| Blair on Brexit.Incredible 09:50 - Feb 17 with 11596 views | perchrockjack |
"Remainers should rise up"
Chwarae teg ,mun
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 08:47 - Feb 18 with 1305 views | jojaca |
He is the last batsman remain have left, but remain need 400 runs to win with one wicket to spare. |  |
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 08:54 - Feb 18 with 1299 views | Private_Partz |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 19:12 - Feb 17 by Dracan66 |
I'm open to debate on this but attacking the Tories for pushing through Brexit when the majority of British people voted for it smacks of sour grapes. Whether your labour, Tory or aligned to any other party we all want an open and honest debate in formulating the best Brexit plan for the British people in accordance with a realistic timeline. |
Brexit came about because Cameron was trying to keep his party together and Thereby keep his political career on track. Boris Johnson was hoping to challenge for the leadership hence he joined Gove and the minority of Brexiteers in his party.
Something as massive as this should have been a majority vote in a Government. The only political party advocating it was UKIP. Had they been in government as a result of a General Election I would have been just as disappointed but would have accepted the vote. The truth was UKIP came nowhere near Government.
This was a a referendum concocted for entirely the wrong reasons and a debate built on lies. Just remember how Cameron Gove and Johnson all run for the hills when this entirely unplanned result occurred.
No sour grapes here just deep concern for my children and granchildren's future. |  |
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 08:59 - Feb 18 with 1297 views | Private_Partz |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 19:09 - Feb 17 by Highjack |
Ironic really that Blair was probably the one who played the biggest part in sowing the seeds of Brexit in the first place. |
Are you saying the Iraq war encouraged Brexit?
The EU normally tries to feign back the UK and America's feet first approach.
Having said that it would not surprise me if this was one of the many flawed reason people made a protest vote in the referendum.
The problem is if you add up all these misguided votes, UKIP and racists then took this out of the voting equation and Brexit would never have happened. | |
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 09:05 - Feb 18 with 1292 views | Private_Partz |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 19:41 - Feb 17 by BigPhilG |
Blair is an arrogant fool. I know people who voted to remain and others who vote to leave. I don't know anyone who didn't know what they voted for or change their minds either from either side. He's probably only interested in lining his own pockets the corrupt greedy little sod |
Many knew what they were voting against. Trouble was much of it had anything to do with the EU. Just look at the press coverage of those that voted out and their reasons for doing so.
Granted many wanted sovereignty at all costs and no more immigration. You extract the misguided votes though from one of the closest votes possible and Brexit would never have happened. | |
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 09:15 - Feb 18 with 1277 views | jojaca |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 09:05 - Feb 18 by Private_Partz |
Many knew what they were voting against. Trouble was much of it had anything to do with the EU. Just look at the press coverage of those that voted out and their reasons for doing so.
Granted many wanted sovereignty at all costs and no more immigration. You extract the misguided votes though from one of the closest votes possible and Brexit would never have happened. |
Are you having lunch with Gina Miller and Tony Blair today? | |
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 09:20 - Feb 18 with 1272 views | Dr_Winston |
You can argue about why the referendum was held but ultimately only one single fact matters. The first time the UK electorate was offered the chance to exit the EU they siezed it, despite dire warnings of the economic armageddon that would immediately follow any Brexit vote. Warnings that turned out to be, shall we say, not entirely accurate.
Simple fact is nobody really knows what's going to happen in the long term and anyone that claims they do is deluded or lying. It could be a disaster, or the UK could thrive post Brexit and other nations will follow our example. Only time will tell. |  |
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 09:21 - Feb 18 with 1271 views | Private_Partz |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 09:15 - Feb 18 by jojaca |
Are you having lunch with Gina Miller and Tony Blair today? |
Would not mind Gina but Blair can do one. No gooseberries. ;-) | |
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 09:29 - Feb 18 with 1256 views | Lohengrin |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 21:57 - Feb 17 by trampie |
Blair is a Brit Nat Red Tory, he was more of a Tory than Mrs Thatcher look at the sad state the country is in as a legacy and look at all the dead in the Middle East including our own soldiers and the associated problem as another legacy.
As a socialist I will never understand why people voted for Thatcher and Blair, I wonder if the people that voted for Thatcher and Blair now regret it ? |
I wonder if the people of Hungary or eastern Germany regret the passing of your brand of socialism? |  |
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 09:30 - Feb 18 with 1254 views | Private_Partz |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 09:20 - Feb 18 by Dr_Winston |
You can argue about why the referendum was held but ultimately only one single fact matters. The first time the UK electorate was offered the chance to exit the EU they siezed it, despite dire warnings of the economic armageddon that would immediately follow any Brexit vote. Warnings that turned out to be, shall we say, not entirely accurate.
Simple fact is nobody really knows what's going to happen in the long term and anyone that claims they do is deluded or lying. It could be a disaster, or the UK could thrive post Brexit and other nations will follow our example. Only time will tell. |
I think the warnings were for WHEN it happened. Granted some over egged the timing.
It has already started. The pound is falling. Financial institutions preparing to pack up and leave the city. Concerns over jobs at Airbus and Port Talbot. A recognised 60bn extra deficit just to prop up the economy and so it goes on. Those wishing to leave already had a voting opportunity prior the referendum, namely UKIP. Also before anyone says they are a basket case party we are about to get EXACTLY what they stood for if May has her way. | |
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 09:54 - Feb 18 with 1239 views | sherpajacob |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 08:47 - Feb 18 by jojaca |
He is the last batsman remain have left, but remain need 400 runs to win with one wicket to spare. |
If all Blair has to do is face the bowling of May, IDS and Farage, and Corbyn my money would be on Tony.
The equivalent of Tendulkar facing Pennard school under 8s |  |
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 09:59 - Feb 18 with 1232 views | Lohengrin |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 09:54 - Feb 18 by sherpajacob |
If all Blair has to do is face the bowling of May, IDS and Farage, and Corbyn my money would be on Tony.
The equivalent of Tendulkar facing Pennard school under 8s |
By rights he ought to be facing the hangman's noose on a charge of high treason. | |
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 11:52 - Feb 18 with 1183 views | rock1n |
Well done Mr Blair, I don't believe because of Iraq he should not be respected when making an important point he won 3 general elections for goodness sake and I'm sure many bitching on here voted for him.
I think he's an excellent front man for Open Britain of which I urge all those pro remain people to join. He is a brilliant speaker, arguably the best of his generation and will be able to get cross party support as he could realistically have led both tories and lib dems.
We are tip toeing towards disaster and this can be largely attributed to incoherent opposition and cowardice. I've mentioned it before remainers are just to bloody nice, they need to get nasty and stop being bullied - Corbyn the most useless leader since the dawn of time couldn't hold the Gov to Account if his life depended on it.
We shouldn't bend down and take it up the arse, it has to be scrutinised to the finest detail - this could be an even worse foreign policy disaster than the Iraq War and people are willing to put the whole Country on a roulette a table giving unprecedented power to hard right faction in the tories/ukip. It's like people are in a daze and haven't woken up yet I'm on the right and I'm fighting this yet those who traditionally vote labour are happy for it to be pushed through without barely a hint of opposition.
Strange times [Post edited 18 Feb 2017 11:54]
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 12:51 - Feb 18 with 1157 views | johnlangy |
I wonder if Ellesmere Port and Luton voted leave.
If they were I wonder what any leave voters who work for GM are thinking now bearing in mind the possibility of the Vauxhall/Opel brands being taken over by a french car maker. They could very well be thinking 'oh sh&t, what have I done'.
And I wonder how many times a similar scenario will be repeated over the next two years. | | | |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 13:08 - Feb 18 with 1141 views | SnakePlissken |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 09:59 - Feb 18 by Lohengrin |
By rights he ought to be facing the hangman's noose on a charge of high treason. |
Should hand him over to Isis as a peace offering | | | |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 13:12 - Feb 18 with 1134 views | perchrockjack |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 08:54 - Feb 18 by Private_Partz |
Brexit came about because Cameron was trying to keep his party together and Thereby keep his political career on track. Boris Johnson was hoping to challenge for the leadership hence he joined Gove and the minority of Brexiteers in his party.
Something as massive as this should have been a majority vote in a Government. The only political party advocating it was UKIP. Had they been in government as a result of a General Election I would have been just as disappointed but would have accepted the vote. The truth was UKIP came nowhere near Government.
This was a a referendum concocted for entirely the wrong reasons and a debate built on lies. Just remember how Cameron Gove and Johnson all run for the hills when this entirely unplanned result occurred.
No sour grapes here just deep concern for my children and granchildren's future. |
Pp has it right here | |
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 13:35 - Feb 18 with 1115 views | rock1n |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 13:12 - Feb 18 by perchrockjack |
Pp has it right here |
The ultimate scumbag is Boris, without him it would have been 60/40 maybe even a bigger gap.
David Cameron was naive, he truly believed that it would be an easy victory and I think most people did that's why there wasn't much opposition to the vote. But then that would be rational i.e. people voting based on economy like every election since the dawn of time.
Immigration and Boris charisma won the day, I still find that a deeply depressing turn of events | |
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 13:42 - Feb 18 with 1102 views | BigPhilG |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 09:59 - Feb 18 by Lohengrin |
By rights he ought to be facing the hangman's noose on a charge of high treason. |
Yes he should
I voted labour at the time and regret it now. I voted to leave the EU and don't regret it now. I know exactly what I was voting for too and haven't changed my mind.
Tony Blair is a war criminal as far as I'm concerned and if he wants to stay in the EU that's all I need to tell me I made the right choice when I voted |  | | |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 13:46 - Feb 18 with 1100 views | sherpajacob |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 09:59 - Feb 18 by Lohengrin |
By rights he ought to be facing the hangman's noose on a charge of high treason. |
Poor Tony, if only IDS as leader of the opposition had managed to persuade him not to attack Iraq. He wouldn't be getting all this vitriol.
All the attacks , have been on him personally.
Nobody has been able to put any Coherent argument together against anything he actually said In his speech.
In our current topsy turvy political climate, he is both the best and worst person to lead the fight against brexit.
The left hate him for going to war in Iraq, the right hate him for not going to war sooner.
Yet he is possibly the only uk figure able to stand up and say, I don't care if you hate me, that is your right, but take on my arguments in a full on reasoned debate.
Because he knows if any brexit politician does try to attack his arguments in a, head on debate, he will make mincemeat of their contradictions, and fallacies | |
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 13:49 - Feb 18 with 1098 views | Flashberryjack |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 09:05 - Feb 18 by Private_Partz |
Many knew what they were voting against. Trouble was much of it had anything to do with the EU. Just look at the press coverage of those that voted out and their reasons for doing so.
Granted many wanted sovereignty at all costs and no more immigration. You extract the misguided votes though from one of the closest votes possible and Brexit would never have happened. |
I know a lot that voted to remain because of "project fear" but would now vote to leave.
Swings and roundabouts. |  |
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 15:33 - Feb 18 with 1064 views | rock1n |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 13:42 - Feb 18 by BigPhilG |
Yes he should
I voted labour at the time and regret it now. I voted to leave the EU and don't regret it now. I know exactly what I was voting for too and haven't changed my mind.
Tony Blair is a war criminal as far as I'm concerned and if he wants to stay in the EU that's all I need to tell me I made the right choice when I voted |
Notice you say 'regret it now' that's a long time ago the brexit vote was less than a year ago | |
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 15:34 - Feb 18 with 1061 views | rock1n |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 13:46 - Feb 18 by sherpajacob |
Poor Tony, if only IDS as leader of the opposition had managed to persuade him not to attack Iraq. He wouldn't be getting all this vitriol.
All the attacks , have been on him personally.
Nobody has been able to put any Coherent argument together against anything he actually said In his speech.
In our current topsy turvy political climate, he is both the best and worst person to lead the fight against brexit.
The left hate him for going to war in Iraq, the right hate him for not going to war sooner.
Yet he is possibly the only uk figure able to stand up and say, I don't care if you hate me, that is your right, but take on my arguments in a full on reasoned debate.
Because he knows if any brexit politician does try to attack his arguments in a, head on debate, he will make mincemeat of their contradictions, and fallacies |
The right hate him for not going to War sooner?
Really? | |
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 15:36 - Feb 18 with 1058 views | rock1n |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 13:49 - Feb 18 by Flashberryjack |
I know a lot that voted to remain because of "project fear" but would now vote to leave.
Swings and roundabouts. |
If we had signed Article 50 after the vote our economy would have been trashed.
That is what the projections were based on, we have been ok since because we've had stable Gov and yes are still in the EU/single market | |
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 15:41 - Feb 18 with 1053 views | exiledclaseboy |
I don't regret voting for Blair in 1997 and 2001. He was a breath of fresh air at the time and despite Iraq his governments did a lot of good things. I didn't agree with everything but I don't think there'll ever be a government which you agree with about everything. But I couldn't bring myself to vote Labour after Iraq so I voted elsewhere in 2005 and didn't vote Labour again until 2015.
Incidentally, at the 2005 election the Tories won 198 seats. Five years later they formed a government. Labour currently has around 230 seats so if they change the leader and direction and do it quickly they'll still be a force. [Post edited 18 Feb 2017 15:45]
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 16:05 - Feb 18 with 1032 views | Highjack |
I was still happy and more than comfortable with my leave vote but then I realised I must be an old thick white poor racist who didn't know what I was voting for and struggled to put a cross in the right box without panting heavily and grunting so I therefore lack the all omnipotent superior intelligence and ability to predict the future that all remainers have so I'm probably wrong.
Luckily I have people like Tony Blair and Eddie Izard to point out to me that my opinion like many others in this country shouldn't count because I'm a useless splodge of human sputum. |  |
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| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 16:13 - Feb 18 with 1030 views | trampie |
| Blair on Brexit.Incredible on 15:41 - Feb 18 by exiledclaseboy |
I don't regret voting for Blair in 1997 and 2001. He was a breath of fresh air at the time and despite Iraq his governments did a lot of good things. I didn't agree with everything but I don't think there'll ever be a government which you agree with about everything. But I couldn't bring myself to vote Labour after Iraq so I voted elsewhere in 2005 and didn't vote Labour again until 2015.
Incidentally, at the 2005 election the Tories won 198 seats. Five years later they formed a government. Labour currently has around 230 seats so if they change the leader and direction and do it quickly they'll still be a force. [Post edited 18 Feb 2017 15:45]
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See a boy that used to vote Labour back in the day and now votes Plaid [a Plaid member these days I believe] replied to a post of mine on a rugby site saying dropping clause 4 was the end of it for him.
I stopped voting Labour mid 80's, Blair dropped clause 4 mid 90's, I was long gone but it was a huge moment, there was no going back for me after that although I had not voted for them for about a decade, dropping clause 4 finished it for me and for many others that were on the left as well [dare I say more so in Wales and Scotland less alternatives in England]. |  |
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