| When will the penny drop? 00:44 - Aug 18 with 18421 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Everything that was warned about with regards to switching to a style that the players aren’t suited to is now visible to most. There is a very good reason we didn’t start trying to be Brazil of the 1970’s over the last 2 seasons… and as a result saw the side be one of the best in the league… it’s because the manager realised the limitations of the squad and played to their strengths. That’s management.
I am wondering at what point the collective penny will drop that we cannot continue to play this way UNTIL we have the squad capable to do it. The Championship is too strong a league to be doing that, last time we got to this level we were a slick, well oiled machine with players capable of playing Premier League football in Dyer, Williams, Rangel and Britton. That spine would go on to win the League Cup, finish top half in the Premier League and perform well in Europe…. A championship spine it was not.
We had the players with ability leagues above the level they were playing at meaning we could afford to take some risks with regards to playing style. A nearing prime Leon Britton in league 1 seems a bit laughable now doesn’t it? That’s because it was.
The situation sadly is not the same today. We need to play to our strengths, get some points on the board, get the players in that we need and slowly incorporate the system you want. People talk of long term plans… and then change a system overnight?! We will get slaughtered at this level.
How about that actually becomes the longer term plan touted about and we slowly implement it while protecting our Championship status? Too mad an idea?
We do not want to lose our league position and drop down to league 1 as I see some people now happily stating they wouldn’t mind. I find that sad to read and extremely naive.
Relegation won’t mean us having an easy season to test this style against, we will lose even more players, have less income to replace them and the spiral continues. It’s an arrogant point of view to think relegation can be handled easily by the club.
Relegation is not a positive option and the fact we have gone from play offs to the Premier League to accepting the realities and the weighing up of pros and cons of League 1 football in such a short space of time should tell you something ain’t right.
I like Russell Martin, I think he has a good future in the game, my issue is not with him and I hope he stays for a long time to build something. My issue is with the attitude surrounding everything at the moment that we must play a certain way immediately, regardless of the damage it will cause.
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| When will the penny drop? on 21:49 - Feb 22 with 882 views | builthjack |
| When will the penny drop? on 21:27 - Feb 22 by Dr_Parnassus |
Of course, who else would call out your trolling threads.  |
Steady on No 2 🥈 |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| When will the penny drop? on 22:35 - Feb 22 with 854 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| When will the penny drop? on 21:49 - Feb 22 by builthjack |
Steady on No 2 🥈 |
Rock steady, as always. 🆠| |
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| When will the penny drop? on 01:05 - Feb 23 with 833 views | SwaneeRiver |
| When will the penny drop? on 12:17 - Feb 21 by Catullus |
I have a question, given everything said in the OP and given that Martin seems incapable of or unwilling to change his style/tactics/strategy/way of thinking, how can you think he has a good future in the game?
Nottingham Forest fans weren't initially keen on having Cooper, maybe after reading our forums and watching how we played the last few months but they love him now...a lot. Cooper made changes, he didn't go there and try to force the same style (or styles) on them that he used here. he used what he had to his best advantage. That does make him a good manager.
If Martin persists with his flawed plan, refuses to change and gets another job after us and carries on the same, he won't have any future.
Maybe his time here will teach him a few things, maybe our club will suffer but he will learn. It's not something I'll be happy about though, I want and need him to learn now! |
Good post and I agree we all want him to start learning now.
It's seems though that he is not for turning.
However for the moment, until he gets the players he needs to complete his team in the summer, he needs to change to a 4.4.2 or against the likes of Bournemouth and Fulham even a 5.4.1.
The next 15 games are vital for him and the club, not so much in terms of league position, as I feel we are safe, but in terms of getting the fans back behind him.
Currently the bad feeling towards him is growing.
He needs to stop it before it becomes a crescendo |  | | |
| When will the penny drop? on 08:44 - Feb 23 with 808 views | shingle |
| When will the penny drop? on 21:19 - Feb 22 by builthjack |
He would keep coming back, creating a new user name minutes after being banned. Ooh, hang on.... |
Yep true but can you imagine the turmoil he would be experiencing due to his main user name not having the last word must be some form of Ocd the poor guy has. I did offer him some help but he called me a Troll, no thanks whatsoever | | | |
| When will the penny drop? on 08:49 - Feb 23 with 793 views | magicdaps10 |
| When will the penny drop? on 08:44 - Feb 23 by shingle |
Yep true but can you imagine the turmoil he would be experiencing due to his main user name not having the last word must be some form of Ocd the poor guy has. I did offer him some help but he called me a Troll, no thanks whatsoever |
Definetly an issue, can't let it go.
The thread is on its way to getting pulled I would think, Keith has stepped in and yet it is everyone else but himself, not even showing a little bit of respect and just disregarding and even bordering the warning with mockery.... Its as if he knows nothing will be done by the admin and just shows his total disregard to most on this board and to the board itself.
Its becoming tiresome. |  |
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| When will the penny drop? on 08:55 - Feb 23 with 787 views | STID2017 |
| When will the penny drop? on 08:44 - Feb 23 by shingle |
Yep true but can you imagine the turmoil he would be experiencing due to his main user name not having the last word must be some form of Ocd the poor guy has. I did offer him some help but he called me a Troll, no thanks whatsoever |
Sadly we are all trolls in his eyes.
Never knew the meaning of troll = someone who holds a different point of view from me and refuses to believe I am right ?
Guess you learn something new every day as I thought it was someone who posts after every post you do, even if you do not respond ( which has done to me since I stopped answering his posts ) |  |
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| When will the penny drop? on 09:17 - Feb 23 with 783 views | Dr_Parnassus |
The trolls coming out in force now 
Resigned to defeat on us being correct with the way the season is panning out with these tactics and resigned to defeat that I simply will not give in to trolling.
Sorry chaps, not happening. | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 09:19 - Feb 23 with 782 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| When will the penny drop? on 08:55 - Feb 23 by STID2017 |
Sadly we are all trolls in his eyes.
Never knew the meaning of troll = someone who holds a different point of view from me and refuses to believe I am right ?
Guess you learn something new every day as I thought it was someone who posts after every post you do, even if you do not respond ( which has done to me since I stopped answering his posts ) |
You are more than welcome to disagree with me. I don’t call anyone a troll for disagreeing with me, that’s another lie.
Disagreeing is now what you do.
You get frustrated and call me a liar, accuse me of being other people, make up quotes that I’ve never said and refuse to back anything at all.
Let’s see what you have got then, champ. What do you disagree with? Be specific.
Let’s have a football chat. Remember don’t make up stuff I’ve never said or “paraphrase” as you call it (?!)…
Floor is yours. [Post edited 23 Feb 2022 9:30]
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| When will the penny drop? on 09:35 - Feb 23 with 771 views | swan65split |
| When will the penny drop? on 21:19 - Feb 22 by builthjack |
He would keep coming back, creating a new user name minutes after being banned. Ooh, hang on.... |
Simply add address , and e mail , telephone contact number to request to join, then seeding a confirmation code by text? to access. the site, |  | | |
| When will the penny drop? on 09:37 - Feb 23 with 765 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| When will the penny drop? on 09:35 - Feb 23 by swan65split |
Simply add address , and e mail , telephone contact number to request to join, then seeding a confirmation code by text? to access. the site, |
… or an even crazier idea, people stop crying that others are correct in their opinions and have some self control instead of resorting to trolling every week trying to get a reaction, then complaining when you get replies.
Simple. [Post edited 23 Feb 2022 9:41]
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| When will the penny drop? on 09:58 - Feb 23 with 751 views | onehunglow |
LOOK.IT like this.
The abuse and snide remarks from the likes of Lifelong are rarely on topic and simply a topic is a conduit for them to take a chance to throw barbs at posters who have put their noses out of joint.
In this case,posters,like me ,have been proven to be right and this kills them. It is simply human nature . Their cages have been ratttled.#
I see no comments at all from Lifey about this topic,Nada,Rien,Dim.
I view this as trolling but that's my take .
There is a cadre too that join together and act in concert. Perfect examples seen when they discuss a poster between them and often to a username that has been killed off.
Now then....WHEN WILL THE PENNY DROP.
I would say -Mid May. | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 10:01 - Feb 23 with 749 views | STID2017 |
I seriously think all need to read the Lenny Johnrose MND update.
Sobering stuff and puts all this nonsense posturing in perspective | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 10:05 - Feb 23 with 745 views | Dr_Parnassus |
We had finally got back on topic too.
But no, trolls will be trolls.
I’m afraid STID to continue this like you have today after offering absolutely no opinion yet again, and then suggest it stops is a bit rich.
You should have maybe thought about that before you contributed to derailing yet another thread with your nonsense.
I gave you the opportunity to talk football and discuss what it is you actually disagree with, yet you bail.
I’m perfectly happy with my conduct, I won’t be altering it. | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 10:06 - Feb 23 with 741 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| When will the penny drop? on 01:05 - Feb 23 by SwaneeRiver |
Good post and I agree we all want him to start learning now.
It's seems though that he is not for turning.
However for the moment, until he gets the players he needs to complete his team in the summer, he needs to change to a 4.4.2 or against the likes of Bournemouth and Fulham even a 5.4.1.
The next 15 games are vital for him and the club, not so much in terms of league position, as I feel we are safe, but in terms of getting the fans back behind him.
Currently the bad feeling towards him is growing.
He needs to stop it before it becomes a crescendo |
A reminder of the last on topic post before the gang turned up…
Discuss | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 10:13 - Feb 23 with 738 views | STID2017 |
Very sad to see that a certain poster does not have the humanity in them to look beyond the nonsense and point scoring on here and think of a former player who is sadly suffering.
Ironic that he accuses others of taking the post off topic yet spends much of his time derailing this and other posts.
Anyway my thoughts are with Lenny and his family at this very difficult time for them all | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 10:17 - Feb 23 with 735 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| When will the penny drop? on 10:13 - Feb 23 by STID2017 |
Very sad to see that a certain poster does not have the humanity in them to look beyond the nonsense and point scoring on here and think of a former player who is sadly suffering.
Ironic that he accuses others of taking the post off topic yet spends much of his time derailing this and other posts.
Anyway my thoughts are with Lenny and his family at this very difficult time for them all |
Aaaaaand he is straight back to it | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 10:20 - Feb 23 with 730 views | Dr_Parnassus |
We’ll try again…
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| When will the penny drop? on 10:26 - Feb 23 with 726 views | onehunglow |
| When will the penny drop? on 10:20 - Feb 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
We’ll try again…
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How do do those arrows?
Nobody has ever marked my forum homework like that.
Anyway,any news on the topic? | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 15:08 - Feb 23 with 682 views | sw02sea |
Are we talking old pence, or new pence for this penny ?
Because as far as I and 99% of my Swans mates are concerned, we’ve got about as much chance of old pence coming back, than Martin has of changing from his PLAN A
You wouldn’t call him stupid, after all he owns 2 successful Vegetarian businesses, talked his way into an ex-Premiership set up after finishing 19th & 13th in league 1, and said he’s learning from his mistakes, and admitted so after the Sheffield game. (I think he blamed himself in another game as well)
You could call him stubborn, because the players are trying to stick to his plan, albeit half of them lack the skills to play it, yet he still persists in playing it, then throws them under the bus for various questionable reasons IE. fitness, not carrying out his instructions, not being physical enough ect
Or on reflection, if someone carries on not learning from his mistakes, and won’t change his ways, I suppose you’d have to call him stupid and stubborn | | | |
| When will the penny drop? on 16:21 - Feb 23 with 673 views | onehunglow |
| When will the penny drop? on 15:08 - Feb 23 by sw02sea |
Are we talking old pence, or new pence for this penny ?
Because as far as I and 99% of my Swans mates are concerned, we’ve got about as much chance of old pence coming back, than Martin has of changing from his PLAN A
You wouldn’t call him stupid, after all he owns 2 successful Vegetarian businesses, talked his way into an ex-Premiership set up after finishing 19th & 13th in league 1, and said he’s learning from his mistakes, and admitted so after the Sheffield game. (I think he blamed himself in another game as well)
You could call him stubborn, because the players are trying to stick to his plan, albeit half of them lack the skills to play it, yet he still persists in playing it, then throws them under the bus for various questionable reasons IE. fitness, not carrying out his instructions, not being physical enough ect
Or on reflection, if someone carries on not learning from his mistakes, and won’t change his ways, I suppose you’d have to call him stupid and stubborn |
Good posting.
It’s why I see Russ as dangerous He is smart and obviously ambitious .
I’ve interviewed God Knows how many on my lifetime and Russ would have been a compelling interview . He sells himself well,so much so ,ordinary folk are taken in through their basic honesty or that which they perceive in a chap they only hear and see on telly.
In going to a job interview in a recent Premier League club as we were would or should have taken some planning . At most interviews,much drivel is spouted without much real prominence . Our Winter has swallowed it whole ,without doubt .
Potter was equally smart ,considered but more circumspect and he couldn’t wait to join the massive and famous Brighton and Hove Albion eschewing the fantastic city and people of Swansea .
If Martin s businesses are in Brighton then hopefully he will soon want to be more hands on and take his hands off our club . | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 18:50 - Feb 23 with 651 views | shingle |
| When will the penny drop? on 09:17 - Feb 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
The trolls coming out in force now
Resigned to defeat on us being correct with the way the season is panning out with these tactics and resigned to defeat that I simply will not give in to trolling.
Sorry chaps, not happening. |
Sadly for you you is happening its just that you are the only one who can not see it, but that is down to this problem you are obviously suffering from, again my offer to help you is still there.  | | | |
| When will the penny drop? on 18:57 - Feb 23 with 647 views | STID2017 |
| When will the penny drop? on 18:50 - Feb 23 by shingle |
Sadly for you you is happening its just that you are the only one who can not see it, but that is down to this problem you are obviously suffering from, again my offer to help you is still there. |
May as well talk to a brick wall Shingle.
Get a more sensible response | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 19:18 - Feb 23 with 636 views | Catullus |
You know what, I get as bored of Dr P as anyone but I walk away. We could look at what's more important, take a squiz at the Lenny Johnrose thread maybe.
Here's a thought  because you know what, bad things happen every day and this little contretemps is hardly worth the effort. | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 19:28 - Feb 23 with 628 views | STID2017 |
| When will the penny drop? on 19:18 - Feb 23 by Catullus |
You know what, I get as bored of Dr P as anyone but I walk away. We could look at what's more important, take a squiz at the Lenny Johnrose thread maybe.
Here's a thought because you know what, bad things happen every day and this little contretemps is hardly worth the effort. |
Fair point.
I agree.
I have already posted on the thread about Lenny.
So tragic and as I have said a couple of times puts things in perspective | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 19:57 - Feb 23 with 622 views | sw02sea |
| When will the penny drop? on 19:28 - Feb 23 by STID2017 |
Fair point.
I agree.
I have already posted on the thread about Lenny.
So tragic and as I have said a couple of times puts things in perspective |
Yes, come on gents give it a rest. It was a simple enough headed thread of “When will the penny drop?”
Because there’s a shedfull of fans out there, that are as totally pi$$ed off, with RM’s system and the suicidal football played out from at best, a dodgy keeper, to players already heavily marked.
Plus all the sideways passing, and no pace.
And as is says on the tin… “When will the penny drop” for Russell Martin ? ? ? ? | | | |
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