| General Election Thread 17:46 - May 22 with 212097 views | loftboy |
This will be the first election that I have no idea who to vote for, will never vote Tory again after the lies during covid where my dad lost his life, don’t trust starmer, would never vote for a bunch of racists like reform , anyone give me a clue?
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| General Election Thread on 01:00 - Jun 5 with 1624 views | johncharles |
| General Election Thread on 18:19 - Jun 4 by colinallcars |
I hope if someone throws a drink over me, it's a pint of bitter. |
You mean, like me, you smell of beer anyway. Whoever threw milk on Farage knew what they were doing. Sour, rancid milk is going to stink to high heaven. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 01:26 - Jun 5 with 1611 views | bob566 |
| General Election Thread on 22:40 - Jun 4 by colinallcars |
Just struggled through the TV debate. I know it's about policies rather than personalities, but Starmer is wooden.
Say what you like about Blair but he had charisma and Brown had gravitas. |
I'm not uk. I'm irish. But doesn't this guy go by lord starmer. Is that not the anti of everything Labour uphold. Representing the working classes. Sorry if I'm out of touch. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 02:33 - Jun 5 with 1570 views | SydneyRs |
| General Election Thread on 01:26 - Jun 5 by bob566 |
I'm not uk. I'm irish. But doesn't this guy go by lord starmer. Is that not the anti of everything Labour uphold. Representing the working classes. Sorry if I'm out of touch. |
You are right, but even as far back as Blair Labour could not get elected without becoming tory lite, thanks mainly to the largely right wing UK media. They had to abandon the Kinnock, Foot type leader and get posh boy Blair in with his nice suits to win in 97. And that was after nearly 20 years of the tories being in govt.
Sad state of affairs but until a fair and unbiased media exists, which will properly never happen, nothing will change. I reckon as a minimum these newspapers and media websites should have to prominently display the fact they are supportive of certain political parties, a bit like the warnings on cigarette packets that disclose something which should be obvious to everyone but clearly isn't. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 02:35 - Jun 5 with 1568 views | SydneyRs |
| General Election Thread on 22:40 - Jun 4 by colinallcars |
Just struggled through the TV debate. I know it's about policies rather than personalities, but Starmer is wooden.
Say what you like about Blair but he had charisma and Brown had gravitas. |
Luckily for Starmer, Sunak is no better when it comes to charisma. Charisma shouldn't matter when electing a PM, but sadly does.
I think people forget how good Blair was when he started out and he certainly had plenty of charisma. Power does strange things to people though. It gets lost in the boring "war criminal" narrative that has emerged around him. A war that was backed by the opposition at the time plus conservative governments in the US and Australia, yet is used as a stick to beat Labour/Blair with. If anyone can show me the tories vehemently protesting against it at the time, I'd love to see it. [Post edited 5 Jun 2:39]
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| General Election Thread on 02:41 - Jun 5 with 1563 views | SydneyRs |
| General Election Thread on 19:48 - Jun 4 by Gus_iom |
It may well be a landslide in terms of the number of seats they win, but probably not in terms of the percentage of the electorate who vote for them. So they will have a mandate to govern and won't, at the same time. Its not going to be easy. |
Tbf, with FPTP this has always been the case. Parties winning by a "landslide" with around 40% of the vote. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 06:47 - Jun 5 with 1438 views | Hunterhoop |
| General Election Thread on 01:00 - Jun 5 by johncharles |
You mean, like me, you smell of beer anyway. Whoever threw milk on Farage knew what they were doing. Sour, rancid milk is going to stink to high heaven. |
Apparently it was the girlfriend of Reform UK’s press officer…so they definitely knew what they were doing. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 07:24 - Jun 5 with 1347 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| General Election Thread on 06:47 - Jun 5 by Hunterhoop |
Apparently it was the girlfriend of Reform UK’s press officer…so they definitely knew what they were doing. |
No, it wasn't.
https://victb.co.uk/
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| General Election Thread on 07:30 - Jun 5 with 1340 views | Paddyhoops |
Didn’t bother watching even though I love my politics.
Got the main bullet points on the radio this morning.
Nothing new from either of them .
Sunak trying do defend the indefensible.
Starmer trying to get the red wallers back into the fold.
Don’t expect much to change regardless of the result. | | | |
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| General Election Thread on 08:03 - Jun 5 with 1276 views | dmm |
A general election debate is just a reality TV show. The idea we could understand complex political issues through 45 second soundbites is simply ludicrous. No one should watch these shows to make any kind of informed decision on who to vote for. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 08:24 - Jun 5 with 1256 views | daveB |
I feel like I've gone back in time. Farage is ranting about immigration and having drinks thrown on him, is it 2016 again |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 08:39 - Jun 5 with 3232 views | hubble |
| General Election Thread on 02:35 - Jun 5 by SydneyRs |
Luckily for Starmer, Sunak is no better when it comes to charisma. Charisma shouldn't matter when electing a PM, but sadly does.
I think people forget how good Blair was when he started out and he certainly had plenty of charisma. Power does strange things to people though. It gets lost in the boring "war criminal" narrative that has emerged around him. A war that was backed by the opposition at the time plus conservative governments in the US and Australia, yet is used as a stick to beat Labour/Blair with. If anyone can show me the tories vehemently protesting against it at the time, I'd love to see it. [Post edited 5 Jun 2:39]
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A Blair apologist. How wonderful to see one, I thought they were as rare as hen's teeth.
It certainly says a lot about someone when you are prepared to turn a blind eye to a man who knowingly went to war on completely false pretences - and therefore an illegal war - a war that saw the death of hundreds of thousands (if not more) of innocent people and led to the interminable foment of the Middle East ever since; a turmoil which has also led to the dislocation of millions and the huge wave of immigration from that part of the world into Europe and the rise of wonderful people like Islamic State. Way to go, TB.
And let's not forget that Blair basked in the adulation that cosying up to Bush granted him. Two allies in an act that contravened international law and morality. But hey, that's ok, he was of the so-called 'liberal left', so let's give him a free pass. No court of law for him and his role in the massacre of innocents, no, that's reserved for those who have committed far more heinous crimes, such as paying hush money to a porn star.
Edit: Oh, I forgot to add: the "boring war criminal narrative" - yes, how awful, people going on about such trivial things! [Post edited 5 Jun 9:05]
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| General Election Thread on 09:20 - Jun 5 with 3120 views | FDC |
| General Election Thread on 19:33 - Jun 4 by FDC |
The power v righteousness dichotomy is a useful framing for the labour right who like to present themselves as pragmatic and grown up, as opposed the left who are niave and idealistic.
This is nonsense. The reality is that the labour right are not pragmatic but desire power for it's own sake (and for the access it provides their future careers on company boards), but as we're about to find out, getting into government with neither a policy platform or a mandate to actually do anything, having not presented a vision for anything (as a consequence of not actually having a vision for anything) means that you have very little room for maneuver and are not able to fix anything.
I suspect we're about to witness something quite unusual: an enormous landslide followed by an enormously unpopular term in office. Which probably says a lot about the state of British politics. |
I didn't watch the debate but this is a great example of how Starmer's (Morgan McSweeney's) Labour have, by refusing to present an alternative vision, allowed Tory ideology and political framing to pass into uncontested commonsense, thereby totally constraining themselves from actual enacting an alternative program in government
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| General Election Thread on 09:34 - Jun 5 with 3088 views | Superhoop83 |
| General Election Thread on 02:33 - Jun 5 by SydneyRs |
You are right, but even as far back as Blair Labour could not get elected without becoming tory lite, thanks mainly to the largely right wing UK media. They had to abandon the Kinnock, Foot type leader and get posh boy Blair in with his nice suits to win in 97. And that was after nearly 20 years of the tories being in govt.
Sad state of affairs but until a fair and unbiased media exists, which will properly never happen, nothing will change. I reckon as a minimum these newspapers and media websites should have to prominently display the fact they are supportive of certain political parties, a bit like the warnings on cigarette packets that disclose something which should be obvious to everyone but clearly isn't. |
Good post.
I know intelligent people who read the Daily Mail and don't see it for what is so patently is, i.e. feeding its readers the kind of hatred and fear mongering they absolutely lap up. They will even quote "news" from the Mail to me as proof of their point and there is no point even trying to give them an alternative point of view as they view their rag as gospel.
These people include my mum and my dad, long divorced but as one when it comes to their love of the Tories and the royal family (with two notable exceptions), their loathing of Sadiq Khan and their dislike of minorities of all kinds. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 09:56 - Jun 5 with 3021 views | Discodroids |
| General Election Thread on 09:34 - Jun 5 by Superhoop83 |
Good post.
I know intelligent people who read the Daily Mail and don't see it for what is so patently is, i.e. feeding its readers the kind of hatred and fear mongering they absolutely lap up. They will even quote "news" from the Mail to me as proof of their point and there is no point even trying to give them an alternative point of view as they view their rag as gospel.
These people include my mum and my dad, long divorced but as one when it comes to their love of the Tories and the royal family (with two notable exceptions), their loathing of Sadiq Khan and their dislike of minorities of all kinds. |
I Know intelligent people that read the guardian. There is no point even trying to give them an alternative point of view as they view their Dr white jam wrag two piece suit epistle of effluvia as gospel.
Crazy times. [Post edited 5 Jun 9:57]
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| General Election Thread on 10:45 - Jun 5 with 2896 views | Discodroids |
I haven't purchased a newspaper for about 3 years. They all bore me. no matter what their political creedo.
The only time i do buy one is when some posters on here call for a boycott of the Mail or the Sun, when I make sure to buy two copies of each daily.
The demonic delusions of grandeur and Roman Emperor ego of posters , (not superhoop
by the way), telling others what papers they should or shouldn't imbibe blows my synapse apart.
Rest assured, i drink in their Derision, scorn and castratus rage with a vampiric thirst that will never quench . [Post edited 5 Jun 10:48]
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| General Election Thread on 11:20 - Jun 5 with 2800 views | daveB |
| General Election Thread on 10:45 - Jun 5 by Discodroids |
I haven't purchased a newspaper for about 3 years. They all bore me. no matter what their political creedo.
The only time i do buy one is when some posters on here call for a boycott of the Mail or the Sun, when I make sure to buy two copies of each daily.
The demonic delusions of grandeur and Roman Emperor ego of posters , (not superhoop
by the way), telling others what papers they should or shouldn't imbibe blows my synapse apart.
Rest assured, i drink in their Derision, scorn and castratus rage with a vampiric thirst that will never quench . [Post edited 5 Jun 10:48]
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I used to buy the Sun for the tits, the mad made up stories were entertaining and the Sports pages were usually quite good but haven't bought a paper in years now. Thats not for any strong political feeling just got out of the habit of buying them and don't miss them | | | |
| General Election Thread on 13:21 - Jun 5 with 2665 views | derbyhoop |
| General Election Thread on 08:03 - Jun 5 by dmm |
A general election debate is just a reality TV show. The idea we could understand complex political issues through 45 second soundbites is simply ludicrous. No one should watch these shows to make any kind of informed decision on who to vote for. |
I thought it was awful. JE allowed both to talk over each other. The big takeaway was SunK's repeated claim of £2000 extra tax. That has now been seen to be a lie. However, claims like that can stick.
Overall I thought Sunak was rude and aggressive, but Starmer was short on detail. Political equivalent of a tedious 0-0 draw. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 13:54 - Jun 5 with 2570 views | Hunterhoop |
| General Election Thread on 13:21 - Jun 5 by derbyhoop |
I thought it was awful. JE allowed both to talk over each other. The big takeaway was SunK's repeated claim of £2000 extra tax. That has now been seen to be a lie. However, claims like that can stick.
Overall I thought Sunak was rude and aggressive, but Starmer was short on detail. Political equivalent of a tedious 0-0 draw. |
I like this.
Sunak was like a really organised, but aggressive and direct Pulis side. Starmer was like us under JFH: dull even though he was trying not to be.
Or, for a more recent and high level analogy. Sunak was Mourinho and Starmer was Southgate.
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| General Election Thread on 13:56 - Jun 5 with 2560 views | CamberleyR |
| General Election Thread on 13:21 - Jun 5 by derbyhoop |
I thought it was awful. JE allowed both to talk over each other. The big takeaway was SunK's repeated claim of £2000 extra tax. That has now been seen to be a lie. However, claims like that can stick.
Overall I thought Sunak was rude and aggressive, but Starmer was short on detail. Political equivalent of a tedious 0-0 draw. |
Starmer played a blinder I think. He was obviously in possession of that letter saying it wasn't Treasury civil servants who'd come up with this two grand a year figure and like the top lawyer he is, he let the defendant Sunak lie again and again to the jury to basically hang himself. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 14:35 - Jun 5 with 2471 views | dmm |
| General Election Thread on 13:21 - Jun 5 by derbyhoop |
I thought it was awful. JE allowed both to talk over each other. The big takeaway was SunK's repeated claim of £2000 extra tax. That has now been seen to be a lie. However, claims like that can stick.
Overall I thought Sunak was rude and aggressive, but Starmer was short on detail. Political equivalent of a tedious 0-0 draw. |
Renaming the PM "Sunk" is rather good. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 15:01 - Jun 5 with 2415 views | derbyhoop |
| General Election Thread on 14:35 - Jun 5 by dmm |
Renaming the PM "Sunk" is rather good. |
It might have been appropriate but was, in fact, a typing error.
Sophy Ridge had a better one live on Sky, talking about Hunt. She used the wrong leading consonant. | |
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| General Election Thread on 16:56 - Jun 5 with 2312 views | Watford_Ranger |
| General Election Thread on 08:39 - Jun 5 by hubble |
A Blair apologist. How wonderful to see one, I thought they were as rare as hen's teeth.
It certainly says a lot about someone when you are prepared to turn a blind eye to a man who knowingly went to war on completely false pretences - and therefore an illegal war - a war that saw the death of hundreds of thousands (if not more) of innocent people and led to the interminable foment of the Middle East ever since; a turmoil which has also led to the dislocation of millions and the huge wave of immigration from that part of the world into Europe and the rise of wonderful people like Islamic State. Way to go, TB.
And let's not forget that Blair basked in the adulation that cosying up to Bush granted him. Two allies in an act that contravened international law and morality. But hey, that's ok, he was of the so-called 'liberal left', so let's give him a free pass. No court of law for him and his role in the massacre of innocents, no, that's reserved for those who have committed far more heinous crimes, such as paying hush money to a porn star.
Edit: Oh, I forgot to add: the "boring war criminal narrative" - yes, how awful, people going on about such trivial things! [Post edited 5 Jun 9:05]
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Blair and Brown was an evidently good combo for leading this country. No PM since has come close. Brown deserved a chance at a full stint on his own as he’s unquestionably a hardworking, good bloke and politician who didn’t court the limelight but the country had to clutch its pearls over him calling a bigoted woman a bigot and we were dumb enough to vote in another chinless Etonian.
So yeah I’m a Blair ‘apologist’. New Labour achieved loads of positives. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 17:03 - Jun 5 with 2292 views | Sonofpugwash |
Strong rumour that Fat Boris is seeking to join Reform. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 17:18 - Jun 5 with 2283 views | Esox_Lucius |
| General Election Thread on 01:00 - Jun 5 by johncharles |
You mean, like me, you smell of beer anyway. Whoever threw milk on Farage knew what they were doing. Sour, rancid milk is going to stink to high heaven. |
Guaranteed to be a set up photo op. There is a photo of him with the woman arrested for throwing the milkshake from a while back. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 17:21 - Jun 5 with 2274 views | FDC |
| General Election Thread on 17:18 - Jun 5 by Esox_Lucius |
Guaranteed to be a set up photo op. There is a photo of him with the woman arrested for throwing the milkshake from a while back. |
It's not her, the woman that did it has been arrested, different person | | | |
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