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I never thought for one second he was trying to catch the ball, always thought he was trying to punch the ball clear. If Hall had not got in his way that is what he would have done.
"Hall not got in his way"... F'kin hilarious mate....hilarious!
I never thought for one second he was trying to catch the ball, always thought he was trying to punch the ball clear. If Hall had not got in his way that is what he would have done.
Hall got in his way!
that's comedy gold..........
Green was too far out and should have stayed in his goal; Hall would have hoofed it (as he is proven to be a lot less flaky than Green in the short few months he's been here) and we'd have a point off one of the top teams.
i don't think this is a witch hunt and the points regarding Green are all believable and well constructed; you don't have to defend him because you are a member of the goalkeepers union.
Green was too far out and should have stayed in his goal; Hall would have hoofed it (as he is proven to be a lot less flaky than Green in the short few months he's been here) and we'd have a point off one of the top teams.
i don't think this is a witch hunt and the points regarding Green are all believable and well constructed; you don't have to defend him because you are a member of the goalkeepers union.
The OP is calling out Green as an" overpaid usless cnt" Nothing constructive in that. I havnt defended his error,it was Greens fault 100%. I just don't think the criticism levelled at Green is justified on balance. The whole team is under performing and Green is an easy target. He hasn't helped himself but the 10 outfield players havnt helped his course either. Just how I see it. I like Green,I think he's one of the good ones. We have posts on other threads about players who don't have the ability but put in the effort,so that's ok. Then other posts about players who have the talent but are just not putting the shift in and that's not ok obviously. I don't see Green in the latter. He's been a decent professional since he got here but he has a reputation for making blunders...which he does.But he's also a half decent keeper. I hope Smithies is a good keeper and he sticks around,he'll get his chance and hopefully he takes it, unlike McCarthy.
Green (this season) is intensely irritating for several reasons, however, I think his current situation would require Jeff Goldblum's best chaos-theorist impression, utilising drops of water and a raging tyrannosaurus that suffers with the most awful Chalfonts, made worse because his forelimbs are so short they can't apply the requisite creams and unguents. The dinosaur, not Goldblum.
Value (V) will equal [Length of contract (G) x Salary (S)] + Name (N) / [Potential Length of Service (P) x Depreciating Contribution (D)]
However, the values of P and D can be decreased incrementally by the application of R (or the Random Decision factor). This initiates the negative value of U (or the 'That Fcuking Goal Against The USA Memory Cache') which inverts the value N until R is reduced.
The appreciation clause, what scientists refer to as 'The Bluce Effect' (B) can be added, however, this is an unbalanced element within the equation. The addition of B requires that Green is played, exponentially increasing R.
And therein lies the problem.
Potential buyers will want R to be included in the equation in order to sell the idea of buying Green to their boards. However, it may unbalance the equation, negatively affecting V and creating an inverse effect to that which they were expecting.
This is the 'Greenian Paradox'. The more Green plays in order to prove his worth, the more valuable and less valuable he becomes. If Green is in goal and a cross comes in, the ball is both in the net and not in the net in the same space.
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'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!'
Hi, Green was not ready for a shot and was surprised that one came from distance. This means he is not concentrating on the game. Is other mistakes aer of the same ilk.
We shall play him to Feb and then we should drop him as hes out anyway. And let Smithies have a go. At least then we shall know if he is either good enough or we need another keeper next year in the Champ.
We have to think long term.
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Hi, Whether Green would have cleared it had Hall not got the ball is actually now irrelevant. We can see from Hall's approach that the Defence no longer trust Green to make the right call. They feel they have to clear it no matter what, as they see Green as a liability.
As I stated before we should drop Green if we have not moved him on by the end of transfer window which is unfortunately the most likely outcome. We should drop him in Feb for Smithers who is the future.
In fact we should do this in Cup this weekend so, we can have Smithers get some game time before he starts in Feb full time. Also Rest our key players or players we do not want cup-tied as we wish to move them on. Such as Hall, Faurlin, Sandros, Austin, Phillips, Fer, Henry (in last year of his contract, someone remind him).
Provide game time to: Smithers, Furlong, Petrasso, Luongo, JET, Mackie, Chery, Doughty and Gladwin who I believe returns on the 9th. We won't win the Cup and getting through to any other round as we know will only end up on live TV as another embarrassment. Best to look to next year in the Champ now and know our gaps for that season up front, rather than 4 weeks into the new season.
As far as I'm concerned Green should be dropped hence forth and only brought back should Smithies be injured. Green is an absolute pest to the defence.
How much more evidence does Jimmy need before he does us all a favour and gets rid of this bloke. He is not even a half decent keeper and prone to so many blunders as most have us witnessed unfortunately. The poor guys playing in front of him have my full sympathy. I can quite honestly state that in my nearly 50 years of watching the Rs he is by far the worst keeper we have ever had.
How much more evidence does Jimmy need before he does us all a favour and gets rid of this bloke. He is not even a half decent keeper and prone to so many blunders as most have us witnessed unfortunately. The poor guys playing in front of him have my full sympathy. I can quite honestly state that in my nearly 50 years of watching the Rs he is by far the worst keeper we have ever had.
How much more evidence does Jimmy need before he does us all a favour and gets rid of this bloke. He is not even a half decent keeper and prone to so many blunders as most have us witnessed unfortunately. The poor guys playing in front of him have my full sympathy. I can quite honestly state that in my nearly 50 years of watching the Rs he is by far the worst keeper we have ever had.
Ridiculous statement.
Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah, his crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore.
Jurgen Sommer (apart from in that one Villa match)
Tony Roberts
Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah, his crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore.
Also, I'm pretty sure that for a long time in our shitty Prem season he was the keeper with the most saves.
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Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah, his crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore.
Also, I'm pretty sure that for a long time in our shitty Prem season he was the keeper with the most saves.
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Well in our last promotion season he wasn,t to clever either. As for most saves in the last Prem season, that tells you more about our defenders than anything else. So called stats can be made to tell you anything you want but I prefer to use my own eyes at the games I go and watch.
Well in our last promotion season he wasn,t to clever either. As for most saves in the last Prem season, that tells you more about our defenders than anything else. So called stats can be made to tell you anything you want but I prefer to use my own eyes at the games I go and watch.
LFW logic right there.
If it's a mistake then it's Green's fault not the defenders being shit.
If it's a save then it's the defenders' fault and not Green being good.
Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah, his crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore.
Also, I'm pretty sure that for a long time in our shitty Prem season he was the keeper with the most saves.
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Another little stat.. It was following our home win over Barnsley that saw Green break the record for consecutive clean sheets.
The goalkeeper registered an eighth shutout during victory over the Tykes, after keeping out Ipswich Town, Bolton Wanderers, Leeds United, Birmingham City, Brighton & Hove Albion, Yeovil and Middlesbrough previously.
The sad fact is all players reach a point where they suddenly deteriorate very quickly. Green was appalling for pretty much all of 2015 and it's highly unlikely he'll improve. Many thanks for some good memories in amongst all the shit ones but he's simply not good enough to be keeping Smithies out.
Richard Dunne in our defence then? Still think he could have done a job this season.
I'm assuming your hinting that Dunne was the reason for Greens record clean sheets? So if Greens form is good its because we have a good defence but if Greens form is bad its because the defence is bad.? Yeh sort of makes sense. But then the following season the defence was bad but Green made the most saves in the season which I guess is kinda good? This season the defence has been bad and Green has been bad so therefore the reason why we're losing football matches must be all Greens fault.?
I'm assuming your hinting that Dunne was the reason for Greens record clean sheets? So if Greens form is good its because we have a good defence but if Greens form is bad its because the defence is bad.? Yeh sort of makes sense. But then the following season the defence was bad but Green made the most saves in the season which I guess is kinda good? This season the defence has been bad and Green has been bad so therefore the reason why we're losing football matches must be all Greens fault.?
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I just think that if you're conceding a lot of goals it's not just a goalkeeper problem. And if you're keeping a lot of clean sheets the whole team are defending as a unit.
I just think that if you're conceding a lot of goals it's not just a goalkeeper problem. And if you're keeping a lot of clean sheets the whole team are defending as a unit.
Agree mate. We also got relegated when Green had the Highest save percentage (if that stat is right). So Green on form or not its about the rest of the team end of the day. I hope Smithies gets his chance but I can see why Green gets picked ahead of him at the moment.
I just think that if you're conceding a lot of goals it's not just a goalkeeper problem. And if you're keeping a lot of clean sheets the whole team are defending as a unit.
It's not necessarily a goalkeeping issue if the team are conceding a lot of goals - but a goalkeeper in poor form has a disproportionate effect on the team. In our case, Rob Green this season has been unreliable in whether he comes for crosses or not, whether he deals effectively with passes back or not and with his command in general of his area. This is bound to affect a defence because they just can't rely on what their goalkeeper is going to do.
I like Green and thought he saved us a few times last season. But this season he's been a liability on too many occasions and given that we won't extend his contract after the summer, it's got to make sense to give Smithies a chance if only to see if he can be a long term prospect. Frankly, I can't see that he's likely to be much worse because in addition to individual errors that have cost us points, he has also introduced uncertainty into the defence and that doesn't even take into account his poor distribution, which concedes possession more often than not. I don't want a witch hunt of Green, as I say he seems like a committed, nice guy but Smithies deserves his chance too.
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