| Corbyn's jealousy shines 11:27 - Jan 10 with 9285 views | blueytheblue |
Hey folks, lets have a maximum income limit!
Yeah, great idea that one.
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 20:45 - Jan 11 with 1045 views | trampie |
| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 20:10 - Jan 11 by blueytheblue |
I'd urge all UK citizens to look down the back of the sofa.
It's a silly question to to expect a full blown answer... would need to fully look at the entirety of the finances.
I'd be tempted to lower the tax band rates, raise the limit to starting to pay income tax. Lowering the tax rates should theoretically generate more income by removing the incentive to fiddle. People generally pay tax they feel is fair. |
As longlostjack asks 'Where's your tax revenue coming from to build and modernize the infrastructure ?', services are going to the wall at the moment, things are apparently so dire that the Red Cross are said to be helping English hospitals and you think cutting taxes is the way forward ?
Incentive to fiddle you say ?, that might be the case currently for the rich that are not PAYE but most people pay income tax through PAYE and have no say about the amount of tax they feel happy to pay [as you put it]. [Post edited 11 Jan 2017 20:50]
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 20:48 - Jan 11 with 1043 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 20:05 - Jan 11 by trampie |
Not paying it would be a criminal offence and they would be looking at a jail term.
Some head teachers and police chiefs earn more than the Prime Minister as do some big wigs working for councils, there still would be no shortage of candidates for high paid jobs that would be taxed more appropriately [higher] than they currently are. |
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 20:57 - Jan 11 with 1022 views | trampie |
| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 20:48 - Jan 11 by londonlisa2001 |
Don't be ridiculous mun. |
What is ridiculous ?
Isn't not paying tax that is due a criminal offence ?
Don't some top teachers, top police and council chiefs earn more than the Prime Minister ?
If there was more tax charged on highly paid jobs don't you think there will still be a queue candidates for those jobs ? | |
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:02 - Jan 11 with 1011 views | blueytheblue |
| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 20:57 - Jan 11 by trampie |
What is ridiculous ?
Isn't not paying tax that is due a criminal offence ?
Don't some top teachers, top police and council chiefs earn more than the Prime Minister ?
If there was more tax charged on highly paid jobs don't you think there will still be a queue candidates for those jobs ? |
Well, trampie, define "tax that is due".
Tax regulations are way, waaaaaaaay too complicated -need massive simplification.
What you have is an amount accountants determine is due based upon their interpretation of those regulations and an amount HMRC determine based upon their interpretation.
HMRC's determination isn't always the correct one... | |
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:13 - Jan 11 with 999 views | trampie |
| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:02 - Jan 11 by blueytheblue |
Well, trampie, define "tax that is due".
Tax regulations are way, waaaaaaaay too complicated -need massive simplification.
What you have is an amount accountants determine is due based upon their interpretation of those regulations and an amount HMRC determine based upon their interpretation.
HMRC's determination isn't always the correct one... |
Ive told you this before, I answer your questions [and other peoples questions] but you don't answer mine.
You ask question after question which I'm happy to answer the minute I ask you a question you don't answer.
If you are interested in having an internet debate with trampie then you need to 'up your game' and play ball otherwise you will be regarded as an internet troll and not worthy of chat. [Post edited 11 Jan 2017 21:15]
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:15 - Jan 11 with 995 views | pikeypaul |
| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:13 - Jan 11 by trampie |
Ive told you this before, I answer your questions [and other peoples questions] but you don't answer mine.
You ask question after question which I'm happy to answer the minute I ask you a question you don't answer.
If you are interested in having an internet debate with trampie then you need to 'up your game' and play ball otherwise you will be regarded as an internet troll and not worthy of chat. [Post edited 11 Jan 2017 21:15]
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:16 - Jan 11 with 989 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:02 - Jan 11 by blueytheblue |
Well, trampie, define "tax that is due".
Tax regulations are way, waaaaaaaay too complicated -need massive simplification.
What you have is an amount accountants determine is due based upon their interpretation of those regulations and an amount HMRC determine based upon their interpretation.
HMRC's determination isn't always the correct one... |
But it is the legally binding one. |  |
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:18 - Jan 11 with 988 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 20:57 - Jan 11 by trampie |
What is ridiculous ?
Isn't not paying tax that is due a criminal offence ?
Don't some top teachers, top police and council chiefs earn more than the Prime Minister ?
If there was more tax charged on highly paid jobs don't you think there will still be a queue candidates for those jobs ? |
When I said the rich won't pay it, I didn't mean they'd stamp their feet and say 'I won't pay'.
Get real.
The biggest issue that needs to be tackled (or issues), is not the rate of taxation, but the collection rate and the avoidance loopholes.
If they actually collected tax that should be paid by HNWs and multinational corporations, then they wouldn't need to raise the rate of tax on people like teachers, or anyone else for that matter.
And no, Trampie, I don't think there would be a queue. At least, not a queue of people with the right skill set, as they would all have buggered off somewhere else.
Take politicians as an example. Barring a few, genuine conviction politicians who enter politics as a calling, or a desire to do something to help society (in their view), parliament is stuffed full of people to whom the best part of a hundred grand or whatever it is by the time it's all added up, is money beyond their wildest dreams and they could never earn that elsewhere (e.g. Corbyn), or alternatively, posh boys with a private income who have no need for their salary, and treat it as an irrelevance (e.g. Cameron). Any person who is a talented and skilled economist (just as an example) who could add hugely to the Treasury team say, will be working in the private sector for ten times the money,
I'd like to think that we pay our teachers (as an example) according to the importance of the job. It's hugely important, don't you think? And the Heads that get large amounts, are those of large, inner city comps, with appalling problems with discipline, or require turnaround from underperformance, or similar. Should we just shove any old bugger that will take the money into those jobs?
Your utopian view of the lovely socialist society so admired by Leanne, only works if you believe that people leave their homes and families every day, sometimes for 14 or 16 hours, out of the goodness of their hearts. If everyone gets paid the same, then who'll do any stressful job Trampie? Or job that requires 100 hours a week? Or a job that requires years and years of training?
How about those policemen and women that have spent the last couple of days in Yorkshire dealing with that dreadful murder case of the little girl? It made me upset to the point of feeling sick just reading about it in the paper. Should the head of that team get paid a decent amount without paying enormous amounts of tax to pay for the middle classes in Cardiff to get free prescriptions for paracetamol because they are too selfish to fork out 16p for a packet in Tesco? | | | |
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:22 - Jan 11 with 980 views | trampie |
| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:15 - Jan 11 by pikeypaul |
What question is that then? |
''As longlostjack asks 'Where's your tax revenue coming from to build and modernize the infrastructure ?', services are going to the wall at the moment, things are apparently so dire that the Red Cross are said to be helping English hospitals and you think cutting taxes is the way forward ?
Incentive to fiddle you say ?, that might be the case currently for the rich that are not PAYE but most people pay income tax through PAYE and have no say about the amount of tax they feel happy to pay [as you put it]''.
Its a Kaardiff game, ive come across them before, there was a guy on another sports messageboard [Kaardiff] that would ask me question after question and I would answer but once I asked him a question he very often would not. | |
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:27 - Jan 11 with 967 views | perchrockjack |
Lisa .
You will have read ,no doubt, about the vast pensions police get in addition to their better than average salaries.
It's cases like York that justifies their renumeration.
I've nothing against those who start businesses ,employ people, then become wealthy.
It's what life should be about. Reward.
This is what filth like Vorbyn is against. They are Union men ,fed and funded by the organisation and boy do they know how to reward themselves .
Corbyn has not the balls nor the intellect to have started a business and have it pay
Bankers take risks. If it comes down ,they re hollowed.
Where this country went wrong was getting into too much debt and banks were negligent is loaning too much to too many
That was the cause of our demise
Nothing less | |
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:27 - Jan 11 with 967 views | pikeypaul |
| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:22 - Jan 11 by trampie |
''As longlostjack asks 'Where's your tax revenue coming from to build and modernize the infrastructure ?', services are going to the wall at the moment, things are apparently so dire that the Red Cross are said to be helping English hospitals and you think cutting taxes is the way forward ?
Incentive to fiddle you say ?, that might be the case currently for the rich that are not PAYE but most people pay income tax through PAYE and have no say about the amount of tax they feel happy to pay [as you put it]''.
Its a Kaardiff game, ive come across them before, there was a guy on another sports messageboard [Kaardiff] that would ask me question after question and I would answer but once I asked him a question he very often would not. |
What type of question did you ask him? | |
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:28 - Jan 11 with 966 views | trampie |
| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:18 - Jan 11 by londonlisa2001 |
When I said the rich won't pay it, I didn't mean they'd stamp their feet and say 'I won't pay'.
Get real.
The biggest issue that needs to be tackled (or issues), is not the rate of taxation, but the collection rate and the avoidance loopholes.
If they actually collected tax that should be paid by HNWs and multinational corporations, then they wouldn't need to raise the rate of tax on people like teachers, or anyone else for that matter.
And no, Trampie, I don't think there would be a queue. At least, not a queue of people with the right skill set, as they would all have buggered off somewhere else.
Take politicians as an example. Barring a few, genuine conviction politicians who enter politics as a calling, or a desire to do something to help society (in their view), parliament is stuffed full of people to whom the best part of a hundred grand or whatever it is by the time it's all added up, is money beyond their wildest dreams and they could never earn that elsewhere (e.g. Corbyn), or alternatively, posh boys with a private income who have no need for their salary, and treat it as an irrelevance (e.g. Cameron). Any person who is a talented and skilled economist (just as an example) who could add hugely to the Treasury team say, will be working in the private sector for ten times the money,
I'd like to think that we pay our teachers (as an example) according to the importance of the job. It's hugely important, don't you think? And the Heads that get large amounts, are those of large, inner city comps, with appalling problems with discipline, or require turnaround from underperformance, or similar. Should we just shove any old bugger that will take the money into those jobs?
Your utopian view of the lovely socialist society so admired by Leanne, only works if you believe that people leave their homes and families every day, sometimes for 14 or 16 hours, out of the goodness of their hearts. If everyone gets paid the same, then who'll do any stressful job Trampie? Or job that requires 100 hours a week? Or a job that requires years and years of training?
How about those policemen and women that have spent the last couple of days in Yorkshire dealing with that dreadful murder case of the little girl? It made me upset to the point of feeling sick just reading about it in the paper. Should the head of that team get paid a decent amount without paying enormous amounts of tax to pay for the middle classes in Cardiff to get free prescriptions for paracetamol because they are too selfish to fork out 16p for a packet in Tesco? |
So when you said 'the rich won't pay it' you didn't mean they wont pay it ?
Judging by that the only person that needs to get real is you. | |
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:32 - Jan 11 with 957 views | perchrockjack |
And fairness ,Tom, is not simply a case of trying to overtax those who will simply fook off ,taking jobs with them
We need to reward risk takers.
Why doesn't jez concentrate on our biggest tax dodger, leeches and con artists...the Royals.
Why | |
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:36 - Jan 11 with 947 views | pikeypaul |
| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:32 - Jan 11 by perchrockjack |
And fairness ,Tom, is not simply a case of trying to overtax those who will simply fook off ,taking jobs with them
We need to reward risk takers.
Why doesn't jez concentrate on our biggest tax dodger, leeches and con artists...the Royals.
Why |
So you do not think the Royals create jobs? | |
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:41 - Jan 11 with 941 views | perchrockjack |
Good point.
Create , no.
There again, whole industries have been eliminated from our island and those poor fookers had little empathy mainly as they were from the areas our government has contempt for, I e ,the north, Wales ,Scotland.
Keep Buck palace, give the rest to NT and have people pay to visit...keep staff on though.
By staff ,I don't mean equerries, aide de camp, ladies in waiting, valets, footmen. | |
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:43 - Jan 11 with 941 views | trampie |
| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:36 - Jan 11 by pikeypaul |
So you do not think the Royals create jobs? |
The Royals create jobs for the police, some police probably would not have jobs if there was no royal family. | |
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:49 - Jan 11 with 933 views | rock1n |
| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 15:56 - Jan 11 by trampie |
Scandinavian countries are known as having high taxation and a very high quality of life [best in the World by lots of measures]. |
They tax everyone highly.
How would you feel if this Gov put VAT at 26%? |  |
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:50 - Jan 11 with 933 views | perchrockjack |
No they folkn do not tramps, the opposite.
They tale valuable resources away from main stream policing to look after this shower of misfits.
I spent an attachment with SB and it changed my thinking for all time.
Trust me, the cost of Royal protection is huge | |
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:51 - Jan 11 with 933 views | rock1n |
| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 17:52 - Jan 11 by Brynmill_Jack |
That's got f*ck all to do with their economy, more like the long, cold and dark in winter.
FFS Bluey!
P.S. the suicide rate in this country has skyrocketed due to the fabulous caring policies of your wonderful Conservative party. Poverty everywhere, high rents to pay due to the lack of social housig sold off for a song to speculators in the 1980's. Now it's your children and theirs who will be picking up the tab. And that's not even taking into account the country's growing debt. They've taken the Labour debt which they derided them for and have doubled it. |
Not due to mental health then, tories get blame for suicide rates. FFS | |
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:54 - Jan 11 with 925 views | rock1n |
| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 18:42 - Jan 11 by jojaca |
I just think it would be nice for a full time working man/woman who gets up all hours of the day to have a bit of money in the back pocket to save for a rainy day, instead of using 70/80% of their wages just paying your basic bills.
We seem to have some rich bastards on this forum who seemed to have little empathy for the low income working class.
The only economist that make any sense is Steve Keen. |
Do you honestly believe in an ideal World that I and others would not want the min wage to be double what it is?
The reality is that would cripple the labour market, leading to a massive increase in unemployment, increased spending on benefits, lower taxation and dramatic increases in inflation which would diminish the overall effect.
Think about it for one second. | |
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:56 - Jan 11 with 922 views | rock1n |
| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 19:34 - Jan 11 by oh_tommy_tommy |
That's a start my friend . |
Aren't you one for high spending on public services?
Seriously you guys. Do you have any idea how much that would cost? We're talking 10's of billions increase in deficit. | |
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 22:00 - Jan 11 with 918 views | trampie |
| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 21:49 - Jan 11 by rock1n |
They tax everyone highly.
How would you feel if this Gov put VAT at 26%? |
They are ranked best in the World, enough said.
Tax everyone high is fine if there is a safety net of a good welfare and benefits system with a high minimum wage then in that scenario 26% VAT would be ok. | |
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 22:03 - Jan 11 with 909 views | rock1n |
| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 22:00 - Jan 11 by trampie |
They are ranked best in the World, enough said.
Tax everyone high is fine if there is a safety net of a good welfare and benefits system with a high minimum wage then in that scenario 26% VAT would be ok. |
They don't have a min wage in those Countries  | |
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| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 22:05 - Jan 11 with 901 views | trampie |
| Corbyn's jealousy shines on 22:03 - Jan 11 by rock1n |
They don't have a min wage in those Countries |
I didn't say they have. | |
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