| Dunne off? on 15:58 - Jan 31 with 4790 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Dunne off? on 15:36 - Jan 31 by kingsburyR |
Let the man leave. It's a short career and its his best opportunity to put some serious dough in the bank.
Can we not hijack the Kyle Walker deal?
What do Milan have over us? |
This is my problem.
Why is it OK for JD or Charlie Austin to leave on frees, but not Manning or Bright Osai?
Just better PR? |  | |  |
| Dunne off? on 16:29 - Jan 31 with 4451 views | daveB |
| Dunne off? on 14:35 - Jan 31 by CLAREMAN1995 |
The problem since the begining of time/ transfers is once an offer comes in and is rejected it ends up effecting the player and not in a good way .Jimmy is now torn between the club and fans who love him and his chance to play in the PL as SU are almost certain to go up.Plus his financial future is going to change massivly I suspect and he gets to play alongside the ROI defender Egan which would improve his chances of a call up as well.
I have a nagging feeling he is going but we will know tomorrow when the QPR team is announced.
Either way its all about his future and family and with the rough month he just had with his Father passing on I respect his decision either way |
They are far from certain to go up, 3 horse race for the top 2 and quite capable of bottling the playoffs |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 16:30 - Jan 31 with 4428 views | daveB |
| Dunne off? on 15:58 - Jan 31 by nick_hammersmith |
This is my problem.
Why is it OK for JD or Charlie Austin to leave on frees, but not Manning or Bright Osai?
Just better PR? |
Austin didn't leave on a free we sold him for 4million | | | |
| Dunne off? on 16:49 - Jan 31 with 4188 views | Northernr |
| Dunne off? on 15:58 - Jan 31 by nick_hammersmith |
This is my problem.
Why is it OK for JD or Charlie Austin to leave on frees, but not Manning or Bright Osai?
Just better PR? |
I think they were all justified.
In the Manning and Bright cases the fault was on our side because we let McClaren dictate over them, loaning Manning to Rotherham when he should have been playing for us and refusing to pick Bright even though we were complete sht and everybody was out on their feet. Both players wanted to stay and play here at that point and would have signed new deals. Given LH/LF didn't like McClaren anyway, didn't appoint him, and knew he was going to be fired shortly, and that they both liked BOS and RM, they should have backed their own judgement and renewed them anyway. When they finally got round to it both were playing well and attracting interest we couldn't keep up with. Can't blame either of them for that.
Austin another one we could and should have renewed when we won promotion. When you've got relegated and he's just scored 20 goals in the top flight is not the time to be trying to do him a new deal.
We are poor, as a club, at timing our contract renewals and managing our retainment.
I think there's a bit of needle around Manning because a) he's done the same thing again since, and is very money orientated even for a footballer, b) is a bit of an arsehole generally, and c) when the club were trying to negotiate wage deferrals etc during Covid he was, shall we say, less than forthcoming. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 17:10 - Jan 31 with 3962 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Dunne off? on 16:49 - Jan 31 by Northernr |
I think they were all justified.
In the Manning and Bright cases the fault was on our side because we let McClaren dictate over them, loaning Manning to Rotherham when he should have been playing for us and refusing to pick Bright even though we were complete sht and everybody was out on their feet. Both players wanted to stay and play here at that point and would have signed new deals. Given LH/LF didn't like McClaren anyway, didn't appoint him, and knew he was going to be fired shortly, and that they both liked BOS and RM, they should have backed their own judgement and renewed them anyway. When they finally got round to it both were playing well and attracting interest we couldn't keep up with. Can't blame either of them for that.
Austin another one we could and should have renewed when we won promotion. When you've got relegated and he's just scored 20 goals in the top flight is not the time to be trying to do him a new deal.
We are poor, as a club, at timing our contract renewals and managing our retainment.
I think there's a bit of needle around Manning because a) he's done the same thing again since, and is very money orientated even for a footballer, b) is a bit of an arsehole generally, and c) when the club were trying to negotiate wage deferrals etc during Covid he was, shall we say, less than forthcoming. |
I'd say players like Macca, who play most of their football at one club, are like hens teeth.
Most footballers will be more than happy to move sideways, or lower, if it meant a pay rise.
A lot of them don't even care if the move means they might sit on the bench.
I think footballers are just like most of us and inherently selfish. Maybe some are better at kissing the badge etc? | | | |
| Dunne off? on 17:17 - Jan 31 with 3858 views | Ghost_on_the_Westway |
As much as I love the bloke and even though he is already a true Rangers cult hero (no, not the L word, not by a long chalk) I’m leaning towards agreeing with WilkinsWaterCarrier on this.
We already know he can’t cut it in the middle of a four, ok, he’s been a real asset to us with his height at RB and I don’t underestimate his contribution of late, he’s been outstanding, but do we really think that’s how Marti wants to play long term? Who honestly believes that when Marti thinks about his team for next season, maybe thinking about a play off push, Jimmy is his ideal RB? I still shudder at how that Luton winger kept skinning him the other week.
Of course, replacing him for the rest of the season with someone who got hooked 10 mins after coming on as a sub fills me with dread, but, as Clive has said, we’re not in the bottom 4 anymore, so maybe Marti is confident he can fix Ashby?
As for Wilder, then he’s just on a mad trolley dash and hasn’t done his homework.
Christ knows I love Jimmy Dunne, though. Heart v Head. ‘orrrible, innit? [Post edited 31 Jan 17:35]
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| Dunne off? on 17:23 - Jan 31 with 3751 views | johnhoop |
| Dunne off? on 15:39 - Jan 31 by connell10 |
That's what I don't get Sheffield utd ain't even that good far from nailed on to go up . |
But by the time they’ve bought everyone in the Division they’ll probably be a racing certainty to go up. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 17:24 - Jan 31 with 3729 views | OldPedro |
| Dunne off? on 17:17 - Jan 31 by Ghost_on_the_Westway |
As much as I love the bloke and even though he is already a true Rangers cult hero (no, not the L word, not by a long chalk) I’m leaning towards agreeing with WilkinsWaterCarrier on this.
We already know he can’t cut it in the middle of a four, ok, he’s been a real asset to us with his height at RB and I don’t underestimate his contribution of late, he’s been outstanding, but do we really think that’s how Marti wants to play long term? Who honestly believes that when Marti thinks about his team for next season, maybe thinking about a play off push, Jimmy is his ideal RB? I still shudder at how that Luton winger kept skinning him the other week.
Of course, replacing him for the rest of the season with someone who got hooked 10 mins after coming on as a sub fills me with dread, but, as Clive has said, we’re not in the bottom 4 anymore, so maybe Marti is confident he can fix Ashby?
As for Wilder, then he’s just on a mad trolley dash and hasn’t done his homework.
Christ knows I love Jimmy Dunne, though. Heart v Head. ‘orrrible, innit? [Post edited 31 Jan 17:35]
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Dunne also played well at right CB recently - he struggles more when asked to play left centreback.
I guess it will boil down to money - if Sheff Utd offer him a great deal that we can't compete with, then at his age I would expect him to go. Hopefully as part of this, the club can get a reasonable fee for him, given that he only has 6 months left on his contract |  |
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| Dunne off? on 17:46 - Jan 31 with 3508 views | Hastings_Hoops |
| Dunne off? on 17:10 - Jan 31 by nick_hammersmith |
I'd say players like Macca, who play most of their football at one club, are like hens teeth.
Most footballers will be more than happy to move sideways, or lower, if it meant a pay rise.
A lot of them don't even care if the move means they might sit on the bench.
I think footballers are just like most of us and inherently selfish. Maybe some are better at kissing the badge etc? |
Every chance we’ve found two hens teeth in this team with Field and Chair under long-contracts during their best years at QPR. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 17:59 - Jan 31 with 3346 views | derbyhoop |
| Dunne off? on 11:11 - Jan 31 by wombat |
wasnt they linked with one from ipswich yesterday ?
full on kick in the nads if/ when this does happen |
They signed the lad from Ipswich. Clark? |  |
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| Dunne off? on 18:04 - Jan 31 with 3279 views | GaryHaddock |
| Dunne off? on 17:10 - Jan 31 by nick_hammersmith |
I'd say players like Macca, who play most of their football at one club, are like hens teeth.
Most footballers will be more than happy to move sideways, or lower, if it meant a pay rise.
A lot of them don't even care if the move means they might sit on the bench.
I think footballers are just like most of us and inherently selfish. Maybe some are better at kissing the badge etc? |
Can we be sure that’s the case though?
This is the same club, and some of the same owners, that gave Kenny a long term contract then signed Green. They then gave Green a long term contract and then signed Cesar.
Remember Onouha on his podcast saying QPR strung him along with promises of a decent contract when interest came in for him, then offered him a reduced contract after he’d said he’d stay.
No angels in this business! |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 18:07 - Jan 31 with 3238 views | BklynRanger |
Why is the window slamming shut on Monday anyway?
Is it becoming the January-February transfer window?
Pass me the life-ending injectibles if it comes to that. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 18:26 - Jan 31 with 3064 views | queensparker |
He’ll leave with my blessing if he does go, not least because “Jimmy Dunne to score / QPR to win” three games in a row got me the funds to pay for Xmas
The timing is rotten and it’s a real shame as it felt like we had a club legend in the making here, he’s been up and down in his time with us but he’s Mr QPR out there these days. We should have had this nailed down 12 months ago, but his form wasn’t great then was it.
He’s 27 and he’s probably got one big move left, you can’t begrudge it. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 18:34 - Jan 31 with 2952 views | KensalT |
| Dunne off? on 16:49 - Jan 31 by Northernr |
I think they were all justified.
In the Manning and Bright cases the fault was on our side because we let McClaren dictate over them, loaning Manning to Rotherham when he should have been playing for us and refusing to pick Bright even though we were complete sht and everybody was out on their feet. Both players wanted to stay and play here at that point and would have signed new deals. Given LH/LF didn't like McClaren anyway, didn't appoint him, and knew he was going to be fired shortly, and that they both liked BOS and RM, they should have backed their own judgement and renewed them anyway. When they finally got round to it both were playing well and attracting interest we couldn't keep up with. Can't blame either of them for that.
Austin another one we could and should have renewed when we won promotion. When you've got relegated and he's just scored 20 goals in the top flight is not the time to be trying to do him a new deal.
We are poor, as a club, at timing our contract renewals and managing our retainment.
I think there's a bit of needle around Manning because a) he's done the same thing again since, and is very money orientated even for a footballer, b) is a bit of an arsehole generally, and c) when the club were trying to negotiate wage deferrals etc during Covid he was, shall we say, less than forthcoming. |
Did LF/LH have the authority to renew BOS and RM, or would that have to be signed off by the board?
And would the board approve when the manager wasn't picking them? | | | |
| Dunne off? on 18:41 - Jan 31 with 2849 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Dunne off? on 17:17 - Jan 31 by Ghost_on_the_Westway |
As much as I love the bloke and even though he is already a true Rangers cult hero (no, not the L word, not by a long chalk) I’m leaning towards agreeing with WilkinsWaterCarrier on this.
We already know he can’t cut it in the middle of a four, ok, he’s been a real asset to us with his height at RB and I don’t underestimate his contribution of late, he’s been outstanding, but do we really think that’s how Marti wants to play long term? Who honestly believes that when Marti thinks about his team for next season, maybe thinking about a play off push, Jimmy is his ideal RB? I still shudder at how that Luton winger kept skinning him the other week.
Of course, replacing him for the rest of the season with someone who got hooked 10 mins after coming on as a sub fills me with dread, but, as Clive has said, we’re not in the bottom 4 anymore, so maybe Marti is confident he can fix Ashby?
As for Wilder, then he’s just on a mad trolley dash and hasn’t done his homework.
Christ knows I love Jimmy Dunne, though. Heart v Head. ‘orrrible, innit? [Post edited 31 Jan 17:35]
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If we finish top 10 I would expect there is a decent chance Cifuentes will move on in the summer anyhow so keeping one of our better players (who has actually played most of the games under his tenure) should be a priority. However if we’ve offered our best contract and he won’t sign then it makes sense to sell him now if we can get decent money rather than lose him for nothing. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 18:42 - Jan 31 with 2843 views | NorthantsHoop |
I like Jimmy Dunne and he has done really well at right back under Marti's tuition no doubt. He has scored some vital goals in recent months. I hope he stays but if the deal from Sheff United offers him a go at a higher level and a pay rise, can't begrudge him that. If he is not in the line up tomorrow then it is probably the signal he is leaving by the transfer deadline. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 18:43 - Jan 31 with 2822 views | Northernr |
| Dunne off? on 18:34 - Jan 31 by KensalT |
Did LF/LH have the authority to renew BOS and RM, or would that have to be signed off by the board?
And would the board approve when the manager wasn't picking them? |
Yes. Yes.
Please see repeated extensions to Nico Hamalainen's contract. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 18:58 - Jan 31 with 2633 views | connell10 |
| Dunne off? on 18:41 - Jan 31 by Ned_Kennedys |
If we finish top 10 I would expect there is a decent chance Cifuentes will move on in the summer anyhow so keeping one of our better players (who has actually played most of the games under his tenure) should be a priority. However if we’ve offered our best contract and he won’t sign then it makes sense to sell him now if we can get decent money rather than lose him for nothing. |
If we finish in the top 10 Marti will be going??.So he wont wanna stay to see if he can push us on next season? I dont get this believe that he is just gonna piss off if another offer comes in. I think he wants to build something here! |  |
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| Dunne off? on 19:00 - Jan 31 with 2623 views | Stainrod |
| Dunne off? on 13:19 - Jan 31 by Northernr |
Well that's just it isn't it. If we flog him to Sheff Utd for £2m then it's pretty clear he wasn't going to sign, otherwise we wouldn't do it. |
If so that just says to me that the club has messed up again as you describe with BOS and Manning.
It was clear as day from that interview that he WOULD have renewed if offered a reasonable contract then. The fact that he hasn’t signed in the interval suggests to me that the club was slow to get him tied down.
Unless Sheffield Utd have been tapping him up on the QT - possible I guess as in last year of contract - his head has only presumably been turned very recently. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 19:02 - Jan 31 with 2599 views | Northernr |
| Dunne off? on 18:58 - Jan 31 by connell10 |
If we finish in the top 10 Marti will be going??.So he wont wanna stay to see if he can push us on next season? I dont get this believe that he is just gonna piss off if another offer comes in. I think he wants to build something here! |
Come on mate, we've all had a drink.
Cifuentes will be off and away at the first sign of a better offer.
As he should be, as they all would be. He's potentially only one dodgy Gavin Ward decision away from us sacking him three months ago. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 19:06 - Jan 31 with 2531 views | Tonto |
No. Thats pure speculation.
With "Bosman" rules, the power is with the player.
It is only the clubs fault if they havent spoken to him about a new contract. If they have but he said no. Then how is it the club's fault.
We dont know. Unless you can supply proof... [Post edited 31 Jan 19:07]
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| Dunne off? on 19:11 - Jan 31 with 2451 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Dunne off? on 18:58 - Jan 31 by connell10 |
If we finish in the top 10 Marti will be going??.So he wont wanna stay to see if he can push us on next season? I dont get this believe that he is just gonna piss off if another offer comes in. I think he wants to build something here! |
He will be off for a bigger club, no question. However, with Nourry, I think we will get a good replacement in.
We will already have replacements on a shortlist. I'll be sad when Marti goes. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 19:28 - Jan 31 with 2275 views | WestonsuperR |
| Dunne off? on 19:00 - Jan 31 by Stainrod |
If so that just says to me that the club has messed up again as you describe with BOS and Manning.
It was clear as day from that interview that he WOULD have renewed if offered a reasonable contract then. The fact that he hasn’t signed in the interval suggests to me that the club was slow to get him tied down.
Unless Sheffield Utd have been tapping him up on the QT - possible I guess as in last year of contract - his head has only presumably been turned very recently. |
If offers have been made within our budget and I’m sure they have then I don’t see how we can say definitively the club have messed up? We have overpaid players before and are still paying for it now.
2M a great bit of business for a player that this time last year was struggling. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 19:38 - Jan 31 with 2168 views | Match82 |
| Dunne off? on 19:02 - Jan 31 by Northernr |
Come on mate, we've all had a drink.
Cifuentes will be off and away at the first sign of a better offer.
As he should be, as they all would be. He's potentially only one dodgy Gavin Ward decision away from us sacking him three months ago. |
Nobody should or will begrudge him a move to a top division side somewhere (PL or abroad) but I'd hope that he'd at least think twice if another championship side came in for him. Money talks ultimately of course. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 19:38 - Jan 31 with 2163 views | Hooparoo |
I hope Jimmy stays but at the end of the day if he wants to go elsewhere then it’s see ya later and we all move on. The days of long term loyalty are gone for good. |  |
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