| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects 06:37 - May 16 with 15201 views | RonaldStump |
What is the real source of truth for the latest rise in cases in Glasgow?
6 people who have had the vaccine are currently being treated for complications in Glasgow.
What is the REAL truth?
Isn't it strange how vaccinated people are coming down with the CHY NA virus (Kung Flu) or one of it's variant double or triple mutant versions?
It's either the jab doesn't do what it's supposed to or it actually does?
With no long term studies on this new medicine miracle, but plenty coming out about the effects it's having on the immune system.
Why is there a need for healthy people to get jabbed when they have a 99.7% chance of surviving anyway. (more to the point why are we jabbing our kids?)
Far more questions than answers at the moment
cue Anti vaxxer abuse from the usual crowd! [Post edited 16 May 2021 6:57]
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 22:48 - May 18 with 1355 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 22:01 - May 18 by Professor |
I see NASA agree:
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/?_gl=1*8qiqik*_ga*akRGSWtSam1CTVUw
What drivel- they are untestable hypotheses as it stands. Have you ever formulated a hypothesis and tested it. Do you actually understand a fraction of what you write. You may talk the talk but you have never walked the walk have you? Published many papers or book chapters? Invites to speak at conferences. Work with industry and governments? I dabble in playing the guitar, but I am not so deluded to think I will headline Glastonbury or even a local club.
And source is important. You witter about data. But bad data leads to the wrong conclusions
I can’t recall ever seeing ‘welovetrump.com’ cited in any science. Because it is hokum.
BillyChong said it all.
OHL- happy for you to be special guest when I do Glaso next year. A bit of variety from my tortured garage and post punk misery. |
Why don't you actually read the Cook survey report that NASA quotes, go on I dare you.
If you won't I will print the many destructions of it for you to show you just how wrong you are.
It is complete and utter garbage and the fact that NASA quotes it should tell you a lot.
Even the Guardian agrees it is rubbish and that is really saying something.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2014/jun/06/97-consensus-global-war
Or how about somebody independent of climate.
https://www.econlib.org/archives/2014/03/16_not_97_agree.html [Post edited 18 May 2021 22:51]
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 22:59 - May 18 with 1344 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 22:01 - May 18 by Professor |
I see NASA agree:
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/?_gl=1*8qiqik*_ga*akRGSWtSam1CTVUw
What drivel- they are untestable hypotheses as it stands. Have you ever formulated a hypothesis and tested it. Do you actually understand a fraction of what you write. You may talk the talk but you have never walked the walk have you? Published many papers or book chapters? Invites to speak at conferences. Work with industry and governments? I dabble in playing the guitar, but I am not so deluded to think I will headline Glastonbury or even a local club.
And source is important. You witter about data. But bad data leads to the wrong conclusions
I can’t recall ever seeing ‘welovetrump.com’ cited in any science. Because it is hokum.
BillyChong said it all.
OHL- happy for you to be special guest when I do Glaso next year. A bit of variety from my tortured garage and post punk misery. |
"Do you actually understand a fraction of what you write. You may talk the talk but you have never walked the walk have you?"
I don't have to I am quoting those "contrarian" scientists that you say do not exist. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 23:15 - May 18 with 1318 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 22:59 - May 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
"Do you actually understand a fraction of what you write. You may talk the talk but you have never walked the walk have you?"
I don't have to I am quoting those "contrarian" scientists that you say do not exist. |
Again. You post contrarian websites and opinion. You never actually cite the hard science . Because you don’t read it do you.? I was referring to your petrol from rocks nonsense. There is not evidence. The problem with climate change we will only know after the event. It’s observed not hypothtesis testing. I am not willing to take the risk of far too many indicators of change. And these websites-how many are independent and how many are receiving the petroleum dollar? I notice you fawning over more anti-fax ‘evidence’. I am not a climate scientist but I know a few and their views are far removed from yours.
I am going now. Had a long and tough day. Including a trip into work in the last hour. I am sure you remember work. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 23:31 - May 18 with 1305 views | NotLoyal |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 23:15 - May 18 by Professor |
Again. You post contrarian websites and opinion. You never actually cite the hard science . Because you don’t read it do you.? I was referring to your petrol from rocks nonsense. There is not evidence. The problem with climate change we will only know after the event. It’s observed not hypothtesis testing. I am not willing to take the risk of far too many indicators of change. And these websites-how many are independent and how many are receiving the petroleum dollar? I notice you fawning over more anti-fax ‘evidence’. I am not a climate scientist but I know a few and their views are far removed from yours.
I am going now. Had a long and tough day. Including a trip into work in the last hour. I am sure you remember work. |
I'm with the Prof on this every time. |  |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 07:14 - May 19 with 1253 views | Scotia |
This isn't a climate change thread so this is my last post on this subject. That report is not "The Guardian" but Prof Ricahrd Tol responding to an article criticising his work. He is a controversial figure, also an economist, who I understand the US right often refer to as disputing anthropogenic climate change. He says in that report:-
"There is disagreement, of course, particularly on the extent to which humans contributed to the observed warming. This is part and parcel of a healthy scientific debate. There is widespread agreement, though, that climate change is real and human-made."
And then something that you REALLY need to pay attention to :-
"Science is a method. If the method is wrong, the results are worthless." [Post edited 19 May 2021 10:48]
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 09:08 - May 19 with 1238 views | felixstowe_jack |
Perhaps the NHS should charge all those who refused the offer of a vaccine and are hospitalised after they catch coronavirus due to their stupidity. | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 09:25 - May 19 with 1233 views | britferry |
110 direct flights have arrived from India since it was placed on the red list and then they have to queue up with everybody else for 3 hours to get thru customs and all the checks at the airport. | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 09:38 - May 19 with 1226 views | Scotia |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 09:25 - May 19 by britferry |
110 direct flights have arrived from India since it was placed on the red list and then they have to queue up with everybody else for 3 hours to get thru customs and all the checks at the airport. |
The queuing at the airport is worrying. That should have been sorted months ago.
That problem alone means it's going to be a struggle getting airports operating again.
I'm hoping those flights are just bringing brits home to stay in quarantine hotels , there are lot of British Indian families. Hopefully they stop pretty soon. | | | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:17 - May 19 with 1186 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 09:38 - May 19 by Scotia |
The queuing at the airport is worrying. That should have been sorted months ago.
That problem alone means it's going to be a struggle getting airports operating again.
I'm hoping those flights are just bringing brits home to stay in quarantine hotels , there are lot of British Indian families. Hopefully they stop pretty soon. |
Too late for Quarantine hotels, they have already mixed with other people by the sound of it.
They should have come in by a separate terminal and not allowed to queue with anybody else.
This Government and Airports have learnt nothing about how to handle pandemics. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:22 - May 19 with 1182 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:17 - May 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
Too late for Quarantine hotels, they have already mixed with other people by the sound of it.
They should have come in by a separate terminal and not allowed to queue with anybody else.
This Government and Airports have learnt nothing about how to handle pandemics. |
The mixing at airports is ridiculous.
But the reality is these variants get in whatever is done.
Australia is completely closed and still they have the Indian variant there.
All complete closure does is delay a bit, not stop it.
It seems from the latest info that this variant is not as bad as they’d feared. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:42 - May 19 with 1175 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 23:15 - May 18 by Professor |
Again. You post contrarian websites and opinion. You never actually cite the hard science . Because you don’t read it do you.? I was referring to your petrol from rocks nonsense. There is not evidence. The problem with climate change we will only know after the event. It’s observed not hypothtesis testing. I am not willing to take the risk of far too many indicators of change. And these websites-how many are independent and how many are receiving the petroleum dollar? I notice you fawning over more anti-fax ‘evidence’. I am not a climate scientist but I know a few and their views are far removed from yours.
I am going now. Had a long and tough day. Including a trip into work in the last hour. I am sure you remember work. |
I hope you are feeling less tired today and yes I do remember "work.
Especially as I did not give up working when I retired, for the last 18 years I have helped probably a 1000 people worldwide with their Access Database designs and solutions and Excel solutions, but I do it for free.
I have just spent about 6-10 hours a day 7 days a week for 9 weeks on a database for a nice young man in the USA and a few hours adding to the functionality of a database that I developed last year for a nice old man on Alderney that helps them run the Alderney Quay FM radio station.
Enough of the day to day life.
You stated that " The problem with climate change we will only know after the event. It’s observed not hypothtesis testing" which is patently wrong because with the latest Satellite technology it can be tested.
It has been tested and found wanting, first the prediction (just one of many made by the Climate Industry) that there will be a Tropospheric "hotspot" has been disproved it doesn't exist.
Second the basis of CO2 controlled H2O positive feedback has also been disproved there is no Positive feedback, it is actually slight Negative feedback.
So no ruanway global warming.
You have also not addressed the Scientific Method requirement of Prediction and testing, which if you insist I will post dozens of statements by many bodies stating it is a requirement wherever possible.
Because the Climate Industry have made many Predictions, just as they are making them now based on Computer Modelling and not real world data.
Past predictions have all failed, why do you have any faith in the future ones? | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 20:47 - May 20 with 1070 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 07:14 - May 19 by Scotia |
This isn't a climate change thread so this is my last post on this subject. That report is not "The Guardian" but Prof Ricahrd Tol responding to an article criticising his work. He is a controversial figure, also an economist, who I understand the US right often refer to as disputing anthropogenic climate change. He says in that report:-
"There is disagreement, of course, particularly on the extent to which humans contributed to the observed warming. This is part and parcel of a healthy scientific debate. There is widespread agreement, though, that climate change is real and human-made."
And then something that you REALLY need to pay attention to :-
"Science is a method. If the method is wrong, the results are worthless." [Post edited 19 May 2021 10:48]
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Oh so now the "source" is not the group that publish it, but the person presenting the data, just like the source Ilovetrump was not the data source, that was the CDC.
How quickly you lot change your tunes when it suits you.
Did he say the Cook report was bad science or not? | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 20:49 - May 20 with 1061 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:22 - May 19 by londonlisa2001 |
The mixing at airports is ridiculous.
But the reality is these variants get in whatever is done.
Australia is completely closed and still they have the Indian variant there.
All complete closure does is delay a bit, not stop it.
It seems from the latest info that this variant is not as bad as they’d feared. |
No, that is not all it does, it allows Track & Trace to work by keeping the volume low. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 21:08 - May 20 with 1053 views | Scotia |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 20:47 - May 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
Oh so now the "source" is not the group that publish it, but the person presenting the data, just like the source Ilovetrump was not the data source, that was the CDC.
How quickly you lot change your tunes when it suits you.
Did he say the Cook report was bad science or not? |
It wasn't an article published by the guardian it was a response directly written by the author and published IN the guardian. There was no spin put on it, it was his own words.
Ilovetrump.com used the CDC figures to claim the vaccine had killed people. The data recorded people who had died after receiving the vaccine for whatever reason. Baring in mind the first people to receive the vaccine were the extremely elderly is it a surprise some have since passed away?
Do you understand the difference?
The Cook report is a literature review, I would really call it "science". However, it made a lot more sense than the other link which claimed that just 1.6% of scientists believed humans were having an impact on the climate.
I didn't pay that much attention to it, but if that 1.6% claim is correct I know them all. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 23:19 - May 20 with 1034 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 21:08 - May 20 by Scotia |
It wasn't an article published by the guardian it was a response directly written by the author and published IN the guardian. There was no spin put on it, it was his own words.
Ilovetrump.com used the CDC figures to claim the vaccine had killed people. The data recorded people who had died after receiving the vaccine for whatever reason. Baring in mind the first people to receive the vaccine were the extremely elderly is it a surprise some have since passed away?
Do you understand the difference?
The Cook report is a literature review, I would really call it "science". However, it made a lot more sense than the other link which claimed that just 1.6% of scientists believed humans were having an impact on the climate.
I didn't pay that much attention to it, but if that 1.6% claim is correct I know them all. |
Except the people that have died directly after having the vaccine, were not all old ill people they were young fit people.
To put the current situation in to perspective look up the reaction in the US to the 1976 Swine flu vaccine, the other vaccine that was rushed through by the government. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 09:34 - May 21 with 997 views | Scotia |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 23:19 - May 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
Except the people that have died directly after having the vaccine, were not all old ill people they were young fit people.
To put the current situation in to perspective look up the reaction in the US to the 1976 Swine flu vaccine, the other vaccine that was rushed through by the government. |
So you agree that ilovetrump.com used the information from the CDC to promote false anti-vax propaganda?
The people that died after the vaccine are a tiny minority, comparable to those associated with other treatments. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 19:26 - May 21 with 951 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 09:34 - May 21 by Scotia |
So you agree that ilovetrump.com used the information from the CDC to promote false anti-vax propaganda?
The people that died after the vaccine are a tiny minority, comparable to those associated with other treatments. |
No, I do not agree, they were stating the CDC data.
I can tell that you either did not bother to look at the US 1976 Swine flu epidemic, or are deliberately ignoring it if you did.
You see back in 1976 when they introduced their new Vaccine without a full test programme it caused problems with 3 deaths and 50 cases of Guillain-Barré Syndrome.
There was massive public and media condemnation and the programme was stopped and the vaccines destroyed.
Let me repeat that, 3 deaths and 50 cases of Guillain-Barré Syndrome was enough to stop the whole vaccine programme.
Contrast that to the 4000 associated deaths, thousands of cases of immune system problems, similar numbers in Europe and no public outcry, no media outcry, they have just carried on.
That is a cause for concern for many doctors, scientists and public who are not anti-vaxxers just cautious, worried people. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 19:31 - May 21 with 947 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 09:08 - May 19 by felixstowe_jack |
Perhaps the NHS should charge all those who refused the offer of a vaccine and are hospitalised after they catch coronavirus due to their stupidity. |
I guess you would also include:
Smokers
People who drink more that the advised limits and develop liver problems
People who overeat and become obese
This will reduce demand on the NHS by about 50% |  |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 19:43 - May 21 with 942 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 19:31 - May 21 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I guess you would also include:
Smokers
People who drink more that the advised limits and develop liver problems
People who overeat and become obese
This will reduce demand on the NHS by about 50% |
Include people who get in fights, have accidents doing stupid dangerous things, anybody in accidents involving drugs or drink.
You are on to a winner here, I think we could get the costs down by at least 80%. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 20:26 - May 21 with 935 views | Scotia |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 19:26 - May 21 by A_Fans_Dad |
No, I do not agree, they were stating the CDC data.
I can tell that you either did not bother to look at the US 1976 Swine flu epidemic, or are deliberately ignoring it if you did.
You see back in 1976 when they introduced their new Vaccine without a full test programme it caused problems with 3 deaths and 50 cases of Guillain-Barré Syndrome.
There was massive public and media condemnation and the programme was stopped and the vaccines destroyed.
Let me repeat that, 3 deaths and 50 cases of Guillain-Barré Syndrome was enough to stop the whole vaccine programme.
Contrast that to the 4000 associated deaths, thousands of cases of immune system problems, similar numbers in Europe and no public outcry, no media outcry, they have just carried on.
That is a cause for concern for many doctors, scientists and public who are not anti-vaxxers just cautious, worried people. |
They weren't just stating CDC data they were making a flashy (and inaccurate) headline out of the perfectly reasonable statistics. It has sucked you in like that subtitled YouTube clip you posted and now seem to have ignored. Do you question anything you read on a subject you want to believe?
If it had been on ilovebiden.com you would be saying exactly the same thing I am. I don't want to get personal but you are incredibly gullible, you don't realise you are because you blindly believe the conspiracy and think that makes gullibility impossible. You consider yourself enlightened when the opposite is the case.
I haven't looked at the swine flu stuff, it was 45 years ago, this situation is entirely different.
There aren't 4000 associated deaths. 4000 old and ill people have died who have had the vaccine.
How many deaths do you think would be picked up if recording were the same after the flu vaccine? Does the flu vaccine kill them or is it the conditions that make them need the flu vaccine? [Post edited 21 May 2021 20:35]
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 20:30 - May 21 with 932 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 20:26 - May 21 by Scotia |
They weren't just stating CDC data they were making a flashy (and inaccurate) headline out of the perfectly reasonable statistics. It has sucked you in like that subtitled YouTube clip you posted and now seem to have ignored. Do you question anything you read on a subject you want to believe?
If it had been on ilovebiden.com you would be saying exactly the same thing I am. I don't want to get personal but you are incredibly gullible, you don't realise you are because you blindly believe the conspiracy and think that makes gullibility impossible. You consider yourself enlightened when the opposite is the case.
I haven't looked at the swine flu stuff, it was 45 years ago, this situation is entirely different.
There aren't 4000 associated deaths. 4000 old and ill people have died who have had the vaccine.
How many deaths do you think would be picked up if recording were the same after the flu vaccine? Does the flu vaccine kill them or is it the conditions that make them need the flu vaccine? [Post edited 21 May 2021 20:35]
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You repeat your previous lie, they are not 4000 old, ill people, many are from every age group above age 12 and fit and healthy. You are as usual guessing without looking at data.
I did not defend the lady's video, she got it wrong and then corrected it, what more can you say? | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 20:35 - May 21 with 930 views | Gwyn737 |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 20:26 - May 21 by Scotia |
They weren't just stating CDC data they were making a flashy (and inaccurate) headline out of the perfectly reasonable statistics. It has sucked you in like that subtitled YouTube clip you posted and now seem to have ignored. Do you question anything you read on a subject you want to believe?
If it had been on ilovebiden.com you would be saying exactly the same thing I am. I don't want to get personal but you are incredibly gullible, you don't realise you are because you blindly believe the conspiracy and think that makes gullibility impossible. You consider yourself enlightened when the opposite is the case.
I haven't looked at the swine flu stuff, it was 45 years ago, this situation is entirely different.
There aren't 4000 associated deaths. 4000 old and ill people have died who have had the vaccine.
How many deaths do you think would be picked up if recording were the same after the flu vaccine? Does the flu vaccine kill them or is it the conditions that make them need the flu vaccine? [Post edited 21 May 2021 20:35]
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My Nan had her first ever bag of Quavers and within 18 months she’d died. Coincidence? | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 20:52 - May 21 with 921 views | Scotia |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 20:30 - May 21 by A_Fans_Dad |
You repeat your previous lie, they are not 4000 old, ill people, many are from every age group above age 12 and fit and healthy. You are as usual guessing without looking at data.
I did not defend the lady's video, she got it wrong and then corrected it, what more can you say? |
OK. This is one of the first sentences on the ilovetrump.com link.
More people have died from the COVID-19 vaccine than from all other vaccines over the last 20 years… COMBINED.
Note the use of "from".
It states this is fact not speculation, however.
It is drawn from CDC data which actually states :-
They received reports that 0.0017% of people who had received the vaccine had died. Not because of the vaccine, but had died after receiving the vaccine. Of course the vast majority of those are elderly and sick. Who tend to be the people who die in any circumstance.
It goes on to state that a causational relationship has not been established despite extensive investigation.
From this ilovetrump.com got the headline :-
CDC Admits: More people have died from the COVID-19 vaccine than from all other vaccines over the last 20 years… COMBINED.
You believe that because you want to. It's clearly BS. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 21:00 - May 21 with 913 views | majorraglan |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 20:52 - May 21 by Scotia |
OK. This is one of the first sentences on the ilovetrump.com link.
More people have died from the COVID-19 vaccine than from all other vaccines over the last 20 years… COMBINED.
Note the use of "from".
It states this is fact not speculation, however.
It is drawn from CDC data which actually states :-
They received reports that 0.0017% of people who had received the vaccine had died. Not because of the vaccine, but had died after receiving the vaccine. Of course the vast majority of those are elderly and sick. Who tend to be the people who die in any circumstance.
It goes on to state that a causational relationship has not been established despite extensive investigation.
From this ilovetrump.com got the headline :-
CDC Admits: More people have died from the COVID-19 vaccine than from all other vaccines over the last 20 years… COMBINED.
You believe that because you want to. It's clearly BS. |
And 588,000 covid deaths have been reported to date including 656 today. Some people are radio rental. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 21:01 - May 21 with 913 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 20:30 - May 21 by A_Fans_Dad |
You repeat your previous lie, they are not 4000 old, ill people, many are from every age group above age 12 and fit and healthy. You are as usual guessing without looking at data.
I did not defend the lady's video, she got it wrong and then corrected it, what more can you say? |
He is right. You are wrong. End of. Stop this stupidity. I really don’t know if you are being obtuse l,
on a complete wind up or just monumentally stupid. These vaccines will save at least 20,000 live in the U.K. alone this year. There will be a few adverse events, but then more than 200 people die from paracetamol poisoning each year in Britain. You are absolutely delusional and have no grasp on how crucial vaccination is in returning some sense of normality.
And no Scotia is not ‘my mate’. Don’t know him from Adam . But he talks sense. You do not. | | | |
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