| Brexit .... My thoughts... 11:07 - Jun 16 with 146608 views | JacksDad |
The one thing I am certain of re this vote is that no-one knows for sure what the repercussions economically will be if we pull out. If you listen to the experts it will be better if we stay in, however its all unconvincing. My issue is that after 10 years of Austerity, the services in this country have been cut to the bone, that is services that are needed by us all - not just Immigrants/benefit spongers. We are not in a position to afford the enormous gamble if it all goes t1ts up. I am taking my lead from Ray Winston and gambling responsibly and staying in. If we ever get to situation when everything is adequately funded and horrible 0 hours contracts were abolished ... then maybe it might be worth the risk to pull out. But to do it now is a massive gamble which we just cannot afford to lose. |  | | |  |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 20:52 - Jun 24 with 2466 views | Metallica_Hoop |
I work with a fair few Romanians we were laughing with them about them being deported.
It's not going to happen if you work in the uk and pay taxes then no one will want to deport you, kick you out etc.
However those who came here and have never worked ......
But again who knows.
I should add those of working age. [Post edited 24 Jun 2016 20:54]
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| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 21:10 - Jun 24 with 2416 views | LongsufferingR |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 20:42 - Jun 24 by derbyhoop |
On a similar theme to kensalriser
What happens in 2 years time when
a) we're out of the EU
b) many immigrants have gone back because they no longer feel welcome (a frequent comment from EU migrants living in the UK
c) we've still got loads of problems - austerity, low/no growth, etc
Who will get the blame then? |
Chris Ramsey. |  | | |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 21:21 - Jun 24 with 2383 views | CHUBBS |
What person in Their right mind would want to have their way of life obliterated by the diktats of unelected bureaucrats from Brussels?
That's the reason for this out vote not the bile the indoctrinated far left will have you believe.
This is a long term vote for the brave for a better life for us all,unless you wish to continue with the intolerable tyrannical undemocratic rule we currently have how about making a positive effort to make it work.
let the people make the decisions not the fraudulent undemocratic banksters. |  | | |
| Brexit .... My thoughts...t on 21:25 - Jun 24 with 2376 views | Rs_Holy |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 20:31 - Jun 24 by kensalriser |
I'm wondering what will happen if/when all the disillusioned socially and economically disadvantaged voters come to realise that nothing has improved for them. That after several years of a more pro-austerity and authoritarian government and a fresh recession there are no more jobs, no more infrastructure, no more regeneration, fewer benefits, fewer opportunities. That they've been sold a pup and leaving the EU solved nothing for them. |
I heard an interview on the radio with a mother and daughter from Hartlepool... When asked "why did you vote out", they replied "how can it get worse, we have nothing, how can it get any worse"?
That is almost certainly the attitude of large chunks of England. These people feel let down and detached from any community... The UK is not united this evening, it is splintered, and disfunctional. North versus South, young versus old, middle class versus working class, the haves and have nots. The whole thing is broken and in hindsight I think this decision was almost inevitable.
These are tough times for Britain, Europe, USA... Pretty much everyone. Something has gone very wrong in recent years for millions of people. I'm not clever enough to know the answers but one thing I do know is a large percentage of people all around the world are feeling they want change.
The people of Britain have spoken. Perhaps now we have to work together, try and give people hope. We are out of the EU, it's time to move on and become a United Kingdom again (even if the Kingdom is only England and Wales). [Post edited 24 Jun 2016 21:27]
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| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 22:01 - Jun 24 with 2307 views | DannytheR |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 20:42 - Jun 24 by derbyhoop |
On a similar theme to kensalriser
What happens in 2 years time when
a) we're out of the EU
b) many immigrants have gone back because they no longer feel welcome (a frequent comment from EU migrants living in the UK
c) we've still got loads of problems - austerity, low/no growth, etc
Who will get the blame then? |
The immigrants who are still here. The London "elite." The next scapegoats have already been lined up, haven't they? |  | | |
| Brexit .... My thoughts...t on 22:04 - Jun 24 with 2279 views | loftboy |
| Brexit .... My thoughts...t on 21:25 - Jun 24 by Rs_Holy |
I heard an interview on the radio with a mother and daughter from Hartlepool... When asked "why did you vote out", they replied "how can it get worse, we have nothing, how can it get any worse"?
That is almost certainly the attitude of large chunks of England. These people feel let down and detached from any community... The UK is not united this evening, it is splintered, and disfunctional. North versus South, young versus old, middle class versus working class, the haves and have nots. The whole thing is broken and in hindsight I think this decision was almost inevitable.
These are tough times for Britain, Europe, USA... Pretty much everyone. Something has gone very wrong in recent years for millions of people. I'm not clever enough to know the answers but one thing I do know is a large percentage of people all around the world are feeling they want change.
The people of Britain have spoken. Perhaps now we have to work together, try and give people hope. We are out of the EU, it's time to move on and become a United Kingdom again (even if the Kingdom is only England and Wales). [Post edited 24 Jun 2016 21:27]
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| Brexit .... My thoughts...t on 22:11 - Jun 24 with 2265 views | TacticalR |
| Brexit .... My thoughts...t on 21:25 - Jun 24 by Rs_Holy |
I heard an interview on the radio with a mother and daughter from Hartlepool... When asked "why did you vote out", they replied "how can it get worse, we have nothing, how can it get any worse"?
That is almost certainly the attitude of large chunks of England. These people feel let down and detached from any community... The UK is not united this evening, it is splintered, and disfunctional. North versus South, young versus old, middle class versus working class, the haves and have nots. The whole thing is broken and in hindsight I think this decision was almost inevitable.
These are tough times for Britain, Europe, USA... Pretty much everyone. Something has gone very wrong in recent years for millions of people. I'm not clever enough to know the answers but one thing I do know is a large percentage of people all around the world are feeling they want change.
The people of Britain have spoken. Perhaps now we have to work together, try and give people hope. We are out of the EU, it's time to move on and become a United Kingdom again (even if the Kingdom is only England and Wales). [Post edited 24 Jun 2016 21:27]
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The irony is that those who have led the Brexit campaign are the same ones who have led the attacks on the poorest people in the country - using grotesque schemes like the Bedroom Tax to take from them what little they had. |  |
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| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 22:18 - Jun 24 with 2240 views | kensalriser |
How can it get any worse?
Even for the less advantaged, Britain is still one of the most peaceful and prosperous countries in the world. I think I'd rather live in Hartlepool than Fallujah or Raqqa or Khartoum or Caracas...
I'm still wondering how the millions of people who feel sidelined are going to have their lot improved now we will be free of the terrible tyranny of the EU. Where will the investment come from? Who will create the jobs? How will education be improved and opportunities offered? How has the EU prevented any of this happening over the last decades? |  |
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| Brexit .... My thoughts...t on 22:25 - Jun 24 with 2225 views | distortR |
| Brexit .... My thoughts...t on 22:11 - Jun 24 by TacticalR |
The irony is that those who have led the Brexit campaign are the same ones who have led the attacks on the poorest people in the country - using grotesque schemes like the Bedroom Tax to take from them what little they had. |
my hope is that this vote empowers people, that they don't stop here but continue to make their feelings known and make politicians accountable. We need real change, i don't think that was ever going to be achieved in the self serving, civil service dominated e.u. And i don't think it'll be achieved by johnson, farage etc.
I'm not sure most on here, including me, realise how bad things have got in parts of the uk right now. | | | |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 22:28 - Jun 24 with 2220 views | Lblock |
I'm with EssexTaxi here..... I just got back from a cracking ruby and a few large Cobras with my missus and me old fella
My Dad is my absolute hero. A monster of a fella, ex bouncer and far better looking than I ever was. That aside, his greatest attributes are his devilish wit and his rapier brain, when he speaks I listen. He summed it all up tonight with statements along the lines of "those Euro politicians like Kinnock ain't got the mandate to do what they like anymore" and other more indepth things I'm not sober enough to go into, apart from....
"You can almost taste the media, the lefties, the liberals and the apologists pushing us and willing us towards turmoil and referendum"
People looking for passports from different countries? The new witchcraft of racism being bandied about? Doom, doom, doom??
God help us if there was another war - white feathers everywhere |  |
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| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 22:56 - Jun 24 with 2180 views | Rs_Holy |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 22:18 - Jun 24 by kensalriser |
How can it get any worse?
Even for the less advantaged, Britain is still one of the most peaceful and prosperous countries in the world. I think I'd rather live in Hartlepool than Fallujah or Raqqa or Khartoum or Caracas...
I'm still wondering how the millions of people who feel sidelined are going to have their lot improved now we will be free of the terrible tyranny of the EU. Where will the investment come from? Who will create the jobs? How will education be improved and opportunities offered? How has the EU prevented any of this happening over the last decades? |
I suppose if you have nothing then you feel you have nothing to lose by trying something different...?
The EU project is simply not working for millions of people... The far right is on the up... This is not good but perhaps inevitable.
The EU appears aloof and out of touch. People are not inspired by what appears to be a closed shop, lacking flexibility, and accountability.
It might be worse out of the EU but they did nothing to re-assure an almost paranoid public. They were not interested in addressing the issues that mattered most to working class people, many of whom feel pretty worthless.
It's a mess and like I say, I don't have the answers.
Would it have been better in the EU? Maybe it would, but they did very little to convince the forgotten millions! | | | |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 23:00 - Jun 24 with 2172 views | Brightonhoop |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 22:28 - Jun 24 by Lblock |
I'm with EssexTaxi here..... I just got back from a cracking ruby and a few large Cobras with my missus and me old fella
My Dad is my absolute hero. A monster of a fella, ex bouncer and far better looking than I ever was. That aside, his greatest attributes are his devilish wit and his rapier brain, when he speaks I listen. He summed it all up tonight with statements along the lines of "those Euro politicians like Kinnock ain't got the mandate to do what they like anymore" and other more indepth things I'm not sober enough to go into, apart from....
"You can almost taste the media, the lefties, the liberals and the apologists pushing us and willing us towards turmoil and referendum"
People looking for passports from different countries? The new witchcraft of racism being bandied about? Doom, doom, doom??
God help us if there was another war - white feathers everywhere |
Often enjoy your posts LBlock but have to pick you up on lefties being cowards or somehow anti-Britain because they have opposing views to yours. It's pretty offensive actually. My Grandfather was a 'lefty' and he somehow survived the D-Day landings whilst thousands all around were slaughtered, and then fought his way across northern France killing nazis along the way to keep Britain free. He was the furthest thing from a coward that exists, a huge, angry Highlander gone to war against terrible odds for his Country. It's why you had the luxury choice of voting yesterday.
Best put down to the cobras I guess, generally thought you were better than that. Prove me right. [Post edited 24 Jun 2016 23:25]
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| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 23:06 - Jun 24 with 2155 views | Brightonhoop |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 22:18 - Jun 24 by kensalriser |
How can it get any worse?
Even for the less advantaged, Britain is still one of the most peaceful and prosperous countries in the world. I think I'd rather live in Hartlepool than Fallujah or Raqqa or Khartoum or Caracas...
I'm still wondering how the millions of people who feel sidelined are going to have their lot improved now we will be free of the terrible tyranny of the EU. Where will the investment come from? Who will create the jobs? How will education be improved and opportunities offered? How has the EU prevented any of this happening over the last decades? |
Had to laugh at Cornwall and Wales suddenly demanding Westminster backfill the EU funded budgets, having voted out.
Seriously think London should become a Sovereign entity and re-apply for EU Membership. [Post edited 24 Jun 2016 23:08]
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| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 23:08 - Jun 24 with 2145 views | beeeater |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 20:29 - Jun 24 by essextaxiboy |
This thread has morphed into a self fulfilling disaster thread since i last looked .
I say again wait and see, everything is unsettled its was always going to to be so .
Sit tight , let the politicians fight it out , once a plan is in place we can see where we are going how fast and who might be affected .
As confidence grows , agreements made and we have clarity about how our personal situation may be affected we can start to plan . |
That's the scary point. There is no plan. I can't believe anyone would vote for exit under those conditions. A bit like getting some builder in to put up conservatory for you who doesn't have a plan, the materials or tools to build it. You just wouldn't do it.
Mind you he'd probably be Polish 😃 | | | |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 23:16 - Jun 24 with 2124 views | Bluce_Ree |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 20:42 - Jun 24 by derbyhoop |
On a similar theme to kensalriser
What happens in 2 years time when
a) we're out of the EU
b) many immigrants have gone back because they no longer feel welcome (a frequent comment from EU migrants living in the UK
c) we've still got loads of problems - austerity, low/no growth, etc
Who will get the blame then? |
Rob Green. Gets the blame for every fking thing that happens. |  |
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| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 23:39 - Jun 24 with 2092 views | TacticalR |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 23:08 - Jun 24 by beeeater |
That's the scary point. There is no plan. I can't believe anyone would vote for exit under those conditions. A bit like getting some builder in to put up conservatory for you who doesn't have a plan, the materials or tools to build it. You just wouldn't do it.
Mind you he'd probably be Polish 😃 |
Last week there was an interview with Ian Bremmer, American author and President of the Eurasia Group (a risk consultancy) on BBC Business Daily, and I think he explained this quite well:
BBC: You have suggested that there is a parallel between the UK Leave campaign and the campaign for Donald Trump in the US. Really?
Bremmer: There's very clearly a parallel. I mean you have significant number of Americans and Brits that do not in any way trust the establishment. They don't believe that they are going to be economically better off irrespective of the promises that are made, and they want something different, and frankly they see voting for something different as not being a risk. They see sticking with the same as being a risk. Usually with a referendum you say people are going to stay with it because that means that if they're uncertain then you want to stick with where you are, but if you believe that your trajectory is only to ruin by continuing with politicians that have been doing nothing but lying to you and not providing for their citizenry, then you start thinking very differently about how you want to vote. That's very clearly what's been behind the Trump and the Sanders campaign. Trump's also had the identity politics which has been very toxic, while in Britain it is what is behind the Brexit campaign.
Brexit Vote: Down to the Wire
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03xvh00 [Post edited 24 Jun 2016 23:55]
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| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 00:34 - Jun 25 with 2016 views | Brightonhoop |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 23:39 - Jun 24 by TacticalR |
Last week there was an interview with Ian Bremmer, American author and President of the Eurasia Group (a risk consultancy) on BBC Business Daily, and I think he explained this quite well:
BBC: You have suggested that there is a parallel between the UK Leave campaign and the campaign for Donald Trump in the US. Really?
Bremmer: There's very clearly a parallel. I mean you have significant number of Americans and Brits that do not in any way trust the establishment. They don't believe that they are going to be economically better off irrespective of the promises that are made, and they want something different, and frankly they see voting for something different as not being a risk. They see sticking with the same as being a risk. Usually with a referendum you say people are going to stay with it because that means that if they're uncertain then you want to stick with where you are, but if you believe that your trajectory is only to ruin by continuing with politicians that have been doing nothing but lying to you and not providing for their citizenry, then you start thinking very differently about how you want to vote. That's very clearly what's been behind the Trump and the Sanders campaign. Trump's also had the identity politics which has been very toxic, while in Britain it is what is behind the Brexit campaign.
Brexit Vote: Down to the Wire
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03xvh00 [Post edited 24 Jun 2016 23:55]
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40 years of neglect will usher in the new nazis. And people will vote for that. Proven. | | | |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 00:48 - Jun 25 with 1990 views | CHUBBS |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 00:34 - Jun 25 by Brightonhoop |
40 years of neglect will usher in the new nazis. And people will vote for that. Proven. |
The new Nazis.... Ahh you mean the people that bankrolled them,the same mob that control the EU.
Yep for once I agree with you brighton😉 | | | |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 07:17 - Jun 25 with 1903 views | Lblock |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 23:00 - Jun 24 by Brightonhoop |
Often enjoy your posts LBlock but have to pick you up on lefties being cowards or somehow anti-Britain because they have opposing views to yours. It's pretty offensive actually. My Grandfather was a 'lefty' and he somehow survived the D-Day landings whilst thousands all around were slaughtered, and then fought his way across northern France killing nazis along the way to keep Britain free. He was the furthest thing from a coward that exists, a huge, angry Highlander gone to war against terrible odds for his Country. It's why you had the luxury choice of voting yesterday.
Best put down to the cobras I guess, generally thought you were better than that. Prove me right. [Post edited 24 Jun 2016 23:25]
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Point taken, noted and accepted -- apology extended.
For the record I'm not anti leftist at all and, (I really hate this expression bit I'm going to use it), "some of my best friends are lefties"!!!
In fact I'd actually encourage left wing views as without them we'd actually be in a facist dictatorship (like the EU!!!).
Apologies again for any offence. I'm becoming increasingly belligerent when almost drunk these days; it's a lesson to go the whole hog and actually get drunk!!! | |
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| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 07:35 - Jun 25 with 1884 views | essextaxiboy |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 20:42 - Jun 24 by derbyhoop |
On a similar theme to kensalriser
What happens in 2 years time when
a) we're out of the EU
b) many immigrants have gone back because they no longer feel welcome (a frequent comment from EU migrants living in the UK
c) we've still got loads of problems - austerity, low/no growth, etc
Who will get the blame then? |
The reason many migrants travel through 4 or 5 safe more prosperous countries than their own to come here is because they feel welcome and are treated properly .
Who takes the blame for the mass youth unemployment in Greece Spain and Portugal ? |  | | |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 08:27 - Jun 25 with 2434 views | Bluce_Ree |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 07:35 - Jun 25 by essextaxiboy |
The reason many migrants travel through 4 or 5 safe more prosperous countries than their own to come here is because they feel welcome and are treated properly .
Who takes the blame for the mass youth unemployment in Greece Spain and Portugal ? |
Again, Rob Green. | |
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| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 10:02 - Jun 25 with 2354 views | 1BobbyHazell |
If you want a real discussion about the illusionary nature of economic debt, who created it, why they created it, why it is maintained, how it is utterly manipulated and more importantly what we have to do to free ourselves from it, let me know.
If you just want to carry on finding doom laden warnings from the big institutions that I thought we were all agreed have too much control over us then fill your boots.
For me it's very strange to see left leaning people putting so much stock in what these institutions and the parasites who make a living gambling on the world's economy are telling us.
If you are really interested in understanding credit, how it works, how it was manipulated and how the current system cannot possibly maintain itself ad infinitum watch the money as debt video that I posted several times. It's an education. |  | | |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 10:07 - Jun 25 with 2345 views | DannytheR |
| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 10:02 - Jun 25 by 1BobbyHazell |
If you want a real discussion about the illusionary nature of economic debt, who created it, why they created it, why it is maintained, how it is utterly manipulated and more importantly what we have to do to free ourselves from it, let me know.
If you just want to carry on finding doom laden warnings from the big institutions that I thought we were all agreed have too much control over us then fill your boots.
For me it's very strange to see left leaning people putting so much stock in what these institutions and the parasites who make a living gambling on the world's economy are telling us.
If you are really interested in understanding credit, how it works, how it was manipulated and how the current system cannot possibly maintain itself ad infinitum watch the money as debt video that I posted several times. It's an education. |
https://anewnatureblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/25/the-eu-referendum-turkeys-have-v
Puts it better than I could.
As does this: http://tomewing.tumblr.com/post/146420642411/obsolete-units-surrounded-by-hail
Maybe we should just meet back up here in a couple of years and see which one of us is right. Be a shame if it's me. [Post edited 25 Jun 2016 10:15]
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| Brexit .... My thoughts... on 10:13 - Jun 25 with 2333 views | Hoop_Du_Jour |
You'll be able to milk this for the rest of your natural.
The Huff: "Inflation set to rise nought point negaty nil nil nought says ex-postman that used to deliver to several Nat West banks and a Wonga style shop..."
You: "That's what you get for being too stupid to make a rational decision based on facts and then having the same opinion as me. Ner ner."
Well, I couldn't give a flying fck about money, there are far better things in life to enjoy. As bottom rung dweller for some years now, I have nothing to lose like the other 17m that out-voted
you penny pinching worry worts. You'll thank us later when the civic quality of life rises and actually, only having one holiday in Benidorm instead of two isn't such a chore after all.
ALL HAIL EMPORER BORIS!
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