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This will be the first election that I have no idea who to vote for, will never vote Tory again after the lies during covid where my dad lost his life, don’t trust starmer, would never vote for a bunch of racists like reform , anyone give me a clue?
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favourite cheese mature Cheddar. FFS there is no such thing as the EPL
General Election Thread on 14:34 - Jun 7 by SheffieldHoop
I'm 31, it's my generation that co-opted the word in the first place, I know people who were walking around telling others to "Be woke" long before the Guardian ever picked up on it. I'll use it however I see fit.
"I'll use it however I see fit." Thanks for illustrating so well my point that the Right's use of the term 'Woke' is now virtually meaningless.
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General Election Thread on 18:47 - Jun 7 with 1505 views
General Election Thread on 16:38 - Jun 7 by SheffieldHoop
Here's the deal - If we stop importing the thick end of 1 Million people per year - There would be no demand to replace pubs with flats. Pubs would have to carry on being pubs and serving their community, they wouldn't have the choice to sell up and make millions.
If we stopped hating our own nation, culture and values for just a moment (Plenty of evidence of this on the Netflix documentary thread), we might even be able to get rid of those concrete crash barriers we have surrounding pedestrianized areas these days. But this is apparently beyond us, all we can focus on is where British kids have gone wrong, and the urge to call ourselves racist is just too much for us to contain. So we accept the crash barriers of peace, because I'd rather have those than be thought of as racist.
P.s I mentioned a generic Pizza/Kebab place that you turned into 'Dominos' because you thought it made your 'argument' sound a bit stronger. Count yourself lucky that you don't live in an area where this kind of exploitation is happening in the open. Still happening if you look a bit more closely but "good" people never do.
'If we stopped importing the thick end of 1 million people per year - there would be no demand to replace pubs with flats"? I mean, fair enough if you don't think economics has played a role in the decline of the Great British Pub, but surely the transformation of our society (not on immigration terms) - empowerment of women, changing lifestyle habits of people, growth of the middle class, are all major reasons for why pubs have disappeared? My father-in law would hit the pub every day when he was younger, and when his kids were young, rarely, if ever goes in one now - society has changed, a lot of people have lost interest in them, home ownership and staying in with family and drinking a bottle of wine is preferred by many. Also, women, it's not just their role to stay at home and look after the kids why the blokes hit the pub, it's shared responsibility and that will clearly impact the amount of time you spend in the pub - you can't suggest with less immigration demand for pubs would still exist, it wouldn't. It wasn't immigration that killed pubs, it was so much more than that.
For what it's worth, I do think there's a problem with how much we hate ourselves as a nation, how we view our culture and values and embarrassing seeing our Prime Minister leave such an important service early which sort of sums up how some things are viewed. I don't like all the D&I stuff I'm forced to go through at work and even though 95% of people think a lot (not all), is excessive, we all feel compelled to do it and not challenge. But on the decline of the British pub...I don't agree with you.
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General Election Thread on 19:13 - Jun 7 with 2833 views
General Election Thread on 18:47 - Jun 7 by PhilmyRs
'If we stopped importing the thick end of 1 million people per year - there would be no demand to replace pubs with flats"? I mean, fair enough if you don't think economics has played a role in the decline of the Great British Pub, but surely the transformation of our society (not on immigration terms) - empowerment of women, changing lifestyle habits of people, growth of the middle class, are all major reasons for why pubs have disappeared? My father-in law would hit the pub every day when he was younger, and when his kids were young, rarely, if ever goes in one now - society has changed, a lot of people have lost interest in them, home ownership and staying in with family and drinking a bottle of wine is preferred by many. Also, women, it's not just their role to stay at home and look after the kids why the blokes hit the pub, it's shared responsibility and that will clearly impact the amount of time you spend in the pub - you can't suggest with less immigration demand for pubs would still exist, it wouldn't. It wasn't immigration that killed pubs, it was so much more than that.
For what it's worth, I do think there's a problem with how much we hate ourselves as a nation, how we view our culture and values and embarrassing seeing our Prime Minister leave such an important service early which sort of sums up how some things are viewed. I don't like all the D&I stuff I'm forced to go through at work and even though 95% of people think a lot (not all), is excessive, we all feel compelled to do it and not challenge. But on the decline of the British pub...I don't agree with you.
Fair enough, good post, I do think that immigration has had a big impact on attitudes toward alcohol amongst a younger generation, perhaps even positively, but at the same time, the little bits I can remember from the 90s, people did seem happier and society more cohesive.
I am going to the gym tonight, not a pub, am I happy with that? I'm not sure. Is it better for my family? Yeah. My bank balance? Yeah. But wider society/community? I'm not completely convinced.
"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius
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General Election Thread on 19:20 - Jun 7 with 2845 views
General Election Thread on 15:02 - Jun 7 by SheffieldHoop
The one word that stands out for me is "Capitalism"
Wetherspoons is still a pub. We're talking about places that used to be pubs - But now aren't. You know, like the Black Horse in Greenford we hear a lot about on here. Was the average shut-down British pub destroyed by capitalism? Not really, I don't think so anyway. I think demographic change primarily, but also incessant taxation on the pint, smoking ban, and alcohol availability in supermarkets are the key points - Summarising it as "capitalism killed the pubs" or even "Spoons took over" is completely dishonest. We're not stupid, we've all witnessed it happen.
Dominos is an expensive luxury for most people. I'm clearly not talking about Dominos franchises. Pure deflection. As ever, we're just not willing to face the fact that kids are being abused under our noses with the police & social services turning a blind eye. The abuse will continue until people start to pay attention.
Likewise, there are still independent hardware stores in places that haven't been subjected to huge levels of immigration. But you'd rather deflect away from the issues and suggest we just blame it all on "capitalism" rather than trying to work towards a solution that people can get behind. This country will never get behind socialism, so no point moaning that your openly Marxist–Leninist candidate can't win, either. The best you can do is soft Socialist wrapped in a Union Jack, which is precisely what got us into this mess in the first place.
I could write a 2m word essay on the demise of local pubs, as it is my business and has been for a very long time. mainly a combination of most factors but the key catalyst for me was supermarkets price incentivising consumers to do their weekly shop was a defining point. take away the ability to sell alcohol in supermarkets and there would be a seismic change IMHO. Taxation plays a massive role, and the legislation that restricted breweries having large amounts of licensed houses played a major factor - most chains have not gone from being brewers to property developers and companies.. But ultimately, there is no denying that capitalism plays the biggest part. Far more money in selling the land that pubs sit on rather than having a pub that serves the community. Supermarkets exercising their ability to make large profits has the knock on effect at the expense of hospitality. That's aggressive capitalism IMO. Also, the idea that kids being abused is exclusive to immigrant and Asian grooming gangs is ridiculous. It's been going on for many decades -again, a fact I know about first hand. 89% of child sex abuse prosecuted cases in the UK are white men.
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General Election Thread on 19:20 - Jun 7 with 2800 views
General Election Thread on 17:13 - Jun 7 by QPR_Jim
Pubs would have to carry on being pubs and serving their community, they wouldn't have the choice to sell up and make millions. - Not if they aren't making money, you'd need some sort of market intervention to prop up ailing pubs just so they're there for the community. Loads of pubs have closed around Medway and most of them were mostly empty before they closed.
Also disagreeing with you isn't hating my own nation or culture however much you might think it is, so I'll leave it there.
Why did the pubs stop making money though? You know, initially, what caused them all to go from reasonably busy most nights during the week to being deserted all week? Is this country a better place to live because of it? The answer is typically a unanimous no. Why is that? Is it just memberberries? I don't think so. From what I can remember, people genuinely seemed happier.
Is it a case of both things being concurrently true? Probably. I actually thought hardware stores was the strongest point of those made concerning capitalism being at fault, but apparently not.
"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius
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General Election Thread on 19:25 - Jun 7 with 2794 views
General Election Thread on 19:20 - Jun 7 by 100percent
I could write a 2m word essay on the demise of local pubs, as it is my business and has been for a very long time. mainly a combination of most factors but the key catalyst for me was supermarkets price incentivising consumers to do their weekly shop was a defining point. take away the ability to sell alcohol in supermarkets and there would be a seismic change IMHO. Taxation plays a massive role, and the legislation that restricted breweries having large amounts of licensed houses played a major factor - most chains have not gone from being brewers to property developers and companies.. But ultimately, there is no denying that capitalism plays the biggest part. Far more money in selling the land that pubs sit on rather than having a pub that serves the community. Supermarkets exercising their ability to make large profits has the knock on effect at the expense of hospitality. That's aggressive capitalism IMO. Also, the idea that kids being abused is exclusive to immigrant and Asian grooming gangs is ridiculous. It's been going on for many decades -again, a fact I know about first hand. 89% of child sex abuse prosecuted cases in the UK are white men.
Fair enough, I agree with your opinions on the taxation and booze in supermarkets....Where we lose symmetry is the property aspect. UK housing demand driving the land value is entirely artificial.
I've at no point said that kids are exclusively abused by Asian grooming gangs so no idea where that's coming from.
"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius
General Election Thread on 19:35 - Jun 7 by SheffieldHoop
Fair enough, I agree with your opinions on the taxation and booze in supermarkets....Where we lose symmetry is the property aspect. UK housing demand driving the land value is entirely artificial.
I've at no point said that kids are exclusively abused by Asian grooming gangs so no idea where that's coming from.
Definitely not denying that the UK housing demand is a thing - I think it presents itself more in the lack of affordable housing though, rather than the creation of luxury flats for private rental. I think my comment of kids abuse was more aimed at another post/poster, apologies...
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General Election Thread on 20:14 - Jun 7 with 2691 views
General Election Thread on 19:59 - Jun 7 by 100percent
Definitely not denying that the UK housing demand is a thing - I think it presents itself more in the lack of affordable housing though, rather than the creation of luxury flats for private rental. I think my comment of kids abuse was more aimed at another post/poster, apologies...
Empty homes in the UK: 700,000
Homeless people (or in TA) in the UK: 280,000
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General Election Thread on 20:28 - Jun 7 with 2649 views
General Election Thread on 20:28 - Jun 7 by 100percent
yep, that's a damning statistic.
If it was true. Homes in the UK that are long term empty (more than 6 months) are only 248,000 and many of them will be in a terrible state of neglect. In other words unrentable.
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General Election Thread on 21:47 - Jun 7 with 2515 views
General Election Thread on 20:39 - Jun 7 by BucksRanger
If it was true. Homes in the UK that are long term empty (more than 6 months) are only 248,000 and many of them will be in a terrible state of neglect. In other words unrentable.
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So it’s not a damning statistic?
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General Election Thread on 22:19 - Jun 7 with 2449 views
No. Most of these unused properties are short term empty whilst one set of tenants leave and the properties are advertised as being available. Others are empty whilst refurbishment takes place after one set of tenants move out and painting and repairs are booked to be done. Others are holiday rentals only and therefore not available for long term rent or sale.
Longer term empty properties are often because they are holiday homes held by people with multiple properties and these people do not wish to have strangers making use of their homes. Another reason is illness resulting in the owner needing long term medical care.
There are lots of reasons for short and long term empty properties but you, being a leftie, only seek out a simple, nebulous, disparaging reason that pours scorn on property owners and the Conservative government without considering their deeper reasons for occassional emptiness.
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General Election Thread on 23:04 - Jun 7 with 2352 views
General Election Thread on 07:18 - Jun 7 by Discodroids
The regularity and exponentially rising amount of your 3am posts on here, certrainly have a different flavour to them Dan. Talk about unplug the jukebox!
'Fu cktards'!
Shoot that poison 3am arrow through my heart baby!
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Check Officer Dibble here clocking posting times.
You think you're smart, stupid, stupid
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General Election Thread on 23:14 - Jun 7 with 2323 views
General Election Thread on 22:19 - Jun 7 by BucksRanger
No. Most of these unused properties are short term empty whilst one set of tenants leave and the properties are advertised as being available. Others are empty whilst refurbishment takes place after one set of tenants move out and painting and repairs are booked to be done. Others are holiday rentals only and therefore not available for long term rent or sale.
Longer term empty properties are often because they are holiday homes held by people with multiple properties and these people do not wish to have strangers making use of their homes. Another reason is illness resulting in the owner needing long term medical care.
There are lots of reasons for short and long term empty properties but you, being a leftie, only seek out a simple, nebulous, disparaging reason that pours scorn on property owners and the Conservative government without considering their deeper reasons for occassional emptiness.
700,000 empty homes (temporary, long term, or in disrepair) is a damning statistic however you paint it or whatever motivation you think I have.
Holiday home, tenant transfer, and homes in disrepair are all symptoms of unethical housing policy not excuses for it.
If there were more cancer drugs than cancer patients and people were hoarding them or selling at a huge profit I assume you’d be disgusted? Housing is just the same right now.
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General Election Thread on 00:49 - Jun 8 with 2227 views
General Election Thread on 23:14 - Jun 7 by BazzaInTheLoft
700,000 empty homes (temporary, long term, or in disrepair) is a damning statistic however you paint it or whatever motivation you think I have.
Holiday home, tenant transfer, and homes in disrepair are all symptoms of unethical housing policy not excuses for it.
If there were more cancer drugs than cancer patients and people were hoarding them or selling at a huge profit I assume you’d be disgusted? Housing is just the same right now.
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And there you go again using 700,000 as a figure because it suits your left wing stance.
Try some latest figures.
"There are over a quarter of a million long-term empty residential properties across Britain according to averages from differing studies including government numbers and independent findings. The most recent government statistics (November 2023), reported that there were 261,189 long-term empty properties in England. That figure represents a rise of 12,556 homes compared to 2022, up 5% annually and 16% since before the pandemic in 2019."
Would you take these empty properties from their owners to rehouse the homeless? All property is theft, your motto eh?
Holiday homes gone. Little old people in care, homes gone. Landlords homes gone. Tenants on the street.
I don't think Keir Starmer, Angela Rayner or George Galloway would even attempt what you appear to want.
You think there's a vast swathe of property being hoarded right now? Nasty foreigners collecting UK property left, right and centre no doubt.
I've an idea, remove all property from those foreign owners and see where that gets you. I bet you won't have much luck but you will get some I guess. Do that and those foreigners who may very well run their businesses from the UK will likely pack their bags and take their companies elsewhere. Rising unemployment and property getting repossessed.
Maybe that's what you want? Removal of assets from the foreigners settled here by decree. Why don't you revoke any UK passports at the same time?
Hang on, you've not swapped your political allegience from the Communists to Reform UK have you?
What is your plan to get your hands on all this property?
P.S. "More recent data suggests there are around 29.9 million dwellings in the UK, made up of roughly 25 million dwellings in England, 1.5 million dwellings in Wales, 2.67 million dwellings in Scotland, and 822,083 in Northern Ireland."
261,189 / 29.9 million = less than 1% of housing in the UK is long term unoccupied.
0.87% actually.
How much lower do you want it? What is your plan to achieve it? Will all the UK politicians with 2 properties be obliged to comply?
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General Election Thread on 01:35 - Jun 8 with 2199 views
General Election Thread on 00:49 - Jun 8 by BucksRanger
And there you go again using 700,000 as a figure because it suits your left wing stance.
Try some latest figures.
"There are over a quarter of a million long-term empty residential properties across Britain according to averages from differing studies including government numbers and independent findings. The most recent government statistics (November 2023), reported that there were 261,189 long-term empty properties in England. That figure represents a rise of 12,556 homes compared to 2022, up 5% annually and 16% since before the pandemic in 2019."
Would you take these empty properties from their owners to rehouse the homeless? All property is theft, your motto eh?
Holiday homes gone. Little old people in care, homes gone. Landlords homes gone. Tenants on the street.
I don't think Keir Starmer, Angela Rayner or George Galloway would even attempt what you appear to want.
You think there's a vast swathe of property being hoarded right now? Nasty foreigners collecting UK property left, right and centre no doubt.
I've an idea, remove all property from those foreign owners and see where that gets you. I bet you won't have much luck but you will get some I guess. Do that and those foreigners who may very well run their businesses from the UK will likely pack their bags and take their companies elsewhere. Rising unemployment and property getting repossessed.
Maybe that's what you want? Removal of assets from the foreigners settled here by decree. Why don't you revoke any UK passports at the same time?
Hang on, you've not swapped your political allegience from the Communists to Reform UK have you?
What is your plan to get your hands on all this property?
P.S. "More recent data suggests there are around 29.9 million dwellings in the UK, made up of roughly 25 million dwellings in England, 1.5 million dwellings in Wales, 2.67 million dwellings in Scotland, and 822,083 in Northern Ireland."
261,189 / 29.9 million = less than 1% of housing in the UK is long term unoccupied.
0.87% actually.
How much lower do you want it? What is your plan to achieve it? Will all the UK politicians with 2 properties be obliged to comply?
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Yeah, compulsory purchasing of empty homes would play a part alongside
- 1948 style social housing building - Rent Caps - Open ended tenancy - Removal of right to buy - Ban of off site purchase / land banking
The communism, tipping people out of care homes, and the other things I never said is your own imagined arguments. I don’t know how to help you not be angry at those.
I summary, your right to be a landlord should be usurped by a right to a affordable and decent quality roof over your head.
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General Election Thread on 02:44 - Jun 8 with 2146 views
The communism, tipping people out of care homes, and the other things I never said is your own imagined arguments. I don’t know how to help you not be angry at those.
I summary, your right to be a landlord should be usurped by a right to a affordable and decent quality roof over your head.
Compulsory purchasing should not be allowed, that's just communist state control. How long should a property be empty before you take it (and at what price)? You imply that grabbing properties that are empty more than 6 months are game. So, the long term sick, the people who work / live abroad, people executing wills, landlords undertaking major repairs to properties are all under pressure to complete before your 6 month state purchasing?
It's not right Bazza, your communistic tendencies are overriding you sense of fair play. The people of the UK would like more ability to run there own assets without the state imposing upon them rules about 6 months without occupancy.
By all means have a 1948 style social housing scheme. Just not the Nissan Huts of my youth. Rent caps. Hmm, I'm not so sure. I can see people removing their properties from rental if a far left government pushed rent control too far. Open ended tenancy. Nice idea but what about when a landlord dies? Can everything they held be sold within the 6 month deadline? Removal of right to buy. Deny tenants a chance to own. Don't like that. Tweak the discounts / timescales for sure but I don't like denying peole a chance to improve their position in life. Ban off site purchase / land banking. You do love deny, remove, ban don't you? An increasing tax scheme of longer held land would be better surely?
You seem attuned to some fairly nasty methods when dealing with all landowners. They're not all bastards you know? I don't really want to live in the kind of communist state that you espouse.
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General Election Thread on 06:43 - Jun 8 with 2066 views
General Election Thread on 02:44 - Jun 8 by BucksRanger
Compulsory purchasing should not be allowed, that's just communist state control. How long should a property be empty before you take it (and at what price)? You imply that grabbing properties that are empty more than 6 months are game. So, the long term sick, the people who work / live abroad, people executing wills, landlords undertaking major repairs to properties are all under pressure to complete before your 6 month state purchasing?
It's not right Bazza, your communistic tendencies are overriding you sense of fair play. The people of the UK would like more ability to run there own assets without the state imposing upon them rules about 6 months without occupancy.
By all means have a 1948 style social housing scheme. Just not the Nissan Huts of my youth. Rent caps. Hmm, I'm not so sure. I can see people removing their properties from rental if a far left government pushed rent control too far. Open ended tenancy. Nice idea but what about when a landlord dies? Can everything they held be sold within the 6 month deadline? Removal of right to buy. Deny tenants a chance to own. Don't like that. Tweak the discounts / timescales for sure but I don't like denying peole a chance to improve their position in life. Ban off site purchase / land banking. You do love deny, remove, ban don't you? An increasing tax scheme of longer held land would be better surely?
You seem attuned to some fairly nasty methods when dealing with all landowners. They're not all bastards you know? I don't really want to live in the kind of communist state that you espouse.
Compulsory purchasing of property already happens to build bridges, schools, or community centres.
Why not to help deal with a housing crisis? I noticed this morning that even Labour are hinting at it.
General Election Thread on 17:13 - Jun 7 by slmrstid
I live near Narborough Road in Leicester, the businesses on which has the most nationalities represented in the UK, if that makes sense. Some great eateries down there.
It's also as a result an area with lots of nationalities living nearby, so lots of immigration. It has two independent hardware stores.
Pubs have shut because people stop going to them. Maybe the public smoking ban has contributed to that but to be honest I hated going in places that stank of smoke when I was younger so the public smoking ban is one of the best things to happen in my adult lifetime in my opinion. They were absolutely disgusting to be in beforehand.
Leicester must be one of the most multi-cultural cities in the UK and, generally, people get on living side by side with other cultures. The exception is when India play Pakistan in the cricket!!! And it does mean there are loads of great restaurants.
Re BBC. There are often accusations that it is too left wing and others that it is too right wing. Remember that the journalists are well educated and rarely subscribe to the narrow views of Farage and his cohort. That doesn't stop him appearing on Question Time 36 times, when no MEPs from the progressive side were invited. Also worth pointing out that both Robbie Gibb and Tim Davie used to work for the Tories. So, the presenters may be a bit too left wing for some tastes and the management too right wing. Overall they get the balance about right.
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General Election Thread on 16:47 - Jun 8 with 1527 views
General Election Thread on 19:20 - Jun 7 by 100percent
I could write a 2m word essay on the demise of local pubs, as it is my business and has been for a very long time. mainly a combination of most factors but the key catalyst for me was supermarkets price incentivising consumers to do their weekly shop was a defining point. take away the ability to sell alcohol in supermarkets and there would be a seismic change IMHO. Taxation plays a massive role, and the legislation that restricted breweries having large amounts of licensed houses played a major factor - most chains have not gone from being brewers to property developers and companies.. But ultimately, there is no denying that capitalism plays the biggest part. Far more money in selling the land that pubs sit on rather than having a pub that serves the community. Supermarkets exercising their ability to make large profits has the knock on effect at the expense of hospitality. That's aggressive capitalism IMO. Also, the idea that kids being abused is exclusive to immigrant and Asian grooming gangs is ridiculous. It's been going on for many decades -again, a fact I know about first hand. 89% of child sex abuse prosecuted cases in the UK are white men.
I can't see that anyone on here has said it's exclusive to asian rape gangs, i won't call them 'grooming' gangs. By god, (and without checking that 89% figure quoted), i crave more than my next breath those white male bestial sex abusers/fiends face their destiny and are held accountable for their henious crimes, in extremis. As do most of us on here, i am quite sure. Many posters on here are fathers to their Princesses.
The obvious question i would have to ask you is that as this is a majority white country, it's obvious that the majority of sexual cases would be comitted by whites, therefore i must ask, what would be the percentile figure for sexual abuse cases in Nigeria be for black men and in pakistan for Asian men?. This cannot be used to hide a huge problem in many of our Northern towns and hinterlands., as we have seen unfortuntely reported across all ramparts of the media this last couple of years.
I'm sorry if this causes world war 3 on here but i'll be f ucked seven ways from sunday if i'm going to hide from it. They should all feel the full weight of the law ..black , white ,asian or albino and we shouldn't shirk from that credo.
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