| tomorrow can't come quick enough 14:17 - Oct 16 with 2263362 views | batman |
Not for us, but for Bury.
i was credit checking a potential customer and decided to nosey onto
BFC's file and was (or maybe not) supprised to see a new CCJ for circa £22k lodged
only Wednesday this week.
looks like they are in need of a bumper crowd tomorrow to settle some bills |  | | |  |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 20:06 - Sep 12 with 4467 views | SuddenLad |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 19:28 - Sep 12 by TVOS1907 |
So in summary....? |
We're fooked, we've no hope. |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 20:11 - Sep 12 with 4456 views | TVOS1907 |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 13:58 - Sep 12 by R17ALE |
You have got it right.
Neville did a canvassing job of 10 businesses to chip in £100,000 each to keep the club going through the summer of 2013 (?). He said ten businesses were required but this plan was then shelved around the time Day appeared.
It was said at the time that Day's intervention has stopped the club going to the wall.
When others then sensibly questioned his modus operandi, the "enjoy the ride" brigade chorused, "we'd already be gone but for Day" as though that excused anything. I remember shaking my head at their folly.
The same brigade are now doling out victim cards and pointing the finger of blame wherever they can. |
I like how quite a few of them on their board are 100% convinced most other clubs will want them to stay in the league - except those nasty men at Carlisle, Scunthorpe, Tranmere and the club they can no longer call Fail, obviously.
Even then, when a Tranmere fan goes on there to post very sensible advice, he's just met with abuse and aggression. |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:21 - Sep 12 with 4268 views | boromat |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 20:11 - Sep 12 by TVOS1907 |
I like how quite a few of them on their board are 100% convinced most other clubs will want them to stay in the league - except those nasty men at Carlisle, Scunthorpe, Tranmere and the club they can no longer call Fail, obviously.
Even then, when a Tranmere fan goes on there to post very sensible advice, he's just met with abuse and aggression. |
What would our boards vote be? From a financial perspective surely still having Bury in and around us in the leagues would be slightly beneficial.
I think it's obvious what we as Dale fans would vote. Not sure about the club. | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:37 - Sep 12 with 4219 views | Thacks_Rabbits |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:21 - Sep 12 by boromat |
What would our boards vote be? From a financial perspective surely still having Bury in and around us in the leagues would be slightly beneficial.
I think it's obvious what we as Dale fans would vote. Not sure about the club. |
The whole local derby thing being a financial windfall is wrong.
Let’s assume they bring 2000, actually pay for tickets, and spend £5 each on pies programs etc. Call that 60k. After police costs, more stewards and damage to seats etc it’s so negligible, for a club run properly.
The game is a fun local rivalry game, but it’s not the be All and end all. We don’t need a bURY or Oldham game, it’s probably no more profitable than Peterborough at home. |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:38 - Sep 12 with 4216 views | nordenblue |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:21 - Sep 12 by boromat |
What would our boards vote be? From a financial perspective surely still having Bury in and around us in the leagues would be slightly beneficial.
I think it's obvious what we as Dale fans would vote. Not sure about the club. |
We've done perfectly well as a club when they've not been in our league, let them sink as far down as possible and for as long as possible for me. | | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:47 - Sep 12 with 4189 views | boromat |
Would still be interesting to know how they would vote. | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:50 - Sep 12 with 4179 views | MoonyDale |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:47 - Sep 12 by boromat |
Would still be interesting to know how they would vote. |
I can feel a poll coming on.....James where are you?  |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 22:10 - Sep 12 with 4125 views | TVOS1907 |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:21 - Sep 12 by boromat |
What would our boards vote be? From a financial perspective surely still having Bury in and around us in the leagues would be slightly beneficial.
I think it's obvious what we as Dale fans would vote. Not sure about the club. |
Good question. I wouldn't like to second-guess, to be honest. | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 22:11 - Sep 12 with 4119 views | Sandyman |
The whole statement reeks of self-entitlement and how they expect, nay, demand £millions and a resolution on their fantasy terms, when no such deal will ever be on the table.
I quote:
"In addition, with a view to ensuring that Bury and its supporters do not end up in a similar position to where we find ourselves today, it is our intention to request that any prospective purchaser of the club enter into a shareholders’ agreement with Forever Bury, as the second largest shareholder, to include protective provisions including:
· a right of pre-emption on the majority shares for Forever Bury;
· the right of Forever Bury to have at least 1 member on the board of directors;
· a right of access to club financial information / management accounts for Forever Bury;
· a minimum shareholding of 10/15% for Forever Bury which cannot be diluted without agreement; and
· provisions for the automatic transfer of the majority shares should the owner or his nominee:
o cease to be a director (and a reverse provision providing for the majority shareholders resignation as a director in the event of the sale of his shares by automatic transfer or otherwise);
o fail to pass the fit and proper person test;
o is found guilty of any criminal or civil offense; or
o becomes mentally or physically unfit to run the club.
In the event that a prospective purchaser had not passed the fit and proper person test we would also request that upon the completion of a successful bid that they grant an option over their shares to Forever Bury. It is envisaged that the trigger for the option would be the owner’s failure to pass the fit and proper test with the amount payable for the shares should Forever Bury chose to exercise the option being fixed at a pre-agreed price. This would ensure that the club was not left with an ownership incompatible with League membership."
Basically, Mr rich man must put £10 million in (£15 million if the CVA is found to be illegal) and forever buried will demand all rights and powers over mr rich man's investment. Mr rich man to have no say at all. A notion that is ridiculous beyond words.
All to deny the fact they have spent beyond their means during this century and beyond. Neville Neville (who they have a stand named after) brought Stewart Day into bury and their fans were so so happy and boastful. Now, they expect people to believe one of the worst misrepresentations of facts and truth that has ever been seen in football.
Isolationism over in the North Korean zone over giggle lane way has gone from the ridiculous to the insane. They are completely out of touch with reality. "Diluted" as one notorious not right once said. |  | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 22:12 - Sep 12 with 4114 views | RAFCBLUE |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:37 - Sep 12 by Thacks_Rabbits |
The whole local derby thing being a financial windfall is wrong.
Let’s assume they bring 2000, actually pay for tickets, and spend £5 each on pies programs etc. Call that 60k. After police costs, more stewards and damage to seats etc it’s so negligible, for a club run properly.
The game is a fun local rivalry game, but it’s not the be All and end all. We don’t need a bURY or Oldham game, it’s probably no more profitable than Peterborough at home. |
Fair play to the Biffo's - they're a Football League club. If they get back to League One or we drop back into League 2 it'd be a good game with a good gate.
The gate receipt argument though makes no sense unless people are suggesting that a game on 14th December versus a team with no players, no administration and no training ground would be a good competitive exercise.
I'd hope we'd either have a Family Day, celebrating our club or a game arrange for local charities - Springhill Hospice and the like.
You can't ever play a team that doesn't exist! bury don't currently exist. |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 22:24 - Sep 12 with 4069 views | scarrow |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 22:10 - Sep 12 by TVOS1907 |
Good question. I wouldn't like to second-guess, to be honest. |
Hopefully it’ll be cheats don’t prosper and they vote against |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 22:37 - Sep 12 with 4036 views | finberty |
Isn't this both arrogant and presumptuous?
"The Rescue Board is committed to working with the EFL to secure the club’s return to League Two next season..."
Another breathtaking comment is
"Please note that we are happy to make a representative available to answer any questions that the Board may have..."
Perhaps I can get the ball rolling.
Where are the funds?
Where did they come from?
Have the millions of real debt been repaid?
Can the current season's obligations be fulfilled?
Any problems with answering the preceding four questions? |  | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 00:06 - Sep 13 with 3919 views | downunder |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 22:37 - Sep 12 by finberty |
Isn't this both arrogant and presumptuous?
"The Rescue Board is committed to working with the EFL to secure the club’s return to League Two next season..."
Another breathtaking comment is
"Please note that we are happy to make a representative available to answer any questions that the Board may have..."
Perhaps I can get the ball rolling.
Where are the funds?
Where did they come from?
Have the millions of real debt been repaid?
Can the current season's obligations be fulfilled?
Any problems with answering the preceding four questions? |
The arrogance shown by them ignoring the teams in the National League, teams that have history, fans, and I presume, many that run a financially "tight ship".
They could be inline to join the Magic Circle. Their Act being able to be a long way up their own ar$e even though they have already disappeared |  | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 02:18 - Sep 13 with 3833 views | kiwidale |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 18:30 - Sep 12 by roccydaleian |
Letter sent to EFL Board
Forever Bury
29 minutes ago
8 min read
EFL Board Letter
Recently, representatives from Forever Bury in conjunction with the Rescue Board submitted a Proposal Letter to the EFL setting out our case for readmission of Bury Football Club into the English Football League Two next season.
The letter was prepared following a meeting between Forever Bury and Debbie Jevans late last week when it was suggested Forever Bury submit their arguments in writing. This could then be circulated to the EFL Board Members prior to their scheduled meeting to be held yesterday (Wednesday), when Bury Football Club was to be discussed. Although we have not received a response as of yet, we feel that the supporters of Bury Football Club deserve to see the letter, and this is displayed below.
Dear Ms Jevans,
Firstly, thank you for the opportunity to meet with you and your colleagues on Thursday 5th September 2019, we feel that the meeting was very productive and allowed us to open a positive and constructive dialogue with the EFL.
This letter will cover:
· our proposal which seeks permission for the club’s readmission to League 2;
· an acknowledgement of the current situation; and
· an overview of the impact of the club’s expulsion from the League on the wider footballing family and community.
Proposal
As you are aware, the decision to expel the club from the League has had far reaching social and economic consequences for not only the club and those immediately connected to it, but also for its creditors and the wider community.
In recognition of the urgent need to mitigate the impact of the club’s expulsion, Forever Bury plays a lead role in the town-wide assembled Rescue Board. Chaired by Bury North MP James Frith with fellow members including Ivan Lewis MP for Bury South, the Greater Manchester Combined Authority including the Mayor of Greater Manchester, Andy Burnham and Bury Council with the aim of securing the re-admission of the club to League Two next season. This will include an appeal to all 71 clubs and the EFL predicated on new ownership of the club and an appeal to new bidders to come forward.
To this end, the Rescue Board has already successfully opened positive dialogue with Mr Dale and created a framework which we believe will deliver a positive outcome for Bury Football Club by facilitating a sale of Mr Dale’s shares to a party, and on terms, compatible with League membership.
It is intended that a professional, open and transparent process be created. It is envisaged that with the co-operation of Mr Dale, prospective bidders will be provided with the relevant information about both the Club's financial position and stance within the Community in order to allow them to make informed and credible offers.
All offers received will then be assessed by the Rescue Board to determine their credibility and this Group will provide an endorsement to the EFL of appropriate bidders — we would welcome your input into the criteria against which bids are assessed. It is expected that this process will take 6 weeks.
In addition, with a view to ensuring that Bury and its supporters do not end up in a similar position to where we find ourselves today, it is our intention to request that any prospective purchaser of the club enter into a shareholders’ agreement with Forever Bury, as the second largest shareholder, to include protective provisions including:
· a right of pre-emption on the majority shares for Forever Bury;
· the right of Forever Bury to have at least 1 member on the board of directors;
· a right of access to club financial information / management accounts for Forever Bury;
· a minimum shareholding of 10/15% for Forever Bury which cannot be diluted without agreement; and
· provisions for the automatic transfer of the majority shares should the owner or his nominee:
o cease to be a director (and a reverse provision providing for the majority shareholders resignation as a director in the event of the sale of his shares by automatic transfer or otherwise);
o fail to pass the fit and proper person test;
o is found guilty of any criminal or civil offense; or
o becomes mentally or physically unfit to run the club.
In the event that a prospective purchaser had not passed the fit and proper person test we would also request that upon the completion of a successful bid that they grant an option over their shares to Forever Bury. It is envisaged that the trigger for the option would be the owner’s failure to pass the fit and proper test with the amount payable for the shares should Forever Bury chose to exercise the option being fixed at a pre-agreed price. This would ensure that the club was not left with an ownership incompatible with League membership.
We would also be looking for a prospective purchaser to agree to have a plan in place to successfully deliver the CVA inject a pre-agreed amount of funding into the club immediately upon acquiring the shares to satisfy all post CVA liabilities to ensure creditor action cannot be taken against the club.
Should a prospective purchaser come forward that has the Rescue Board’s support, we would look to work with Mr Dale to facilitate a sale of his shares within the agreed framework.
We recognise that in order to secure re-admission of the club to the League that the EFL will have a number of requirements that must be met. We would be grateful if you would confirm as a matter of urgency exactly what criteria the EFL would require the club to meet, together with any applicable timeframes, to secure the club’s re-admission to League Two next season in addition to the following:
· the club to be under new ownership;
· all football creditor debts to be paid in full;
· other debts settled or renegotiated under new repayment terms;
· proof of funding in place for season 20/21; and
· owner of the club to have passed the EFL owners and directors test.
It is our proposal that re-admission of the club to the League is made under Regulation 11 which provides a mechanism for the EFL Board to admit a club to the League in the event the number of member clubs falls below 72 and for that club to play in League Two in its first season following its successful admission.
Without prejudice to the above, we understand that the Board of the EFL has called a meeting of the 71 remaining members of the League to vote on the issue of the club’s re-admission to League Two next season and we welcome this decision.
It can’t be underestimated the impact that the resubmission of Bury into League 2 will have on the ability to attract buyers for this historic club.
Acknowledgement
We, as the official Supporters’ Trust of Bury Football Club, recognise the difficult decisions that the EFL have faced over the last few months. We acknowledge that over the years Bury Football Club owners have spent money that the club simply did not have. Frustratingly, as a Supporters’ Trust we have had no choice but to stand by as spectators and watch unscrupulous owners gamble the future of the club and ultimately, destroy 134 years of history in the process.
Everyone must understand and acknowledge that the current situation is a lose - lose scenario for every stakeholder in the game, from football governance and members, to the supporters of all clubs across the country.
This decision will set a precedent and therefore all clubs will need to consider if the response is proportionate and strikes the right balance.
A precedent has now been set where clubs have no protection from unprincipled owners who are free to gamble and play with the future of their football clubs; it’s a situation which could happen to any one of the remaining 71 members of the football league. Yes, lessons need to be learned from this, but safeguards need to be in place before the event happens not afterwards to ensure that no other club becomes the victim of a system which is open to abuse as so clearly and catastrophically illustrated in Bury’s case.
Impact on wider footballing family and community
The expulsion of the Club from the League has had wide ranging social and economic consequences that reach much further than the club itself, affecting not only the local community but also the wider football family in ways which the Board may not have been made aware of at the time the decision to expel Bury from the League was made. Appendices 1 & 2 are impact statements from two supporters.
The club under the current management, and as a result of its consequential expulsion from the League, has been decimated with the loss of the following:
· 35 Permanent staff including coaches and office staff. This does not include playing staff.
· 15 contractors and or casual workers.
· 140 youth players ranging from 8 years old through to 16 years old.
· 16 recently signed scholars, all of which are now free to sign for other clubs.
Many employees have not been paid in several months and thus have been severely financially disadvantaged as a direct result of the actions of the owner.
We urge you to look at Appendices 3 & 4 which are statements of impact from current staff members.
Bury has had an extremely successful youth system for several years. Over the last six years the Club has generated in the region of £2 million pounds in transfer fees for academy players, scholars and pro players that have come through our Academy and been coached by our staff. The decision made has inevitably meant the youth academy sadly no longer operates. Again, dedicated staff have lost their jobs and 140 young men have had their education and futures put in doubt as they desperately seek new clubs. We have included a detailed impact statement from Jill Neville (Company Secretary) in Appendix 5 that explains in detail the tragic repercussions.
In the community, numerous local businesses are looking at significant losses to their income, whilst the economic repercussions on the town overall are obvious due to the loss of business for local traders and suppliers and the inevitable loss of visitors from away teams. Please turn to Appendices 6, 7 & 8 that set out impact statements from local businesses that have suffered as a direct result of the club not playing any football so far this season.
The clubs expulsion from the League in the middle of the CVA term has also meant that as matters stand, there is no possibility of the CVA succeeding which will have significant consequences for the numerous CVA creditors.
We would also draw your attention to Appendix 9 which illustrates the owner’s approach.
Summary
The Rescue Board is committed to working with the EFL to secure the club’s return to League Two next season and we hope that this letter is the start of an open dialogue between us to achieve this.
We trust that the Board will consider the representations made herein in good faith and in particular the impact statements provided which illustrate the need for the repercussions of the club’s expulsion to be mitigated quickly by its return to League football next season.
We should be grateful if you would ensure that copies of this letter are made available to all Board members and tabled for discussion at tomorrow’s meeting.
Please note that we are happy to make a representative available to answer any questions that the Board may have and we should be grateful if you would revert at the earliest opportunity following the meeting of the Board.
Yours sincerely,
Forever Bury — Supporters Trust
James Frith — MP for North Bury
Ivan Lewis — MP for South Bury
Andy Burnham — Mayor of Greater Manchester
David Jones — Leader of Bury Council |
Thank you Rocky for posting that without prejudice. | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 02:27 - Sep 13 with 3830 views | kiwidale |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:37 - Sep 12 by Thacks_Rabbits |
The whole local derby thing being a financial windfall is wrong.
Let’s assume they bring 2000, actually pay for tickets, and spend £5 each on pies programs etc. Call that 60k. After police costs, more stewards and damage to seats etc it’s so negligible, for a club run properly.
The game is a fun local rivalry game, but it’s not the be All and end all. We don’t need a bURY or Oldham game, it’s probably no more profitable than Peterborough at home. |
Can you break down the financial cost of losing the Bury match. I'm sure David Bottomley suggested it was worth 80,000 pounds to us I am also aware that wont be all profit? but surely the added expense wont negate all of the 80,000 pounds | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 04:26 - Sep 13 with 3779 views | JumeirahDale |
I don't understand how it can be 80 grand. Without jumping down anyone's throat, I'd like to hear more about how that number comes together. Doesn't pass the "back of envelope" test but I may be missing something. |  | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 05:52 - Sep 13 with 3724 views | BartRowou |
Has anyone got any proof that there is going to be a vote? From memory, the EFL statement said that there will be a discussion about the Bury situation when the chairmen next meet. That's been reinterpreted as "a majority vote will mean Bury get readmitted" but is this actually the case? |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 06:54 - Sep 13 with 3666 views | fitzochris |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 15:28 - Sep 12 by Thacks_Rabbits |
Sure like me R17 you remember the story of the pied piper of Hamlin, although that is probably banned in schools now as he was clearly into animal cruelty and was a paedophilic narcissistic attention seeker, not a good example for children!
bURY will continue to follow and believe anything that is said, they still are now, if Warren Buffett was linked with a takeover, they would be googling his name then opening the champagne and dreaming of the championship and another new stadium.
Even now it’s everyone else’s fault, nothing they could have done and why did nobody help us. Let’s say for example a huge investor approached Rochdale and said I want to buy the club, I have 50 million quid to invest and want to take us to a new level. I know after initial excitement it would be immediately questioned as “Why the hell do you want to invest that in Rochdale?”
Discussions and proper investigations would take place, by the board, commercial team, fans, everybody. Ok some would buy into the dream, but the truth is we would be cynical and every part of the perspective buyers business and history would be investigated thoroughly.
Whilst bURY think they are still big news, the truth is few care other than them, those that do are disorganised, divided and powerless. Notice the lack of bURY visitors posting has dropped to virtually nil. Perhaps they forgot to pay their phone bills!!!! |
A good point about why would anyone want to invest a significant amount in us. You would have to think only a fellow supporter of the club would do such a thing, as there would be no return on a big investment, even if the club was run properly.
It would have to be a lifelong supporter, too. Not someone who, say, supported Oldham when they were younger but switched to Dale to suit a narrative. |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 08:19 - Sep 13 with 3559 views | Cleedale |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 05:52 - Sep 13 by BartRowou |
Has anyone got any proof that there is going to be a vote? From memory, the EFL statement said that there will be a discussion about the Bury situation when the chairmen next meet. That's been reinterpreted as "a majority vote will mean Bury get readmitted" but is this actually the case? |
Exactly.
There's nothing, from memory, in that original statement that mentions going to a vote. There's a lot about being financially viable and sustainable and 'proof' of this without any/or before any EFL funding became available. Hasn't this been the smokescreen Dale's used again and again in saying there's a buyer when no one appears to know or is letting known what the true depth of the 'real' debts are?
Now they're no longer a League club, and the EFL don't recognise them as such, they have to provide all this proof; FIRST, themselves.
Only then would the EFL discuss with other clubs; right?
Re-admittance by a vote would detonate the biggest nuclear war ever seen in any football league in the world EVER!! | | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 08:46 - Sep 13 with 3504 views | Sandyman |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 05:52 - Sep 13 by BartRowou |
Has anyone got any proof that there is going to be a vote? From memory, the EFL statement said that there will be a discussion about the Bury situation when the chairmen next meet. That's been reinterpreted as "a majority vote will mean Bury get readmitted" but is this actually the case? |
The statement says "The Board recognises the efforts being made by supporters’ groups, local authorities and political leaders and their desire for Bury FC to re-enter the EFL from the 2020-21 season. However, the only established procedure for entry to the EFL is through promotion from the National League as part of the wider football pyramid. There is no precedent for a Club to enter the EFL directly through an application for admission or readmission following withdrawal of membership." And, "Notwithstanding the above, and in acknowledgement of the extreme nature of the problems at Bury FC, the EFL Board had agreed it is appropriate to discuss the matter with member Clubs."
https://www.efl.com/news/2019/september/efl-statement-bury-fc/
Re-entering League 2 next year is an unprecedented "desire".The word "discuss" is used, not vote. There is no mention of a "vote" anywhere, except in the imaginations of bury fans. | | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 08:55 - Sep 13 with 3478 views | judd |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 04:26 - Sep 13 by JumeirahDale |
I don't understand how it can be 80 grand. Without jumping down anyone's throat, I'd like to hear more about how that number comes together. Doesn't pass the "back of envelope" test but I may be missing something. |
It might not be far off the mark given a series of assumptions.
Last time we played bury at home there were 1290 away fans in attendance.
Assume all full price paying adults and they are prepared to pay £27.00, that's £35k.
At the same game there were 3311 Dale fans. Assume 90% of season ticket holders attend and the balance of say, 1300 pay on the day at £27.00 = £35k.
That's £70k on the day ticket sales, plus a couple of pies sold and there's your £80k.
I think the critical part for the club is the revenue generated on the day to help keep us within the salary cap rules based on turnover.
But as I said, the facts of actual attendances have been added to assumptions in the above.
As for the cost of staging it, that is a different matter. You also need to factor in that Rochdale would not allow bury to sell tickets on our behalf given bury's propensity to withhold ticket sales revenue from the rightful club, added to the ridiculous levels of pricing anyway. |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 09:42 - Sep 13 with 3377 views | R17ALE |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 08:55 - Sep 13 by judd |
It might not be far off the mark given a series of assumptions.
Last time we played bury at home there were 1290 away fans in attendance.
Assume all full price paying adults and they are prepared to pay £27.00, that's £35k.
At the same game there were 3311 Dale fans. Assume 90% of season ticket holders attend and the balance of say, 1300 pay on the day at £27.00 = £35k.
That's £70k on the day ticket sales, plus a couple of pies sold and there's your £80k.
I think the critical part for the club is the revenue generated on the day to help keep us within the salary cap rules based on turnover.
But as I said, the facts of actual attendances have been added to assumptions in the above.
As for the cost of staging it, that is a different matter. You also need to factor in that Rochdale would not allow bury to sell tickets on our behalf given bury's propensity to withhold ticket sales revenue from the rightful club, added to the ridiculous levels of pricing anyway. |
I'm not so sure to be fair.
Lets say 3000 pay on the day. The average pay in on the day will be around £15 given that the ends average £21 for adults and about 30% will be concessions, not to mention all the 'comps' and hangers on which get added to the final figure.
Therefore: 3000 x £15 = £45,000 minus VAT = £36,000 minus additional police and stewards = circa £30,000.
A home game against Bradford, for example, is worth much more.
Other matchday revenue isn't what it once was, despite the pie price! |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 09:57 - Sep 13 with 3326 views | Quigley_dale |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 09:42 - Sep 13 by R17ALE |
I'm not so sure to be fair.
Lets say 3000 pay on the day. The average pay in on the day will be around £15 given that the ends average £21 for adults and about 30% will be concessions, not to mention all the 'comps' and hangers on which get added to the final figure.
Therefore: 3000 x £15 = £45,000 minus VAT = £36,000 minus additional police and stewards = circa £30,000.
A home game against Bradford, for example, is worth much more.
Other matchday revenue isn't what it once was, despite the pie price! |
I'd also include a rise in our home support, being bury is (was) our cup final! 🙄😂 #obsessed | | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 10:40 - Sep 13 with 3238 views | judd |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 09:42 - Sep 13 by R17ALE |
I'm not so sure to be fair.
Lets say 3000 pay on the day. The average pay in on the day will be around £15 given that the ends average £21 for adults and about 30% will be concessions, not to mention all the 'comps' and hangers on which get added to the final figure.
Therefore: 3000 x £15 = £45,000 minus VAT = £36,000 minus additional police and stewards = circa £30,000.
A home game against Bradford, for example, is worth much more.
Other matchday revenue isn't what it once was, despite the pie price! |
As I said, I based my numbers on assumptions and recent history, and focussed purely on revenue generated, ignoring the costs.
I am not so sure the comps and hangers on are anywhere near what they used to be.
There's also the revenue boost through corporate entertaining, a bigger 50:50 half time draw, boot lace sponsorship opportunities, commemorative black pudding shaped credit card wallets etc.... | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 11:47 - Sep 13 with 3099 views | Thacks_Rabbits |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 09:42 - Sep 13 by R17ALE |
I'm not so sure to be fair.
Lets say 3000 pay on the day. The average pay in on the day will be around £15 given that the ends average £21 for adults and about 30% will be concessions, not to mention all the 'comps' and hangers on which get added to the final figure.
Therefore: 3000 x £15 = £45,000 minus VAT = £36,000 minus additional police and stewards = circa £30,000.
A home game against Bradford, for example, is worth much more.
Other matchday revenue isn't what it once was, despite the pie price! |
I know this season we have effectively lost a home fixture, but in a normal season, we would still be playing someone, so if average away attendance is around 800 (I am guessing at this figure) we would still turn over around £10k after VAT and costs so the real cost of bURY going is probably nearer £20k.
I know that’s a fair bit of cash for us, but take away the hassle bURY cause, the additional planning, damage to the ground, having to see at hear them and most of all the fact they no longer exist as a league club, I think it’s a cost we can cope with, both as a club and especially as fans!
As R17 says, bratfurd are a bigger loss than bURY, tranmere and Ipswich should bring decent crowds, and if we continue to play good football, our crowds should increase a bit as well! | |
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