| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? 20:43 - Jul 16 with 15781 views | GloryHunter |
Weather's getting me down now. We were promised vineyards, sunflowers, siestas, the lot. I even had to turn the heating on last night - in July! And don't tell me it's all explained by the "man-made climate change" theory, because it bloody well isn't. The mad greenies told us 20 years ago we'd be frying by now, and they were WRONG. So how come we actually have a Government department of "Energy and CLIMATE CHANGE"? Has there ever before been a government department based on a complete myth - like the department for slaying dragons and unicorns, for example? |  | | |  |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 23:06 - Jul 31 with 801 views | GloryHunter |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 13:32 - Jul 31 by R_from_afar |
Yes I have read about that. Some unknown party, with very sophisticated methods, deliberately and painstakingly hacked their e-mails. There were all sorts of public enquiries:
"Eight committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct.[15] However, the reports urged the scientists to avoid any such allegations in the future by taking steps to regain public confidence in their work, for example by opening up access to their supporting data, processing methods and software, and by promptly honouring freedom of information requests.[16] The scientific consensus that global warming is occurring as a result of human activity remained unchanged at the end of the investigations.[17]
The independent Science Assessment Panel's chair, Lord Oxburgh, stated that his team had found "absolutely no evidence of any impropriety whatsoever" and that "whatever was said in the emails, the basic science seems to have been done fairly and properly." He said that many of the criticisms and allegations of scientific misconduct had been made by people "who do not like the implications of some of the conclusions" reached by the CRU's scientists. The repeated FOI requests made by climate change sceptic Steve McIntyre and others "could have amounted to a campaign of harassment" and the issue of how FOI laws should be applied in an academic context remained unresolved.[89]
It appears that the hackers, and some of the press who leapt on the "scandal," are doing the political manipulating, not the other way round".
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"Yes I have read about that". But why don't you read the actual Climategate emails yourself? They are now in the public domain. Are you afraid that if you read them they will threaten your beliefs?
Here's a sample for you:
"Unfortunately, there is no way to “fix” the IPCC, and there never was. The reason is that its formation over 20 years ago was to support political and energy policy goals, not to search for scientific truth. I know this not only because one of the first IPCC directors told me so, but also because it is the way the IPCC leadership behaves. If you disagree with their interpretation of climate change, you are left out of the IPCC process. They ignore or fight against any evidence which does not support their policy-driven mission, even to the point of pressuring scientific journals not to publish papers which might hurt the IPCC’s efforts." | | | |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 09:15 - Aug 1 with 785 views | R_from_afar |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 20:49 - Jul 31 by TW_R |
What about 97%?   |
Sees bait, ignores bait 
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| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 09:19 - Aug 1 with 789 views | R_from_afar |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 20:37 - Jul 31 by loftboy |
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The LIA began in approx. 1500. There were no thermoscopes with scales - "thermometers" - until some time between 1611 to 1613 and no standard scale until 1724. All unhelpful.
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| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 09:28 - Aug 1 with 784 views | hoopstilidie |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 09:19 - Aug 1 by R_from_afar |
The LIA began in approx. 1500. There were no thermoscopes with scales - "thermometers" - until some time between 1611 to 1613 and no standard scale until 1724. All unhelpful.
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Millions of years ago there were no cameras but we still have a pretty good idea what dinosaurs looked like. |  |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 09:35 - Aug 1 with 782 views | R_from_afar |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 23:06 - Jul 31 by GloryHunter |
"Yes I have read about that". But why don't you read the actual Climategate emails yourself? They are now in the public domain. Are you afraid that if you read them they will threaten your beliefs?
Here's a sample for you:
"Unfortunately, there is no way to “fix” the IPCC, and there never was. The reason is that its formation over 20 years ago was to support political and energy policy goals, not to search for scientific truth. I know this not only because one of the first IPCC directors told me so, but also because it is the way the IPCC leadership behaves. If you disagree with their interpretation of climate change, you are left out of the IPCC process. They ignore or fight against any evidence which does not support their policy-driven mission, even to the point of pressuring scientific journals not to publish papers which might hurt the IPCC’s efforts." |
I am prepared to trust independent committees, esp. when there are eight of them.
The IPCC is an association of climate scientists, rather than a self-contained research institute. There are plenty of independent organsations who are convinced GW and CC are man made, e.g. the Met Office, NASA, Penn State University. It's not just the IPCC saying it.
I am not here to win an argument, I just want to show you how convinced the majority of climate experts and many governments are about this and to point out some of the human induced changes which have already started. I would ask you to also bear in mind that when it comes to lobbying and vested interests, the fossial fuel companies have a gigantic head start, far more political muscle and vastly greater funds.
So back on topic, here's to a great second season back in the Prem and if you see someone with a big chin and grey hair hugging one of those plane trees by the flats in South Africa Road, it might just be me. Spare a mung bean, guvnor?
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| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 10:12 - Aug 1 with 775 views | GloryHunter |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 09:35 - Aug 1 by R_from_afar |
I am prepared to trust independent committees, esp. when there are eight of them.
The IPCC is an association of climate scientists, rather than a self-contained research institute. There are plenty of independent organsations who are convinced GW and CC are man made, e.g. the Met Office, NASA, Penn State University. It's not just the IPCC saying it.
I am not here to win an argument, I just want to show you how convinced the majority of climate experts and many governments are about this and to point out some of the human induced changes which have already started. I would ask you to also bear in mind that when it comes to lobbying and vested interests, the fossial fuel companies have a gigantic head start, far more political muscle and vastly greater funds.
So back on topic, here's to a great second season back in the Prem and if you see someone with a big chin and grey hair hugging one of those plane trees by the flats in South Africa Road, it might just be me. Spare a mung bean, guvnor?
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Here are some more 0f the Climategate emails for you:
"I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline."
"The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate."
"Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment — minor family crisis. Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new email address. We will be getting Caspar to do likewise."
"Phil and I have recently submitted a paper using about a dozen NH records that fit this category, and many of which are available nearly 2K back—I think that trying to adopt a timeframe of 2K, rather than the usual 1K, addresses a good earlier point that Peck made w/ regard to the memo, that it would be nice to try to “contain” the putative “MWP”, even if we don’t yet have a hemispheric mean reconstruction available that far back."
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