| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp 08:51 - Sep 22 with 10508 views | Andy1300 |
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| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 19:38 - Sep 23 with 1316 views | Catullus |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 19:34 - Sep 23 by Neath_Jack |
Point of order, they are asylum seekers, not illegal immigrants.
The slight difference in terminology, makes a huge difference. |
Accepted, they are asylum seekers. The rest stands. |  |
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| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 21:05 - Sep 23 with 1276 views | Flashberryjack |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 19:38 - Sep 23 by Catullus |
Accepted, they are asylum seekers. The rest stands. |
I would have thought, if a person enters another country illegally, that would automatically make them "Illegal immigrants" |  |
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| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 21:22 - Sep 23 with 1255 views | Highjack |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 18:58 - Sep 23 by Kilkennyjack |
Well if you force a quarter of the world to Learn English, then guess where they will want to go for a better life ?
What goes around, comes around ... |
They don’t speak English in any of these countries.  |  |
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| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 22:02 - Sep 23 with 1235 views | builthjack |
We had the Jews. The West Indians. The Indians. The Pakistanis. The Chinese. The Eastern Europeans.Probably a few others. The world is a small place now, so people will keep arriving, and people will depart our shores. So be it. |  |
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| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 22:29 - Sep 23 with 1217 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 21:22 - Sep 23 by Highjack |
They don’t speak English in any of these countries. |
Thats strange.
Its the business language of the world. |  |
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| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 11:03 - Sep 24 with 1153 views | Catullus |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 21:05 - Sep 23 by Flashberryjack |
I would have thought, if a person enters another country illegally, that would automatically make them "Illegal immigrants" |
Officially they are asylum seekers, that's what the government are calling them. If they do a runner from this camp, then they'll be illegals! | |
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| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 13:27 - Sep 24 with 1130 views | Andy1300 |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 11:03 - Sep 24 by Catullus |
Officially they are asylum seekers, that's what the government are calling them. If they do a runner from this camp, then they'll be illegals! |
No, they are and always will be illegal immigrants, many of whom have failed in seeking asylum in Europe | |
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| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 13:36 - Sep 24 with 1125 views | Highjack |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 13:27 - Sep 24 by Andy1300 |
No, they are and always will be illegal immigrants, many of whom have failed in seeking asylum in Europe |
They’ve also used illegal means to get here, spending a lot of money funding the services of criminal gangs and international people smugglers. | |
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| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 13:41 - Sep 24 with 1124 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 21:46 - Sep 22 by felixstowe_jack |
No doubt they were helped along the way by the French Navy who towed them halfway across the channel then abandoned them before call the UK coastguard. |
Why not? After all they are dealing with a country that is threatening a 'no deal' arrangement with them.
Two can play that game. No deal with France? "Pierre arrange the boats here come 5000 more."
Migrants will become a political play thing. Give me the money or I open the gates. Its called the 'Erdogan gambit'. |  |
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| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 14:06 - Sep 24 with 1107 views | Groo |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 11:48 - Sep 23 by controversial_jack |
They have to do that.First law of the sea is to ensure everyone is safe.No seaman would do otherwise |
So its safer to 'help' the boat travel 75% of the way than to turn them round and travel 25% of the journey.
Maybe safer to get them off the boat and arrest the ones sailing it. |  |
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| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 14:07 - Sep 24 with 1104 views | Highjack |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 13:41 - Sep 24 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Why not? After all they are dealing with a country that is threatening a 'no deal' arrangement with them.
Two can play that game. No deal with France? "Pierre arrange the boats here come 5000 more."
Migrants will become a political play thing. Give me the money or I open the gates. Its called the 'Erdogan gambit'. |
But we are always told that migration is fantastic, they are all doctors and neurosurgeons and they benefit the economy massively, so why aren’t France trying to do everything they can to hold on to their considerable skills themselves? | |
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| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 14:12 - Sep 24 with 1101 views | controversial_jack |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 14:06 - Sep 24 by Groo |
So its safer to 'help' the boat travel 75% of the way than to turn them round and travel 25% of the journey.
Maybe safer to get them off the boat and arrest the ones sailing it. |
As they had already set off from France to England, and they were in France illegally too, i guess so.
People seem to think these are the obligation of France, but France has no more obligation to them than we have.
They come here to seek asylum , and it's perfectly legal to do so.If it's refused then they have to go back, but not to France as France doesn't want them either | | | |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 14:15 - Sep 24 with 1100 views | Groo |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 11:03 - Sep 24 by Catullus |
Officially they are asylum seekers, that's what the government are calling them. If they do a runner from this camp, then they'll be illegals! |
Illegal immigrants are the ones who sneak into a Country and lives there without becoming official. Assylum seekers are people who get into a Country legally or illegally who imediately requests assylum.
The assylum seekers are a mixture, its sorting these out as an issue. Some a genuine refugees escaping war and some are from a country where their beliefs make them targets and their lives are in danger, these ones need help assistance.
The rest are economic migrants, escaping poor countries with little prospect. I'm sure we all understand their desire to improve themselves, Countries cannot take in endless economic migrants.
Amongst all these are the odd undesirable elements, who will look to cause harm in the Country.
A big issue for me with the refugees is that they have crossed numerous 'safe' countries and spent a lot of money to get to Britain.
The issue is an international one and it should be handled internationally, the problem is the UN is useless.
The refugees should not travel across Europe, there should be an organised method to handle them, to distribute them fairly to safe countries, with all countries taking part of the load. | |
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| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 14:25 - Sep 24 with 1091 views | Catullus |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 14:15 - Sep 24 by Groo |
Illegal immigrants are the ones who sneak into a Country and lives there without becoming official. Assylum seekers are people who get into a Country legally or illegally who imediately requests assylum.
The assylum seekers are a mixture, its sorting these out as an issue. Some a genuine refugees escaping war and some are from a country where their beliefs make them targets and their lives are in danger, these ones need help assistance.
The rest are economic migrants, escaping poor countries with little prospect. I'm sure we all understand their desire to improve themselves, Countries cannot take in endless economic migrants.
Amongst all these are the odd undesirable elements, who will look to cause harm in the Country.
A big issue for me with the refugees is that they have crossed numerous 'safe' countries and spent a lot of money to get to Britain.
The issue is an international one and it should be handled internationally, the problem is the UN is useless.
The refugees should not travel across Europe, there should be an organised method to handle them, to distribute them fairly to safe countries, with all countries taking part of the load. |
I know all that but still, they are human beings and deserve fair and respectful treatment, until they don't!! If you catch my drift?
My position has been that we should stop ripping these other countries apart and making it so that many young people give up and head west to the lands of milk and honey, which, all to often are nowhere near that misguided perception.
Asylum seekers, illegal immigrants or refugess, their home country is usually in a crap state (for many reasons incuding western interference) so maybe it's time we learned our lessons? Otherwise millions of people will continue trying to find somewhere better to live, legally or otherwise! | |
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| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 14:29 - Sep 24 with 1089 views | Highjack |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 14:12 - Sep 24 by controversial_jack |
As they had already set off from France to England, and they were in France illegally too, i guess so.
People seem to think these are the obligation of France, but France has no more obligation to them than we have.
They come here to seek asylum , and it's perfectly legal to do so.If it's refused then they have to go back, but not to France as France doesn't want them either |
It is not perfectly legal to employ the services of people traffickers. | |
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| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 14:29 - Sep 24 with 1089 views | Groo |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 14:25 - Sep 24 by Catullus |
I know all that but still, they are human beings and deserve fair and respectful treatment, until they don't!! If you catch my drift?
My position has been that we should stop ripping these other countries apart and making it so that many young people give up and head west to the lands of milk and honey, which, all to often are nowhere near that misguided perception.
Asylum seekers, illegal immigrants or refugess, their home country is usually in a crap state (for many reasons incuding western interference) so maybe it's time we learned our lessons? Otherwise millions of people will continue trying to find somewhere better to live, legally or otherwise! |
Its going to take years and will be complex but I agree with what you say.
The long term solution is to help their home countries improve enough so they won't want to leave or even return and do this without interfering with their sovereinty.
Unfortunately most of the Western World are greedy and don;t do anything without a big financial benefit. | |
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| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 14:31 - Sep 24 with 1086 views | controversial_jack |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 14:15 - Sep 24 by Groo |
Illegal immigrants are the ones who sneak into a Country and lives there without becoming official. Assylum seekers are people who get into a Country legally or illegally who imediately requests assylum.
The assylum seekers are a mixture, its sorting these out as an issue. Some a genuine refugees escaping war and some are from a country where their beliefs make them targets and their lives are in danger, these ones need help assistance.
The rest are economic migrants, escaping poor countries with little prospect. I'm sure we all understand their desire to improve themselves, Countries cannot take in endless economic migrants.
Amongst all these are the odd undesirable elements, who will look to cause harm in the Country.
A big issue for me with the refugees is that they have crossed numerous 'safe' countries and spent a lot of money to get to Britain.
The issue is an international one and it should be handled internationally, the problem is the UN is useless.
The refugees should not travel across Europe, there should be an organised method to handle them, to distribute them fairly to safe countries, with all countries taking part of the load. |
We only get a tiny proportion who come here compared to other countries in the middle east and in Europe.
Why they come here i don't know. Our benefit system is no better than many in Europe.That's assuming they come here for benefits , when i fact they want to work and find new lives.I can only assume they have family or friends hear and speak English | | | |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 15:38 - Sep 24 with 1063 views | raynor94 |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 14:15 - Sep 24 by Groo |
Illegal immigrants are the ones who sneak into a Country and lives there without becoming official. Assylum seekers are people who get into a Country legally or illegally who imediately requests assylum.
The assylum seekers are a mixture, its sorting these out as an issue. Some a genuine refugees escaping war and some are from a country where their beliefs make them targets and their lives are in danger, these ones need help assistance.
The rest are economic migrants, escaping poor countries with little prospect. I'm sure we all understand their desire to improve themselves, Countries cannot take in endless economic migrants.
Amongst all these are the odd undesirable elements, who will look to cause harm in the Country.
A big issue for me with the refugees is that they have crossed numerous 'safe' countries and spent a lot of money to get to Britain.
The issue is an international one and it should be handled internationally, the problem is the UN is useless.
The refugees should not travel across Europe, there should be an organised method to handle them, to distribute them fairly to safe countries, with all countries taking part of the load. |
Superb post! |  |
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| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 15:59 - Sep 24 with 1050 views | trampie |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 14:15 - Sep 24 by Groo |
Illegal immigrants are the ones who sneak into a Country and lives there without becoming official. Assylum seekers are people who get into a Country legally or illegally who imediately requests assylum.
The assylum seekers are a mixture, its sorting these out as an issue. Some a genuine refugees escaping war and some are from a country where their beliefs make them targets and their lives are in danger, these ones need help assistance.
The rest are economic migrants, escaping poor countries with little prospect. I'm sure we all understand their desire to improve themselves, Countries cannot take in endless economic migrants.
Amongst all these are the odd undesirable elements, who will look to cause harm in the Country.
A big issue for me with the refugees is that they have crossed numerous 'safe' countries and spent a lot of money to get to Britain.
The issue is an international one and it should be handled internationally, the problem is the UN is useless.
The refugees should not travel across Europe, there should be an organised method to handle them, to distribute them fairly to safe countries, with all countries taking part of the load. |
Apparently the UK doesn't take in anywhere near its fair share (you might be interested to know apparently Canada takes in way more than its fair share). |  |
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| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 16:01 - Sep 24 with 1048 views | Humpty |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 14:15 - Sep 24 by Groo |
Illegal immigrants are the ones who sneak into a Country and lives there without becoming official. Assylum seekers are people who get into a Country legally or illegally who imediately requests assylum.
The assylum seekers are a mixture, its sorting these out as an issue. Some a genuine refugees escaping war and some are from a country where their beliefs make them targets and their lives are in danger, these ones need help assistance.
The rest are economic migrants, escaping poor countries with little prospect. I'm sure we all understand their desire to improve themselves, Countries cannot take in endless economic migrants.
Amongst all these are the odd undesirable elements, who will look to cause harm in the Country.
A big issue for me with the refugees is that they have crossed numerous 'safe' countries and spent a lot of money to get to Britain.
The issue is an international one and it should be handled internationally, the problem is the UN is useless.
The refugees should not travel across Europe, there should be an organised method to handle them, to distribute them fairly to safe countries, with all countries taking part of the load. |
Hard to argue with any of that in fairness. |  | | |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 16:27 - Sep 24 with 1042 views | Gwyn737 |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 14:15 - Sep 24 by Groo |
Illegal immigrants are the ones who sneak into a Country and lives there without becoming official. Assylum seekers are people who get into a Country legally or illegally who imediately requests assylum.
The assylum seekers are a mixture, its sorting these out as an issue. Some a genuine refugees escaping war and some are from a country where their beliefs make them targets and their lives are in danger, these ones need help assistance.
The rest are economic migrants, escaping poor countries with little prospect. I'm sure we all understand their desire to improve themselves, Countries cannot take in endless economic migrants.
Amongst all these are the odd undesirable elements, who will look to cause harm in the Country.
A big issue for me with the refugees is that they have crossed numerous 'safe' countries and spent a lot of money to get to Britain.
The issue is an international one and it should be handled internationally, the problem is the UN is useless.
The refugees should not travel across Europe, there should be an organised method to handle them, to distribute them fairly to safe countries, with all countries taking part of the load. |
Really well explained.
If your personal definition strays from this one, then it's your definition not THE definition.
As Trampie says, taking our fair share would see numbers rise and not fall. | | | |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 16:43 - Sep 24 with 1031 views | Andy1300 |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 14:29 - Sep 24 by Groo |
Its going to take years and will be complex but I agree with what you say.
The long term solution is to help their home countries improve enough so they won't want to leave or even return and do this without interfering with their sovereinty.
Unfortunately most of the Western World are greedy and don;t do anything without a big financial benefit. |
Perhaps they could stay and help to make their country safe and great etc etc | |
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| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 16:45 - Sep 24 with 1027 views | jackal |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 15:59 - Sep 24 by trampie |
Apparently the UK doesn't take in anywhere near its fair share (you might be interested to know apparently Canada takes in way more than its fair share). |
Canada is large sparsely populated country. .
We're a small country with a shortage of housing, packed schools and an NHS that's in meltdown. |  | | |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 16:55 - Sep 24 with 1015 views | trampie |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 16:45 - Sep 24 by jackal |
Canada is large sparsely populated country. .
We're a small country with a shortage of housing, packed schools and an NHS that's in meltdown. |
Apparently that is after weighing everything up. | |
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| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 22:13 - Sep 24 with 962 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Illegal immigrants moved to Penally army camp on 14:15 - Sep 24 by Groo |
Illegal immigrants are the ones who sneak into a Country and lives there without becoming official. Assylum seekers are people who get into a Country legally or illegally who imediately requests assylum.
The assylum seekers are a mixture, its sorting these out as an issue. Some a genuine refugees escaping war and some are from a country where their beliefs make them targets and their lives are in danger, these ones need help assistance.
The rest are economic migrants, escaping poor countries with little prospect. I'm sure we all understand their desire to improve themselves, Countries cannot take in endless economic migrants.
Amongst all these are the odd undesirable elements, who will look to cause harm in the Country.
A big issue for me with the refugees is that they have crossed numerous 'safe' countries and spent a lot of money to get to Britain.
The issue is an international one and it should be handled internationally, the problem is the UN is useless.
The refugees should not travel across Europe, there should be an organised method to handle them, to distribute them fairly to safe countries, with all countries taking part of the load. |
The closer countries maybe dont have the funds to look after all the displaced.
The richer nations could fix that. | |
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