| Mass murder in Kenya 07:25 - Sep 22 with 22847 views | loftboy |
All in the name of that peacefull religion again |  |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 12:02 - Sep 22 with 2235 views | BrianMcCarthy |
No, it doesn't, and that's a good point that's often missed. Most conflicts are multifaceted, a mixture of religion, culture, territory, greed, indoctrination, ignorance of self and others and perceived loyalty. Most of which those of us born outside those conflicts can never fully understand.
As Kevin McAleer would put it never criticise a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes. That way you're a mile away first, and you have his shoes. |  |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 12:30 - Sep 22 with 2217 views | Brightonhoop |
Church of England invest in Arms dealers that kill elsewhere in the world. They are also very much part of the State that has supported American aggression over the decades since the end of the Second Wolrd War including the most recent forays into Iraq and Afghanistan, murdering millions of women and children amongst non-Christian populations that have known nothing but war.
The idea that US policy is driven by anything but greed and dressed up in aggressive Christianity, followed by the Church of England, is absolute phallacy. The vast majority of all Religions practiced by ordinary folk are genuinely peaceful. The idea that the Church of England is some kind of collection of peace loving beatniks is wrong. It is up to the followers and believers to wrestle back control of both Islam and Christianity and to force the leaders to practice what they preach, before they both bring this world to an end. The only viable alternative is to ban all Religions. [Post edited 22 Sep 2013 12:35]
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 12:30 - Sep 22 with 2217 views | TacticalR |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 11:45 - Sep 22 by SpiritofGregory |
I'm fed up with hearing lets talk to this group and that group, what good does it do?
The time for talking is over, people need to rise up and find their voice again and if you don't like something say it and deal with it. We don't live in a free society, we have to stomach happly clappy rubbish from the political elite. We get more frustrated and they live in tree lined avenues, acquire more wealth and send their children to private schools.
There is an illusion in this country that we are all living happily together. We are living seperately, with different values and this will lead to trouble. |
But doesn't the constant fear and panic about chavs, muslims, immigrants, muggers, chuggers, and overpopulation (pause for breath) tie us to those very same elites? [Post edited 22 Sep 2013 12:35]
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 12:41 - Sep 22 with 2201 views | StraightR |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 11:51 - Sep 22 by THEBUSH |
The problem is exiled, is that not enough people like yourself, speak out against the mass murderers in your religion, it seems like the muslim apologists rule !! |
Agreed. Insufficient condemnation must surely be seen by the perpetrators as endorsement. I'm not thinking of local imans in western cities who speak out, commendable though that is, but the powerful Muslim nations like Saudi Arabia should be vociferous in their damning and distancing themselves from such awful acts. |  | | |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 12:42 - Sep 22 with 2200 views | StraightR |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 11:51 - Sep 22 by THEBUSH |
The problem is exiled, is that not enough people like yourself, speak out against the mass murderers in your religion, it seems like the muslim apologists rule !! |
Double post [Post edited 22 Sep 2013 12:44]
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 12:52 - Sep 22 with 2181 views | kensalriser |
Humanity is a violent species. Religion's just a vehicle for a natural imperative to wage war on other groups of people who present a perceived threat to or are different from you. If Islam didn't exist something else would suffice, as it always has done and always will. |  |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 13:13 - Sep 22 with 2162 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 12:52 - Sep 22 by kensalriser |
Humanity is a violent species. Religion's just a vehicle for a natural imperative to wage war on other groups of people who present a perceived threat to or are different from you. If Islam didn't exist something else would suffice, as it always has done and always will. |
I don't agree, Kensal. The vast majority of humanity is peaceful, if too apathetic to stop violence when waged by some of its governments. | |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 14:12 - Sep 22 with 2135 views | TheBlob |
Well the anti religious Communist states made a pretty good fist of reducing world population - c.90m of its own citizens in various purges - before they decided the creed they'd devised was all bollocks.Big Up for the Atheists hey Comrades?
Looks like we're in the middle of a new Crusades if you pick the bones out the situation.
No wonder that one-way trip to Mars is oversubscribed. [Post edited 22 Sep 2013 14:42]
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 15:26 - Sep 22 with 2107 views | exiled_dictator |
I'd like to put forward a slightly different perspective.
If you can just clear your mind, and judging by some of your posts, that shouldn't be too difficult.
Just, for a minute, look at it from my perspective, the other side if you like.
You can start history at any point you like; Richard the Lionheart fighting Saladin for Jerusalem for Christianity, or more modern massacres like when on May 14, 1919 a fleet of British, American and French warships brought an entire Greek division into the harbour of Smyrna. The landing was followed by a general slaughter of the Turkish Muslim population. Greek gangs roamed the streets looting and killing. As the Greek army pushed into Anatolia the local population was subjected to massacres, ravaging and raping. What about the massacres that the British carried out, and allowed the Indians to carry out in 1947 when some 200,000 Muslims lost their lives over the partition of India & Pakistan. And lets not forget how recently the massacre of some eight thousand of Muslims in Srebrenica, while the world stood by & watched. And best of all, Iraq. Here you had a totally mad dictator, who had started a war with Iran where 1 million people were killed, where he gasses Halabja killing some 7,000 people. A total screw loose, but in reality no real threat to the West. In fact, he was employed by the CIA so the story goes. Anyway, in 2003, Bush Jr wanted some sort of revenge for his daddy being humiliated, so he conspired with other Western leaders to invent some stories about weapons of mass destruction, 45 minutes to death, and really we want to control all your oil. Or something like that. So they invented a story to regime change in Iraq, some say he asked permission before he invaded Kuwait, others not. So the US & the West invaded Iraq, overthrew him and tried to set up a puppet pro-Western government. And where are we now? How many thousands of Iraqi's have been killed? What have they achieved with this? A civil war that they will now leave for the locals to fight amongst themselves, with so many outside influences and even worse situation for the West when Al Qaeda or Iran supported extremists take over.
And who can forget Afghanistan? Years ago, we were cheering John Rambo for fighting with the Mujahideen against the Russians, then all of a sudden, we are fighting against them when they turn into Al Qaeda. Strange that one ....
Yes, there are countless atrocities committed Muslims all over the world, but if the West continues to give them opportunity for recruitment, then you are just working in their favour. Now, we are talking with the very terrorists we had locked up, asking them to form a government after the 2014 withdrawal in Afghanistan. Strange that one ....
Neither side is clean from blood, but you cannot just look at isolated incidents like this. If you continue to oppress a ethnic group or religion, you cannot complain when they fight back. George Bush II referred to the Iraq invasion as a crusade; how do you think Muslims around the world felt with comments like that?
Two wrongs never make a right, but I maintain again that you are hearing a VERY SMALL percentage of Muslims who go around bombing & killing indiscriminately. The majority of British Muslims are not like that. The fact that you don't hear Muslin Clerics calling for peace means you are not in the Mosques on Friday mornings when they do talk of peace & reconciliation. The fact that they don't appear on TV every day saying so does not mean that the then encourage violence. Do you honestly believe that EVERY Cleric & Imam is like Abu Qatada or Abu Hamza? For every one that is, countless aren't. In fact, I have NEVER had a conversation with any other Muslim who thinks or talks like that. I don't know who or where these people are.
You need to put down the Daily Mail, listen to what we are saying and try to understand. The vast majority of us are happy to live here under British Laws, integrating into British Society, but keeping parts of our Islamic culture like Halal, prayers & Study. Surely, you don't really feel threatened by that? |  |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 15:32 - Sep 22 with 2103 views | TheBlob |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 15:26 - Sep 22 by exiled_dictator |
I'd like to put forward a slightly different perspective.
If you can just clear your mind, and judging by some of your posts, that shouldn't be too difficult.
Just, for a minute, look at it from my perspective, the other side if you like.
You can start history at any point you like; Richard the Lionheart fighting Saladin for Jerusalem for Christianity, or more modern massacres like when on May 14, 1919 a fleet of British, American and French warships brought an entire Greek division into the harbour of Smyrna. The landing was followed by a general slaughter of the Turkish Muslim population. Greek gangs roamed the streets looting and killing. As the Greek army pushed into Anatolia the local population was subjected to massacres, ravaging and raping. What about the massacres that the British carried out, and allowed the Indians to carry out in 1947 when some 200,000 Muslims lost their lives over the partition of India & Pakistan. And lets not forget how recently the massacre of some eight thousand of Muslims in Srebrenica, while the world stood by & watched. And best of all, Iraq. Here you had a totally mad dictator, who had started a war with Iran where 1 million people were killed, where he gasses Halabja killing some 7,000 people. A total screw loose, but in reality no real threat to the West. In fact, he was employed by the CIA so the story goes. Anyway, in 2003, Bush Jr wanted some sort of revenge for his daddy being humiliated, so he conspired with other Western leaders to invent some stories about weapons of mass destruction, 45 minutes to death, and really we want to control all your oil. Or something like that. So they invented a story to regime change in Iraq, some say he asked permission before he invaded Kuwait, others not. So the US & the West invaded Iraq, overthrew him and tried to set up a puppet pro-Western government. And where are we now? How many thousands of Iraqi's have been killed? What have they achieved with this? A civil war that they will now leave for the locals to fight amongst themselves, with so many outside influences and even worse situation for the West when Al Qaeda or Iran supported extremists take over.
And who can forget Afghanistan? Years ago, we were cheering John Rambo for fighting with the Mujahideen against the Russians, then all of a sudden, we are fighting against them when they turn into Al Qaeda. Strange that one ....
Yes, there are countless atrocities committed Muslims all over the world, but if the West continues to give them opportunity for recruitment, then you are just working in their favour. Now, we are talking with the very terrorists we had locked up, asking them to form a government after the 2014 withdrawal in Afghanistan. Strange that one ....
Neither side is clean from blood, but you cannot just look at isolated incidents like this. If you continue to oppress a ethnic group or religion, you cannot complain when they fight back. George Bush II referred to the Iraq invasion as a crusade; how do you think Muslims around the world felt with comments like that?
Two wrongs never make a right, but I maintain again that you are hearing a VERY SMALL percentage of Muslims who go around bombing & killing indiscriminately. The majority of British Muslims are not like that. The fact that you don't hear Muslin Clerics calling for peace means you are not in the Mosques on Friday mornings when they do talk of peace & reconciliation. The fact that they don't appear on TV every day saying so does not mean that the then encourage violence. Do you honestly believe that EVERY Cleric & Imam is like Abu Qatada or Abu Hamza? For every one that is, countless aren't. In fact, I have NEVER had a conversation with any other Muslim who thinks or talks like that. I don't know who or where these people are.
You need to put down the Daily Mail, listen to what we are saying and try to understand. The vast majority of us are happy to live here under British Laws, integrating into British Society, but keeping parts of our Islamic culture like Halal, prayers & Study. Surely, you don't really feel threatened by that? |
Very voluble ED,but you've rather let your argument down,and the sympathies accrued therein,by the second paragraph.
When you're intending to sell to an uncomitted punter,nix the slaggings okay? | |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 15:37 - Sep 22 with 2098 views | exiled_dictator |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 15:32 - Sep 22 by TheBlob |
Very voluble ED,but you've rather let your argument down,and the sympathies accrued therein,by the second paragraph.
When you're intending to sell to an uncomitted punter,nix the slaggings okay? |
Not really selling you anything, Blob.
So your argument is that you get to talk about atrocities that fit your argument, but others don't?
Hmmmm, interesting. | |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 15:39 - Sep 22 with 2096 views | TheBlob |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 15:37 - Sep 22 by exiled_dictator |
Not really selling you anything, Blob.
So your argument is that you get to talk about atrocities that fit your argument, but others don't?
Hmmmm, interesting. |
Nope.Just don't insult the punters. | |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 15:39 - Sep 22 with 1690 views | exiled_dictator |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 15:39 - Sep 22 by TheBlob |
Nope.Just don't insult the punters. |
Where were the insults? | |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 15:41 - Sep 22 with 1688 views | TheBlob |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 15:39 - Sep 22 by exiled_dictator |
Where were the insults? |
If you can just clear your mind, and judging by some of your posts, that shouldn't be too difficult
Unless that was a touch of whimsy. | |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 15:44 - Sep 22 with 1684 views | exiled_dictator |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 15:41 - Sep 22 by TheBlob |
If you can just clear your mind, and judging by some of your posts, that shouldn't be too difficult
Unless that was a touch of whimsy. |
So you reckon that trying to put a balance on things is insulting? | |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 15:56 - Sep 22 with 1671 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 11:03 - Sep 22 by Doughnut |
WTF should we???? It aint Church of England fanatics murdering in Kenya. It wasn't Hindus that killed Lee Rigby. It wasnt Catholic fundamentalists that blew people to bits on the tube and bus in 2005. And it wasnt the Jews who slammed two airliners into the twin towers...or Bali, or Madrid or Beslan.......etc...etc!!!! |
From The Independent today:
"The people of the twin villages of Kutbi and Kutba are among more than 40,000 Muslims forced from their homes in some of the worst Hindu-Muslim violence in western Uttar Pradesh for decades. A smaller number of Hindus have also fled and at least 48 people have died."
From the Jewish Chronicle, 27th April:
"A couple of months ago a young Arab woman from Qalansuwa in central Israel set off to do what we would consider a mitzvah. She was a teacher of Arabic in a Jewish school and she went with a Jewish friend to go to the shivah of a colleague in Jerusalem.
But when they left the shivah, they were confronted by a gang of local yeshivah students. “They cursed her, they spat on her, they threw oranges at her,” said Israeli religious activist Dr Gadi Gvaryahu. “They said to her friend ‘How dare you come with an Arab woman to our neighbourhood’. And then they damaged her car, broke the window, let down her tyres.”
[Credit to Israeli Jews: the article reports on Jewish people trying to stop this sort of thing]
Regarding Catholics and Protestants, I give you Northern Ireland 1968-1998.
For Buddhists, see Sri Lankan Tamils. And, of course, vice versa.
If I could be arsed to do more than 2 minutes research I could find plenty more.
And conversely, amongst the most decent people I've ever met Id include a couple of Christians, a Buddhist and at least one muslim - plus an ex-Muslim who's now an atheist like me.
I'm not trying to pretend that modern islam is not exceptionally prone to violence, and I sort of think its in the DNA of the religion through jihad, but don't kid yourself no other religion could not do the same given the chance |  | | |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 15:57 - Sep 22 with 1669 views | stowmarketrange |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 15:26 - Sep 22 by exiled_dictator |
I'd like to put forward a slightly different perspective.
If you can just clear your mind, and judging by some of your posts, that shouldn't be too difficult.
Just, for a minute, look at it from my perspective, the other side if you like.
You can start history at any point you like; Richard the Lionheart fighting Saladin for Jerusalem for Christianity, or more modern massacres like when on May 14, 1919 a fleet of British, American and French warships brought an entire Greek division into the harbour of Smyrna. The landing was followed by a general slaughter of the Turkish Muslim population. Greek gangs roamed the streets looting and killing. As the Greek army pushed into Anatolia the local population was subjected to massacres, ravaging and raping. What about the massacres that the British carried out, and allowed the Indians to carry out in 1947 when some 200,000 Muslims lost their lives over the partition of India & Pakistan. And lets not forget how recently the massacre of some eight thousand of Muslims in Srebrenica, while the world stood by & watched. And best of all, Iraq. Here you had a totally mad dictator, who had started a war with Iran where 1 million people were killed, where he gasses Halabja killing some 7,000 people. A total screw loose, but in reality no real threat to the West. In fact, he was employed by the CIA so the story goes. Anyway, in 2003, Bush Jr wanted some sort of revenge for his daddy being humiliated, so he conspired with other Western leaders to invent some stories about weapons of mass destruction, 45 minutes to death, and really we want to control all your oil. Or something like that. So they invented a story to regime change in Iraq, some say he asked permission before he invaded Kuwait, others not. So the US & the West invaded Iraq, overthrew him and tried to set up a puppet pro-Western government. And where are we now? How many thousands of Iraqi's have been killed? What have they achieved with this? A civil war that they will now leave for the locals to fight amongst themselves, with so many outside influences and even worse situation for the West when Al Qaeda or Iran supported extremists take over.
And who can forget Afghanistan? Years ago, we were cheering John Rambo for fighting with the Mujahideen against the Russians, then all of a sudden, we are fighting against them when they turn into Al Qaeda. Strange that one ....
Yes, there are countless atrocities committed Muslims all over the world, but if the West continues to give them opportunity for recruitment, then you are just working in their favour. Now, we are talking with the very terrorists we had locked up, asking them to form a government after the 2014 withdrawal in Afghanistan. Strange that one ....
Neither side is clean from blood, but you cannot just look at isolated incidents like this. If you continue to oppress a ethnic group or religion, you cannot complain when they fight back. George Bush II referred to the Iraq invasion as a crusade; how do you think Muslims around the world felt with comments like that?
Two wrongs never make a right, but I maintain again that you are hearing a VERY SMALL percentage of Muslims who go around bombing & killing indiscriminately. The majority of British Muslims are not like that. The fact that you don't hear Muslin Clerics calling for peace means you are not in the Mosques on Friday mornings when they do talk of peace & reconciliation. The fact that they don't appear on TV every day saying so does not mean that the then encourage violence. Do you honestly believe that EVERY Cleric & Imam is like Abu Qatada or Abu Hamza? For every one that is, countless aren't. In fact, I have NEVER had a conversation with any other Muslim who thinks or talks like that. I don't know who or where these people are.
You need to put down the Daily Mail, listen to what we are saying and try to understand. The vast majority of us are happy to live here under British Laws, integrating into British Society, but keeping parts of our Islamic culture like Halal, prayers & Study. Surely, you don't really feel threatened by that? |
I'd like to able to get along with all people who don't have a problem with the way I live my life.
There needs to be more tolerance on all sides if we are ever going to live together in a peaceful world.We have done some terrible things to various nations over the years,and probably still are doing them.But does that make it right for others to deliberately kill innocent people leaving a church service?Or to murder people out shopping?
I wish I could tell who the radical people were that will try to cause mayhem by bombs and bullets,but until they are singled out by the people who know them,how can that happen?
I think that the Muslim world needs to do more to cleanse itself of murderers and fanatics who don't care what the rest of the non-Muslim world thinks of them.
I don't have any answers,but surely people can work more together to bring change to a modern world. |  | | |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 16:24 - Sep 22 with 1648 views | ytt28 |
People are judged not on what they say but what they do. Can talk peace all day long, but the lack of peace Is very telling in reality.
From the creation of islam itself and the life that was led by the prophet, does not reflect peace except that it is only an option as long as it is on someone else's terms. Further, unlike the major faiths in the world today, islam does not allow and infact forbids change. So all the speeches by imams and MCB and anyone else is really quite meaningless except to portray that they are in some way on the same side as us when in fact the ideology prevents that. The wahabi islam, the original islam will tells us there is only islam, one islam, not extreme islam or moderate islam, but only islam. Whilst there are many many moderate muslims, and many many muslims who don't really go for the full fat version of islam, by the laws of islam those views are punishable as islam clearly has a purpose for them, a mission and those who follow are merely 'abd' (slave) to the master. No other is considered equal, not even the womenfolk from within. So whilst it is all well and good that the very vast majority of muslims want to live here in the west amongst us (but only in certain regards) and want freedoms to practice halal, sharia, prayers, and all their other traditions and customs, they are forbidden from affording us the same right, as even the carrying of a symbol of any religion (unislamic) is forbidden in Saudi, to have a private prayer area, to carry or wear a 'cross' necklace for example, or a bible or any other holy book is not acceptable. If, and I am sure they all do, all these moderate peace loving muslims around the world want to really honestly live in peace, to show peace, then why are they not fighting for equality for human beings of all distinctions? | | | |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 16:28 - Sep 22 with 1629 views | ozranger |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 15:57 - Sep 22 by stowmarketrange |
I'd like to able to get along with all people who don't have a problem with the way I live my life.
There needs to be more tolerance on all sides if we are ever going to live together in a peaceful world.We have done some terrible things to various nations over the years,and probably still are doing them.But does that make it right for others to deliberately kill innocent people leaving a church service?Or to murder people out shopping?
I wish I could tell who the radical people were that will try to cause mayhem by bombs and bullets,but until they are singled out by the people who know them,how can that happen?
I think that the Muslim world needs to do more to cleanse itself of murderers and fanatics who don't care what the rest of the non-Muslim world thinks of them.
I don't have any answers,but surely people can work more together to bring change to a modern world. |
And that sums up my argument from before. I am not interested in the "general" situation as each small enclave of violence has its own devices and its own solutions. I just believe that part of the solution to that of the so-called extremest groups is for Islam to ex-communicate them. That is, tell them they are no longer muslims and force them to stop hiding under the blanket of a peaceful religion. |  | | |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 16:45 - Sep 22 with 1612 views | Gloucs_R |
Meanwhile 80 Christians blown up outside of a church in Pakistan. Can you imagine the Muslim reaction to 80 of them being blown up outside or a mosque in a western country? Every embassy in every Muslim country would have to be locked down for fear of reprisals. |  |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 19:07 - Sep 22 with 1548 views | dubaistu |
Why not blow Somalia off the face of the earth? Actually, I've been told it is a very nice place, a mate went on a trip there and was one of the first tourists there is something like 25 years.
He's got some great photos of the remains of a suicide bomber who just missed him. [Post edited 22 Sep 2013 19:09]
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 19:20 - Sep 22 with 1526 views | Gloucs_R |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 19:07 - Sep 22 by dubaistu |
Why not blow Somalia off the face of the earth? Actually, I've been told it is a very nice place, a mate went on a trip there and was one of the first tourists there is something like 25 years.
He's got some great photos of the remains of a suicide bomber who just missed him. [Post edited 22 Sep 2013 19:09]
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Does make a mockery of the money we have given to these Muslim African countries over the years. Personally, feck them. Let the rich Muslim countries pay for the poor Muslim countries. | |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 19:42 - Sep 22 with 1865 views | dubaistu |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 19:20 - Sep 22 by Gloucs_R |
Does make a mockery of the money we have given to these Muslim African countries over the years. Personally, feck them. Let the rich Muslim countries pay for the poor Muslim countries. |
I live in the Midde East and have plenty of Muslim friends, blah blah blah. But you are right, after the Tsunami GCC (the gulf countries) collected donations which were only used for aid in Muslim effected areas.... I don't necessarily disagree with this, look after your own and all that............. [Post edited 22 Sep 2013 19:45]
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 19:57 - Sep 22 with 1838 views | Monahoop |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 11:45 - Sep 22 by SpiritofGregory |
I'm fed up with hearing lets talk to this group and that group, what good does it do?
The time for talking is over, people need to rise up and find their voice again and if you don't like something say it and deal with it. We don't live in a free society, we have to stomach happly clappy rubbish from the political elite. We get more frustrated and they live in tree lined avenues, acquire more wealth and send their children to private schools.
There is an illusion in this country that we are all living happily together. We are living seperately, with different values and this will lead to trouble. |
If talking and diplomacy don't work, then how would you deal with these modern day political or religious scourges. I'm not sure I want to know what your solution is but reading between the lines in your post I think I know which road you have arrived from.
If you think the talking strategy is a waste of time then think about what has happened in Northern Ireland recently. If intermediaries and sworn enemies didn't sit down and hammer out peaceful deals without resorting to more bloodshed then the 'Troubles' would still be with us. You may not agree with those involved in he peace processes, but things are a lot better than they were and the vast majority of folk just want to move on and improve and live their lives. |  |
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| Mass murder in Kenya on 20:28 - Sep 22 with 1795 views | HollowayRanger |
| Mass murder in Kenya on 11:03 - Sep 22 by Doughnut |
WTF should we???? It aint Church of England fanatics murdering in Kenya. It wasn't Hindus that killed Lee Rigby. It wasnt Catholic fundamentalists that blew people to bits on the tube and bus in 2005. And it wasnt the Jews who slammed two airliners into the twin towers...or Bali, or Madrid or Beslan.......etc...etc!!!! |
agreed
i dont think people of any other faith would do something as evil as 9/11 |  |
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