| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... 13:58 - May 9 with 114085 views | hubble |
..posted by a good friend of mine on Facebook, thought I'd share it on here. He's a former professional footballer (briefly for Birmingham City) and a former copper, working mainly out of Camden police station. He grew up in Kilburn/Queens Park. He's now a writer (among other things).
Worth a read I think, hope you enjoy, whether you agree with him or not, even when he veers off-topic...
"Thoughts of the Week (part 1)
Let’s start with a subheading. ‘Dear, oh dear Diane Abbot!’
In the upcoming General Election campaign and apart from the ‘Leader’ (no, not Gary Glitter) no one is more important for the Labour Party campaign than the Shadow Home Secretary. Why’s this? You ask.
The reason is obvious: Theresa May —the strong woman, Ms subtle, but steely - was the former Home Secretary. A position which she used to inflict near terminal ravages of the nation’s police forces. Under her auspices we saw numbers cut, benefits cut and police stations closed willy-nilly to cash in, short-term, on the booming (especially in London) property market.
The short-sightedness of this policy is astounding. No matter the so-called austerity budget (which only seems to apply to the working classes, while the privileged elite continue to live the life of Riley) the question must be asked as to what will happen when there’s some serious social unrest — and you can feel it stirring. Remember 2011 when the riots broke out? We had anarchy and nihilism on the streets and the police force didn’t cope with it at all. Instead we had a grand mopping up campaign. Suddenly all those poor silly students who had been demonised as hard-core criminals after they smashed the windows of the Tory HQ — and received ridiculously harsh prison sentences for what were in the main first offences - were kicked out of the pokey and replaced by the new batch of rioters. The Criminal Justice system ground to a halt, the prison’s overflowed. The courts were as ram-jam packed as a back-in-the-day David Rodigan dance. In response what did the great Theresa May do? She further decimated the police force. She did the same to the prison service. The vaunted Border Force, our first defence, is comically short of manpower and morale as they attempt to hire staff on Mickey-Mouse contracts. Labour should be slaughtering Theresa May on what she’s done. Instead we got that car crash of an interview on LBC.
To be honest I resisted calls to listen to it for a time. Some of my more right-leaning pals were raving about it, but I thought they were overreacting due to a general contempt for the Hackney MP. I was wrong. When I actually got round to listening to it I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. It was stunningly incompetent, mind-blowingly nonsensical, embarrassing and shocking. Is this the Shadow Home Secretary who’s going to lead the challenge to Theresa May’s record? She should have stood down immediately and if not the great leader should have forced her hand, no matter past rendezvous in the sack. Of course it didn’t happen and Labour under Jeremy Corbyn has no hope in this election. What a shame it all is because there are loads of issues that they should be taking the government to task on. Just look at that bumbling Tommy Cooper impersonator of a Foreign Secretary, a million miles removed from a serious statesman: Mr Retraction — an embarrassment to the nation.
I’m voting Labour in the coming election, but not for Jeremy, more for the thought of the millions of people who are going to suffer under the coming five years of Tory rule: the working men and women who haven’t seen their wages rise, in real terms, for the last thirty years, while the fat cats, sharks and speculators are minted; the students starting out life saddled with debt; the millions who’ll never be able to afford a home; and in honour of the National Health Service, soon to be dismantled further, but remaining the brightest light in the nation’s modern history. What a rotten, unfair and unbalanced society we’ve become.
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:43 - Jun 6 with 1617 views | FDC |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:38 - Jun 6 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Problem is most of the electorate will only see her in these interviews
She was also told not the do the marr one but could not stop herself
I'd say she has cost Labour a lot of votes |
Maybe. She's not a media performer that's for sure. But she's been an MP for donkey's years, and is, I'm told, well respected in the party - her unwavering support for Corbyn shouldn't be forgotten. We may not have had Labour on a left-wing platform at this election without the support of the likes of Abbott.
And I maintain that she comes in for way more stick than she would were she not a black woman.
[race card played]
Edit: I see Guido Fawkes is wánking himself silly over Abbott's poor media performances, complete with rape innuendo [Post edited 6 Jun 2017 13:45]
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:47 - Jun 6 with 1601 views | Hunterhoop |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:16 - Jun 6 by FDC |
I'm not entirely shocked that the Lib Dem-endorsing Economist is saying that the Lib Dems have the best policies  |
That's not what it's saying, mate. It's not an editorial. It's a report of a study done by the IFS into impact to net income by income decile. Have a read. Surprised me. Well, the Tory bit didn't. But surprised me how much better for almost all deciles, but especially the poorest, the LDs' policies are over Labour's. Have a read.
It's staggering how people are not interested in/willingly ignore evidence and independent analysis which doesn't fit their narrative.
Personally, it's not a good story for any income decile across the parties! And Labour obviously come out better than the Tories, but nowhere near the level the momentum narrative would have you believe. Every decile gets poorer under Corbyn, to a greater degree than the LDs.
It's all down to welfare policies rather than headline hunting initiatives. |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:50 - Jun 6 with 1578 views | DannytheR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:38 - Jun 6 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Problem is most of the electorate will only see her in these interviews
She was also told not the do the marr one but could not stop herself
I'd say she has cost Labour a lot of votes |
Yeah, probably. She's a terrible TV performer in an age of TV politics, and clearly doesn't have the self awareness to admit it.
Also think it's unfair to ignore that she got there in the first place having - I think it's reasonable to say — cleared more hurdles to get on in British life than most of us here will have ever had to. |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:55 - Jun 6 with 1558 views | FDC |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:47 - Jun 6 by Hunterhoop |
That's not what it's saying, mate. It's not an editorial. It's a report of a study done by the IFS into impact to net income by income decile. Have a read. Surprised me. Well, the Tory bit didn't. But surprised me how much better for almost all deciles, but especially the poorest, the LDs' policies are over Labour's. Have a read.
It's staggering how people are not interested in/willingly ignore evidence and independent analysis which doesn't fit their narrative.
Personally, it's not a good story for any income decile across the parties! And Labour obviously come out better than the Tories, but nowhere near the level the momentum narrative would have you believe. Every decile gets poorer under Corbyn, to a greater degree than the LDs.
It's all down to welfare policies rather than headline hunting initiatives. |
You keep saying "have a read" ("do some research!") when I have done.
To be fair this is fairly editorialised (as virtually all news reporting is currently)
Of the main parties, the Liberal Democrats promise the most progressive welfare reforms. Unlike Labour, they pledge to unfreeze benefits, reverse cuts to child tax credit and entirely overturn cuts to universal credit. Along with a one-percentage-point rise in all rates of income tax, under their plans the burden of fiscal adjustment falls more evenly along the income distribution. Yet with the Lib Dems below 10% in the polls, many “ordinary working families” face a tough few years ahead.
I'm not sure anyone or anything can be accurately described as "neutral" or "objective". The IFS is ostensibly neutral, yes, but it is as informed by ideology as all economists are. Economists don't all agree on everything do they. I'm not going all "enough with experts", I'm just saying that the IFS isn't the final say in objective reporting of the facts. All economics is based on assumptions.
This report is only referring to welfare payments specifically too of course. [Post edited 6 Jun 2017 13:56]
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:00 - Jun 6 with 1536 views | Northernr |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:38 - Jun 6 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Problem is most of the electorate will only see her in these interviews
She was also told not the do the marr one but could not stop herself
I'd say she has cost Labour a lot of votes |
No the problem is (for Labour) that we're seeing loads of her because Corbyn's put one of his ill-equipped bum chums up for a top job.
We're hearing nothing at all from people like Chukka Ummuna and (biggest shame of all) Keir Starmer because they're leadership threats to Corbyn, even though they'd appeal to wavering potential Labour voters.
Starmer in particular, if you stuck him out there all the time and said "who do you want negotiating Brexit, Boris Johnson, David Davis and Theresa May or this guy?" and you'd kill the Tories "we're the only ones capable of negotiating Brexit properly" stone dead - and that's just about the only bit of wreckage they've got left from a dreadful campaign. |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:04 - Jun 6 with 1520 views | DannytheR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:47 - Jun 6 by Hunterhoop |
That's not what it's saying, mate. It's not an editorial. It's a report of a study done by the IFS into impact to net income by income decile. Have a read. Surprised me. Well, the Tory bit didn't. But surprised me how much better for almost all deciles, but especially the poorest, the LDs' policies are over Labour's. Have a read.
It's staggering how people are not interested in/willingly ignore evidence and independent analysis which doesn't fit their narrative.
Personally, it's not a good story for any income decile across the parties! And Labour obviously come out better than the Tories, but nowhere near the level the momentum narrative would have you believe. Every decile gets poorer under Corbyn, to a greater degree than the LDs.
It's all down to welfare policies rather than headline hunting initiatives. |
It's an interesting story, but you can slant it in one of two ways. Yes, it's a shame that Labour can't or won't lift more people out of financial hardship - you could also look at it as evidence their economic plans are nowhere near as irresponsible or profligate as has been made out.
Obviously, a decision has been made to devote a certain amount of money to ending tuition fees. With that one, it looks to me like an issue that isn't only about the right of ordinary kids to get educated, it's also about the future prosperity of the whole country. As things stand other countries will speed ahead of us because they look at all their young people as a potential talent pool, instead of setting up obstacles for people without wealthy parents and allowing mediocre but well-to-do kids a free pass into the professions, politics and power.
And I hate to say it, but if you find resistance here or in real life to the Lib Dems, people still haven't forgotten what happened with Clegg and tuition fees. That wasn't anything to do with headline hunting, it was about what the Lib Dems did once you actually, finally got into power. Clegg had barely got his arse into the ministerial limo before he betrayed his own campaign promises and British young people. This is why you're still on single figures in the polls. At least the Tories never pretended to be on the side of ordinary kids in the first place! | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:04 - Jun 6 with 1519 views | FDC |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:00 - Jun 6 by Northernr |
No the problem is (for Labour) that we're seeing loads of her because Corbyn's put one of his ill-equipped bum chums up for a top job.
We're hearing nothing at all from people like Chukka Ummuna and (biggest shame of all) Keir Starmer because they're leadership threats to Corbyn, even though they'd appeal to wavering potential Labour voters.
Starmer in particular, if you stuck him out there all the time and said "who do you want negotiating Brexit, Boris Johnson, David Davis and Theresa May or this guy?" and you'd kill the Tories "we're the only ones capable of negotiating Brexit properly" stone dead - and that's just about the only bit of wreckage they've got left from a dreadful campaign. |
I can see where you're coming from, but do you think Ummuna and Starmer being front and centre on a more centrist platform that's less distinguishable from the Tories would have seen the surge in youth registration and voting intention that's being reported? | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:07 - Jun 6 with 1508 views | FDC |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:04 - Jun 6 by DannytheR |
It's an interesting story, but you can slant it in one of two ways. Yes, it's a shame that Labour can't or won't lift more people out of financial hardship - you could also look at it as evidence their economic plans are nowhere near as irresponsible or profligate as has been made out.
Obviously, a decision has been made to devote a certain amount of money to ending tuition fees. With that one, it looks to me like an issue that isn't only about the right of ordinary kids to get educated, it's also about the future prosperity of the whole country. As things stand other countries will speed ahead of us because they look at all their young people as a potential talent pool, instead of setting up obstacles for people without wealthy parents and allowing mediocre but well-to-do kids a free pass into the professions, politics and power.
And I hate to say it, but if you find resistance here or in real life to the Lib Dems, people still haven't forgotten what happened with Clegg and tuition fees. That wasn't anything to do with headline hunting, it was about what the Lib Dems did once you actually, finally got into power. Clegg had barely got his arse into the ministerial limo before he betrayed his own campaign promises and British young people. This is why you're still on single figures in the polls. At least the Tories never pretended to be on the side of ordinary kids in the first place! |
With that one, it looks to me like an issue that isn't only about the right of ordinary kids to get educated, it's also about the future prosperity of the whole country.
This universalist approach is intentional and strategic in attempting to get buy-in for socially democratic policies from a broader coalition of voters. | | | |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:09 - Jun 6 with 1494 views | EastR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:50 - Jun 6 by DannytheR |
Yeah, probably. She's a terrible TV performer in an age of TV politics, and clearly doesn't have the self awareness to admit it.
Also think it's unfair to ignore that she got there in the first place having - I think it's reasonable to say — cleared more hurdles to get on in British life than most of us here will have ever had to. |
she's a prime example (but not the only one) of someone promoted to a position which is beyond her level of competence |  |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:09 - Jun 6 with 1490 views | Northernr |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:04 - Jun 6 by FDC |
I can see where you're coming from, but do you think Ummuna and Starmer being front and centre on a more centrist platform that's less distinguishable from the Tories would have seen the surge in youth registration and voting intention that's being reported? |
Why does it have to be one or the other? Do both. Without Scotland it's incredibly difficult for Labour to win. Do the stuff that's mobilised the youth vote, as you put it, but also do stuff that will appeal to other demos. | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:12 - Jun 6 with 1477 views | DannytheR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:00 - Jun 6 by Northernr |
No the problem is (for Labour) that we're seeing loads of her because Corbyn's put one of his ill-equipped bum chums up for a top job.
We're hearing nothing at all from people like Chukka Ummuna and (biggest shame of all) Keir Starmer because they're leadership threats to Corbyn, even though they'd appeal to wavering potential Labour voters.
Starmer in particular, if you stuck him out there all the time and said "who do you want negotiating Brexit, Boris Johnson, David Davis and Theresa May or this guy?" and you'd kill the Tories "we're the only ones capable of negotiating Brexit properly" stone dead - and that's just about the only bit of wreckage they've got left from a dreadful campaign. |
It is a pity about Keir Starmer - if you put him in a head-to-head with a total chancer like David Davis, people would see the Tory Brexit plans for the shambles they are.
And outside of the bloody election, we might actually stand a chance of negotiating something halfway decent, instead of the pending no deal.
Whether there's been a deliberate attempt to keep him off air by the Labour leadership, I honestly don't know. Wouldn't surprise me, such is the Labour way. But as someone (you?) said, journalists aren't always going to go through the official party channels to get a face on camera anyway, and if you're a TV producer you're going to take Abbot over Starmer every time.
(On that one it's not even a question of bias - part of why Keir Starmer is such a breath of fresh air is that he makes very dull TV - monotone, sensible and big on painstaking detail). [Post edited 6 Jun 2017 14:13]
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:12 - Jun 6 with 1476 views | FDC |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:09 - Jun 6 by Northernr |
Why does it have to be one or the other? Do both. Without Scotland it's incredibly difficult for Labour to win. Do the stuff that's mobilised the youth vote, as you put it, but also do stuff that will appeal to other demos. |
Yeah fair enough. There was a campaign event with Starmer and the rest of the shadow-EU negotiation team last week sometime - and I've heard Corbyn talk about what a top-boy Starmer is etc.
Re Umunna and others like him: it's perfectly possible that they refuse to get involved in the campaign, plenty of centrists are basically on strike. | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:14 - Jun 6 with 1467 views | JamesB1979 |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:04 - Jun 6 by FDC |
I can see where you're coming from, but do you think Ummuna and Starmer being front and centre on a more centrist platform that's less distinguishable from the Tories would have seen the surge in youth registration and voting intention that's being reported? |
Do you want to be distinguishable from the Tories or electable? Surely there is a happy medium. I guess we'll find out Thursday. | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:18 - Jun 6 with 1450 views | Northernr |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:12 - Jun 6 by FDC |
Yeah fair enough. There was a campaign event with Starmer and the rest of the shadow-EU negotiation team last week sometime - and I've heard Corbyn talk about what a top-boy Starmer is etc.
Re Umunna and others like him: it's perfectly possible that they refuse to get involved in the campaign, plenty of centrists are basically on strike. |
Yeh true, probably a few biding their time thinking he'll be gone next week (as May did during the Brexit campaign).
I would have had Starmer everywhere this week though. Tories are desperately trying to drag the discussion off their police cuts and Saudi Arabia report and focus it squarely back on Brexit, it would give them a real problem if Labour had somebody who sounds like he'd be better at it than them on the TV all the week. | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:18 - Jun 6 with 1447 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:12 - Jun 6 by FDC |
Yeah fair enough. There was a campaign event with Starmer and the rest of the shadow-EU negotiation team last week sometime - and I've heard Corbyn talk about what a top-boy Starmer is etc.
Re Umunna and others like him: it's perfectly possible that they refuse to get involved in the campaign, plenty of centrists are basically on strike. |
And that is why JC gets so much support, he wants to fight the tories, they want to be mates with them and let them carry on but you are a communist marxist for saying it |  |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:25 - Jun 6 with 1413 views | JamesB1979 |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:18 - Jun 6 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
And that is why JC gets so much support, he wants to fight the tories, they want to be mates with them and let them carry on but you are a communist marxist for saying it |
But he doesn't get that much support, otherwise he'd be a shoe-in for PM. May is probably one of the worst Tory leaders that I can think of. Yet, she's leading in the polls (albeit declining). There is absolutely on reason why Labour couldn't have been appealing to pretty much all of society. In my view, they should be the ones getting a landslide and the majority of MPs. if they don't, then that's because they have gone too far to the left and alienated a lot of their middle class support. | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:25 - Jun 6 with 1412 views | Northernr |
In other disastrous political interview news, Andrew Mitchell couldn't tell Victoria Derbyshire what the minimum wage was this morning, or how many people are on the council house waiting list.
It's absolute car crash stuff on both sides this. Their interview prep is absolutely shambolic. | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:28 - Jun 6 with 1395 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
Abbot has been pulled out of Evening Standard hustings
Have to say the damage has already been done, maybe they have locked her in a room somewhere till she gets better | |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:32 - Jun 6 with 1381 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:25 - Jun 6 by JamesB1979 |
But he doesn't get that much support, otherwise he'd be a shoe-in for PM. May is probably one of the worst Tory leaders that I can think of. Yet, she's leading in the polls (albeit declining). There is absolutely on reason why Labour couldn't have been appealing to pretty much all of society. In my view, they should be the ones getting a landslide and the majority of MPs. if they don't, then that's because they have gone too far to the left and alienated a lot of their middle class support. |
I think you should be blaming the PLP and not JC for that but then we will be going back to talking about the party elections and I think we know that's not going to get us anywhere now.
Other than Abbot I don't feel anyone else has had a car crash on the Labour side. [Post edited 6 Jun 2017 14:36]
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:35 - Jun 6 with 1360 views | JamesB1979 |
Tories have only just noticed that Labour are taking away marriage tax allowance which will hit all families. Labour may have had its issues in the campaign but the Tory one has to be one of the worst in my lifetime. | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:36 - Jun 6 with 1358 views | johncharles |
I wonder how many centrists will be up late tomorrow night composing a letter to Corbyn.
"Dear Jeremy my old comrade, I always knew you would win. I was always on your side really. Never doubted you for a moment. It was the others.
Please give me a job in your super new cabinet,
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:39 - Jun 6 with 1339 views | Hunterhoop |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:55 - Jun 6 by FDC |
You keep saying "have a read" ("do some research!") when I have done.
To be fair this is fairly editorialised (as virtually all news reporting is currently)
Of the main parties, the Liberal Democrats promise the most progressive welfare reforms. Unlike Labour, they pledge to unfreeze benefits, reverse cuts to child tax credit and entirely overturn cuts to universal credit. Along with a one-percentage-point rise in all rates of income tax, under their plans the burden of fiscal adjustment falls more evenly along the income distribution. Yet with the Lib Dems below 10% in the polls, many “ordinary working families” face a tough few years ahead.
I'm not sure anyone or anything can be accurately described as "neutral" or "objective". The IFS is ostensibly neutral, yes, but it is as informed by ideology as all economists are. Economists don't all agree on everything do they. I'm not going all "enough with experts", I'm just saying that the IFS isn't the final say in objective reporting of the facts. All economics is based on assumptions.
This report is only referring to welfare payments specifically too of course. [Post edited 6 Jun 2017 13:56]
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They're just summarising the story. The quantitative analysis hasn't been editorialised.
And I know it's only welfare. That's all I ever said it was...and the article said it was.
I just find it disappointing how many seemingly reasonable people forego balanced analysis or evidence when it doesn't suit their preconceptions and the party they support. | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:39 - Jun 6 with 1335 views | Northernr |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:36 - Jun 6 by johncharles |
I wonder how many centrists will be up late tomorrow night composing a letter to Corbyn.
"Dear Jeremy my old comrade, I always knew you would win. I was always on your side really. Never doubted you for a moment. It was the others.
Please give me a job in your super new cabinet,
etc. |
None. | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:39 - Jun 6 with 1333 views | FDC |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:36 - Jun 6 by johncharles |
I wonder how many centrists will be up late tomorrow night composing a letter to Corbyn.
"Dear Jeremy my old comrade, I always knew you would win. I was always on your side really. Never doubted you for a moment. It was the others.
Please give me a job in your super new cabinet,
etc. |
I'd bloody love it.
(this is from early May, at 30.5%!)
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:43 - Jun 6 with 1312 views | 1BobbyHazell |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:25 - Jun 6 by JamesB1979 |
But he doesn't get that much support, otherwise he'd be a shoe-in for PM. May is probably one of the worst Tory leaders that I can think of. Yet, she's leading in the polls (albeit declining). There is absolutely on reason why Labour couldn't have been appealing to pretty much all of society. In my view, they should be the ones getting a landslide and the majority of MPs. if they don't, then that's because they have gone too far to the left and alienated a lot of their middle class support. |
Plenty of us wouldn't be voting Labour if Ed f'king Milliband or the odious, and totally hopeless, Owen Smith (the man who wrote disparaging tweets about people demonstrating against the state of the NHS) were pretending to provide a real alternative to the Tories.
Corbyn is providing Actual Opposition as opposed to this mythological, non existant, Effective Opposition (which actually means less opposition) that was parrotted by so many over the previous months.
What has become pleasantly apparent over the last few weeks of campaigning is that a lot of people are realising that the extreme media presentation of Corbyn was deliberately misleading and that maybe looking to alternative values as opposed to another 5 years of the current Tory sh1t show cannot be instantly and ignorantly dismissed as 'not credible'.
She'll still win but there is a mobilisation of young and first time voters that will hopefully progress in the next few years. [Post edited 6 Jun 2017 14:47]
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