| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... 13:58 - May 9 with 116374 views | hubble |
..posted by a good friend of mine on Facebook, thought I'd share it on here. He's a former professional footballer (briefly for Birmingham City) and a former copper, working mainly out of Camden police station. He grew up in Kilburn/Queens Park. He's now a writer (among other things).
Worth a read I think, hope you enjoy, whether you agree with him or not, even when he veers off-topic...
"Thoughts of the Week (part 1)
Let’s start with a subheading. ‘Dear, oh dear Diane Abbot!’
In the upcoming General Election campaign and apart from the ‘Leader’ (no, not Gary Glitter) no one is more important for the Labour Party campaign than the Shadow Home Secretary. Why’s this? You ask.
The reason is obvious: Theresa May —the strong woman, Ms subtle, but steely - was the former Home Secretary. A position which she used to inflict near terminal ravages of the nation’s police forces. Under her auspices we saw numbers cut, benefits cut and police stations closed willy-nilly to cash in, short-term, on the booming (especially in London) property market.
The short-sightedness of this policy is astounding. No matter the so-called austerity budget (which only seems to apply to the working classes, while the privileged elite continue to live the life of Riley) the question must be asked as to what will happen when there’s some serious social unrest — and you can feel it stirring. Remember 2011 when the riots broke out? We had anarchy and nihilism on the streets and the police force didn’t cope with it at all. Instead we had a grand mopping up campaign. Suddenly all those poor silly students who had been demonised as hard-core criminals after they smashed the windows of the Tory HQ — and received ridiculously harsh prison sentences for what were in the main first offences - were kicked out of the pokey and replaced by the new batch of rioters. The Criminal Justice system ground to a halt, the prison’s overflowed. The courts were as ram-jam packed as a back-in-the-day David Rodigan dance. In response what did the great Theresa May do? She further decimated the police force. She did the same to the prison service. The vaunted Border Force, our first defence, is comically short of manpower and morale as they attempt to hire staff on Mickey-Mouse contracts. Labour should be slaughtering Theresa May on what she’s done. Instead we got that car crash of an interview on LBC.
To be honest I resisted calls to listen to it for a time. Some of my more right-leaning pals were raving about it, but I thought they were overreacting due to a general contempt for the Hackney MP. I was wrong. When I actually got round to listening to it I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. It was stunningly incompetent, mind-blowingly nonsensical, embarrassing and shocking. Is this the Shadow Home Secretary who’s going to lead the challenge to Theresa May’s record? She should have stood down immediately and if not the great leader should have forced her hand, no matter past rendezvous in the sack. Of course it didn’t happen and Labour under Jeremy Corbyn has no hope in this election. What a shame it all is because there are loads of issues that they should be taking the government to task on. Just look at that bumbling Tommy Cooper impersonator of a Foreign Secretary, a million miles removed from a serious statesman: Mr Retraction — an embarrassment to the nation.
I’m voting Labour in the coming election, but not for Jeremy, more for the thought of the millions of people who are going to suffer under the coming five years of Tory rule: the working men and women who haven’t seen their wages rise, in real terms, for the last thirty years, while the fat cats, sharks and speculators are minted; the students starting out life saddled with debt; the millions who’ll never be able to afford a home; and in honour of the National Health Service, soon to be dismantled further, but remaining the brightest light in the nation’s modern history. What a rotten, unfair and unbalanced society we’ve become.
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 13:57 - Jun 5 with 2513 views | FDC |
Despite the surge in Labour's polling, it appears that 40-45% of the population would vote Tory even if they pulled off their masks to reveal their lizard-form. |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:29 - Jun 5 with 2450 views | SussexRanger |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 10:00 - Jun 5 by DWQPR |
I almost surprised that none of the resident lefties on this board has complained about the latest political U-turn, this time not by May but by Corbyn with his change of heart on shoot to kill. Took his time but I guess that the rest of the u-turns will come if he gets power, u-turn on Trident, (you watch a review occur before the next party conference, u-turn on tax on earners below £80,000, they will have to because the top 1% who pay 25% of income tax will find ways to reduce their bills, increases in IHT with a lowering of the limit which will make the so-called Tory dementia tax a much more popular proposition, and this by the way would continue not to affect the richest who will make sure that multiple layers of trusts would protect their wealth, u-turn on public sector pay, because they will have no money and in any case a good number of these people will be much worse off once the cost of borrowing escalates in line with the cost of government borrowing, along with inflation. Will be interesting times if this happens and I will predict one thing that by the end of the next parliament the people who will have suffered the most financially will still be the poorest. They always do, they always will. |
You are correct DW. But fear not, there is zero chance of Labour getting in as the British people really aren't that gullible.
Not that one needs to go to University to work out the bleeding obvious, but this does explain things in simple terms:
An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Corbyn’s vision of socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Corbyn’s ideological plan”. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A…. (substituting grades for £ ’s )something closer to home and more readily understood by all).
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.
To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
It could not be any simpler than that.
There are five morals to this story:
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation. |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:49 - Jun 5 with 2413 views | Maggsinho |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:29 - Jun 5 by SussexRanger |
You are correct DW. But fear not, there is zero chance of Labour getting in as the British people really aren't that gullible.
Not that one needs to go to University to work out the bleeding obvious, but this does explain things in simple terms:
An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Corbyn’s vision of socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Corbyn’s ideological plan”. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A…. (substituting grades for £ ’s )something closer to home and more readily understood by all).
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.
To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
It could not be any simpler than that.
There are five morals to this story:
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation. |
It may explain things in simple terms but it's also made up.
http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/socialism.asp |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:54 - Jun 5 with 2402 views | SussexRanger |
I'm aware of that. But true, nevertheless. | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 15:03 - Jun 5 with 2376 views | DannytheR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:29 - Jun 5 by SussexRanger |
You are correct DW. But fear not, there is zero chance of Labour getting in as the British people really aren't that gullible.
Not that one needs to go to University to work out the bleeding obvious, but this does explain things in simple terms:
An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Corbyn’s vision of socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Corbyn’s ideological plan”. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A…. (substituting grades for £ ’s )something closer to home and more readily understood by all).
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.
To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
It could not be any simpler than that.
There are five morals to this story:
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation. |
Not sure which I prefer about this, the idea that the vast complex web of human psychology, motivation, risk, reward and social responsibility can be boiled down into one easily cut and pastable meme - or the fact the poster hasn't even credited where he cut and pasted the entire thing from: http://www.iaindale.com (via, as iain dale at least vaguely hints at, much of the internet beforehand: http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/socialism.asp)
Moral 6: 'Why bother having an original thought when you can just C+P something trite off the internet?"
Next lesson: Matrix memes. |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 15:08 - Jun 5 with 2360 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:54 - Jun 5 by SussexRanger |
I'm aware of that. But true, nevertheless. |
Up voted by mistake |  |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 15:11 - Jun 5 with 2344 views | stevec |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 15:03 - Jun 5 by DannytheR |
Not sure which I prefer about this, the idea that the vast complex web of human psychology, motivation, risk, reward and social responsibility can be boiled down into one easily cut and pastable meme - or the fact the poster hasn't even credited where he cut and pasted the entire thing from: http://www.iaindale.com (via, as iain dale at least vaguely hints at, much of the internet beforehand: http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/socialism.asp)
Moral 6: 'Why bother having an original thought when you can just C+P something trite off the internet?"
Next lesson: Matrix memes. |
That's the trouble with you lefties Danny, it's all mememe |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 15:12 - Jun 5 with 2347 views | DannytheR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 15:11 - Jun 5 by stevec |
That's the trouble with you lefties Danny, it's all mememe |
That's actually very good Steve. Maybe we'll spare you from the re-education camp after all. | | | |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 15:52 - Jun 5 with 2246 views | FredManRave |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 15:12 - Jun 5 by DannytheR |
That's actually very good Steve. Maybe we'll spare you from the re-education camp after all. |
I would have thought you-d be sending him to a Labour camp. |  |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 16:08 - Jun 5 with 2209 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 11:37 - Jun 5 by hubble |
Manchester bomber was known to authorities. Westminster bridge killer known to authorities. Latest lot known to authorities. They're always known to the authorities. How comes no one draws the conclusion that maybe the authorities are to blame? These people are allowed to flourish in our midst because it suits the authorities.
Here's some information to get your heads around:
"The suicide bomber, Salman Abedi, was part of an extremist group, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, that thrived in Manchester and was cultivated and used by MI5 for more than 20 years.
The LIFG is proscribed by Britain as a terrorist organisation which seeks a "hardline Islamic state" in Libya and "is part of the wider global Islamist extremist movement, as inspired by al-Qaida".
The "smoking gun" is that when Theresa May was Home Secretary, LIFG jihadists were allowed to travel unhindered across Europe and encouraged to engage in "battle": first to remove Mu'ammar Gadaffi in Libya, then to join al-Qaida affiliated groups in Syria.
Last year, the FBI reportedly placed Abedi on a "terrorist watch list" and warned MI5 that his group was looking for a "political target" in Britain. Why wasn't he apprehended and the network around him prevented from planning and executing the atrocity on 22 May?
These questions arise because of an FBI leak that demolished the "lone wolf" spin in the wake of the 22 May attack - thus, the panicky, uncharacteristic outrage directed at Washington from London and Donald Trump's apology."
Critical question:
"Why did the security service MI5 maintain terrorist "assets" in Manchester and why did the government did not warn the public of the threat in their midst?"
This question "remains unanswered, deflected by the promise of an internal "review".
"In 2011, according to Middle East Eye, the LIFG in Manchester were known as the "Manchester boys". Implacably opposed to Mu'ammar Gaddafi, they were considered high risk and a number were under Home Office control orders - house arrest - when anti-Gaddafi demonstrations broke out in Libya, a country forged from myriad tribal enmities.
Suddenly the control orders were lifted. "I was allowed to go, no questions asked," said one LIFG member. MI5 returned their passports and counter-terrorism police at Heathrow airport were told to let them board their flights."
Full article: http://johnpilger.com/articles/terro...-minister-know
And now this:
Edit: just seen Lytham's posted very similarly and quoted the excellent John Pilger article in the London Bridge thread. Well I think it's equally pertinent here too, but sorry for the dupe.
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 16:09 - Jun 5 with 2208 views | TacticalR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 19:34 - Jun 3 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
!970's
You want to take us back to the 1870's
You were the one saying you want more cuts and have not said you don't want them for those I mention I'm sure you are just "chucking" at the thought
Apart from that you have no idea about my life or my work life to judge me, you speak like you are the only one to have worked hard and paid their taxes, you are basically calling anyone that supports Labour a a scounger a layabout without knowing what they do, how hard they may work " just to get by" those same nurses you want to cut their wages from that supports labour, the dirt beneath your feet.
I got called out for tarring all tories with the same brush, so now I'll call you out
Nice guy befecked with that post on cuts. [Post edited 3 Jun 2017 20:25]
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In a speech in December the Governor of the Bank of England Mark Carney said: "We meet today during the first lost decade since the 1860s. Over the past decade real earnings have grown at the slowest rate since the mid-19th century."
Mark Carney warns Britain is suffering first lost decade since 1860
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/12/05/mark-carney-warns-first-lost-deca |  |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 16:16 - Jun 5 with 2196 views | DannytheR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 15:52 - Jun 5 by FredManRave |
I would have thought you-d be sending him to a Labour camp. |
No, Steve's just been having what's known as a difficult Labour. | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 16:27 - Jun 5 with 2165 views | SussexRanger |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 15:03 - Jun 5 by DannytheR |
Not sure which I prefer about this, the idea that the vast complex web of human psychology, motivation, risk, reward and social responsibility can be boiled down into one easily cut and pastable meme - or the fact the poster hasn't even credited where he cut and pasted the entire thing from: http://www.iaindale.com (via, as iain dale at least vaguely hints at, much of the internet beforehand: http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/socialism.asp)
Moral 6: 'Why bother having an original thought when you can just C+P something trite off the internet?"
Next lesson: Matrix memes. |
In fairness Danny, only posted that to counteract some of the ridiculous left wing crap I read on here.
If you want some original thinking, here goes.
I think we need the tories re-elected with a larger majority, simply to stop the combined efforts of the SNP and LibDems voting against perfectly reasonable policies for the sake of opposing for the sake of it, causing problems and delaying progress. Hope it's not too large though, as every government needs to be held to account and the more moderate parts of the party can ensure that happens when necessary.
Let's face it, the leaders debate debacle showed that there is a distinct lack of leadership and integrity in all the opposition parties. UKIP appear to be a busted flush now and Farron has lost the Libs any remaining credibility they may still have had.
There can as usual, only be two parties in with a chance of winning an election outright. Sadly for the Labour party, they have the most unelectable leader since Michael Foot. His possibly well meaning but totally flawed ideas can only lead to yet further disaster on the economic front, as we have witnessed every time a Labour government gain power. Despite these years of austerity, our national debt is still out of control as we haven't quite yet managed to negate the deficit, let alone tackle the debt. That is the result of the lying Blair and his "things can only get better" bull, aided and abetted by an incompetent as chancellor.
Even if the economic realities of a seriously flawed so called "costed manifesto" weren't enough, he also has his past behaviour to account for. I'm sure you don't need me to point them all out.
What I would really like though is once we have the deficit sorted, start nibbling away at the debt, but a fair bit slower than May and her sort would like. Of course the country needs to be made fairer for everyone than it is now. I think that can be done by going back to the true conservative values of the past. Not the Thatcher "I'm all right Jack" type but the type where we wanted to look after everybody, even with fiscal sense. Why should we support those who can work and choose not to, simply because the option is there? Why should the vulnerable and disabled lose out on help because of the many claiming the money that they should be receiving, fraudulently? I know of one supposedly disabled person who was until now getting a new car every three years when there wasn't much wrong with her at all. Many hardworking young families don't have that luxury.
Having said that, there are quite obviously some large corporations and certain individuals with far too big a slice of the pie. That cannot be right, however much one may support the free market and the ability of some hard working people to do well. But a wholehearted attack on them, in order to waste on certain people that most certainly don't deserve it isn't really the answer imo.
This Labour party, with quite possibly the worst front bench imagineable is no answer. They are just offering something for everyone, in the full knowledge that it's not possible. That constitutes lying in my book. It will lead to further borrowing, further debt and further future trouble for our young people.
Let's just get the best possible deal,we can on Brexit with the whole country pulling together instead of some dragging us down, holding us back. Then we can look forward to a future which could be bright if we get a chance at it. | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 16:32 - Jun 5 with 2147 views | robith |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 15:11 - Jun 5 by stevec |
That's the trouble with you lefties Danny, it's all mememe |
That's your best ever post. Take a bow son. |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 16:40 - Jun 5 with 2119 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 16:27 - Jun 5 by SussexRanger |
In fairness Danny, only posted that to counteract some of the ridiculous left wing crap I read on here.
If you want some original thinking, here goes.
I think we need the tories re-elected with a larger majority, simply to stop the combined efforts of the SNP and LibDems voting against perfectly reasonable policies for the sake of opposing for the sake of it, causing problems and delaying progress. Hope it's not too large though, as every government needs to be held to account and the more moderate parts of the party can ensure that happens when necessary.
Let's face it, the leaders debate debacle showed that there is a distinct lack of leadership and integrity in all the opposition parties. UKIP appear to be a busted flush now and Farron has lost the Libs any remaining credibility they may still have had.
There can as usual, only be two parties in with a chance of winning an election outright. Sadly for the Labour party, they have the most unelectable leader since Michael Foot. His possibly well meaning but totally flawed ideas can only lead to yet further disaster on the economic front, as we have witnessed every time a Labour government gain power. Despite these years of austerity, our national debt is still out of control as we haven't quite yet managed to negate the deficit, let alone tackle the debt. That is the result of the lying Blair and his "things can only get better" bull, aided and abetted by an incompetent as chancellor.
Even if the economic realities of a seriously flawed so called "costed manifesto" weren't enough, he also has his past behaviour to account for. I'm sure you don't need me to point them all out.
What I would really like though is once we have the deficit sorted, start nibbling away at the debt, but a fair bit slower than May and her sort would like. Of course the country needs to be made fairer for everyone than it is now. I think that can be done by going back to the true conservative values of the past. Not the Thatcher "I'm all right Jack" type but the type where we wanted to look after everybody, even with fiscal sense. Why should we support those who can work and choose not to, simply because the option is there? Why should the vulnerable and disabled lose out on help because of the many claiming the money that they should be receiving, fraudulently? I know of one supposedly disabled person who was until now getting a new car every three years when there wasn't much wrong with her at all. Many hardworking young families don't have that luxury.
Having said that, there are quite obviously some large corporations and certain individuals with far too big a slice of the pie. That cannot be right, however much one may support the free market and the ability of some hard working people to do well. But a wholehearted attack on them, in order to waste on certain people that most certainly don't deserve it isn't really the answer imo.
This Labour party, with quite possibly the worst front bench imagineable is no answer. They are just offering something for everyone, in the full knowledge that it's not possible. That constitutes lying in my book. It will lead to further borrowing, further debt and further future trouble for our young people.
Let's just get the best possible deal,we can on Brexit with the whole country pulling together instead of some dragging us down, holding us back. Then we can look forward to a future which could be bright if we get a chance at it. |
Only this tory party are still the ..I'm all right Jack / nasty party. maybe even worse than Thatcher and that won't change. [Post edited 5 Jun 2017 16:46]
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 17:20 - Jun 5 with 2046 views | DannytheR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 16:27 - Jun 5 by SussexRanger |
In fairness Danny, only posted that to counteract some of the ridiculous left wing crap I read on here.
If you want some original thinking, here goes.
I think we need the tories re-elected with a larger majority, simply to stop the combined efforts of the SNP and LibDems voting against perfectly reasonable policies for the sake of opposing for the sake of it, causing problems and delaying progress. Hope it's not too large though, as every government needs to be held to account and the more moderate parts of the party can ensure that happens when necessary.
Let's face it, the leaders debate debacle showed that there is a distinct lack of leadership and integrity in all the opposition parties. UKIP appear to be a busted flush now and Farron has lost the Libs any remaining credibility they may still have had.
There can as usual, only be two parties in with a chance of winning an election outright. Sadly for the Labour party, they have the most unelectable leader since Michael Foot. His possibly well meaning but totally flawed ideas can only lead to yet further disaster on the economic front, as we have witnessed every time a Labour government gain power. Despite these years of austerity, our national debt is still out of control as we haven't quite yet managed to negate the deficit, let alone tackle the debt. That is the result of the lying Blair and his "things can only get better" bull, aided and abetted by an incompetent as chancellor.
Even if the economic realities of a seriously flawed so called "costed manifesto" weren't enough, he also has his past behaviour to account for. I'm sure you don't need me to point them all out.
What I would really like though is once we have the deficit sorted, start nibbling away at the debt, but a fair bit slower than May and her sort would like. Of course the country needs to be made fairer for everyone than it is now. I think that can be done by going back to the true conservative values of the past. Not the Thatcher "I'm all right Jack" type but the type where we wanted to look after everybody, even with fiscal sense. Why should we support those who can work and choose not to, simply because the option is there? Why should the vulnerable and disabled lose out on help because of the many claiming the money that they should be receiving, fraudulently? I know of one supposedly disabled person who was until now getting a new car every three years when there wasn't much wrong with her at all. Many hardworking young families don't have that luxury.
Having said that, there are quite obviously some large corporations and certain individuals with far too big a slice of the pie. That cannot be right, however much one may support the free market and the ability of some hard working people to do well. But a wholehearted attack on them, in order to waste on certain people that most certainly don't deserve it isn't really the answer imo.
This Labour party, with quite possibly the worst front bench imagineable is no answer. They are just offering something for everyone, in the full knowledge that it's not possible. That constitutes lying in my book. It will lead to further borrowing, further debt and further future trouble for our young people.
Let's just get the best possible deal,we can on Brexit with the whole country pulling together instead of some dragging us down, holding us back. Then we can look forward to a future which could be bright if we get a chance at it. |
So, by your own account, after seven years of Tory government the national debt is still out of control? But these are the same people you want to keep entrusting the economy to? Just so we're clear, how many years are we going to give them to sort things out? 15? 20? 100?
You'd think that with the economy still in such dubious shape, it would - as you say - be a case of everyone pulling together. Strange then, that the government response is to publicly rule out tax rises for the wealthiest, while making no such declaration about potential tax rises for low and middle income earners.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-tory-tax-policy-rise-i
Do we really want to have a full and frank conversation about the pasts of our candidates for government? If so, you can dig out your photos of Gerry Adams and we can compare them with the colourful pasts of such reputable figures as Boris Johnson and Liam Fox. But of course, you're right. It's a scandal that a candidate for Prime Minister would ever have cordial meetings with people actively engaged in supporting terrorism against the British public.
On that subject, it would be good if we the British public could be told of the findings of the Home Office inquiry into the links between the Saudi government and international jihadism, but strangely as things stand the government won't say when they're going to release it.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/terror-funding-report-home-office-saudi-ara
(Apparently they're going to decide after the election).
Good to know the DWP have made sure your "supposedly disabled" acquaintance no longer gets a new car. Certainly worth the huge increase in mental health problems and even suicides among sanctioned and disabled claimants and the thousands of people who have died shortly after being declared "fit to work" by the DWP. No new cars for them either. | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 17:30 - Jun 5 with 2020 views | johncharles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:29 - Jun 5 by SussexRanger |
You are correct DW. But fear not, there is zero chance of Labour getting in as the British people really aren't that gullible.
Not that one needs to go to University to work out the bleeding obvious, but this does explain things in simple terms:
An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Corbyn’s vision of socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Corbyn’s ideological plan”. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A…. (substituting grades for £ ’s )something closer to home and more readily understood by all).
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.
To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
It could not be any simpler than that.
There are five morals to this story:
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation. |
So you went to a Texes Tech in 2009. |  |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 17:35 - Jun 5 with 2001 views | johncharles |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 14:54 - Jun 5 by SussexRanger |
I'm aware of that. But true, nevertheless. |
But the bit about "local University" was a lie. | |
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 17:58 - Jun 5 with 1973 views | BillericayR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 17:35 - Jun 5 by johncharles |
But the bit about "local University" was a lie. |
Comrades - the battle is on for our security. 8 minutes on Saturday for the police to re-act, search and kill. I would call that very impressive.
But JC does not like that. He would have wanted the terrorists captured so that he could talk with them. Just like Osama.
He will not press the nuke button if we are under attack because he would hate to kill millions of people.
Thanks Comrade JC for protecting me - I assume it is OK for millions of Brits to be killed.
It is a deterent - if our enemies know they will be obliterated if making a attack then they will not attack.
Twice in the nineties my office was destroyed by his friends in the IRA.
An hour earlier and we would have been cut to pieces by the flying glass that flew into the plaster on the opposite wall.
I am sure as many have said that he is a nice man - not so sure about comrade McDonnell. What is the betting that comrade Livingstone will be pressing for a cabinet place if the un-thinkable happens. | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:09 - Jun 5 with 1958 views | DannytheR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 17:58 - Jun 5 by BillericayR |
Comrades - the battle is on for our security. 8 minutes on Saturday for the police to re-act, search and kill. I would call that very impressive.
But JC does not like that. He would have wanted the terrorists captured so that he could talk with them. Just like Osama.
He will not press the nuke button if we are under attack because he would hate to kill millions of people.
Thanks Comrade JC for protecting me - I assume it is OK for millions of Brits to be killed.
It is a deterent - if our enemies know they will be obliterated if making a attack then they will not attack.
Twice in the nineties my office was destroyed by his friends in the IRA.
An hour earlier and we would have been cut to pieces by the flying glass that flew into the plaster on the opposite wall.
I am sure as many have said that he is a nice man - not so sure about comrade McDonnell. What is the betting that comrade Livingstone will be pressing for a cabinet place if the un-thinkable happens. |
Is this post available in graph form? | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:24 - Jun 5 with 1938 views | BillericayR |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:09 - Jun 5 by DannytheR |
Is this post available in graph form? |
Yes - in the USA or Canada - post Brexit....... | | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:25 - Jun 5 with 1936 views | TheBlob |
Where's Diane?Tenner prize.
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| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:31 - Jun 5 with 1925 views | Northernr |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:25 - Jun 5 by TheBlob |
Where's Diane?Tenner prize.
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Yes the clear and obvious strategy to just try and hide the dozy cow away for three or four days until after the election, lest she get on the television and start talking again, doesn't really work when there's been a major terror attack and she's shadow home secretary does it?
If the election is as close as the polls suggest I wonder if Corbyn will reflect that his faith in her cost him it. |  | | |
| On Diane Abbot, why we should vote Labour anyway, and more... on 18:36 - Jun 5 with 1913 views | johncharles |
Maybe they should roll her out to reply to any questions with personal attacks on Theresa May. | |
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