| Omicron 11:01 - Nov 30 with 28344 views | RonaldStump |
Well, well.well .. the symptoms of the 'new variant' have, so far, only happened in vaccinated people and they have the same complications as severe vaccine reactions.
Didn't see that one coming did we
How convenient... we don't have to blame the vaccines anymore!!
Awake yet? .........surely you are |  |
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| Omicron on 19:38 - Dec 29 with 1028 views | GoldenBear |
| Omicron on 18:30 - Dec 29 by felixstowe_jack |
Apparently 90% of hospital patients with covoid are those that have not had the booster, so made up of unvaccinated, first dose only and those who had two doses but their protection reduced.
Seems a simple solution get your booster, get your second dose, get your first dose. [Post edited 29 Dec 2021 18:45]
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And round and round it goes. |  | | |
| Omicron on 20:17 - Dec 29 with 990 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Omicron on 18:30 - Dec 29 by felixstowe_jack |
Apparently 90% of hospital patients with covoid are those that have not had the booster, so made up of unvaccinated, first dose only and those who had two doses but their protection reduced.
Seems a simple solution get your booster, get your second dose, get your first dose. [Post edited 29 Dec 2021 18:45]
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They’re not unvaccinated. Their vaccines have ceased to function. |  |
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| Omicron on 09:37 - Dec 30 with 937 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Omicron on 00:54 - Dec 29 by Professor |
AFD lives in a fantasyland. There is no space or resource to allow this, without idiot anti-Vaxxera or deniers. Perhaps this was possible in the days of TB and smallpox isolation,
But the choice is more tax or better services.
Most don’t like paying tax |
"AFD lives in a fantasyland".
Yes funny how suddenly the NHS are going to use Nightingale Hubs, exactly the kind of thing I proposed. | | | |
| Omicron on 10:36 - Dec 30 with 917 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Omicron on 20:17 - Dec 29 by Brynmill_Jack |
They’re not unvaccinated. Their vaccines have ceased to function. |
Vaccines don't suddenly ceases to function their effectiveness falls over time.
Of course the unvaccinated have no immunity at all. | |
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| Omicron on 14:26 - Dec 30 with 895 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Omicron on 10:36 - Dec 30 by felixstowe_jack |
Vaccines don't suddenly ceases to function their effectiveness falls over time.
Of course the unvaccinated have no immunity at all. |
Yes they do. They have natural immune systems. Yours now is going to need boosters every 10-12 weeks. Not exactly what you hoped for is it? | |
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| Omicron on 14:28 - Dec 30 with 894 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Omicron on 10:36 - Dec 30 by felixstowe_jack |
Vaccines don't suddenly ceases to function their effectiveness falls over time.
Of course the unvaccinated have no immunity at all. |
By the way that first sentence is hilariously illogical and contradictory. | |
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| Omicron on 14:29 - Dec 30 with 888 views | Scotia |
| Omicron on 14:28 - Dec 30 by Brynmill_Jack |
By the way that first sentence is hilariously illogical and contradictory. |
In what way? | | | |
| Omicron on 14:33 - Dec 30 with 882 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Omicron on 14:29 - Dec 30 by Scotia |
In what way? |
They obviously HAVE ceased to function | |
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| Omicron on 14:34 - Dec 30 with 880 views | Scotia |
| Omicron on 14:26 - Dec 30 by Brynmill_Jack |
Yes they do. They have natural immune systems. Yours now is going to need boosters every 10-12 weeks. Not exactly what you hoped for is it? |
They have an immune system that has, in all likelihood, never been exposed to the virus. Someone who has been vaccinated has an immune system that has been exposed to the virus and remebers it.
Even if someone has had one vaccine dose they will be in a considerably better position than someone who has never recieved one for far longer than 10-12 weeks. | | | |
| Omicron on 14:37 - Dec 30 with 877 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Omicron on 14:34 - Dec 30 by Scotia |
They have an immune system that has, in all likelihood, never been exposed to the virus. Someone who has been vaccinated has an immune system that has been exposed to the virus and remebers it.
Even if someone has had one vaccine dose they will be in a considerably better position than someone who has never recieved one for far longer than 10-12 weeks. |
It was already well publicised and acknowledged, even at the time of the initial breakout and subsequent lockdown that some people were wither asymptomatic or immune. | |
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| Omicron on 14:53 - Dec 30 with 869 views | Scotia |
| Omicron on 14:37 - Dec 30 by Brynmill_Jack |
It was already well publicised and acknowledged, even at the time of the initial breakout and subsequent lockdown that some people were wither asymptomatic or immune. |
Yep about 30% asymptomatic, nobody is completely immune forever. Even after a vaccine or infection.. | | | |
| Omicron on 15:47 - Dec 30 with 851 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Omicron on 14:34 - Dec 30 by Scotia |
They have an immune system that has, in all likelihood, never been exposed to the virus. Someone who has been vaccinated has an immune system that has been exposed to the virus and remebers it.
Even if someone has had one vaccine dose they will be in a considerably better position than someone who has never recieved one for far longer than 10-12 weeks. |
I can prove you wrong without really trying.
Consider one of the very first outbreaks outside of China, I give you The Diamond Princess.
The vessel was quarantined off Japan for two weeks after a Chinese passenger from 2 weeks before that tested positive, of the 3,711 people on board, 712 (19.2%) became infected with the virus.
Why not read about it and then come back and tell us how without inate immunity all those old passengers and young crew weren't infected. [Post edited 30 Dec 2021 16:58]
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| Omicron on 16:05 - Dec 30 with 842 views | Scotia |
| Omicron on 15:47 - Dec 30 by A_Fans_Dad |
I can prove you wrong without really trying.
Consider one of the very first outbreaks outside of China, I give you The Diamond Princess.
The vessel was quarantined off Japan for two weeks after a Chinese passenger from 2 weeks before that tested positive, of the 3,711 people on board, 712 (19.2%) became infected with the virus.
Why not read about it and then come back and tell us how without inate immunity all those old passengers and young crew weren't infected. [Post edited 30 Dec 2021 16:58]
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Do you really think that is proving me wrong?
You need to try, much harder. | | | |
| Omicron on 16:10 - Dec 30 with 840 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Omicron on 16:05 - Dec 30 by Scotia |
Do you really think that is proving me wrong?
You need to try, much harder. |
Yes, unless you can prove otherwise, according to you they should all have caught COVID after spending a month together with COVID circulating and them partying and couped up in small spaces for at least half of that time.
Why doesn't every member of every household also catch it once it is introduced in to the houshold?
Come on you always (never actually) have all the answers so cough them up. | | | |
| Omicron on 16:23 - Dec 30 with 837 views | Scotia |
| Omicron on 16:10 - Dec 30 by A_Fans_Dad |
Yes, unless you can prove otherwise, according to you they should all have caught COVID after spending a month together with COVID circulating and them partying and couped up in small spaces for at least half of that time.
Why doesn't every member of every household also catch it once it is introduced in to the houshold?
Come on you always (never actually) have all the answers so cough them up. |
So that's what they were doing for a month was it, all partying together? Was this the kind of "cruise" where everyone was getting intimate with each other?
It's an insane comparison. Do you think the passenger who got on with Covid in Yokohama and sailed for five days to Hong Kong would have managed to infect 4000 other people in that time?
Read this article, and then pipe down.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00885-w
Once again you're spouting off about something you don't understand. At all.
Why do you think not everyone in a house catches covid?
In fact don't, please stop thinking. Especially about science. It is way out of your league.
I can't think of a question that you've posed that I haven't answered, you on the contrary are the expert in diversion.
I've been in Finland and away from the internet for a while. If i've missed any please let me know. | | | |
| Omicron on 17:22 - Dec 30 with 825 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Omicron on 16:23 - Dec 30 by Scotia |
So that's what they were doing for a month was it, all partying together? Was this the kind of "cruise" where everyone was getting intimate with each other?
It's an insane comparison. Do you think the passenger who got on with Covid in Yokohama and sailed for five days to Hong Kong would have managed to infect 4000 other people in that time?
Read this article, and then pipe down.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00885-w
Once again you're spouting off about something you don't understand. At all.
Why do you think not everyone in a house catches covid?
In fact don't, please stop thinking. Especially about science. It is way out of your league.
I can't think of a question that you've posed that I haven't answered, you on the contrary are the expert in diversion.
I've been in Finland and away from the internet for a while. If i've missed any please let me know. |
"So that's what they were doing for a month was it, all partying together?"
Did I say they partied for the whole month?
They were partying after the infected man from Hong Kong left on the 25th of January up till being quarantined in their cabins on the 5th of February. The infection rate was 1 to 7 during that time.
That Nature article proves exactly what I said and in no way explains why 80% of all the poeple and 86% of the crew were not infected.
By the way that article didn't even get the mortality number correct, it wasn't 7 dead it was 14.
Even after quarantine in their cabins people still became infected, but strangely partners sharing cabins, just like families sharing houses did not all get infected. In many couples only one got infected.
Please explain how that is possible without some kind of Immunity. | | | |
| Omicron on 20:02 - Dec 30 with 796 views | Scotia |
| Omicron on 17:22 - Dec 30 by A_Fans_Dad |
"So that's what they were doing for a month was it, all partying together?"
Did I say they partied for the whole month?
They were partying after the infected man from Hong Kong left on the 25th of January up till being quarantined in their cabins on the 5th of February. The infection rate was 1 to 7 during that time.
That Nature article proves exactly what I said and in no way explains why 80% of all the poeple and 86% of the crew were not infected.
By the way that article didn't even get the mortality number correct, it wasn't 7 dead it was 14.
Even after quarantine in their cabins people still became infected, but strangely partners sharing cabins, just like families sharing houses did not all get infected. In many couples only one got infected.
Please explain how that is possible without some kind of Immunity. |
You said.
"according to you they should all have caught COVID after spending a month together with COVID circulating and them partying and couped up in small spaces for at least half of that time."
This response is an attempt at diversion. Again.
They clearly didn't spend a month partying and circulating. As soon as the infected man was discovered after spending 5 days on board the entire ship was confined to their cabins and tested. As people were discovered to be positive they were removed from the ship.
You also have to bare in mind this was the original Wuhan strain which was nowhere near as infectious as recent strains.
That is also why everyone in a family doesn't get infected. You don't catch covid instantly you are within 2 metres of someone, the less you are exposed the less likely you are to contract covid. Families isolate themselves wherever possible, where its not possible the entire family often gets infected.
But in these instances the entire family don't get infected at exactly the same time. I've had friends who've tested positive a week after the rest of the family.
So can you prove there is some form of inate immunity to covid? | | | |
| Omicron on 20:09 - Dec 30 with 794 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Omicron on 20:02 - Dec 30 by Scotia |
You said.
"according to you they should all have caught COVID after spending a month together with COVID circulating and them partying and couped up in small spaces for at least half of that time."
This response is an attempt at diversion. Again.
They clearly didn't spend a month partying and circulating. As soon as the infected man was discovered after spending 5 days on board the entire ship was confined to their cabins and tested. As people were discovered to be positive they were removed from the ship.
You also have to bare in mind this was the original Wuhan strain which was nowhere near as infectious as recent strains.
That is also why everyone in a family doesn't get infected. You don't catch covid instantly you are within 2 metres of someone, the less you are exposed the less likely you are to contract covid. Families isolate themselves wherever possible, where its not possible the entire family often gets infected.
But in these instances the entire family don't get infected at exactly the same time. I've had friends who've tested positive a week after the rest of the family.
So can you prove there is some form of inate immunity to covid? |
I already have, you just don't accept it.
If there is no inate immunity how do you get asymptomatic people.
It is either because the PCR test is wrong and they do not have COVID.
Or the PCR test was right and they the immunity to prevent COVID making them ill.
All the data points to some people being immune to COVID, whether they are immune to all variants is not clear.
Whether you believe it or not is immaterial. | | | |
| Omicron on 20:11 - Dec 30 with 790 views | Gwyn737 |
| Omicron on 20:09 - Dec 30 by A_Fans_Dad |
I already have, you just don't accept it.
If there is no inate immunity how do you get asymptomatic people.
It is either because the PCR test is wrong and they do not have COVID.
Or the PCR test was right and they the immunity to prevent COVID making them ill.
All the data points to some people being immune to COVID, whether they are immune to all variants is not clear.
Whether you believe it or not is immaterial. |
You can be immune to the symptoms but not immune to COVID. Is that right? | | | |
| Omicron on 20:13 - Dec 30 with 784 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Omicron on 20:11 - Dec 30 by Gwyn737 |
You can be immune to the symptoms but not immune to COVID. Is that right? |
Isn't that how the Vaccines are supposed to stop you getting very ill, by boosting your immune system?
Isn't it also why different people have different levels of illness in the first place?
From the Article on the Diamond Princess.
"Using the Diamond Princess data, a team reports in Eurosurveillance1 that by 20 February, 18% of all infected people on the ship had no symptoms. “That is a substantial number,” says co-author Gerardo Chowell" [Post edited 30 Dec 2021 20:16]
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| Omicron on 20:20 - Dec 30 with 779 views | Scotia |
| Omicron on 20:09 - Dec 30 by A_Fans_Dad |
I already have, you just don't accept it.
If there is no inate immunity how do you get asymptomatic people.
It is either because the PCR test is wrong and they do not have COVID.
Or the PCR test was right and they the immunity to prevent COVID making them ill.
All the data points to some people being immune to COVID, whether they are immune to all variants is not clear.
Whether you believe it or not is immaterial. |
But they were infected. So they weren't immune to infection were they?
Infections on the diamond Princess were included whether asymptomatic or not, or do they not count now?
Another attempt at diversion.
What you actually said was:-
"Why not read about it and then come back and tell us how without inate immunity all those old passengers and young crew weren't infected." [Post edited 30 Dec 2021 20:26]
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| Omicron on 20:52 - Dec 30 with 764 views | Gwyn737 |
| Omicron on 20:13 - Dec 30 by A_Fans_Dad |
Isn't that how the Vaccines are supposed to stop you getting very ill, by boosting your immune system?
Isn't it also why different people have different levels of illness in the first place?
From the Article on the Diamond Princess.
"Using the Diamond Princess data, a team reports in Eurosurveillance1 that by 20 February, 18% of all infected people on the ship had no symptoms. “That is a substantial number,” says co-author Gerardo Chowell" [Post edited 30 Dec 2021 20:16]
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I agree. It’s just you seemed to suggest you could be immune to COVID yet catch COVID. | | | |
| Omicron on 21:10 - Dec 30 with 755 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Omicron on 20:20 - Dec 30 by Scotia |
But they were infected. So they weren't immune to infection were they?
Infections on the diamond Princess were included whether asymptomatic or not, or do they not count now?
Another attempt at diversion.
What you actually said was:-
"Why not read about it and then come back and tell us how without inate immunity all those old passengers and young crew weren't infected." [Post edited 30 Dec 2021 20:26]
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Yes and you couldn't answer that simple question.
Just like you can't answer each of the others.
You seem to think that the only "immunity" that is possible is via Vaccine.
Which of course just boosts your inate immunity and still doesn't stop anyone getting COVID.
You appear to not understand what vaccines do. | | | |
| Omicron on 21:56 - Dec 30 with 735 views | Scotia |
| Omicron on 21:10 - Dec 30 by A_Fans_Dad |
Yes and you couldn't answer that simple question.
Just like you can't answer each of the others.
You seem to think that the only "immunity" that is possible is via Vaccine.
Which of course just boosts your inate immunity and still doesn't stop anyone getting COVID.
You appear to not understand what vaccines do. |
No you're wrong again.
And have clearly given up your original point and diverted to this, which you said the other day you didn't do?
Vaccines don't boost inate immunity at all. Inate immunity is non specific, vaccines produce a specific response to the spike protein of the virus. That has changed with omicron hence the problem with decreased efficacy.
The only way to get specific immunity is vaccines or infection.
I don't pretend to be an expert but you are just arrogant and stupid.
If you feel I haven't addressed any other questions, I may have missed them. Post them again. | | | |
| Omicron on 23:04 - Dec 30 with 721 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Omicron on 16:23 - Dec 30 by Scotia |
So that's what they were doing for a month was it, all partying together? Was this the kind of "cruise" where everyone was getting intimate with each other?
It's an insane comparison. Do you think the passenger who got on with Covid in Yokohama and sailed for five days to Hong Kong would have managed to infect 4000 other people in that time?
Read this article, and then pipe down.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00885-w
Once again you're spouting off about something you don't understand. At all.
Why do you think not everyone in a house catches covid?
In fact don't, please stop thinking. Especially about science. It is way out of your league.
I can't think of a question that you've posed that I haven't answered, you on the contrary are the expert in diversion.
I've been in Finland and away from the internet for a while. If i've missed any please let me know. |
The Chinese passenger on that ship would have come into contact with crew every day before realising he was ill. cruise ship crews (entertainments/housekeeping/waiting/engineering) are all cheek to jowl below decks and they all share cabins - a ripe breeding ground for a virus to spread. | |
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