| Welsh independance 11:59 - Nov 12 with 3923 views | mangohilljack |
This movement seems to be growing back in Blighty, don't want to start a war into the should we shouldn't we debate. Not living in Wales or the UK for that matter I'd be interested to hear what the benefits are to those living in Wales?
Currently it is not something I would support as I'm a proud Brit and a proud welshman. But that doesn't mean I'm not open to change. My biggest concern is where would that leave the Swans, would we still be able to play in the current format or would we have to revert back to league of Wales, if the latter then that alone would convince me not to support it.
What is everybody else's thoughts? |  | | |  |
| Welsh independance on 12:29 - Nov 12 with 2381 views | union_jack |
Look, I mean absolutely no disrespect here but this issue has been done to death lately. If you started a thread in whether you’d prefer plain or chocolate flavour sponge, someone would get it into the conversation.
All you need to do is trawl through some past threads and you’ll get all the answers you want from the usual suspects on both sides. |  |
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| Welsh independance on 13:24 - Nov 12 with 2363 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
I do like a chocolate sponge cake. |  |
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| Welsh independance on 13:34 - Nov 12 with 2357 views | Gwyn737 |
| Welsh independance on 12:29 - Nov 12 by union_jack |
Look, I mean absolutely no disrespect here but this issue has been done to death lately. If you started a thread in whether you’d prefer plain or chocolate flavour sponge, someone would get it into the conversation.
All you need to do is trawl through some past threads and you’ll get all the answers you want from the usual suspects on both sides. |
Actually UK I think the way the OP has phrased it is important.
IF Welsh independence is ever to be achieved, voters need to be convinced of the benefits including what it is the country has to offer. It needs to be celebratory. It’s needs to be built on a wave of positivity.
What won’t work is the way way some posters post on here - essentially all English are horrible and we need to get away.
I’m not keep on independence at the moment but I don’t intend to shut the door on it. I enjoy johnlangly’s thoughtful post and always keep an eye out for him. Unfortunately others make my thinking go in the opposite direction.
For me it’s a bit like the JustStopOil lot. Their aim may be laudable but some of their actions mean they’ll never get my support. | | | |
| Welsh independance on 13:51 - Nov 12 with 2345 views | Jack123 |
| Welsh independance on 13:24 - Nov 12 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I do like a chocolate sponge cake. |
Jam Roly Poly FTW Unfortunately temporary unavailable in Aldis due to Christmas stock.  |  |
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| Welsh independance on 14:01 - Nov 12 with 2330 views | union_jack |
| Welsh independance on 13:24 - Nov 12 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I do like a chocolate sponge cake. |
I prefer plain. Deal with it😡
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| Welsh independance on 14:32 - Nov 12 with 2317 views | Wingstandwood |
Said it before and I will say it again i.e. Welsh inhabitants North/South/East and West are often treated in ENGLAND by ENGLISH NHS services.
Clatterbridge Hospital (Wirral/cancer)….Queen Elizabeth Hospital (Birmigham/liver)….Moorfields Hospital (London/eyes)….Royal Papworth Hospital (Cambridge/heart+ lungs)....Royal Brompton Hospital(London/heart+lungs).…Great Ormond Street Children’s Hospital (London/numerous children specialites). etc. etc. etc.
The Welsh NHS is heavily reliant on English NHS and Wales is rather lucky to be under the same U.K NHS umbrella. After independence that will no longer be. Add to that Westminster funded R.A.F aviation i.e. Sea King Helicopters used to transport Welsh patients in emergencies to specialist English hospitals.
Wales is ruled by a clown and his merry band of yokels whom have been proven to be utterly incapable of improving Wales transport structure beyond its (reported Wales This Week) 1960's standard.
20mph-50mph speed bump and two lane capital of the world? 'New Moldova' here we come!
How the f**k could anyone ever expect that lot to reorganise Welsh NHS bearing in mind the current state of Welsh NHS and the fact it has taken the yokels nigh quarter of a century and a waste of £114 million NOT to build a relief road ? |  |
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| Welsh independance on 14:38 - Nov 12 with 2305 views | union_jack |
| Welsh independance on 14:32 - Nov 12 by Wingstandwood |
Said it before and I will say it again i.e. Welsh inhabitants North/South/East and West are often treated in ENGLAND by ENGLISH NHS services.
Clatterbridge Hospital (Wirral/cancer)….Queen Elizabeth Hospital (Birmigham/liver)….Moorfields Hospital (London/eyes)….Royal Papworth Hospital (Cambridge/heart+ lungs)....Royal Brompton Hospital(London/heart+lungs).…Great Ormond Street Children’s Hospital (London/numerous children specialites). etc. etc. etc.
The Welsh NHS is heavily reliant on English NHS and Wales is rather lucky to be under the same U.K NHS umbrella. After independence that will no longer be. Add to that Westminster funded R.A.F aviation i.e. Sea King Helicopters used to transport Welsh patients in emergencies to specialist English hospitals.
Wales is ruled by a clown and his merry band of yokels whom have been proven to be utterly incapable of improving Wales transport structure beyond its (reported Wales This Week) 1960's standard.
20mph-50mph speed bump and two lane capital of the world? 'New Moldova' here we come!
How the f**k could anyone ever expect that lot to reorganise Welsh NHS bearing in mind the current state of Welsh NHS and the fact it has taken the yokels nigh quarter of a century and a waste of £114 million NOT to build a relief road ? |
Couldn’t agree more but in reality the clown you refer to won’t be in control because Labour are very unlikely to offer a referendum. Only Plaid at this moment in time would do that and correct me if I’m wrong, but they’re behind the Tories in numbers of seats presently.
There’s not anywhere near enough appetite for it here whether it be from romantic notions or pragmatic ones. | |
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| Welsh independance on 15:06 - Nov 12 with 2295 views | Wingstandwood |
| Welsh independance on 14:38 - Nov 12 by union_jack |
Couldn’t agree more but in reality the clown you refer to won’t be in control because Labour are very unlikely to offer a referendum. Only Plaid at this moment in time would do that and correct me if I’m wrong, but they’re behind the Tories in numbers of seats presently.
There’s not anywhere near enough appetite for it here whether it be from romantic notions or pragmatic ones. |
The people who seem to want independence are the same types who have a form of misguided patriotism that detaches themselves from all reality. That's all they have got to do is look at the record of Welsh government since its been in existence.
Stirring anti-English songs of defiance and romantic imagery involving castles, green-fields, Eisteddfod bards and coracles means absolutely s*d all, it does not improve Welsh economy, infrastructure or services.
Welsh language professor types from places like Machynlleth love the idea of full independence though...Forever resentful because English soldiers invaded Wales many hundreds of years back armed with bows and arrows and swords.
The threat to Wales is no longer from English bows and arrows and swords its from cr@p Welsh politicians happy to turn the country into an economic and public service disgrace | |
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| Welsh independance on 15:13 - Nov 12 with 2291 views | Gwyn737 |
| Welsh independance on 13:24 - Nov 12 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I do like a chocolate sponge cake. |
I like a welsh cake but because of English imperialist fascism, the only appear in shops in England with their anglicised name.
I’m continually going into Tesco on the English side of the bridge and asking for picau ar y maen and they look at me daft.
If only Owain Glyndwr was here… | | | |
| Welsh independance on 16:34 - Nov 12 with 2266 views | BryanSwan |
| Welsh independance on 12:29 - Nov 12 by union_jack |
Look, I mean absolutely no disrespect here but this issue has been done to death lately. If you started a thread in whether you’d prefer plain or chocolate flavour sponge, someone would get it into the conversation.
All you need to do is trawl through some past threads and you’ll get all the answers you want from the usual suspects on both sides. |
Too true, there are threads that are many pages longer than they should be dominated by needless back and forth wangling the issue in.
Being more moderately in favour of Indy it is cringeworthy to see the furthest sides of both arguments. | |
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| Welsh independance on 17:30 - Nov 12 with 2234 views | lifelong |
| Welsh independance on 14:32 - Nov 12 by Wingstandwood |
Said it before and I will say it again i.e. Welsh inhabitants North/South/East and West are often treated in ENGLAND by ENGLISH NHS services.
Clatterbridge Hospital (Wirral/cancer)….Queen Elizabeth Hospital (Birmigham/liver)….Moorfields Hospital (London/eyes)….Royal Papworth Hospital (Cambridge/heart+ lungs)....Royal Brompton Hospital(London/heart+lungs).…Great Ormond Street Children’s Hospital (London/numerous children specialites). etc. etc. etc.
The Welsh NHS is heavily reliant on English NHS and Wales is rather lucky to be under the same U.K NHS umbrella. After independence that will no longer be. Add to that Westminster funded R.A.F aviation i.e. Sea King Helicopters used to transport Welsh patients in emergencies to specialist English hospitals.
Wales is ruled by a clown and his merry band of yokels whom have been proven to be utterly incapable of improving Wales transport structure beyond its (reported Wales This Week) 1960's standard.
20mph-50mph speed bump and two lane capital of the world? 'New Moldova' here we come!
How the f**k could anyone ever expect that lot to reorganise Welsh NHS bearing in mind the current state of Welsh NHS and the fact it has taken the yokels nigh quarter of a century and a waste of £114 million NOT to build a relief road ? |
“Wales is rather lucky to be under the same UK NHS umbrella”
Of course none of us scrounging Welshies have worked all our lives and paid a fortune in National Insurance contributions. |  | | |
| Welsh independance on 17:41 - Nov 12 with 2235 views | Scotia |
I think a lot of the current rise in popularity for independence in Scotland and N Ireland (elections would say it isn't the case in Wales) is down to the shocking state of the Westminster government and recent opposition.
I'm not a supporter of independence at all, it would be a disaster for the majority of Wales. I don't see how it would work.
I'm hoping for a complete change of government, attitude and direction after the next general election and the indy movement stagnating. Any hint of independence and I'll be moving over the border. | | | |
| Welsh independance on 18:01 - Nov 12 with 2233 views | Wingstandwood |
| Welsh independance on 17:30 - Nov 12 by lifelong |
“Wales is rather lucky to be under the same UK NHS umbrella”
Of course none of us scrounging Welshies have worked all our lives and paid a fortune in National Insurance contributions. |
I was referring to services provided at various centres of speciality in England that provide a service to the entire U.K by means of belonging to ONE interconnected organisation. Blessed to have that, lucky to have that as opposed to not having it at all because Wales would be divorced from it.
And we are indeed lucky in Wales to have those services provided by England when you consider that it took the protest-resignation of one of SW Wales leading cancer specialists/proffesors to get modern equipment at Singleton Hospital.
Indeed lucky we are not to be in a situation where re-organisation would have to placed into the hands of incompetent buffoons who judged a white-elephant opera house in Cardiff as being more important than a life-saving scanner or radiotherapy machine. | |
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| Welsh independance on 18:53 - Nov 12 with 2198 views | Boundy |
| Welsh independance on 17:30 - Nov 12 by lifelong |
“Wales is rather lucky to be under the same UK NHS umbrella”
Of course none of us scrounging Welshies have worked all our lives and paid a fortune in National Insurance contributions. |
But our taxes are spent in Wales by a rather inept bunch of 2nd rate politicians | |
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| Welsh independance on 20:34 - Nov 12 with 2177 views | onehunglow |
| Welsh independance on 18:01 - Nov 12 by Wingstandwood |
I was referring to services provided at various centres of speciality in England that provide a service to the entire U.K by means of belonging to ONE interconnected organisation. Blessed to have that, lucky to have that as opposed to not having it at all because Wales would be divorced from it.
And we are indeed lucky in Wales to have those services provided by England when you consider that it took the protest-resignation of one of SW Wales leading cancer specialists/proffesors to get modern equipment at Singleton Hospital.
Indeed lucky we are not to be in a situation where re-organisation would have to placed into the hands of incompetent buffoons who judged a white-elephant opera house in Cardiff as being more important than a life-saving scanner or radiotherapy machine. |
My missus had her Chemo next to two Females from NW Wales .
Both spoke English during their treatment,
Both very happy to have England save their lives
England full of shite innit | |
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| Welsh independance on 20:36 - Nov 12 with 2176 views | onehunglow |
| Welsh independance on 18:01 - Nov 12 by Wingstandwood |
I was referring to services provided at various centres of speciality in England that provide a service to the entire U.K by means of belonging to ONE interconnected organisation. Blessed to have that, lucky to have that as opposed to not having it at all because Wales would be divorced from it.
And we are indeed lucky in Wales to have those services provided by England when you consider that it took the protest-resignation of one of SW Wales leading cancer specialists/proffesors to get modern equipment at Singleton Hospital.
Indeed lucky we are not to be in a situation where re-organisation would have to placed into the hands of incompetent buffoons who judged a white-elephant opera house in Cardiff as being more important than a life-saving scanner or radiotherapy machine. |
Merseyside has
Heat
Brain
Cancer
Specialist centres
They treat people from Wales and the likes of IOM.
They re very grateful
People would die in their thousands with welsh independence . It’s sentimental drivel and potentially lethal | |
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| Welsh independance on 21:08 - Nov 12 with 2156 views | Wingstandwood |
| Welsh independance on 20:36 - Nov 12 by onehunglow |
Merseyside has
Heat
Brain
Cancer
Specialist centres
They treat people from Wales and the likes of IOM.
They re very grateful
People would die in their thousands with welsh independence . It’s sentimental drivel and potentially lethal |
How lucky, blessed, fortunate (or preferred other label etc) that the NHS is ONE interconnected organisation under one umbrella that treats patients no matter what U.K border, county or health board.
To have it broken up, separated and sabotaged by 'nationalist/separatist' isolationist lunacy would be an absolute disaster.
The Welsh Government has proven itself to be utterly incompetent and incapable because if it cannot even build a desperately required roadway here or there? Perish the though if the yokels were handed the task of restructuring the entire Welsh NHS after full devolution and separation from the U.K family to which it once belonged . | |
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| Welsh independance on 21:14 - Nov 12 with 2132 views | lifelong |
| Welsh independance on 20:36 - Nov 12 by onehunglow |
Merseyside has
Heat
Brain
Cancer
Specialist centres
They treat people from Wales and the likes of IOM.
They re very grateful
People would die in their thousands with welsh independence . It’s sentimental drivel and potentially lethal |
You will use any stick to beat Wales with, it’s pathetic.
The English and Welsh health services now have cross border agreements in place where patients from both counties can be treated.
Yes, people from Wales have been treated in Merseyside, there are 3 cancer treatment hospitals in North Wales where a number of people from England have been treated.
The anti Welsh feeling with some on this forum is sickening. | | | |
| Welsh independance on 23:27 - Nov 12 with 2101 views | onehunglow |
| Welsh independance on 21:08 - Nov 12 by Wingstandwood |
How lucky, blessed, fortunate (or preferred other label etc) that the NHS is ONE interconnected organisation under one umbrella that treats patients no matter what U.K border, county or health board.
To have it broken up, separated and sabotaged by 'nationalist/separatist' isolationist lunacy would be an absolute disaster.
The Welsh Government has proven itself to be utterly incompetent and incapable because if it cannot even build a desperately required roadway here or there? Perish the though if the yokels were handed the task of restructuring the entire Welsh NHS after full devolution and separation from the U.K family to which it once belonged . |
Forgot to mention Alder Hey children’s hospital.
North Wales ambiwlanses regularly get police escorts through the Tunnels here
I’m reckoning mid Wales folk go to Brum | |
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| Welsh independance on 23:34 - Nov 12 with 2088 views | lifelong |
| Welsh independance on 23:27 - Nov 12 by onehunglow |
Forgot to mention Alder Hey children’s hospital.
North Wales ambiwlanses regularly get police escorts through the Tunnels here
I’m reckoning mid Wales folk go to Brum |
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| Welsh independance on 23:36 - Nov 12 with 2098 views | Catullus |
| Welsh independance on 13:34 - Nov 12 by Gwyn737 |
Actually UK I think the way the OP has phrased it is important.
IF Welsh independence is ever to be achieved, voters need to be convinced of the benefits including what it is the country has to offer. It needs to be celebratory. It’s needs to be built on a wave of positivity.
What won’t work is the way way some posters post on here - essentially all English are horrible and we need to get away.
I’m not keep on independence at the moment but I don’t intend to shut the door on it. I enjoy johnlangly’s thoughtful post and always keep an eye out for him. Unfortunately others make my thinking go in the opposite direction.
For me it’s a bit like the JustStopOil lot. Their aim may be laudable but some of their actions mean they’ll never get my support. |
I can agree with that, look at Brexit for the example. Cameron and Osborne tried to scare us into voting remain and what happened? trying to scare people into voting leave may only have the same effect, try to give people good reasons for leaving and stop harping on about why its bad to remain. | |
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| Welsh independance on 07:43 - Nov 13 with 2050 views | Togg |
I'm just waiting for the tubthupping to start😄 | | | |
| Welsh independance on 09:40 - Nov 13 with 2019 views | builthjack |
| Welsh independance on 23:27 - Nov 12 by onehunglow |
Forgot to mention Alder Hey children’s hospital.
North Wales ambiwlanses regularly get police escorts through the Tunnels here
I’m reckoning mid Wales folk go to Brum |
Man City bus gets the same police escort these days.
Great that the childrens hospital takes kids from Wales though. |  |
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| Welsh independance on 09:43 - Nov 13 with 2018 views | onehunglow |
| Welsh independance on 09:40 - Nov 13 by builthjack |
Man City bus gets the same police escort these days.
Great that the childrens hospital takes kids from Wales though. |
Why mention Man City in this context.
Another dig.
The dissenters on here are slowly leaving having been ground down by the Boys,
Yiu ll have it all to yourself soon and you can cwtch each other in comfort knowing nobody won’t be posting the truth. | |
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| Welsh independance on 11:20 - Nov 13 with 1994 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Welsh independance on 20:36 - Nov 12 by onehunglow |
Merseyside has
Heat
Brain
Cancer
Specialist centres
They treat people from Wales and the likes of IOM.
They re very grateful
People would die in their thousands with welsh independence . It’s sentimental drivel and potentially lethal |
Don't forget the specialist centres on Manchester, Chester, Birmingham, Bristol, London and Cambridge who all treat patients from Wales. | |
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