| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects 06:37 - May 16 with 14029 views | RonaldStump |
What is the real source of truth for the latest rise in cases in Glasgow?
6 people who have had the vaccine are currently being treated for complications in Glasgow.
What is the REAL truth?
Isn't it strange how vaccinated people are coming down with the CHY NA virus (Kung Flu) or one of it's variant double or triple mutant versions?
It's either the jab doesn't do what it's supposed to or it actually does?
With no long term studies on this new medicine miracle, but plenty coming out about the effects it's having on the immune system.
Why is there a need for healthy people to get jabbed when they have a 99.7% chance of surviving anyway. (more to the point why are we jabbing our kids?)
Far more questions than answers at the moment
cue Anti vaxxer abuse from the usual crowd! [Post edited 16 May 2021 6:57]
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:22 - May 17 with 759 views | Scotia |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:15 - May 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
"we've even had "evidence" from a clearly misrepresented article taking from welovetrump.com."
Totally wrong as usual, you really should do some research before making stupid statements.
If you had you would realise that there are many sources for that story.
But just to be completely clear why don't you acually go to the source, which is the US CDC here :-
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.htmlc
Quote "During this time, VAERS received 4,434 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine"
Do you see the number of 4,434 deaths.
Going to apologise? of course not. |
That link doesn't work, I did read the original report in the link to the trump fan boy site.
It said that there was no evidence of a causational relationship. So as I said yesterday out of the 100's of millions of predominantly elderly and vulnerable people that have been vaccinated some have died, coincidentally, after having the jab. Old and sick people do die unfortunately.
For example my Grandfather died after his flu vaccine some years ago. Did that kill him or the fact he had heart failure and was 90?
Going to read what you post? Of course not. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:25 - May 17 with 759 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:15 - May 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
"we've even had "evidence" from a clearly misrepresented article taking from welovetrump.com."
Totally wrong as usual, you really should do some research before making stupid statements.
If you had you would realise that there are many sources for that story.
But just to be completely clear why don't you acually go to the source, which is the US CDC here :-
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.htmlc
Quote "During this time, VAERS received 4,434 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine"
Do you see the number of 4,434 deaths.
Going to apologise? of course not. |
People who have died after the vaccine. Not caused by the vaccine you great pillock.
If the US has vaccinated 100 million people you would expect 4000+ deaths anyway-from any cause.
UK-35 Million vaccinated-deaths attributable to the vaccines around 10-20.
You can't see the big picture. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:26 - May 17 with 755 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 11:55 - May 17 by Scotia |
Me brainwashed, are you serious? I believe the science, you believe people on the internet, who could be anything but what they claim to be, seemingly without question.
There aren't unanswered questions and a lack of debate. The answers to the questions are the absolutely horrible reality of this awful situation - anti vaxers and covid deniers who are trying to hide from the situation are just making it worse. I don't like the answers anymore than you do but trying to convince myself people like Bill Gates is trying to take over the world and Dr Michael Yeadon knows more about an infectious disease than an actual Immunologist isn't going to make those answers wrong.
Regarding evidence. You have provided nothing, absolutely nothing to back up the rubbish you post. I call on you again - post some evidence for something, anything that you claim to be true.
Just to prove the deaths on the death certificate outnumber those within 28 days of a +ve test , look at this:-
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
Is every single Doctor in the world in on this conspiracy?
I've been professionally trained to probe, investigate and question since I left uni in 1999, people lie to me on a daily basis, I'm pretty good at spotting BS when I see it. Unfortunately that just leads back to my second paragraph. |
"I've been professionally trained to probe, investigate and question since I left uni in 1999, people lie to me on a daily basis, I'm pretty good at spotting BS when I see it."
That is the biggest joke I have ever seen on these forums.
You deserve an award for that one.
I was trained to do the same from 1969, so I have 20 years experience on you.
You believe the Science from Scientists who are paid to lie and can't even see it. Your BS meter has been turned off. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:40 - May 17 with 744 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:26 - May 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
"I've been professionally trained to probe, investigate and question since I left uni in 1999, people lie to me on a daily basis, I'm pretty good at spotting BS when I see it."
That is the biggest joke I have ever seen on these forums.
You deserve an award for that one.
I was trained to do the same from 1969, so I have 20 years experience on you.
You believe the Science from Scientists who are paid to lie and can't even see it. Your BS meter has been turned off. |
That is a disgrace and an insult to colleagues, including my team, who set up and ran testing and sequencing without financial reward. To those who have worked ceaselessly on solutions to this pandemic. Have found improvements to triage, treatment (much of which does not involved chemotherapy) and diagnostics. Have showed how SARS CoV2 causes COVID, allowed us to understand the epidemiology and make better and earlier interventions. Have developed and continue to develop vaccines. Are developing are therapeutics. Are saving lives. Some of the guys in Liverpool have worked for about 380 days with no more than one to two days off. 12 hour days-because this is so important. Those of us not directly involved are taking up their teaching and tutorial work.
And you say scientists lie.
left to you we would be scrabbling about with infective anti-parasitics
You should be ashamed. That is the most disgraceful post I have seen on here. You should be banned. As OHL said you are dangerous. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:47 - May 17 with 731 views | Scotia |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:26 - May 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
"I've been professionally trained to probe, investigate and question since I left uni in 1999, people lie to me on a daily basis, I'm pretty good at spotting BS when I see it."
That is the biggest joke I have ever seen on these forums.
You deserve an award for that one.
I was trained to do the same from 1969, so I have 20 years experience on you.
You believe the Science from Scientists who are paid to lie and can't even see it. Your BS meter has been turned off. |
That would be 30 years.
Apparently that was spent working in a factory?
On the other hand I don't believe scientists paid to lie to me every day. If they were believed I wouldn't have a job. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:04 - May 17 with 714 views | RonaldStump |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 11:55 - May 17 by Scotia |
Me brainwashed, are you serious? I believe the science, you believe people on the internet, who could be anything but what they claim to be, seemingly without question.
There aren't unanswered questions and a lack of debate. The answers to the questions are the absolutely horrible reality of this awful situation - anti vaxers and covid deniers who are trying to hide from the situation are just making it worse. I don't like the answers anymore than you do but trying to convince myself people like Bill Gates is trying to take over the world and Dr Michael Yeadon knows more about an infectious disease than an actual Immunologist isn't going to make those answers wrong.
Regarding evidence. You have provided nothing, absolutely nothing to back up the rubbish you post. I call on you again - post some evidence for something, anything that you claim to be true.
Just to prove the deaths on the death certificate outnumber those within 28 days of a +ve test , look at this:-
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
Is every single Doctor in the world in on this conspiracy?
I've been professionally trained to probe, investigate and question since I left uni in 1999, people lie to me on a daily basis, I'm pretty good at spotting BS when I see it. Unfortunately that just leads back to my second paragraph. |
Yes you are brainwashed by main stream media, you also keep banging on about the science. The same science being funded by the globalist elites.
Keep calling it, You have no answers yourself, at least no answers you can prove as absolute fact which is why you don't post any links.
Is every single Doctor in the world in on this conspiracy? Not all, NO. Only those that feel threatened against speaking out or are obeying orders from above.
I've been professionally trained to probe, investigate and question since I left uni in 1999, people lie to me on a daily basis. - Of course they do ...the government and MSM and yet you still can't see it. You might want to look into getting a refund. | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:17 - May 17 with 692 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 09:19 - May 17 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Well there are some things here I agree with and some I don't in recent posts.
1) Everyone has the right to choose what goes into their bodies, the alternative is that the state decides!!
2) No one knows about long term side effects, they can't it is impossible.
3) Some people will die after having a vaccine in the same way that they do after a positive test, correlation and causation and not the same.
4) There is a very small risk of death with the AZ Vaccine that is why it is being restricted in younger heathier people in many countries as they have no real risk of death from Covid. Everyone should be able to make their own risk decision. At my age risk of death is abouts 1 in 100 this year from all causes, risk from covid 1 in 7,000 taking in to consideration I am lucky and healthy, risk of death from vaccine about 1 in 500,000.
5) Overall, I prefer to live in a country that gave people the freedom to make decisions for themselves given independently sourced information. |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:23 - May 17 with 686 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:25 - May 17 by Professor |
People who have died after the vaccine. Not caused by the vaccine you great pillock.
If the US has vaccinated 100 million people you would expect 4000+ deaths anyway-from any cause.
UK-35 Million vaccinated-deaths attributable to the vaccines around 10-20.
You can't see the big picture. |
More verbal abuse prof.
And of course the same causal relatonship does not apply to every other vaccine death in the USA in the last 20 years does it?
Of course it does.
The whole point was the comparison with history. DOH. | | | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:25 - May 17 with 681 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:22 - May 17 by Scotia |
That link doesn't work, I did read the original report in the link to the trump fan boy site.
It said that there was no evidence of a causational relationship. So as I said yesterday out of the 100's of millions of predominantly elderly and vulnerable people that have been vaccinated some have died, coincidentally, after having the jab. Old and sick people do die unfortunately.
For example my Grandfather died after his flu vaccine some years ago. Did that kill him or the fact he had heart failure and was 90?
Going to read what you post? Of course not. |
Try this CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:25 - May 17 with 681 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:23 - May 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
More verbal abuse prof.
And of course the same causal relatonship does not apply to every other vaccine death in the USA in the last 20 years does it?
Of course it does.
The whole point was the comparison with history. DOH. |
You deserve it. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:30 - May 17 with 676 views | Scotia |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:04 - May 17 by RonaldStump |
Yes you are brainwashed by main stream media, you also keep banging on about the science. The same science being funded by the globalist elites.
Keep calling it, You have no answers yourself, at least no answers you can prove as absolute fact which is why you don't post any links.
Is every single Doctor in the world in on this conspiracy? Not all, NO. Only those that feel threatened against speaking out or are obeying orders from above.
I've been professionally trained to probe, investigate and question since I left uni in 1999, people lie to me on a daily basis. - Of course they do ...the government and MSM and yet you still can't see it. You might want to look into getting a refund. |
Any evidence? At all? Of anything?
I did post a link. [Post edited 17 May 2021 13:37]
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:31 - May 17 with 673 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:40 - May 17 by Professor |
That is a disgrace and an insult to colleagues, including my team, who set up and ran testing and sequencing without financial reward. To those who have worked ceaselessly on solutions to this pandemic. Have found improvements to triage, treatment (much of which does not involved chemotherapy) and diagnostics. Have showed how SARS CoV2 causes COVID, allowed us to understand the epidemiology and make better and earlier interventions. Have developed and continue to develop vaccines. Are developing are therapeutics. Are saving lives. Some of the guys in Liverpool have worked for about 380 days with no more than one to two days off. 12 hour days-because this is so important. Those of us not directly involved are taking up their teaching and tutorial work.
And you say scientists lie.
left to you we would be scrabbling about with infective anti-parasitics
You should be ashamed. That is the most disgraceful post I have seen on here. You should be banned. As OHL said you are dangerous. |
Where did I mention you or your team?
Feeling a bit sensitive today?
"who set up and ran testing and sequencing without financial reward"
But seeing as you raised the point, you and they do not get paid a good wage?
You do not get any grant money?
I have had many discussions about "science" with scotia which has nothing to do wth you or your work. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:33 - May 17 with 666 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:25 - May 17 by Professor |
You deserve it. |
Just because you "think" I deserve it is immaterial, the forum rules say no verbal abuse.
But it obviously doesn't apply to you as you are too important. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:34 - May 17 with 665 views | Scotia |
It says this, which is what I read yesterday:-
"A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines."
Yet Ilovetrump.com turns that in to headline implying over 4000 direct deaths from the vaccine and you believed it. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:36 - May 17 with 656 views | RonaldStump |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:25 - May 17 by Professor |
You deserve it. |
Not sulking anymore Prof? | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:40 - May 17 with 651 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:34 - May 17 by Scotia |
It says this, which is what I read yesterday:-
"A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines."
Yet Ilovetrump.com turns that in to headline implying over 4000 direct deaths from the vaccine and you believed it. |
What you didn't read was the VAERS database entries.
Death within 2 days from immediate adverse reaction to the Vaccine and you think there is no causal relationship?
OK.
You also miss the point, the point was that these Vaccines have more reported deaths than all other Vaccines combined over the last 20 years.
Those other Vaccines also would not have totally proven causal relationships. [Post edited 17 May 2021 13:42]
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:42 - May 17 with 647 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:31 - May 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
Where did I mention you or your team?
Feeling a bit sensitive today?
"who set up and ran testing and sequencing without financial reward"
But seeing as you raised the point, you and they do not get paid a good wage?
You do not get any grant money?
I have had many discussions about "science" with scotia which has nothing to do wth you or your work. |
No - you called scientists liars. Ironic that the only one shown to be lying was promoting HCQ. Your statement was a disgrace. I am aware of the personal and professional sacrifices many in science and health have made in the last 15 months. They should not be belittled by a fool on the internet. End of. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:44 - May 17 with 644 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:36 - May 17 by RonaldStump |
Not sulking anymore Prof? |
No, here as an independent scientist to refute your nonsense my friend. At least you do it with humour! | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:45 - May 17 with 644 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:42 - May 17 by Professor |
No - you called scientists liars. Ironic that the only one shown to be lying was promoting HCQ. Your statement was a disgrace. I am aware of the personal and professional sacrifices many in science and health have made in the last 15 months. They should not be belittled by a fool on the internet. End of. |
From the very man that has been calling Scientists and Doctors, liars sharks, con men and worse for the last 12 months.
Do you deny it?
I rest my case, a total hypocrite. [Post edited 17 May 2021 13:46]
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:50 - May 17 with 634 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:42 - May 17 by Professor |
No - you called scientists liars. Ironic that the only one shown to be lying was promoting HCQ. Your statement was a disgrace. I am aware of the personal and professional sacrifices many in science and health have made in the last 15 months. They should not be belittled by a fool on the internet. End of. |
Do you now deny that some scientists are liars?
Like the withdrawn Lancet study on HCQ based completely on fabricated data? | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:51 - May 17 with 633 views | Gwyn737 |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:45 - May 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
From the very man that has been calling Scientists and Doctors, liars sharks, con men and worse for the last 12 months.
Do you deny it?
I rest my case, a total hypocrite. [Post edited 17 May 2021 13:46]
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It's not Scientists and Doctors he's been calling worse, it's charlatans, shamans, quacks and profiteers. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:53 - May 17 with 628 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:51 - May 17 by Gwyn737 |
It's not Scientists and Doctors he's been calling worse, it's charlatans, shamans, quacks and profiteers. |
And you know this how?
They were Doctors and Scientists printing "Studies" he disagreed with.
ps thankyou for confirming he said it. [Post edited 17 May 2021 13:59]
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:55 - May 17 with 625 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:50 - May 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
Do you now deny that some scientists are liars?
Like the withdrawn Lancet study on HCQ based completely on fabricated data? |
Noooooo!!!!
All scientists are right all of the time...unless they contradict each other, in which case go with the science that most closely aligns with your own political views 
It is hard to believe that people this naive are grown men with families and careers sometimes it really is. | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:57 - May 17 with 621 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:50 - May 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
Do you now deny that some scientists are liars?
Like the withdrawn Lancet study on HCQ based completely on fabricated data? |
And these are the charlatans and bandwagoneers I called out from the start. Yes, there are liars as in every profession. But few. As I said a year ago there is a bandwagon to publish, and a lot more poor science has got through in this flurry. This is now being recognised and the quality and integrity are better. It’s a fault of the system and hard to blame some guy in India, Israel, Iceland or Iowa who has to publish to maintain his or her job. | | | |
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