| Public sector pay 09:10 - Dec 11 with 8754 views | raynor94 |
Government recommending 2.8% rise, with inflation running at 2.6 %.
Will be interesting to see what the pay review body say, but this looks like a collision course for the government |  |
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| Public sector pay on 09:42 - Dec 11 with 1635 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
I wonder what the junior doctors and train drivers could possibly have done to get such favourable pay awards? |  |
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| Public sector pay on 09:57 - Dec 11 with 1620 views | Scotia |
The state pension will go up by 4.1% over the same period due to the triple lock.
That does seem unfair to me. |  | | |
| Public sector pay on 10:17 - Dec 11 with 1604 views | raynor94 |
| Public sector pay on 09:57 - Dec 11 by Scotia |
The state pension will go up by 4.1% over the same period due to the triple lock.
That does seem unfair to me. |
That doesn't surprise me at all, going on your past posting.
I'm still debating what I'm going to spend my £28 rise on, hang on my Council tax will rise, so will my water, not to mention energy.
Yes it's a grand old life being a pensioner | |
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| Public sector pay on 11:15 - Dec 11 with 1581 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
We seem to be blighted by badly conceived arguments these days. Some pensioners are multi millionaires some exist on the state pension alone. Some public sector workers get paid 100s of thousands of pounds, some get paid the minimum wage.
What forms a stronger argument is when inconsistencies arise in the same context.
So in another thread Angela Raynor says there are not enough houses in the UK and then when questioned about refugees she says there are plenty of houses in the UK, that's what should worry us when those in power put forward different arguments in the same context.
Should junior doctors get a 10x inflation increases and nurses an inflation only increase when the career path for a junior doctor takes them to pay bands in the order of £140K a year, with an average private income if £30K on top? | |
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| Public sector pay on 11:55 - Dec 11 with 1559 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 10:17 - Dec 11 by raynor94 |
That doesn't surprise me at all, going on your past posting.
I'm still debating what I'm going to spend my £28 rise on, hang on my Council tax will rise, so will my water, not to mention energy.
Yes it's a grand old life being a pensioner |
I'm only calling for parity.
A care worker who'll have to pay for bus fare, TV licence, full price to go anywhere, eye tests, etc getting a 40% lower raise than the people they are caring for is not acceptable. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 12:33 - Dec 11 with 1519 views | raynor94 |
| Public sector pay on 11:55 - Dec 11 by Scotia |
I'm only calling for parity.
A care worker who'll have to pay for bus fare, TV licence, full price to go anywhere, eye tests, etc getting a 40% lower raise than the people they are caring for is not acceptable. |
And most probably the person they are caring for has had to sell their home.
And pensioners have to pay full for a TV licence, I think it's over 85s are exempt | |
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| Public sector pay on 12:44 - Dec 11 with 1502 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 12:33 - Dec 11 by raynor94 |
And most probably the person they are caring for has had to sell their home.
And pensioners have to pay full for a TV licence, I think it's over 85s are exempt |
The person looking after them will never be able to afford to buy a home. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 12:53 - Dec 11 with 1493 views | oldtownjack |
| Public sector pay on 09:42 - Dec 11 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I wonder what the junior doctors and train drivers could possibly have done to get such favourable pay awards? |
There has still been a net decrease in public sector pay since 2010. | |
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| Public sector pay on 13:09 - Dec 11 with 1471 views | Whiterockin |
| Public sector pay on 11:55 - Dec 11 by Scotia |
I'm only calling for parity.
A care worker who'll have to pay for bus fare, TV licence, full price to go anywhere, eye tests, etc getting a 40% lower raise than the people they are caring for is not acceptable. |
They can always work an hour or two extra to boost their income. Pensioners get a flat rate. |  | | |
| Public sector pay on 13:27 - Dec 11 with 1443 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 13:09 - Dec 11 by Whiterockin |
They can always work an hour or two extra to boost their income. Pensioners get a flat rate. |
I don't think an extra hour or two would cut it. Salary to house price ratio nowadays is about x 9, in the 70's it was x 4. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 13:30 - Dec 11 with 1426 views | Whiterockin |
| Public sector pay on 13:27 - Dec 11 by Scotia |
I don't think an extra hour or two would cut it. Salary to house price ratio nowadays is about x 9, in the 70's it was x 4. |
Now you have changed the subject. You were saying the public sector increase compared to pensions us unfair. This has nothing to do with historical house price inflation. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 16:08 - Dec 11 with 1343 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Public sector pay on 09:57 - Dec 11 by Scotia |
The state pension will go up by 4.1% over the same period due to the triple lock.
That does seem unfair to me. |
The state pension is based on average earnings in September.
Pay awards are generally based on the monthly inflation rate at the time of annual review/negotiations. | |
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| Public sector pay on 16:11 - Dec 11 with 1327 views | controversial_jack |
| Public sector pay on 10:17 - Dec 11 by raynor94 |
That doesn't surprise me at all, going on your past posting.
I'm still debating what I'm going to spend my £28 rise on, hang on my Council tax will rise, so will my water, not to mention energy.
Yes it's a grand old life being a pensioner |
Don't forget, you are relying on those that are working to pay your pension rises. Should they pay more tax to keep you happy? | | | |
| Public sector pay on 16:11 - Dec 11 with 1333 views | raynor94 |
| Public sector pay on 12:44 - Dec 11 by Scotia |
The person looking after them will never be able to afford to buy a home. |
Why, if they are happy to start off in say a modest terraced house, the mortgage will most probably be less than the rent | |
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| Public sector pay on 16:13 - Dec 11 with 1328 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Public sector pay on 11:55 - Dec 11 by Scotia |
I'm only calling for parity.
A care worker who'll have to pay for bus fare, TV licence, full price to go anywhere, eye tests, etc getting a 40% lower raise than the people they are caring for is not acceptable. |
A care worker on minimum wages £23,000 a year.
State pension is £11942 a year a lot get even less than that. I am sure pensioners would welcome parity with Care Workers. | |
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| Public sector pay on 16:15 - Dec 11 with 1324 views | raynor94 |
| Public sector pay on 16:11 - Dec 11 by controversial_jack |
Don't forget, you are relying on those that are working to pay your pension rises. Should they pay more tax to keep you happy? |
Not that old pony from you again | |
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| Public sector pay on 16:19 - Dec 11 with 1312 views | controversial_jack |
| Public sector pay on 16:15 - Dec 11 by raynor94 |
Not that old pony from you again |
It is how the system works though. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 17:42 - Dec 11 with 1273 views | Gwyn737 |
| Public sector pay on 16:13 - Dec 11 by felixstowe_jack |
A care worker on minimum wages £23,000 a year.
State pension is £11942 a year a lot get even less than that. I am sure pensioners would welcome parity with Care Workers. |
80% of pensioners own their home outright. 80% have an additional pension to the state one.
Needs to be taken into account if we’re talking about parity. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 17:43 - Dec 11 with 1272 views | raynor94 |
| Public sector pay on 16:19 - Dec 11 by controversial_jack |
It is how the system works though. |
Fine, but I paid in for 42 years, so I don't feel any guilt | |
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| Public sector pay on 17:44 - Dec 11 with 1271 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 16:13 - Dec 11 by felixstowe_jack |
A care worker on minimum wages £23,000 a year.
State pension is £11942 a year a lot get even less than that. I am sure pensioners would welcome parity with Care Workers. |
On which they pay Ni, income tax and make full contributions to everything else. To watch the swans a care worker pays £32.50 an OAP £20. The care worker will pay to get there on a bus, the pensioner travels for free.
I'm only calling for fairness in increases. I don't think people being given a pay rise a rise of 4.1% by the government can moan about someone getting a rise of 2.8% from the same government. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 17:46 - Dec 11 with 1268 views | Scotia |
| Public sector pay on 13:30 - Dec 11 by Whiterockin |
Now you have changed the subject. You were saying the public sector increase compared to pensions us unfair. This has nothing to do with historical house price inflation. |
It was a reply to a cliam that a pensioner had to sell their home to pay for care.
Pensioners can work if they want too. Many do. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 18:03 - Dec 11 with 1241 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Public sector pay on 17:44 - Dec 11 by Scotia |
On which they pay Ni, income tax and make full contributions to everything else. To watch the swans a care worker pays £32.50 an OAP £20. The care worker will pay to get there on a bus, the pensioner travels for free.
I'm only calling for fairness in increases. I don't think people being given a pay rise a rise of 4.1% by the government can moan about someone getting a rise of 2.8% from the same government. |
Who is moaning? | |
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| Public sector pay on 18:20 - Dec 11 with 1214 views | Whiterockin |
| Public sector pay on 18:03 - Dec 11 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Who is moaning? |
I don't know of any pensioner moaning, except for the winter fuel allowance, that has left some on a very low income struggling to heat their homes. It's not only pensioners complaining about the unjust regarding this. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 18:24 - Dec 11 with 1200 views | raynor94 |
| Public sector pay on 17:42 - Dec 11 by Gwyn737 |
80% of pensioners own their home outright. 80% have an additional pension to the state one.
Needs to be taken into account if we’re talking about parity. |
Out of curiosity where do you get those figures from? | |
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| Public sector pay on 18:25 - Dec 11 with 1188 views | Kilkennyjack |
Fair pay for public sector workers is a reasonable ask. |  |
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