| Public sector pay 09:10 - Dec 11 with 9057 views | raynor94 |
Government recommending 2.8% rise, with inflation running at 2.6 %.
Will be interesting to see what the pay review body say, but this looks like a collision course for the government | |
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| Public sector pay on 20:03 - Dec 12 with 981 views | max936 |
Not really, its the bloody minded stuff about Pensioners and the triple lock of 4.1% or whatever which may give them a yearly income of maybe over 12k which may even take them above the tax threshold so at the end of the day, it won't even be 4.1% in all reality and its being shouted down by someone who sits in an office probably a lot of the time and who is earning a hell of a lot more than 12k, begrudging pensioners who a fair many of have worked in manual jobs in various industries and are suffering from the work they did then, now they are in their latter years. Incredible. | |
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| Public sector pay on 20:04 - Dec 12 with 981 views | Gwyn737 |
I’m not sure what we’re disagreeing about?
I’ve said vacancies are a massive problem and that targeted are missed.
The figures I quoted are similar to the ones in the article you shared.
I think there’s a mix up somewhere…. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 20:09 - Dec 12 with 969 views | Whiterockin |
Probably, best leave it there. [Post edited 12 Dec 20:10]
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| Public sector pay on 20:14 - Dec 12 with 942 views | Gwyn737 |
Genuinely confused 🤷🏻 | | | |
| Public sector pay on 20:14 - Dec 12 with 942 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
8 or 9 percent is too high, 5 would be more manageable. It would be really interesting to see some detailed analysis on exactly what is happening. | |
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| Public sector pay on 21:54 - Dec 12 with 882 views | majorraglan |
I based it on a single person because many people who are looking for their first step on the property ladder are single like I was many years ago. When I bought my first house many years ago I maxed out on the affordability (it was 3.5 times my salary) and bought a house which needed a lot of work, so much so that I ended up gutting it.
If it’s a based on a couple it’s obviously a more affordable proposition, but for a single person that house in Swansea is a big commitment. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 22:02 - Dec 12 with 853 views | majorraglan |
Drakeford has explained that the increases are in part determined by demographics, particularly increasing and decreasing populations and also by the change in numbers of children going to school. There are other factors too, but the above are claimed to be the main drivers.
What we’re seeing is no different to what’s happened in the U.K. over the last 14 years, the Conservative areas were prioritised and other areas slipped down the pecking order. The failure to provide Wales with the compensatory funding Scotland and Northern Ireland received as part of the HS2 project is one such example as is the way Noris and the government spent the “levelling up “ funding in staunch blue seats instead.
Parties have always targeted the lions share of resources at their supporter base. [Post edited 12 Dec 22:03]
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| Public sector pay on 22:35 - Dec 12 with 805 views | majorraglan |
I’m not disagreeing that the U.K. pension is well below what some countries offer and more than what others offer. The problem we have is that many people don’t want to pay the level f tax needed to pay pension and the NHS and there’s a whole cohort who’ve never put in and want to take out! Balancing things out requires compromises.
In my view, people have to take some personal responsibility and those who work should be making provision for their future and that the state pension should be the cherry on the cake and not, as it is in many cases the only source of income people have. Those who have been unable to work or who have worked and fallen foul of scammers or rules which were inherently unfair to should be supported, but those who couldn't be bothered to graft and contribute should get a lot less.
I believe the State pension should be universal and just because someone has an occupational pension of £70k pa shouldn’t stop them getting the State Pension because they’ve contributed enough, but they shouldn’t get the WHA. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 22:59 - Dec 12 with 787 views | raynor94 |
I have a tidy private pension, which I contributed to for 42 years, but what I do find baffling is some going on about the triple lock and taking away the free prescriptions.
They are venting their spleen at the wrong people, how on earth did we manage back in the day | |
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| Public sector pay on 09:10 - Dec 13 with 693 views | Scotia |
I know exactly what the impact is and where it is coming from. It's easy to sort out too, as I've said before Milk needs to be about £5 a pint and eggs £1 each.
I am sorry I've annoyed you - I'm just considering the big picture cost of things.
I'm not begrudging pensioners anything, I'll be one in 20 years and my parents are now. But the triple lock costs at the very least £10 Billion pounds a year when compared to salary linked increases - thats 50% of the so called "blackhole.
To me salary linked increases seem to be fair, especially when people crticise public sector pay awards. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 09:41 - Dec 13 with 665 views | Algorfajack |
Let's not forget that the 'Living wage' is £26208 outside of London (£12.60ph x 40hrs x 52 wks & the Full state pension £11502.40 (£221.20pw x 52 wks)
4.1% is not really unfair based on that. | |
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| Public sector pay on 10:17 - Dec 13 with 633 views | controversial_jack |
It's not bad at all. The truth is, they just want to have a go at Labour and will use any reason to do so | | | |
| Public sector pay on 14:59 - Dec 13 with 546 views | SullutaCreturned |
Yes, I already said it somewhere, don't look at the percentages and look at the actual cash value.
I think our state pension is poor and should be higher. But then I also believe that all benefits should be means tested (A pension not being a benefit) and the WFA, free prescriptions, bus passes etc should only be for those who actually need them.
I looked it up, pensioner benefits cost the UK about 11.3 percent of the budget, around 138 billion this year, pensions will cost roughly 125 billion. 4.1%of that is around 5.25 billion I think so not sure where Scotia gets 10-15 billion from. That'd be up over 10%. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 20:03 - Dec 13 with 398 views | SullutaCreturned |
The chase for perpetual growth is the bad thing. As long as people keep on wanting more we will see this continue.
By more I mean larger numbers. it doesn't matter that those record pay packets are actually worth less in real terms as prices rise ahead of them. And the hyper inflated pay pacakes of CEO's sports stars, celebrities and even politicans just add to inflation.
People need to stop chasing bigger profits, bigger houses and cars and worry more about being happy. Constantly chasing more will only produce more misery. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 20:43 - Dec 13 with 379 views | Scotia |
The interesting thing in the article is that it says it can't last and will have to be got rid of because It's too expensive. It should never have been introduced in the first place.
The problem is that should any political party mention getting rid of it they're finished. Just look at the furore around the WHA.
The entire system and media needs massive revision. I get the feeling we're going to have to take a massive step back before we move forward. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 21:19 - Dec 13 with 363 views | max936 |
Yeah that's how you solve it raise the price of the products that cause the pollution you're an environmental impact accessor and that's your recommendation, dear me whatever you're paid its to much, what you do is clear you shut these places down until they put their house's in order, by investing in the proper equipment to make the waste they produce safe and dispose of it safely, you can have that one for free anymore advice and I'll add an extra 4.1% to my bill.
As regards the triple lock of 4,1% increase to the 12,500 yearly [approx] gives pensioners just over 13k a year. and that'll take them over the tax threshold so they pay tax on some of it, so 4.1% it won't be
If we say that the average wage of a public sector worker is 35k you add 2.8% onto that and it amounts to a £980 increase and you are saying that the 4.1% is unfair, unbelievable, absolutely clueless. | |
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| Public sector pay on 21:41 - Dec 13 with 340 views | raynor94 |
Excellent post Max, oh and he wants you to pay for your prescriptions as well.
The joys of growing old | |
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| Public sector pay on 21:52 - Dec 13 with 306 views | Gwyn737 |
The issue is if public sector pay continues to lag behind the private sector, as it has for pretty much the last 15 years, we won’t be able to fill posts.
Almost all public sector jobs are PAYE so a solid tax raiser. That money is use to pay pensions.
It’s a real worry. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 21:55 - Dec 13 with 304 views | Scotia |
You're missing the point. I don't want to raise the price people just need to pay what it costs to produce this stuff without destroying the environment, or eat / drink less
We won't do it, so it'll continue. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 22:42 - Dec 13 with 259 views | Scotia |
I don't want anyone who can't afford to pay for prescriptions to pay for them, but those who can should. No different to England.
No wonder this country is bankrupt. Everyone has to pay their own way in some form, there will be extremes at both ends but someone has to pay. The problem is we're massively in debt to public services but nobody wants to pay that debt.
Blame the immigrants I suppose. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 22:47 - Dec 13 with 253 views | max936 |
Not interested, I made my points clear.
No more from me, there's talkers and there's doer's . I know what I'd rather be and I know what you are.
Good Evening. | |
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| Public sector pay on 23:02 - Dec 13 with 245 views | Scotia |
Most people aren't interested and that's the problem.
I don't wish to offend but all I'm doing is pointing out the reality. | | | |
| Public sector pay on 23:10 - Dec 13 with 231 views | max936 |
Public sector wages are nothing to do with pensioners, Pensioners have paid their due's, but that's not good enough for some on this thread, disgusting.
Some on here want to spend 3 months in industry and I'd put money on some of them not lasting a week and will go back to sitting on their desks and comfy chairs, most of the pensioners that'll benefit from the triple lock are mostly from lowly paid manual work not all are skilled, some make it to retirement others don't for one reason or another I see those people through my working week.
Who's the next target the disabled I bet. Proper eye opener this thread fair do's. | |
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