| Police caught on camera threatening to on 19:28 - Apr 21 with 1991 views | Jackinexile1 |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 17:12 - Apr 21 by NotLoyal |
Not sure exactly what he said, then of course there's your perception. As we know and I learned quickly whilst working in and out of court in ulster for 6 years the court is a theatre, Sir John will know. Its a theatrical backdrop in costume too of theories, beliefs, agendas and miniscule examination of the truth or indeed lies.
Here's an example that copper said 'we will make something up shall we'
Replace 'make' with 'look' and a different context can be explained, he made a mistake with one word under duress, OK there are other verbals, but please nobody should ever think that a court is a place for the whole truth, its a forum for the strongest will, the best explanations or most theatrical application of a single moment. I've seen it from many perspectives. I've seen coppers fold under cross examination, I've seen expert witnesses completely break down and ruin their reputations and futures, and I've applauded the introduction of video linked evidence, anonymous testimony if you like behind screens and the removal of wigs, and gowns. A good barrister will see the evidence for what it is, for me the best work on both sides of the table, superb minds with shining bright intelligence.
You are right lying doesn't make it right, but then again I'm pretty sure I've seen enough trials where the actual evidential test has completely been forgotten, cleverly moved by other factors of the 'perceived truth' by the highly qualified professionals involved. I could go on. |
Haha, stay in Germany, or Spain or wherever.
Probably the most dangerous misinformation poster on here. [Post edited 21 Apr 2020 19:30]
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| Police caught on camera threatening to on 22:17 - Apr 21 with 1941 views | NotLoyal |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 19:28 - Apr 21 by Jackinexile1 |
Haha, stay in Germany, or Spain or wherever.
Probably the most dangerous misinformation poster on here. [Post edited 21 Apr 2020 19:30]
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I'm in N. Ireland, if you care to point out in my post where, in your opinion I'm dangerous, please respond, we can discuss it on here or indeed listen to your qualified viewpoint. I'll await your response... [Post edited 21 Apr 2020 22:17]
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| Police caught on camera threatening to on 22:20 - Apr 21 with 1932 views | NotLoyal |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 17:42 - Apr 21 by Catullus |
Oh yes, court is a theatre and it's been known that the right Lawyer/Barrister will get a guitly man acquitted.
Take Nick Freeman, Mr Loophole. The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth is rarely heard and technicalities see people let off who are guilty as sin. |
It doesn't surprise me that we can post and answer viewpoints intelligently, however as you can see there are sufficient thickos on here who find this confusing and hard to define or digest.. Even the most recent one allegedly in exile, or indeed both 🙄😂 [Post edited 21 Apr 2020 23:27]
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| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 22:25 - Apr 21 with 1922 views | Jackinexile1 |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 22:20 - Apr 21 by NotLoyal |
It doesn't surprise me that we can post and answer viewpoints intelligently, however as you can see there are sufficient thickos on here who find this confusing and hard to define or digest.. Even the most recent one allegedly in exile, or indeed both 🙄😂 [Post edited 21 Apr 2020 23:27]
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Apologies, I thought you lived and run a business in Germany and was basing my opinion on a barrister.. all the best. | | | |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 23:02 - Apr 21 with 1891 views | NotLoyal |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 22:25 - Apr 21 by Jackinexile1 |
Apologies, I thought you lived and run a business in Germany and was basing my opinion on a barrister.. all the best. |
Keep up, the viewpoint of the barrister and mine were the same, we both agreed, my apologies also that you can't follow simple information, of course not my fault, something for you to manage in your own time. As to what I do and when, again if you choose to limit your assessment of that based on your ability or otherwise to collect and retain information over a period of time again that's an issue for you. I realise it takes all sorts to make this forum interesting, including the more fragile or lower level poster with poor cognitive recall and ability to understand basic information.
Moving back to my response to you, if you care to discuss anything in the post I made to catallus on the matter, including your viewpoints or opinion please make them here. It seems all you can do is make snide and anonymous remarks to someone who has been very open as to where they live, what they do (and have done) and how they can easily be located. Over to you, I look forward to it.
Edit ECB, you up arrowing cnt 😉 [Post edited 21 Apr 2020 23:10]
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| Police caught on camera threatening to on 00:02 - Apr 22 with 1843 views | Jackinexile1 |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 23:02 - Apr 21 by NotLoyal |
Keep up, the viewpoint of the barrister and mine were the same, we both agreed, my apologies also that you can't follow simple information, of course not my fault, something for you to manage in your own time. As to what I do and when, again if you choose to limit your assessment of that based on your ability or otherwise to collect and retain information over a period of time again that's an issue for you. I realise it takes all sorts to make this forum interesting, including the more fragile or lower level poster with poor cognitive recall and ability to understand basic information.
Moving back to my response to you, if you care to discuss anything in the post I made to catallus on the matter, including your viewpoints or opinion please make them here. It seems all you can do is make snide and anonymous remarks to someone who has been very open as to where they live, what they do (and have done) and how they can easily be located. Over to you, I look forward to it.
Edit ECB, you up arrowing cnt 😉 [Post edited 21 Apr 2020 23:10]
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Sirjohnalot: "every case where he’s been a witness in the past which have led to convictions will be appealed, every case in the future where he is a witness, this will have to be disclosed by the Crown. Even if it’s not, his name will be known and it will be put to him in cross exam that he is corrupt."
You: "He can do his job moving forwards, and there would be little or no impact whatsoever". | | | |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 00:02 - Apr 22 with 1843 views | Garyjack |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 23:02 - Apr 21 by NotLoyal |
Keep up, the viewpoint of the barrister and mine were the same, we both agreed, my apologies also that you can't follow simple information, of course not my fault, something for you to manage in your own time. As to what I do and when, again if you choose to limit your assessment of that based on your ability or otherwise to collect and retain information over a period of time again that's an issue for you. I realise it takes all sorts to make this forum interesting, including the more fragile or lower level poster with poor cognitive recall and ability to understand basic information.
Moving back to my response to you, if you care to discuss anything in the post I made to catallus on the matter, including your viewpoints or opinion please make them here. It seems all you can do is make snide and anonymous remarks to someone who has been very open as to where they live, what they do (and have done) and how they can easily be located. Over to you, I look forward to it.
Edit ECB, you up arrowing cnt 😉 [Post edited 21 Apr 2020 23:10]
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I've said it before on here. The courtroom is all about who has the best barrister, solicitor or even who the judge favours. It's a game for them, with little regard whether the defendant is guilty or not. Anyone who believes otherwise needs to be wrapped up in a nice warm blanket with a bottle of warm milk and placed in their cot. |  | | |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 00:05 - Apr 22 with 1834 views | Jackinexile1 |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 00:02 - Apr 22 by Garyjack |
I've said it before on here. The courtroom is all about who has the best barrister, solicitor or even who the judge favours. It's a game for them, with little regard whether the defendant is guilty or not. Anyone who believes otherwise needs to be wrapped up in a nice warm blanket with a bottle of warm milk and placed in their cot. |
Him and the barrister are the same...
Sirjohnalot: "every case where he’s been a witness in the past which have led to convictions will be appealed, every case in the future where he is a witness, this will have to be disclosed by the Crown. Even if it’s not, his name will be known and it will be put to him in cross exam that he is corrupt."
You: "He can do his job moving forwards, and there would be little or no impact whatsoever".
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| Police caught on camera threatening to on 00:09 - Apr 22 with 1826 views | NotLoyal |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 00:02 - Apr 22 by Jackinexile1 |
Sirjohnalot: "every case where he’s been a witness in the past which have led to convictions will be appealed, every case in the future where he is a witness, this will have to be disclosed by the Crown. Even if it’s not, his name will be known and it will be put to him in cross exam that he is corrupt."
You: "He can do his job moving forwards, and there would be little or no impact whatsoever". |
I'm obviously very special to you, we both didn't discuss this as it's bad character not the offence under discussion. If I felt you had any idea what it was, and what I am referring to I would indulge you, but you have already shown yourself to be of limited capacity to discuss and understand the points we both raised. It's not black and white I can assure you. Hopefully this won't come between us and mean you feel so inadequate you have to examine everything I say to make yourself feel better. Its a horrible place to be. I'm here if you need me x [Post edited 22 Apr 2020 0:15]
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| Police caught on camera threatening to on 00:33 - Apr 22 with 1807 views | Jackinexile1 |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 00:09 - Apr 22 by NotLoyal |
I'm obviously very special to you, we both didn't discuss this as it's bad character not the offence under discussion. If I felt you had any idea what it was, and what I am referring to I would indulge you, but you have already shown yourself to be of limited capacity to discuss and understand the points we both raised. It's not black and white I can assure you. Hopefully this won't come between us and mean you feel so inadequate you have to examine everything I say to make yourself feel better. Its a horrible place to be. I'm here if you need me x [Post edited 22 Apr 2020 0:15]
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Sirjohnalot: "every case where he’s been a witness in the past which have led to convictions will be appealed, every case in the future where he is a witness, this will have to be disclosed by the Crown. Even if it’s not, his name will be known and it will be put to him in cross exam that he is corrupt."
You: "He can do his job moving forwards, and there would be little or no impact whatsoever". | | | |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 07:47 - Apr 22 with 1753 views | NotLoyal |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 00:33 - Apr 22 by Jackinexile1 |
Sirjohnalot: "every case where he’s been a witness in the past which have led to convictions will be appealed, every case in the future where he is a witness, this will have to be disclosed by the Crown. Even if it’s not, his name will be known and it will be put to him in cross exam that he is corrupt."
You: "He can do his job moving forwards, and there would be little or no impact whatsoever". |
Yup, correct. Your a bit dull so I'm not going to even bother explaining. As I said that's bad character not the issue that was under discussion. And as I also said, keep up. [Post edited 22 Apr 2020 7:48]
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| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 08:19 - Apr 22 with 1737 views | Jinxy |
What is interesting is that something I felt was obvious, i.e. it appeared the officer bullied, threatened to perverse the course of justice, abused his position of authority, invaded the guy's personal space (social distancing out of the window), intimidated etc., which all then should be formally investigated with a likely (and preferred from my perspective) outcome being dismissal, has been (sometimes!) intelligently challenged by some on here.
As I say, interesting, not a criticism - that's the joy of living in a fair, open and democratic society, thankfully. |  | | |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 08:56 - Apr 22 with 1711 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 17:06 - Apr 20 by Sirjohnalot |
There are of course dodgy solicitors out there who are a cancer to the profession, but I also know many who are caring, faultless and give everything to look after people with mental health problems, coming from abusive backgrounds and who keep going to court and police stations in times like this when there is no protection in place.
One such person died in Kent last week after contracting Covid leaving behind his family.
Everyone who is dodgy in the legal profession need to be outed but they are in the minority. |
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| Police caught on camera threatening to on 10:13 - Apr 22 with 1674 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 07:47 - Apr 22 by NotLoyal |
Yup, correct. Your a bit dull so I'm not going to even bother explaining. As I said that's bad character not the issue that was under discussion. And as I also said, keep up. [Post edited 22 Apr 2020 7:48]
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You are half right with regards bad character, as if the character of a prosecution witness is brought into dispute it opens up the gateway for the defendant’s bad character to be brought into question.
What if the defendant doesn’t have any previous or if they are irrelevant eg drink driving 7 years ago ?
Even if they are relevant and are brought in, it only comes into play after the prosecution case has finished which may be a problem as it may well be that an application of ‘no case to answer’ is made at the conclusion of the prosecution case. This means that it will be said to the Judge in the absence of the jury that the prosecution witness has been so discredited that the case should end there.
Even if it does go past this it is down to the prosecution to prove the case so that the jury are ‘sure’ (we don’t say beyond reasonable doubt anymore).
Not sure who said it, but my job is anything but a ‘game’ it is People’s lives. It is not up to us to comment upon whether we believe our client is guilty or not. Our job is to present the case to the jury, it is their job to decide on guilt.
For the record, if a client told his barrister they were guilty, you cannot take it to trial and cross examine a witness to suggest they’re innocent. Your first duty is to the court. It’s a common myth to suggest that someone would risk their licence to practice. |  | | |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 11:16 - Apr 22 with 1644 views | GreatBritton |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 10:13 - Apr 22 by Sirjohnalot |
You are half right with regards bad character, as if the character of a prosecution witness is brought into dispute it opens up the gateway for the defendant’s bad character to be brought into question.
What if the defendant doesn’t have any previous or if they are irrelevant eg drink driving 7 years ago ?
Even if they are relevant and are brought in, it only comes into play after the prosecution case has finished which may be a problem as it may well be that an application of ‘no case to answer’ is made at the conclusion of the prosecution case. This means that it will be said to the Judge in the absence of the jury that the prosecution witness has been so discredited that the case should end there.
Even if it does go past this it is down to the prosecution to prove the case so that the jury are ‘sure’ (we don’t say beyond reasonable doubt anymore).
Not sure who said it, but my job is anything but a ‘game’ it is People’s lives. It is not up to us to comment upon whether we believe our client is guilty or not. Our job is to present the case to the jury, it is their job to decide on guilt.
For the record, if a client told his barrister they were guilty, you cannot take it to trial and cross examine a witness to suggest they’re innocent. Your first duty is to the court. It’s a common myth to suggest that someone would risk their licence to practice. |
When did 'reasonable doubt' stop being used, SirJohn? And what was the thinking? I'm interested not because I'm a felon, or a jurist or a practising law professional, but because I am interested in laguage and social structures and mores. TIA |  | | |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 11:24 - Apr 22 with 1637 views | NotLoyal |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 10:13 - Apr 22 by Sirjohnalot |
You are half right with regards bad character, as if the character of a prosecution witness is brought into dispute it opens up the gateway for the defendant’s bad character to be brought into question.
What if the defendant doesn’t have any previous or if they are irrelevant eg drink driving 7 years ago ?
Even if they are relevant and are brought in, it only comes into play after the prosecution case has finished which may be a problem as it may well be that an application of ‘no case to answer’ is made at the conclusion of the prosecution case. This means that it will be said to the Judge in the absence of the jury that the prosecution witness has been so discredited that the case should end there.
Even if it does go past this it is down to the prosecution to prove the case so that the jury are ‘sure’ (we don’t say beyond reasonable doubt anymore).
Not sure who said it, but my job is anything but a ‘game’ it is People’s lives. It is not up to us to comment upon whether we believe our client is guilty or not. Our job is to present the case to the jury, it is their job to decide on guilt.
For the record, if a client told his barrister they were guilty, you cannot take it to trial and cross examine a witness to suggest they’re innocent. Your first duty is to the court. It’s a common myth to suggest that someone would risk their licence to practice. |
In my short experience there were numerous times when coppers had disciplinary convictions in the PSNI ( then RUC ) but were withheld as the defendant had an obvious long list as well which would be disclosed to the jury. Let’s be honest they would presume guilt. We always looked for the MG6 confidential forms first to review if at all there were any issues. I am grateful for your post as there are one or two on here who just look for something to have ago at due to their own inadequacies. We better not get chatting about judge in chambers regards R v Johnston that would really blow the minds of the few. As this is something I did for six years it remains an interest for me, but time moves on. Thanks again.
Edit, ref the ‘game’ comment, Michael Mansfield if I recall, but when 🤷🻠[Post edited 22 Apr 2020 11:27]
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| Police caught on camera threatening to on 11:43 - Apr 22 with 1620 views | FieryJack |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 08:19 - Apr 22 by Jinxy |
What is interesting is that something I felt was obvious, i.e. it appeared the officer bullied, threatened to perverse the course of justice, abused his position of authority, invaded the guy's personal space (social distancing out of the window), intimidated etc., which all then should be formally investigated with a likely (and preferred from my perspective) outcome being dismissal, has been (sometimes!) intelligently challenged by some on here.
As I say, interesting, not a criticism - that's the joy of living in a fair, open and democratic society, thankfully. |
I've been reading this thread on and off for 4 days, but haven't, until now, bothered to watch the footage.
I see that roughly around 90% of the comments are against the copper and about 10% in defence of him.
I fully expected to be with the 90%, and so I found myself very surprised, and a little discombobulated, to find that on viewing the piece, my instinctive gut reaction was to sympathise far more with the officer than with the "victim".
I sense that the copper, probably for the umpteenth time, was sick and bloody tired of being back-chatted to, disrespected, sneeringly or subtly mocked by groups of insolent local lads in Accrington's side streets. Possibly Blackburn fans (😡).
Been to Accy a few times - interesting place, if you're an outsider and dont have to live there.
So, after months of crap, copper loses his rag. Big deal. (Just like a teacher would after months of chopsing from a roomful of remedials.)
All very well to say he hasn't got the temperament for the job. How many have? They are well under-staffed, thanks to this government, and need to be recruiting, not sacking.
Expecting police to be paragons of virtue, beyond reproach, is absurdly unrealistic.
I reckon the car driver was giving him attitude, sneering, or puffing his chest up, or something like that, which provoked the copper (probably feeling harried and surrounded) to respond with some overbearing, macho chest-puffing of his own. That's how I saw it, anyhow.
Having some prick in the background filming all this only inflamed the situation more.
In fact, the one thing that really made my blood boil watching this, was not the copper's comments. It was when the officer said "you can film all you like", and the prick with the smartphone camera replied, in his vile, whiny, sarcastic Lancashire drawl "Oh, don't worry mate, I will".
This opportunistic, scavenging, parasitic scrote should have had that phone rammed up his bottom. |  | | |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 11:45 - Apr 22 with 1615 views | Catullus |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 11:24 - Apr 22 by NotLoyal |
In my short experience there were numerous times when coppers had disciplinary convictions in the PSNI ( then RUC ) but were withheld as the defendant had an obvious long list as well which would be disclosed to the jury. Let’s be honest they would presume guilt. We always looked for the MG6 confidential forms first to review if at all there were any issues. I am grateful for your post as there are one or two on here who just look for something to have ago at due to their own inadequacies. We better not get chatting about judge in chambers regards R v Johnston that would really blow the minds of the few. As this is something I did for six years it remains an interest for me, but time moves on. Thanks again.
Edit, ref the ‘game’ comment, Michael Mansfield if I recall, but when 🤷🻠[Post edited 22 Apr 2020 11:27]
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Life is a game, some of us play it badly! Whatever the walk of life, there is good, bad and everything in between.
There's a book by 'The Secret Barrister' that I might try one day.
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| Police caught on camera threatening to on 11:55 - Apr 22 with 1605 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 11:16 - Apr 22 by GreatBritton |
When did 'reasonable doubt' stop being used, SirJohn? And what was the thinking? I'm interested not because I'm a felon, or a jurist or a practising law professional, but because I am interested in laguage and social structures and mores. TIA |
It’s been about 5 years maybe. Think it’s just simpler language for the jury to understand. ‘Reasonable doubt’ is quite objective. | | | |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 12:48 - Apr 22 with 1576 views | Jinxy |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 11:43 - Apr 22 by FieryJack |
I've been reading this thread on and off for 4 days, but haven't, until now, bothered to watch the footage.
I see that roughly around 90% of the comments are against the copper and about 10% in defence of him.
I fully expected to be with the 90%, and so I found myself very surprised, and a little discombobulated, to find that on viewing the piece, my instinctive gut reaction was to sympathise far more with the officer than with the "victim".
I sense that the copper, probably for the umpteenth time, was sick and bloody tired of being back-chatted to, disrespected, sneeringly or subtly mocked by groups of insolent local lads in Accrington's side streets. Possibly Blackburn fans (😡).
Been to Accy a few times - interesting place, if you're an outsider and dont have to live there.
So, after months of crap, copper loses his rag. Big deal. (Just like a teacher would after months of chopsing from a roomful of remedials.)
All very well to say he hasn't got the temperament for the job. How many have? They are well under-staffed, thanks to this government, and need to be recruiting, not sacking.
Expecting police to be paragons of virtue, beyond reproach, is absurdly unrealistic.
I reckon the car driver was giving him attitude, sneering, or puffing his chest up, or something like that, which provoked the copper (probably feeling harried and surrounded) to respond with some overbearing, macho chest-puffing of his own. That's how I saw it, anyhow.
Having some prick in the background filming all this only inflamed the situation more.
In fact, the one thing that really made my blood boil watching this, was not the copper's comments. It was when the officer said "you can film all you like", and the prick with the smartphone camera replied, in his vile, whiny, sarcastic Lancashire drawl "Oh, don't worry mate, I will".
This opportunistic, scavenging, parasitic scrote should have had that phone rammed up his bottom. |
Several good points well made! There are some professions though that really require restraint and discipline - armed police, soldiers, pilots etc. are probably a good example, but as you say we're all human. I think the main debate here is not necessarily to say what he did/said was impossible (we're all human), but what should be done about it?
I also think police officers and maybe people in general, can make assumptions due to attire, accents, demeanour and so on. I'm not saying you do, but it is often the case. I've had lots of incidents, when either at the football, or in my bike gear, having a llynfi valley accent, unshaven for a few days (!), or indeed all of the above when people make assumptions. I think Lisa mentioned (I paraphrase), probably quite rightly, that he wouldn't have spoken to her in that way. So, we can draw conclusions as to why. As I said previously, personally I won't accept it from people in authority and always follow these things up. Yes, I've turned into Victor Meldrew.
It'll be interesting what the police do about this incident. | | | |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 12:50 - Apr 22 with 1571 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 12:48 - Apr 22 by Jinxy |
Several good points well made! There are some professions though that really require restraint and discipline - armed police, soldiers, pilots etc. are probably a good example, but as you say we're all human. I think the main debate here is not necessarily to say what he did/said was impossible (we're all human), but what should be done about it?
I also think police officers and maybe people in general, can make assumptions due to attire, accents, demeanour and so on. I'm not saying you do, but it is often the case. I've had lots of incidents, when either at the football, or in my bike gear, having a llynfi valley accent, unshaven for a few days (!), or indeed all of the above when people make assumptions. I think Lisa mentioned (I paraphrase), probably quite rightly, that he wouldn't have spoken to her in that way. So, we can draw conclusions as to why. As I said previously, personally I won't accept it from people in authority and always follow these things up. Yes, I've turned into Victor Meldrew.
It'll be interesting what the police do about this incident. |
“ think Lisa mentioned (I paraphrase), probably quite rightly, that he wouldn't have spoken to her in that way.”
That’s not because of my Swansea accent btw, but because I’m a middle aged woman who normally looks relatively respectable if I’m out and about  | | | |
| Police caught on camera threatening to "make up a charge" on 12:51 - Apr 22 with 1570 views | controversial_jack |
For every dodgy copper, there are many more who will close ranks and back them up. It's similar for most professions; close ranks to protect your colleagues. | | | |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 13:25 - Apr 22 with 1541 views | Jinxy |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 12:50 - Apr 22 by londonlisa2001 |
“ think Lisa mentioned (I paraphrase), probably quite rightly, that he wouldn't have spoken to her in that way.”
That’s not because of my Swansea accent btw, but because I’m a middle aged woman who normally looks relatively respectable if I’m out and about |
I don't doubt it for a second Lisa! I'm sure you know what I mean though. People often add 2+2 and get 19. | | | |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 14:08 - Apr 22 with 1489 views | FieryJack |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 12:48 - Apr 22 by Jinxy |
Several good points well made! There are some professions though that really require restraint and discipline - armed police, soldiers, pilots etc. are probably a good example, but as you say we're all human. I think the main debate here is not necessarily to say what he did/said was impossible (we're all human), but what should be done about it?
I also think police officers and maybe people in general, can make assumptions due to attire, accents, demeanour and so on. I'm not saying you do, but it is often the case. I've had lots of incidents, when either at the football, or in my bike gear, having a llynfi valley accent, unshaven for a few days (!), or indeed all of the above when people make assumptions. I think Lisa mentioned (I paraphrase), probably quite rightly, that he wouldn't have spoken to her in that way. So, we can draw conclusions as to why. As I said previously, personally I won't accept it from people in authority and always follow these things up. Yes, I've turned into Victor Meldrew.
It'll be interesting what the police do about this incident. |
As far as this copper's fate goes: hopefully his employer takes a measured and moderate response - maybe a severe reprimand, coupled with a period of probation.
However, I feel it would be a great shame if he were sacked just because Lancashire Police felt pressured into it by PR considerations.
It would be interesting to know what other police officers think about it.
As far as making "assumptions due to attire, accents, demeanour and so on", I'm ashamed to say that, despite my best efforts, I'm forever making negative judgemental comments about other people - much to my girlfriend's annoyance.
And, no, it's not quad-bike racing council-estate lads that get my goat. But many a Saturday night out has been spoilt by my constant whining about how loud-voiced, gentrifying, middle-class, entitled 20-somethings have taken over the local pubs.
And as for stubble-chinned bikers with LLynfi Valley accents - well, you're just clearly looking for trouble, aren't you  | | | |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 14:46 - Apr 22 with 1461 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Police caught on camera threatening to on 14:08 - Apr 22 by FieryJack |
As far as this copper's fate goes: hopefully his employer takes a measured and moderate response - maybe a severe reprimand, coupled with a period of probation.
However, I feel it would be a great shame if he were sacked just because Lancashire Police felt pressured into it by PR considerations.
It would be interesting to know what other police officers think about it.
As far as making "assumptions due to attire, accents, demeanour and so on", I'm ashamed to say that, despite my best efforts, I'm forever making negative judgemental comments about other people - much to my girlfriend's annoyance.
And, no, it's not quad-bike racing council-estate lads that get my goat. But many a Saturday night out has been spoilt by my constant whining about how loud-voiced, gentrifying, middle-class, entitled 20-somethings have taken over the local pubs.
And as for stubble-chinned bikers with LLynfi Valley accents - well, you're just clearly looking for trouble, aren't you |
I almost always agree with your posts, but on this, I really don’t. I think the sentence should do you think they’ll believe’ is reason enough to sack this bloke. They are the words of a bully. | | | |
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