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"I will limit imigration" Sorry, they won't allow me to do that! "I will divorce the UK from the European Court of Justice decisions" Sorry, they won't allow me to do that! "I will stop imigrants from claiming child allowances for kids they might have and are living abroad" Sorry, they won't allow me to do that! I will re-gain the UK its soverenty for uK people Sorry, they won't allow me to do that! "Well what about limiting unemployment benefit for 13 years" Sorry, they won't allow me to do that!
OK Mr Cameron how can we ever trust you to keep your promises? Sorry, they won't allow me to do that!
And these are only a few of the failings relating to membership of the EU.
Now will someone post a list of the good things that the UK can expect so that we can have a balances argument?
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Remain in the eu on 12:51 - Feb 20 with 6125 views
I will vote yes even though I dislike the eu. unfortunately it'll be financially calamity to pull out, we are too entrenched. No will equal a huge amount of job losses, financial insecurity and a collapse in exports. I will vote yes with a heavy heart but the losses will outweigh the gains.
I haven't voted in this poll, but will do so in the June 23rd referendum.
I genuinely can't make up my mind. There's far too much uncertainty either way for anyone to credibly claim to know what the consequences of staying in or voting to leave will be. Each point of debate has a counterpoint.
I believe Cameron has done his best but what he's come back from Brussels with falls short of what he set out to achieve. It's a marginal improvement in our position, but the opposition he faced should tell us all that the other EU members are primarily in it for their own benefit. That's now slightly less at our expense.
In the end, the way I vote will probably come down to gut instinct. It depends what happens in the next four months. If the Stay campaign rely too much on the fear factor, it could easily sway me the other way - we're not the type of people for making decisions about ourselves based on fear (or at least, we weren't). I'd like to see a really good debate, and the Scottish referendum was a marker for that.
I will vote yes even though I dislike the eu. unfortunately it'll be financially calamity to pull out, we are too entrenched. No will equal a huge amount of job losses, financial insecurity and a collapse in exports. I will vote yes with a heavy heart but the losses will outweigh the gains.
I think you are worrying unnecessarilly. Do you think Europe will stop selling to us or buying from us if we leave? They need our business. However, we are restricted from seeking to buy from elsewhere. Leaving would open up our markets and increase our bargaining power. Don,t get fooled by the doom mongers. Nothing much will change on the import/ export side of things. Or the jobs front. The only thing being we will be to determine the terms and conditions of all things pertaining to this country and its governance. We take what we like and leave what we don't. Something that cannot be guaranteed within the EU. Cameron's deal is not a game changer for this country. As time goes by we will slowly be sucked back into things we disagree with. Better off out in my opinion.
The worm of time turns not for the cuckoo of circumstance.
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Remain in the eu on 13:41 - Feb 20 with 6006 views
I think you are worrying unnecessarilly. Do you think Europe will stop selling to us or buying from us if we leave? They need our business. However, we are restricted from seeking to buy from elsewhere. Leaving would open up our markets and increase our bargaining power. Don,t get fooled by the doom mongers. Nothing much will change on the import/ export side of things. Or the jobs front. The only thing being we will be to determine the terms and conditions of all things pertaining to this country and its governance. We take what we like and leave what we don't. Something that cannot be guaranteed within the EU. Cameron's deal is not a game changer for this country. As time goes by we will slowly be sucked back into things we disagree with. Better off out in my opinion.
I think it will be a close run thing, but as many waverers end up voting for the status quo I think we will stay in. Problem with the EU, you have politicians from over 20 countries having to get a consensus on major decisions, yet half of these countries can not even run their own countries. The EU hasn't even signed of its accounts for years as they know it will uncover huge corruption and mismanagement issues
UK needs to be more aggressive in building relationships with the big population countries who are starting to generate wealth and consumer spending power beyond the elite. Add the USA and japan to this group and you find that very few of these growth markets are in Europe. Would be a no from me but I expect a yes vote
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Remain in the eu on 14:27 - Feb 20 with 5918 views
That sums up my position also. I can see the pro's and con's for the argument. In 1975 I voted to stay out but in the intervening 40 years I've spent quite a bit of time in Europe and I like holidaying there.
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Remain in the eu on 14:33 - Feb 20 with 5900 views
I will vote yes even though I dislike the eu. unfortunately it'll be financially calamity to pull out, we are too entrenched. No will equal a huge amount of job losses, financial insecurity and a collapse in exports. I will vote yes with a heavy heart but the losses will outweigh the gains.
I agree.
Staying in EU is in our best interests overall, warts and all
I will vote yes even though I dislike the eu. unfortunately it'll be financially calamity to pull out, we are too entrenched. No will equal a huge amount of job losses, financial insecurity and a collapse in exports. I will vote yes with a heavy heart but the losses will outweigh the gains.
The British economy will be absolutely fine once the initial shock of leaving has been absorbed. In my working life, I have sold software to dozens of countries around the globe, from Russia to California and from Iceland to Australia and no one has ever done a deal because we are in the EU and no one from the EU bureaucracy has ever lifted a finger to help a deal progress. The only two ingredients involved in exporting are 1. do you have a good product? And 2. is it the right price? leaving the EU will be a massive boost to British business when we will no longer have to tow the undemocratic, sclerotic Titanic that is the EU behind us. Free to decide our own priorities, free to fire our politicians every 5 years, free to do deals with whoever we want to make them with (or not). And trust me the big American multinationals are not going to make a bolt for the exit if the option is working in Paris or Cologne. Eurobus will still want us to make wings for their airframes, Audi and Mercedes will still want to sell cars to us and indeed, Cars and Food exports and imports are protected from any sort of tariffs so a large % of our trade will be wholly unaffected.
I voted out in 1975 and as much as I enjoy my holidays in Europe, the EU is squeezing the life out of my country and I hate it for that reason. I have voted for every major party at one time or another in what I always considered was the best interest of the country at the time. At last, I have the chance to right-a-wrong for which Heath and Wilson should be forever held responsible. Please don't listen to the threats and lies that the Remainers and the bought-and-paid for media will rain down on us for the next 4 months. Vote for Britain,vote OUT!
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Remain in the eu on 15:12 - Feb 20 with 5802 views
A couple of the arguments the stay in use, job losses, well it did a great job for all the steel workers. Even a big demonstration by steel workers in Europe didn't help. Just why wont the EU ban Chinese steel being dumped here ? It didn't help the miners when the last deep mine was closed. It benefited cheap EU coal being dumped here. Lost investments, well its our money in the first place 55million pounds a day it cost us. The EU bans fishermen from catching a couple of fish, While Spanish factory ships hover up millions of tons of fish in our waters. If our fisherman go over the quota they are suppose to dump all the fish back in the sea. Another good idea from the EU. Pig farmers selling their pigs for a 10 pounds loss , due to EU pig farmers dumping theirs over here.
There is nobody in this or past Governments who will stick up for the British people. It is time to get out of this totally corrupted organisation.
A large VAT Dave
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Remain in the eu on 15:24 - Feb 20 with 5773 views
Economic: In a global economy, I think we'll be better trading from within the EU.
Geo-Political: It's highly unlikely we'll have a European war whilst there is a European Union.
Personal: I prefer the freedom of travel/employment that I enjoy being part of EU.
All other complaints about being part of EU don't persuade me to exit EU: Immigration (I think there's an overall benefit); Excessive regulation (I think a UK government would be equally officious) etc
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Remain in the eu on 16:36 - Feb 20 with 5606 views
Economic: In a global economy, I think we'll be better trading from within the EU.
Geo-Political: It's highly unlikely we'll have a European war whilst there is a European Union.
Personal: I prefer the freedom of travel/employment that I enjoy being part of EU.
All other complaints about being part of EU don't persuade me to exit EU: Immigration (I think there's an overall benefit); Excessive regulation (I think a UK government would be equally officious) etc
Economic: Fair point, I disagree. If we get out so will others.
Geo-Political: Doesn't stop the possibility of us being involved in another world war.
Personal: We all have freedom of travel with or without the EU
Whilst there are hundreds of thousands unemployed, where are the benefits of immigration?
YOU do not have the right to give someone else permission to tell me what I can and can't do.
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Remain in the eu on 17:49 - Feb 20 with 5503 views
I will vote yes even though I dislike the eu. unfortunately it'll be financially calamity to pull out, we are too entrenched. No will equal a huge amount of job losses, financial insecurity and a collapse in exports. I will vote yes with a heavy heart but the losses will outweigh the gains.
Genuine questions: why would it be a financial calamity? and why would it mean job losses? Which jobs would have to go? And why the collapse in exports?
I'm really not trying to shout you or anyone down here, its just that I am curious as to why you conclude this.
At present we send about £20 bn / year to the EU, about half of which (prob a bit less than half now) we get back in grants and subsidies for specific projects. Germany, France and Italy would still want free access to our huge car market in any event (count the German cars on our roads) so any trade barrier would hurt them more as it would have to work both ways. Various countries have free trade agreements with the EU without being members.
Edgar Allan's Crow
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Remain in the eu on 18:57 - Feb 20 with 5360 views
It will be close especially with Cameron "leading" the campaign to stay in. Many none Tories will vote against staying in just to give Cameron a bloody nose, even if this should not be the case. On the other hand if Farage has a large part in the leave campaign then it might put people off. Hope people vote on facts rather for or against individual politicians, business people or other so called personalities.
I do believe it should have been end of September than end of June, just so that the many May elections were out of the way, as well as the summer holiday period and we could have had a long campaign on all the issues. As a political type, will look forward to the debates. I don't think I will be campaigning on this issue myself, certainly not much.
I vote the we revert to being in Lancashire. April 1st 1974 was where it all started to go wrong.
I Always put down as being Rochdale, Lancs , NEVER Gtr Manchester. The more of us who do so the better. I am Lancastrian not a Mancunian, after of course Rochdalian.
I Always put down as being Rochdale, Lancs , NEVER Gtr Manchester. The more of us who do so the better. I am Lancastrian not a Mancunian, after of course Rochdalian.
In any case, Royal Mail has never recognised 'Greater Manchester' as a geographical entity. It has always worked on the old 'shire' areas. This was confirmed to me following an issue I raised with Paul Rowen when he was our MP.
That said, I always have and will continue to refer to Rochdale as being in 'Lancashire' .
“It is easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooledâ€
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Remain in the eu on 22:24 - Feb 20 with 5016 views
In any case, Royal Mail has never recognised 'Greater Manchester' as a geographical entity. It has always worked on the old 'shire' areas. This was confirmed to me following an issue I raised with Paul Rowen when he was our MP.
That said, I always have and will continue to refer to Rochdale as being in 'Lancashire' .
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