
