| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 14:28 - Apr 20 with 2007 views | Darran |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 14:11 - Apr 20 by londonlisa2001 |
That’s like David and Victoria Beckham saying they hate publicity. |
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| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 14:32 - Apr 20 with 1998 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 14:28 - Apr 20 by Darran |
How rude. |
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| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 15:47 - Apr 20 with 1949 views | lifelong |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 22:55 - Apr 19 by Sirjohnalot |
Yep, that’s spot on, at the top of every statement there’s a paragraph along the lines of ‘if you write anything in this statement that is untrue or knowingly false, you commit an offence’, which is what he threatened to do.
He’ll be suspended, and go before a disciplinary panel, the whole footage will need to be looked at to see the lead up to it, not just the part that we’ve seen.
Doing my job for 15 years, I’ve come across half a dozen dodgy coppers, they were hated by their colleagues, one of whom was so bad, I called three officers as defence witnesses to give evidence against him.
If this chap has lost his temper against some little scroat, I feel really sorry for him but the ‘good old days’ where police could run amok resulted in miscarriages of justice like the Birmingham 6, Guildford 4, Cardiff 3, Craig and Bentley. Can never go back to those days.
Hope you have a lovely evening and keep safe |
I’ll call your half a dozen dodgy coppers and raise you a dozen dodgy solicitors. |  | | |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 16:09 - Apr 20 with 1921 views | Highjack |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 12:55 - Apr 20 by Witneyjack |
In disciplinary proceedings it is based on balance of probability, but still following a hearing.
'Whatever comes before or after in the footage is irrelevant.'
Is it? For example, what if the driver had said ( but not shown) " Im going to tell everyone that you assaulted me" ? It could be argued that the officer's comment about making up an offence was a hypothetical reply.
As I have said elsewhere, I am not here to defend him but ALL the evidence should be heard not just a video clip posted online. Then and only then should any sanction be imposed based on the decision of the overseeing panel. |
It doesn’t matter what the driver said or did. It’s irrelevant to any investigation into the conduct of the officer. Imagine your his union rep or other rep sitting in with him. It’s your job to defend him. The only possible mitigating defence that could be used is that he was stressed out, it was totally out of character and it’s never happened before and won’t again. But this one slip has made national news, brought the police force into disrepute and has even made it onto planetswans. |  |
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| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 16:12 - Apr 20 with 1915 views | Highjack |
You were always of a rather different tone when a certain demented old geriatric duffer from the Wirral was regaling us with tales of how he used to crack heads for fun. | |
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| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 17:06 - Apr 20 with 1875 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 15:47 - Apr 20 by lifelong |
I’ll call your half a dozen dodgy coppers and raise you a dozen dodgy solicitors. |
There are of course dodgy solicitors out there who are a cancer to the profession, but I also know many who are caring, faultless and give everything to look after people with mental health problems, coming from abusive backgrounds and who keep going to court and police stations in times like this when there is no protection in place.
One such person died in Kent last week after contracting Covid leaving behind his family.
Everyone who is dodgy in the legal profession need to be outed but they are in the minority. |  | | |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 17:14 - Apr 20 with 1867 views | Darran |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 16:12 - Apr 20 by Highjack |
You were always of a rather different tone when a certain demented old geriatric duffer from the Wirral was regaling us with tales of how he used to crack heads for fun. |
Not true that ćunt was doing it for fun.
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| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 21:22 - Apr 20 with 1767 views | Garyjack |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 17:14 - Apr 20 by Darran |
Not true that ćunt was doing it for fun.
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Where in that post does he say he was doing it for fun? |  | | |
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| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 22:29 - Apr 20 with 1715 views | Darran |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 21:22 - Apr 20 by Garyjack |
Where in that post does he say he was doing it for fun? |
He doesn’t but that’s what they were doing. He’s also posted on here in the past that he had a great time and earned lots of overtime cracking the heads of South Wales miners for Mrs Thatcher.
I know it’s true because he’s a massive ćunt. FACT | |
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| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 22:57 - Apr 20 with 1682 views | raynor94 |
He's been suspended tonight |  |
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| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 23:10 - Apr 20 with 1667 views | Highjack |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 22:57 - Apr 20 by raynor94 |
He's been suspended tonight |
It’s about time. Beating up gay men in toilets is just not on. | |
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| Police caught on camera threatening to on 23:54 - Apr 20 with 1644 views | chad |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 22:57 - Apr 20 by raynor94 |
He's been suspended tonight |
Lancashire's Chief Constable Andy Rhodes said in his earlier statement: 'The footage shows language and behaviour from one officer which were completely unacceptable and for this I apologise without reservation.
'We recognise the impact that this behaviour will have had, both on the young man concerned, and on the hard-earned trust and confidence of the wider public, particularly the comments about making offences up.
'It only takes one incident like this to undo the hard work of so many.'
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| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 00:02 - Apr 21 with 1637 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 23:10 - Apr 20 by Highjack |
It’s about time. Beating up gay men in toilets is just not on. |
You're right. They should stick to beating up straight men in toilets. |  |
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| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 02:04 - Apr 21 with 1606 views | Glyn1 |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 12:55 - Apr 20 by Witneyjack |
In disciplinary proceedings it is based on balance of probability, but still following a hearing.
'Whatever comes before or after in the footage is irrelevant.'
Is it? For example, what if the driver had said ( but not shown) " Im going to tell everyone that you assaulted me" ? It could be argued that the officer's comment about making up an offence was a hypothetical reply.
As I have said elsewhere, I am not here to defend him but ALL the evidence should be heard not just a video clip posted online. Then and only then should any sanction be imposed based on the decision of the overseeing panel. |
Actually, I think that everyone on here agrees with you. Investigate it and take it from there. The only people who disagree with you are those who don't see that there's any problem. |  |
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| Police caught on camera threatening to on 05:03 - Apr 21 with 1592 views | NotLoyal |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 18:03 - Apr 19 by londonlisa2001 |
As has been pointed out, he’s a complete liability in every case going forward and can’t do his job as a result.
If you want people to trust the justice system you can’t have it undermined by those that are part of it.
Shame the police don’t care about spreading the virus around when it’s them doing it. |
He can do his job moving forwards, and there would be little or no impact whatsoever, you are referencing evidence of bad character, which is a two way street in trials.
Edit, OK a few down arrows, I'm not supporting him, I'm just stating facts. [Post edited 21 Apr 2020 10:24]
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| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 08:34 - Apr 21 with 1535 views | WarwickHunt |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 22:57 - Apr 20 by raynor94 |
He's been suspended tonight |
By his bollox, hopefully. |  | | |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 09:35 - Apr 21 with 1492 views | MrSwerve |
Surely there are just some things that you can’t say in some professions, this being one of them.
Imagine an airline pilot joking to passengers that there’s a bomb on board.
Don’t worry, he only did it once, like. |  |
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| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 09:41 - Apr 21 with 1488 views | Catullus |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 08:34 - Apr 21 by WarwickHunt |
By his bollox, hopefully. |
Too bl00dy right.
I can't believe people defended him. When we've seen police behave like this at the football there's been massive complaints.
The days of giving someone a cuff for being a tvvat are long gone, I can't believe some people want them back. When it was your word against theirs you had no chance, a copper could hit you and no matter your record the copper would win the argument.
Now we have cameras on phones, cctv, dashcams and we hold the police to higher standards.
It doesn't matter the circumstances, how much of an a-hole the bloke was being is irrelevant to what we expect from our police.
Back in the day I was a witness at the trial of a drug dealer accused of assault, the local copper had 5 of us in a room the morning of the trial making sure we were saying the same things. Today that would be enough to have the case thrown out of court, to see the policeman disciplined at least, we'd be accused of perverting the course of justice by collusion I think, sirjohnalot mightbe able to confirm that?
Does anyone really want to live in a world where the police get their way by threatening to break the law? | |
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| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 10:21 - Apr 21 with 1460 views | Jackinexile1 |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 09:41 - Apr 21 by Catullus |
Too bl00dy right.
I can't believe people defended him. When we've seen police behave like this at the football there's been massive complaints.
The days of giving someone a cuff for being a tvvat are long gone, I can't believe some people want them back. When it was your word against theirs you had no chance, a copper could hit you and no matter your record the copper would win the argument.
Now we have cameras on phones, cctv, dashcams and we hold the police to higher standards.
It doesn't matter the circumstances, how much of an a-hole the bloke was being is irrelevant to what we expect from our police.
Back in the day I was a witness at the trial of a drug dealer accused of assault, the local copper had 5 of us in a room the morning of the trial making sure we were saying the same things. Today that would be enough to have the case thrown out of court, to see the policeman disciplined at least, we'd be accused of perverting the course of justice by collusion I think, sirjohnalot mightbe able to confirm that?
Does anyone really want to live in a world where the police get their way by threatening to break the law? |
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| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 10:26 - Apr 21 with 1453 views | NotLoyal |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 09:41 - Apr 21 by Catullus |
Too bl00dy right.
I can't believe people defended him. When we've seen police behave like this at the football there's been massive complaints.
The days of giving someone a cuff for being a tvvat are long gone, I can't believe some people want them back. When it was your word against theirs you had no chance, a copper could hit you and no matter your record the copper would win the argument.
Now we have cameras on phones, cctv, dashcams and we hold the police to higher standards.
It doesn't matter the circumstances, how much of an a-hole the bloke was being is irrelevant to what we expect from our police.
Back in the day I was a witness at the trial of a drug dealer accused of assault, the local copper had 5 of us in a room the morning of the trial making sure we were saying the same things. Today that would be enough to have the case thrown out of court, to see the policeman disciplined at least, we'd be accused of perverting the course of justice by collusion I think, sirjohnalot mightbe able to confirm that?
Does anyone really want to live in a world where the police get their way by threatening to break the law? |
People lie in court every day. It's rare they are or ever charged with anything. | |
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| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 10:45 - Apr 21 with 1433 views | Gwyn737 |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 09:41 - Apr 21 by Catullus |
Too bl00dy right.
I can't believe people defended him. When we've seen police behave like this at the football there's been massive complaints.
The days of giving someone a cuff for being a tvvat are long gone, I can't believe some people want them back. When it was your word against theirs you had no chance, a copper could hit you and no matter your record the copper would win the argument.
Now we have cameras on phones, cctv, dashcams and we hold the police to higher standards.
It doesn't matter the circumstances, how much of an a-hole the bloke was being is irrelevant to what we expect from our police.
Back in the day I was a witness at the trial of a drug dealer accused of assault, the local copper had 5 of us in a room the morning of the trial making sure we were saying the same things. Today that would be enough to have the case thrown out of court, to see the policeman disciplined at least, we'd be accused of perverting the course of justice by collusion I think, sirjohnalot mightbe able to confirm that?
Does anyone really want to live in a world where the police get their way by threatening to break the law? |
Spot on.
Especially pointing out that police should be held to a higher standard. Of course they should - they're there to uphold the law.
There may well be mitigating circumstances that may come out but it won't take away the fact that he said what he did. This is now in the public domain and will be difficult to recover from.
I have total respect for the people who do the job and I certainly wouldn't want to but you just can't say those things. | | | |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 16:51 - Apr 21 with 1328 views | Catullus |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 10:26 - Apr 21 by NotLoyal |
People lie in court every day. It's rare they are or ever charged with anything. |
Does that make it right?
Didn't that Labour MP end up in prison after committing perjury? Onasanya was it?
If police lie in court and get found out they don't often walk away from it untouched.
The policeman I referred too was our local copper for many years, he was doing what he thought right but was it really right? | |
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| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 17:12 - Apr 21 with 1317 views | NotLoyal |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 16:51 - Apr 21 by Catullus |
Does that make it right?
Didn't that Labour MP end up in prison after committing perjury? Onasanya was it?
If police lie in court and get found out they don't often walk away from it untouched.
The policeman I referred too was our local copper for many years, he was doing what he thought right but was it really right? |
Not sure exactly what he said, then of course there's your perception. As we know and I learned quickly whilst working in and out of court in ulster for 6 years the court is a theatre, Sir John will know. Its a theatrical backdrop in costume too of theories, beliefs, agendas and miniscule examination of the truth or indeed lies.
Here's an example that copper said 'we will make something up shall we'
Replace 'make' with 'look' and a different context can be explained, he made a mistake with one word under duress, OK there are other verbals, but please nobody should ever think that a court is a place for the whole truth, its a forum for the strongest will, the best explanations or most theatrical application of a single moment. I've seen it from many perspectives. I've seen coppers fold under cross examination, I've seen expert witnesses completely break down and ruin their reputations and futures, and I've applauded the introduction of video linked evidence, anonymous testimony if you like behind screens and the removal of wigs, and gowns. A good barrister will see the evidence for what it is, for me the best work on both sides of the table, superb minds with shining bright intelligence.
You are right lying doesn't make it right, but then again I'm pretty sure I've seen enough trials where the actual evidential test has completely been forgotten, cleverly moved by other factors of the 'perceived truth' by the highly qualified professionals involved. I could go on. | |
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| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 17:42 - Apr 21 with 1288 views | Catullus |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 17:12 - Apr 21 by NotLoyal |
Not sure exactly what he said, then of course there's your perception. As we know and I learned quickly whilst working in and out of court in ulster for 6 years the court is a theatre, Sir John will know. Its a theatrical backdrop in costume too of theories, beliefs, agendas and miniscule examination of the truth or indeed lies.
Here's an example that copper said 'we will make something up shall we'
Replace 'make' with 'look' and a different context can be explained, he made a mistake with one word under duress, OK there are other verbals, but please nobody should ever think that a court is a place for the whole truth, its a forum for the strongest will, the best explanations or most theatrical application of a single moment. I've seen it from many perspectives. I've seen coppers fold under cross examination, I've seen expert witnesses completely break down and ruin their reputations and futures, and I've applauded the introduction of video linked evidence, anonymous testimony if you like behind screens and the removal of wigs, and gowns. A good barrister will see the evidence for what it is, for me the best work on both sides of the table, superb minds with shining bright intelligence.
You are right lying doesn't make it right, but then again I'm pretty sure I've seen enough trials where the actual evidential test has completely been forgotten, cleverly moved by other factors of the 'perceived truth' by the highly qualified professionals involved. I could go on. |
Oh yes, court is a theatre and it's been known that the right Lawyer/Barrister will get a guitly man acquitted.
Take Nick Freeman, Mr Loophole. The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth is rarely heard and technicalities see people let off who are guilty as sin. | |
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