| New Stadium on 00:08 - Apr 27 with 2704 views | barbicanranger |
I like the sound of steep rakes |  | |  |
| New Stadium on 00:32 - Apr 27 with 2669 views | stainrods_elbow |
| New Stadium on 16:54 - Apr 26 by Dean |
No one appears to be remotely concerned that we haven't needed a 30,000 stadium since about 1976. Even during our period in the top flight from the 80's to the mid 90's we very rarely sold out our 20,000 odd stadium unless Utd or Liverpool were in town. Apart from the Oldham & Wigan Play offs and Arsenal Fa Cup 0-6 battering I don't recall ever struggling to get a ticket for a home game. I think its a tad optimistic to assume that if we build a 30,000 lovely stadium with ample leg room that all of a sudden 15,000 more people are going to decide to come and watch us and the durge we are currently serving up. The constant mentions of non match day revenue point to the club wanting to host boxing and concerts on those days which is fine, but we did that at Loftus Road in the 80's successfully, Millwall were made similar promises when their board forced them to move from the Old Den and now have a stadium half full every week and no such boxing or music gigs taking place.
I'm all for expansion if it is necessary - Arsenal having 20,000 people they couldn't grant season tickets at 38,000 Highbury, but I don't see where our need for 30,000 comes from, surely a 22,000 with room to expand to 30,000 would be more sensible?. We struggled with our squad this season, are losing half that squad which struggled (including the possibility of losing Freeman)have no other transfer funds available and are relying on the kids next season, by the time this stadium comes around we could easily be in League one in a beautiful new empty stadium like Darlington's.
If being in the top division from 1983 to 1996 wasn't enough to fill our stadium I don't see how or why the board are so desperate/ naive to think we are going to fill one which is bigger. |
They're not - they want to make the club more profitable, dip into property/community 'development' as the excuse for same, and reap the dividends. Hoos knows little of the club's history, fan-base and obvious counter-arguments against moving, and cares less. We're being sold a literally soul-destroying house-move that could very easily go horribly tits-up for some of the reasons one or two of our more intelligent, critically thinking fans are already expressing - though, sadly, I doubt it'll matter in the end.
I don't believe that a modernisation/renovation plan for Loftus Road, working in with H & F Council as they themselves have invited us to do, could not help us raise capacity to some worthwhile degree, improve facilities, and augment non match-day revenue. I have yet to see any legal documentation from the borough saying the entire ground has to stay exactly as it is. Safe standing could be another thing to consider in this context, but, again, Hoos doesn't understand it and/or doesn't want to. Finally, for a club of our size and history, comparisons with the likes of Spurs are odious, not to mention risible.
I would be most interested to see, say, Bournemouth's balance sheet for both match-day and non match-day revenue on crowds of c. 11,000, who miraculously do compete in the Premiership in ways which we are repeatedly told we can't - even though they do and we have. I've been watching QPR at Loftus Road since 1976, so I don't need a man who's been at QPR three years to try and railroad me into something no compelling evidence has been laid out for. But then again, I'm a very strange person, apparently, so I'm probably just spouting lunacy. [Post edited 27 Apr 2019 0:33]
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| New Stadium on 05:28 - Apr 27 with 2602 views | timcocking |
Sweet Jesus if there's any justice in this world, please give us safe standing... |  | | |
| New Stadium on 06:50 - Apr 27 with 2580 views | enfieldargh |
The Peter Qdemwingi car park? |  |
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| New Stadium on 07:56 - Apr 27 with 2511 views | DWQPR |
On the leasehold/freehold issue I very much suspect that this will relate to the land the stadium would be built on and not the stadium itself in much the same way as Warren Farm where the club has negotiated a 200 year lease but are responsible for the buildings and maintenance and also benefit from any income generated from the facilities. So that would be the same for the stadium. Nothing like the Coventry situation whereby they never owned the ground and needed 22,000 spectators every game to cover their rent. The council will still benefit from ground rent on a site that is costing them a small fortune every year, will not need to cover the cost of development (like to see them justify to rate payers the cost of a 45,000 seater venue that will no doubt become a white elephant in time), or the continued maintenance and provide facilities for other sporting clubs and as QPR’s documents allude to would see a loss of revenue to businesses and also additional cost through the loss within the area of the QPR community trust. Personally I think this is nailed on. The only sticking point I feel is away from the site and involves Rangers’ plans for the redevelopment of Loftus Road. |  |
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| New Stadium on 08:16 - Apr 27 with 2476 views | QPR_Jim |
| New Stadium on 00:32 - Apr 27 by stainrods_elbow |
They're not - they want to make the club more profitable, dip into property/community 'development' as the excuse for same, and reap the dividends. Hoos knows little of the club's history, fan-base and obvious counter-arguments against moving, and cares less. We're being sold a literally soul-destroying house-move that could very easily go horribly tits-up for some of the reasons one or two of our more intelligent, critically thinking fans are already expressing - though, sadly, I doubt it'll matter in the end.
I don't believe that a modernisation/renovation plan for Loftus Road, working in with H & F Council as they themselves have invited us to do, could not help us raise capacity to some worthwhile degree, improve facilities, and augment non match-day revenue. I have yet to see any legal documentation from the borough saying the entire ground has to stay exactly as it is. Safe standing could be another thing to consider in this context, but, again, Hoos doesn't understand it and/or doesn't want to. Finally, for a club of our size and history, comparisons with the likes of Spurs are odious, not to mention risible.
I would be most interested to see, say, Bournemouth's balance sheet for both match-day and non match-day revenue on crowds of c. 11,000, who miraculously do compete in the Premiership in ways which we are repeatedly told we can't - even though they do and we have. I've been watching QPR at Loftus Road since 1976, so I don't need a man who's been at QPR three years to try and railroad me into something no compelling evidence has been laid out for. But then again, I'm a very strange person, apparently, so I'm probably just spouting lunacy. [Post edited 27 Apr 2019 0:33]
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If you renovate Loftus Road it will be subject to Building Regulations, having H&F on side will not reduce the access requirements for a new stadium and won't allow us to bypass the right for light planning issues so the council's support is practically useless.
I thought the Idea with safe standing was that there is a fold out seat with each position and it doesn't actually increase capacity but I might be wrong on that.
P.s Bournemouth ignored FFP to get promoted and now don't need to comply as are in the premier League reliant on funds from the owner. Not exactly sustainable is it! |  | | |
| New Stadium on 09:11 - Apr 27 with 2417 views | distortR |
I'd be very disappointed not to find wayne feredays tache lurking in any prospective museum | | | |
| New Stadium on 09:34 - Apr 27 with 2378 views | DejR_vu |
| New Stadium on 07:56 - Apr 27 by DWQPR |
On the leasehold/freehold issue I very much suspect that this will relate to the land the stadium would be built on and not the stadium itself in much the same way as Warren Farm where the club has negotiated a 200 year lease but are responsible for the buildings and maintenance and also benefit from any income generated from the facilities. So that would be the same for the stadium. Nothing like the Coventry situation whereby they never owned the ground and needed 22,000 spectators every game to cover their rent. The council will still benefit from ground rent on a site that is costing them a small fortune every year, will not need to cover the cost of development (like to see them justify to rate payers the cost of a 45,000 seater venue that will no doubt become a white elephant in time), or the continued maintenance and provide facilities for other sporting clubs and as QPR’s documents allude to would see a loss of revenue to businesses and also additional cost through the loss within the area of the QPR community trust. Personally I think this is nailed on. The only sticking point I feel is away from the site and involves Rangers’ plans for the redevelopment of Loftus Road. |
For the long-term safeguarding of the club, the club needs to own the stadium, end of. How do any of us know what the landscape will look like in 10 years, let alone 50 or 100, or 200? Anything can happen. The only tangible asset a club has is it’s stadium and the land it sits on. Accepting a lease arrangement just jeopardises the club for future generations. The club owned the stadium and land it sits on when the owners arrived, it should own them both when they leave...... but it won’t. | |
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| New Stadium on 09:42 - Apr 27 with 2362 views | rsonist |
| New Stadium on 00:08 - Apr 27 by barbicanranger |
I like the sound of steep rakes |
It's what we do.
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| New Stadium on 12:32 - Apr 27 with 2199 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| New Stadium on 09:34 - Apr 27 by DejR_vu |
For the long-term safeguarding of the club, the club needs to own the stadium, end of. How do any of us know what the landscape will look like in 10 years, let alone 50 or 100, or 200? Anything can happen. The only tangible asset a club has is it’s stadium and the land it sits on. Accepting a lease arrangement just jeopardises the club for future generations. The club owned the stadium and land it sits on when the owners arrived, it should own them both when they leave...... but it won’t. |
I’m not sure it’s the responsibility of the current owners to think about what the club will be like in 100-200 years time. That seems a bit mental. 30-50 years perhaps. Realistically they should be laying the foundations for the next 30 years. If they do that properly then we should be good for 50 years and beyond.
As for the new stadium itself. Regardless of current attendances 30,000 seems about right. I was at Pride Park on Monday which is 33,000 approx and could imagine us playing in a stadium around that size easy.
As for whether we need a new stadium i’d say yes but it needs to be an improvement on Loftus Rd. Good location. Good pitch. Good seating and acoustics should be the priority. I don’t want ott facilities like White Hart Lane. Just decent beer/ale, food, no cheese rooms ffs. Another thing i’d like to see is floodlights. I think they give stadiums a presence and character that some modern stadiums (like Pride Park) just don’t have.
Having said that I’d happily stay at LR but we’d probably have to accept Championship, League 1 as our level. It’s not a stadium in which we can easily grow as a club, attract new fans, etc. In a new stadium there would be no arguments about family stands etc because everyone’s needs could be catered for. Whether by pleasing everyone we would please no-one is, i guess, a concern.
It’s all well and good looking at Bournmouth as an example we should follow but they are the exception and will most likely be back at our level sooner or later. This is the most ambitious QPR have ever been in my lifetime. New training ground taking shape, serious plans for a new stadium. Let’s hope we don’t look back at this as a wasted opportunity. Perhaps it already is. |  |
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| New Stadium on 13:03 - Apr 27 with 2153 views | DWQPR |
| New Stadium on 09:34 - Apr 27 by DejR_vu |
For the long-term safeguarding of the club, the club needs to own the stadium, end of. How do any of us know what the landscape will look like in 10 years, let alone 50 or 100, or 200? Anything can happen. The only tangible asset a club has is it’s stadium and the land it sits on. Accepting a lease arrangement just jeopardises the club for future generations. The club owned the stadium and land it sits on when the owners arrived, it should own them both when they leave...... but it won’t. |
If you ever owned a flat it would more than likely have been leasehold. Most new flats will have a lease of 125 years to begin with and there would be safeguards around this. So a similar arrangement would probably suit. | |
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| New Stadium on 13:16 - Apr 27 with 2119 views | Toast_R |
Right, Loftus Road would have to be Bull Dozed to the ground to renovate. Literally every stand is no longer fit for purpose. Restricted/diabolical views, leg room, minute changing rooms, minimal corporate facilities available, tv gantry, concourses, toilets, pretty much everything is outdated. The plot of land is too small to build anything better with a bigger capacity. |  | | |
| New Stadium on 15:52 - Apr 27 with 2045 views | derbyhoop |
| New Stadium on 00:32 - Apr 27 by stainrods_elbow |
They're not - they want to make the club more profitable, dip into property/community 'development' as the excuse for same, and reap the dividends. Hoos knows little of the club's history, fan-base and obvious counter-arguments against moving, and cares less. We're being sold a literally soul-destroying house-move that could very easily go horribly tits-up for some of the reasons one or two of our more intelligent, critically thinking fans are already expressing - though, sadly, I doubt it'll matter in the end.
I don't believe that a modernisation/renovation plan for Loftus Road, working in with H & F Council as they themselves have invited us to do, could not help us raise capacity to some worthwhile degree, improve facilities, and augment non match-day revenue. I have yet to see any legal documentation from the borough saying the entire ground has to stay exactly as it is. Safe standing could be another thing to consider in this context, but, again, Hoos doesn't understand it and/or doesn't want to. Finally, for a club of our size and history, comparisons with the likes of Spurs are odious, not to mention risible.
I would be most interested to see, say, Bournemouth's balance sheet for both match-day and non match-day revenue on crowds of c. 11,000, who miraculously do compete in the Premiership in ways which we are repeatedly told we can't - even though they do and we have. I've been watching QPR at Loftus Road since 1976, so I don't need a man who's been at QPR three years to try and railroad me into something no compelling evidence has been laid out for. But then again, I'm a very strange person, apparently, so I'm probably just spouting lunacy. [Post edited 27 Apr 2019 0:33]
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Go and have a look at the site we currently have. It is small, hemmed in by houses (expensive ones, at that) and is incapable of any significant expansion. Add in the fact that the gangways behind the stands would, almost certainly, not meet current Health & Safety standards. Catering, toilets are all inadequate. 2 tier stands, at both ends, are expensive to steward. As Hoos has said on many occasions, non-match day usage is negligible and means we are missing out on additional revenue.
This club has L1 facilities and, if we don't do something about that, L1 is where we will be for a long time. Sure, a 30K stadium is more than we currently need but where's the ambition? |  |
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| New Stadium on 18:08 - Apr 27 with 1963 views | CamberleyR |
| New Stadium on 13:16 - Apr 27 by Toast_R |
Right, Loftus Road would have to be Bull Dozed to the ground to renovate. Literally every stand is no longer fit for purpose. Restricted/diabolical views, leg room, minute changing rooms, minimal corporate facilities available, tv gantry, concourses, toilets, pretty much everything is outdated. The plot of land is too small to build anything better with a bigger capacity. |
I've said before that were a football ground to be built today on LR's existing footprint, with modern building regs and H&S, it would probably get a 10k capacity stadium tops. If the stands were bulldozed and rebuilt to modern specs they would likely be half the size they are now.
Those above stating Bournemouth as a case of being able to survive in the PL with an 11k stadium are missing the point. They have been looking for a while for a site for a new, bigger ground mainly because they don't own Dean Court and haven't been able to buy it back. Eddie Howe himself has said they will never see the benefits of the PL without a new ground.
They know that should relegation happen (as it will eventually) and they are no longer trousering 120 million TV money a year that that stadium doesn't cut it outside the PL. |  |
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| New Stadium on 19:02 - Apr 27 with 1897 views | Boston |
...steep rake and a gable end please. | |
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| New Stadium on 19:19 - Apr 27 with 1868 views | DejR_vu |
| New Stadium on 13:03 - Apr 27 by DWQPR |
If you ever owned a flat it would more than likely have been leasehold. Most new flats will have a lease of 125 years to begin with and there would be safeguards around this. So a similar arrangement would probably suit. |
It’s absolutely nothing like a leasehold on a flat. You have a statutory right to extend on a residential leasehold.
Why on earth, given the utter incompetence of the current owners, would anyone trust them with anything? The club owned the land and stadium when they arrived, it should own them both when they leave. | |
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| New Stadium on 19:24 - Apr 27 with 1849 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
Way we are going, forget the stadium we will be playing on the scrubs. [Post edited 27 Apr 2019 19:24]
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| New Stadium on 19:34 - Apr 27 with 1821 views | Gloucs_R |
League 1 ground
League 1 facilities
League 1 attendances
League 1 squad
I think we've done quite well to be 17th in the Championship  |  |
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| New Stadium on 19:41 - Apr 27 with 1807 views | Hadders |
ScrubbRRRRRRRRRRRRs! I support the plan, though I'll miss our cramped little dump at Loftus Road. I strolled to the Lindford Christie stadium after a game recently and god, it seemed bleak around there, flat scrubland in the shadow of the high-walled, gloomy Victorian prison. We'll miss being part of the Bush. [Post edited 27 Apr 2019 21:31]
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| New Stadium on 19:44 - Apr 27 with 1792 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| New Stadium on 19:34 - Apr 27 by Gloucs_R |
League 1 ground
League 1 facilities
League 1 attendances
League 1 squad
I think we've done quite well to be 17th in the Championship |
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| New Stadium on 20:04 - Apr 27 with 1761 views | Gloucs_R |
Still impressive....🙄 | |
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| New Stadium on 20:17 - Apr 27 with 1724 views | Devon_4_England |
Positive news but would definitely want us to secure the freehold.
We have circa 8,000 season ticket holders currently and with the right ticket pricing strategy we could double this in year 1 of a 30k stadium.
Would be interesting to know our current membership numbers but having a bigger stadium would mean we could offer cheaper season tickets and individual match tickets.
I'll be gutted to leave Loftus Road but we do have the fanbase to be ambitious albeit more are lapsed than currently going |  | | |
| New Stadium on 21:51 - Apr 27 with 1614 views | Gloucs_R |
Love the new Juve stadium ðŸŸï¸ | |
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| New Stadium on 23:18 - Apr 27 with 1545 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
Interestingly when they show you a picture of the King Power Stadium, Leicester. I seem to be getting a picture of Filbert Street. | |
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