| Public sector pay 09:10 - Dec 11 with 8662 views | raynor94 |
Government recommending 2.8% rise, with inflation running at 2.6 %.
Will be interesting to see what the pay review body say, but this looks like a collision course for the government |  |
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| Public sector pay on 23:24 - Dec 13 with 734 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 23:10 - Dec 13 by max936 |
Public sector wages are nothing to do with pensioners, Pensioners have paid their due's, but that's not good enough for some on this thread, disgusting.
Some on here want to spend 3 months in industry and I'd put money on some of them not lasting a week and will go back to sitting on their desks and comfy chairs, most of the pensioners that'll benefit from the triple lock are mostly from lowly paid manual work not all are skilled, some make it to retirement others don't for one reason or another I see those people through my working week.
Who's the next target the disabled I bet. Proper eye opener this thread fair do's. |
Well they are because they come out of the same pot.
Apparently junior dr's and others aren't worthy of their pay increase for some reason but pensioners, who've had a cumulative 20% increase over recent years are? I don't follow the logic. Who's worked where and done what is immaterial.
Pensioners deserve an increase, the state pension is too low but so do public sector workers. But what gives? Public services are knackered. Somebody has to pay.
Not the farmers, not the wealthy pensioners, not the bankers. Who? |  | | |
| Public sector pay on 09:23 - Dec 14 with 658 views | Gwyn737 |
| Public sector pay on 23:24 - Dec 13 by Scotia |
Well they are because they come out of the same pot.
Apparently junior dr's and others aren't worthy of their pay increase for some reason but pensioners, who've had a cumulative 20% increase over recent years are? I don't follow the logic. Who's worked where and done what is immaterial.
Pensioners deserve an increase, the state pension is too low but so do public sector workers. But what gives? Public services are knackered. Somebody has to pay.
Not the farmers, not the wealthy pensioners, not the bankers. Who? |
Absolutely agree that the state pension is far too low and it’s incredibly a sad that so many are on a breadline and they should be helped.
However, as an age group overall they hold a lot of the country’s wealth. As you say, who is going to pay?
Universal payments mean that as well as protecting the needy we’re giving money to the wealthy. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 09:39 - Dec 14 with 616 views | Whiterockin |
| Public sector pay on 23:24 - Dec 13 by Scotia |
Well they are because they come out of the same pot.
Apparently junior dr's and others aren't worthy of their pay increase for some reason but pensioners, who've had a cumulative 20% increase over recent years are? I don't follow the logic. Who's worked where and done what is immaterial.
Pensioners deserve an increase, the state pension is too low but so do public sector workers. But what gives? Public services are knackered. Somebody has to pay.
Not the farmers, not the wealthy pensioners, not the bankers. Who? |
Compare the pension percentage increase to that of the national minimum wage which is far higher. Although thoroughly deserved, it should be a more accurate comparison to pension inflation. |  | | |
| Public sector pay on 09:47 - Dec 14 with 600 views | raynor94 |
| Public sector pay on 23:24 - Dec 13 by Scotia |
Well they are because they come out of the same pot.
Apparently junior dr's and others aren't worthy of their pay increase for some reason but pensioners, who've had a cumulative 20% increase over recent years are? I don't follow the logic. Who's worked where and done what is immaterial.
Pensioners deserve an increase, the state pension is too low but so do public sector workers. But what gives? Public services are knackered. Somebody has to pay.
Not the farmers, not the wealthy pensioners, not the bankers. Who? |
Would you say your parents are wealthy pensioners? | |
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| Public sector pay on 09:51 - Dec 14 with 592 views | onehunglow |
| Public sector pay on 23:24 - Dec 13 by Scotia |
Well they are because they come out of the same pot.
Apparently junior dr's and others aren't worthy of their pay increase for some reason but pensioners, who've had a cumulative 20% increase over recent years are? I don't follow the logic. Who's worked where and done what is immaterial.
Pensioners deserve an increase, the state pension is too low but so do public sector workers. But what gives? Public services are knackered. Somebody has to pay.
Not the farmers, not the wealthy pensioners, not the bankers. Who? |
Wealthy pensioners ,as you put it,see more abuse that any other part of society.
These batards will pay for their Care Home too whilst the poor ones will not . | |
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| Public sector pay on 09:55 - Dec 14 with 566 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 09:47 - Dec 14 by raynor94 |
Would you say your parents are wealthy pensioners? |
They can afford to go without the WFA. Many can't and they should still get it but it shouldn't be universal.
They both have final salary pensions. They're a thing of the past. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 10:00 - Dec 14 with 544 views | Whiterockin |
| Public sector pay on 09:55 - Dec 14 by Scotia |
They can afford to go without the WFA. Many can't and they should still get it but it shouldn't be universal.
They both have final salary pensions. They're a thing of the past. |
I don't think anyone disagrees that the WFA should not be given to everyone, it's just that the bar has been set far to low. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 10:03 - Dec 14 with 528 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 09:39 - Dec 14 by Whiterockin |
Compare the pension percentage increase to that of the national minimum wage which is far higher. Although thoroughly deserved, it should be a more accurate comparison to pension inflation. |
Only this year, it's still a smaller increase than the state pension last year. Of course that living wage isn't paid by the state in most cases.
And the triple lock being linked to salary will see an associated increase too. | | | |
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| Public sector pay on 10:06 - Dec 14 with 526 views | Gwyn737 |
| Public sector pay on 09:51 - Dec 14 by onehunglow |
Wealthy pensioners ,as you put it,see more abuse that any other part of society.
These batards will pay for their Care Home too whilst the poor ones will not . |
I disagree.
It’s children who are the worst off IMO. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 10:13 - Dec 14 with 519 views | raynor94 |
| Public sector pay on 09:55 - Dec 14 by Scotia |
They can afford to go without the WFA. Many can't and they should still get it but it shouldn't be universal.
They both have final salary pensions. They're a thing of the past. |
I can afford to go without the wfa, and also I have a final salary pension, which I worked 42 years for.
But I and millions like me are not wealthy pensioners, who maybe have care home fees to look forward to.
Sorry but ageism seems to be alive and well throughout this thread | |
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| Public sector pay on 10:18 - Dec 14 with 493 views | onehunglow |
| Public sector pay on 10:06 - Dec 14 by Gwyn737 |
I disagree.
It’s children who are the worst off IMO. |
That’s fine by me | |
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| Public sector pay on 10:24 - Dec 14 with 487 views | Gwyn737 |
| Public sector pay on 10:13 - Dec 14 by raynor94 |
I can afford to go without the wfa, and also I have a final salary pension, which I worked 42 years for.
But I and millions like me are not wealthy pensioners, who maybe have care home fees to look forward to.
Sorry but ageism seems to be alive and well throughout this thread |
I don’t mean to come across in that way.
It’s more looking at how we level things up when we’re in such a hole.
Things have changed in that I get that the frustration of those who’ve done everything right and feel they’re not getting the benefit.
I’ve still got a few years till retirement and I can’t see the state being able to look after me. I’m concentrating on sorting myself out.
Its not just a financial things that have changed for younger people, it’s housing, the family unit, communities, final salary pensions, jobs for life, student loans etc.
I’m not ageist, I’ll just always push back against the idea that young people have never had it so good. I wouldn’t want to be aged 20 now for anything. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 10:50 - Dec 14 with 463 views | controversial_jack |
| Public sector pay on 10:13 - Dec 14 by raynor94 |
I can afford to go without the wfa, and also I have a final salary pension, which I worked 42 years for.
But I and millions like me are not wealthy pensioners, who maybe have care home fees to look forward to.
Sorry but ageism seems to be alive and well throughout this thread |
Having a good pension is of course desirable, but do the people working want to pay more taxes to fund it. There's no money tree, it has to be funded for by those in work. I know you don't like to hear this, but it is how the system works.
The countries that have better pensions also pay more towards it.A final salary pension is different, but they are gone now and have been replaced by inferior schemes. You and I have been very fortunate, this isn't the case now, despite ppl working as hard and long as we did. It's a different world now | | | |
| Public sector pay on 10:57 - Dec 14 with 461 views | Whiterockin |
| Public sector pay on 10:03 - Dec 14 by Scotia |
Only this year, it's still a smaller increase than the state pension last year. Of course that living wage isn't paid by the state in most cases.
And the triple lock being linked to salary will see an associated increase too. |
Minimum rate of pay increase on April 1st
2022 6.6%
2023 9.7%
2024 9.8%
2025 6.7%
State pension
2022 3.1%
2023 10.1%
2024 8.5%
2025 4.1%
History says you are wrong. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 11:01 - Dec 14 with 450 views | raynor94 |
| Public sector pay on 10:57 - Dec 14 by Whiterockin |
Minimum rate of pay increase on April 1st
2022 6.6%
2023 9.7%
2024 9.8%
2025 6.7%
State pension
2022 3.1%
2023 10.1%
2024 8.5%
2025 4.1%
History says you are wrong. |
I doubt we will ever see an increase in triple lock like 2023 and 2024 again
4.1% of £680 is certainly not a big deal | |
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| Public sector pay on 11:02 - Dec 14 with 440 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 10:50 - Dec 14 by controversial_jack |
Having a good pension is of course desirable, but do the people working want to pay more taxes to fund it. There's no money tree, it has to be funded for by those in work. I know you don't like to hear this, but it is how the system works.
The countries that have better pensions also pay more towards it.A final salary pension is different, but they are gone now and have been replaced by inferior schemes. You and I have been very fortunate, this isn't the case now, despite ppl working as hard and long as we did. It's a different world now |
Countries with better pensions also don't have a comparable NHS. We can't have it all | | | |
| Public sector pay on 11:04 - Dec 14 with 431 views | Whiterockin |
| Public sector pay on 11:01 - Dec 14 by raynor94 |
I doubt we will ever see an increase in triple lock like 2023 and 2024 again
4.1% of £680 is certainly not a big deal |
A state pension of less than 50% of someone on the minimum wage working 40 hours a week is not acceptable. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 11:05 - Dec 14 with 417 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 11:01 - Dec 14 by raynor94 |
I doubt we will ever see an increase in triple lock like 2023 and 2024 again
4.1% of £680 is certainly not a big deal |
But those increases are precisely the problem. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 11:12 - Dec 14 with 400 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 11:04 - Dec 14 by Whiterockin |
A state pension of less than 50% of someone on the minimum wage working 40 hours a week is not acceptable. |
In an ideal world I completely agree, but how do we pay for it and everything else, what gives? | | | |
| Public sector pay on 11:12 - Dec 14 with 400 views | Whiterockin |
| Public sector pay on 11:02 - Dec 14 by Scotia |
Countries with better pensions also don't have a comparable NHS. We can't have it all |
Many other countries in Europe have far better health services than this country.
Top up insurance in France to cover health care that is not covered by the state is €40 a month. In France you retire 6 years earlier and on top of the basic pension it is topped up depending on your previous earnings.
I would swap. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 11:22 - Dec 14 with 381 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 11:12 - Dec 14 by Whiterockin |
Many other countries in Europe have far better health services than this country.
Top up insurance in France to cover health care that is not covered by the state is €40 a month. In France you retire 6 years earlier and on top of the basic pension it is topped up depending on your previous earnings.
I would swap. |
I would too, but look at the state of France state finance. It's not affordable. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 11:25 - Dec 14 with 370 views | Whiterockin |
| Public sector pay on 11:22 - Dec 14 by Scotia |
I would too, but look at the state of France state finance. It's not affordable. |
Nothing ever is, but life goes on in countries. Possibly the French workers are far more militant and achieve their aims. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 11:46 - Dec 14 with 329 views | raynor94 |
| Public sector pay on 11:05 - Dec 14 by Scotia |
But those increases are precisely the problem. |
Let them eat cake | |
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| Public sector pay on 11:55 - Dec 14 with 306 views | Whiterockin |
| Public sector pay on 11:46 - Dec 14 by raynor94 |
Let them eat cake |
Some don't realise that one day they might be a pensioner. It's all well and good planning but sometimes things spoil your plans illness and redundancy as examples. I bet Some in Port Talbot currently have their plans in tatters and not necessarily those who worked in the steelworks. Pensioners with little more than the state pension need to be looked after. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 12:00 - Dec 14 with 290 views | Gwyn737 |
| Public sector pay on 11:04 - Dec 14 by Whiterockin |
A state pension of less than 50% of someone on the minimum wage working 40 hours a week is not acceptable. |
They’re both too low.
But that working person may well have a mortgage/rent to pay and dependants to provide for. | | | |
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