| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? 20:43 - Jul 16 with 15857 views | GloryHunter |
Weather's getting me down now. We were promised vineyards, sunflowers, siestas, the lot. I even had to turn the heating on last night - in July! And don't tell me it's all explained by the "man-made climate change" theory, because it bloody well isn't. The mad greenies told us 20 years ago we'd be frying by now, and they were WRONG. So how come we actually have a Government department of "Energy and CLIMATE CHANGE"? Has there ever before been a government department based on a complete myth - like the department for slaying dragons and unicorns, for example? |  | | |  |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 10:12 - Jul 31 with 789 views | TW_R |
I love those low energy light bulbs. I don't think there's anything wrong with having to turn the lights on 60 minutes before you actually want to use a room. |  | | |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 12:18 - Jul 31 with 771 views | R_from_afar |
If you look back at my posts on this thread you will find that I have made many other points which do not mention the now legendary "97%".
Almost all of my input to this thread has involved answering climate sceptics' questions. I am looking forward to you answering *my* questions!
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 12:22 - Jul 31 with 769 views | R_from_afar |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 18:17 - Jul 30 by hoopstilidie |
You simply keep putting 2 and 2 together and getting 97 |
A toe is poked tentatively into the pool marked "puerile"...
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 12:28 - Jul 31 with 765 views | R_from_afar |
That's a low blow. Many of my points have been about completely different issues.
You keep omitting the word "climate" before scientist and I keep inserting it when I reply but then I think you are deliberately doing that to try and ridicule the pro anthropogenic GW argument.
I think I will start naming the organisations whose *climate* experts are convinced about manmade GW. Let's start with NASA.
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 12:34 - Jul 31 with 763 views | hoopstilidie |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 12:22 - Jul 31 by R_from_afar |
A toe is poked tentatively into the pool marked "puerile"...
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And resort to the insults again, as mentioned earlier.
Funny that. |  |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 12:36 - Jul 31 with 760 views | R_from_afar |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 18:21 - Jul 30 by loftboy |
So what accounted for the droughts pre-industrialisation then, maybe it was the herds if cows passing wind? |
The point is that scientists are saying that what we are doing to our climate is loading the dice in favour of extreme weather - storms, droughts etc. We are increasing the likelihood.
There have been and would be droughts without GHG emissions, due to solar activity, volcanic activity, deforestation, that sort of thing, I am in no way denying that.
Actually, your cows comment does remind me of an argument I have heard which says that the rise of livestock farming probably prevented an ice age going back a few thousand years. So, a positive, definitely. The trouble is that CO2 and other GHG emissions have kept rising and have moved beyond the point of being helpful to the climate, from the perspective of human civilisation.
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 12:47 - Jul 31 with 753 views | R_from_afar |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 19:10 - Jul 30 by stevec |
Yes R from afar (and Westbourne R) I accept your view but mine is that you or me can do absolutely nothing of influence so stop trying to pretend you can do something about it. Some things are far greater than us and if we all accepted this and got on with our lives there would be a lot less angst for everyone.
Despite your alarmist views, I cannot honestly see anything fundamentally changed over the last however many years. Tell me any tangible evidence that anyone can see with their own eyes. I don't mean 3% more pollution, ice caps melting, I mean stuff like Southend disappearing into the sea in fact any place anywhere disappearing into the sea and I'm not talking bits of cliff or frozen water - it just ain't happening.
Of course, if you were really serious about the planet, you wouldn't be going on about global warming, you'd be telling us that in our relatively short lifetime a population explosion from 4 billion people to 7 billion people on this planet has been the real danger to us both economically and environmentally but I suspect that's one area you don't want to go.
The consequence of that is something we can all be scared about.
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As I said earlier, we can do something about it, we reduce the manmade greenhouse gas emissions.
Call our views alarmist if you want but isn't it important to face up to what is actually happening now? I made posts earlier in this debate about areas of the UK which are threatened and you can add the Thames barrier in, the Thames is tidal. I also posted stuff about the Carteret Islands, the inhabitants cannot live there any more. Look at what is happening in the Horn of Africa, many of the refugees there are victims of failing rains.
Your point about overpopulation is a good one although GW and overpopulation compound each other. An earth with only 200m people, all living like we Westerners do (i.e. with big carbon footprints), might be OK for centuries, but billions of inhabitants? No chance. The population issue is probably the greater problem to be fair, but both need to be addressed as population levels can't be - legally and morally - reduced to manageable levels quickly.
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 12:50 - Jul 31 with 753 views | R_from_afar |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 22:16 - Jul 30 by loftboy |
In 10 pages of debate I haven't seen a single answer to what caused climate change before industrialisation. |
I'm not sure what you mean by this, please clarify.
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 13:32 - Jul 31 with 736 views | R_from_afar |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 22:17 - Jul 30 by GloryHunter |
RFA, you clearly feel strongly about this issue, and believe all the warmist propaganda, but has it never occurred to you that this story might be being manipulated for political ends? Are you not aware of the "Climategate" emails? |
Yes I have read about that. Some unknown party, with very sophisticated methods, deliberately and painstakingly hacked their e-mails. There were all sorts of public enquiries:
"Eight committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct.[15] However, the reports urged the scientists to avoid any such allegations in the future by taking steps to regain public confidence in their work, for example by opening up access to their supporting data, processing methods and software, and by promptly honouring freedom of information requests.[16] The scientific consensus that global warming is occurring as a result of human activity remained unchanged at the end of the investigations.[17]
The independent Science Assessment Panel's chair, Lord Oxburgh, stated that his team had found "absolutely no evidence of any impropriety whatsoever" and that "whatever was said in the emails, the basic science seems to have been done fairly and properly." He said that many of the criticisms and allegations of scientific misconduct had been made by people "who do not like the implications of some of the conclusions" reached by the CRU's scientists. The repeated FOI requests made by climate change sceptic Steve McIntyre and others "could have amounted to a campaign of harassment" and the issue of how FOI laws should be applied in an academic context remained unresolved.[89]
It appears that the hackers, and some of the press who leapt on the "scandal," are doing the political manipulating, not the other way round".
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 13:35 - Jul 31 with 733 views | R_from_afar |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 09:40 - Jul 31 by hoopstilidie |
Been prevalent throughout this thread. |
... but of course this sort of comment could never described as that:
"You simply keep putting 2 and 2 together and getting 97"
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 13:38 - Jul 31 with 727 views | baz_qpr |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 12:50 - Jul 31 by R_from_afar |
I'm not sure what you mean by this, please clarify.
Thanks,
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I guess he is talking about the little ice age and the medieval warm period |  | | |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 13:39 - Jul 31 with 726 views | R_from_afar |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 12:34 - Jul 31 by hoopstilidie |
And resort to the insults again, as mentioned earlier.
Funny that. |
I didn't think I had been insulting but I apologise if you think I have.
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 13:40 - Jul 31 with 725 views | hoopstilidie |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 13:35 - Jul 31 by R_from_afar |
... but of course this sort of comment could never described as that:
"You simply keep putting 2 and 2 together and getting 97"
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No it couldn't. I was commenting on the fact that you kept going back to the 97% answer regardless of the question. Exactly as Clive has mentioned, just in less words. That's not an insult it's an observation.
Anybody reading through this thread will see where the insults come from.
At the end of the day you can choose to believe whatever you like, it doesn't make you right and it doesn't make you wrong, it makes you have a viewpoint that's all. I believe opposite, again a viewpoint.
The difference between people that believe what you believe and people that believe what I believe is that those that share my viewpoint don't feel the need to insult those that don't.
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 13:41 - Jul 31 with 722 views | R_from_afar |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 10:12 - Jul 31 by TW_R |
I love those low energy light bulbs. I don't think there's anything wrong with having to turn the lights on 60 minutes before you actually want to use a room. |
The older ones are that bad, I still have one like that but the latest ones are fine, 80% power in a second, 100% in 5 seconds, I'd say. We have the 100W equivs in our bathrooms (only 2, not 5, we are not in a mansion) and they are fine, even for tweezering my monobrow (sigh)).
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 13:46 - Jul 31 with 713 views | loftboy |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 12:50 - Jul 31 by R_from_afar |
I'm not sure what you mean by this, please clarify.
Thanks,
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meaning the earth was heating up and cooling down before manmade products were about, so what caused the climate changes then? Not really a difficult question. |  |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 13:51 - Jul 31 with 708 views | R_from_afar |
I did not link the two, I did not say, nor am I saying, that the 97% of climate scientists who say GW is manmade all say that the outcomes I mentioned will occur. I did not say that.
However, some - and I do not have the precise number to hand - have said that our GHG emissions are loading the dice in favour of the sort of consequences I mentioned specifically. I doubt many of the 97% would see GW as a positive thing but equally, not all of them have stated that publicly, it has to be said.
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 14:23 - Jul 31 with 701 views | WeAreQPR12 |
After 11 pages of interesting reading and I know Ted has already contributed but I just wondered his opinion once again on global warming? |  | | |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 14:25 - Jul 31 with 700 views | WeAreQPR12 |
Come on Ted, sign us off with another classic! | | | |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 18:09 - Jul 31 with 676 views | R_from_afar |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 13:46 - Jul 31 by loftboy |
meaning the earth was heating up and cooling down before manmade products were about, so what caused the climate changes then? Not really a difficult question. |
Solar activity, variations in the earth's orbit, volcanic activity, and comet/meteor strikes but also changes mankind made to habitats, like large scale deforestation and overgrazing. Deforestation in W Africa apparently changed the climate there and the deforestation in the Amazon today is affecting rainfall patterns in Australia and the Americas.
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 18:34 - Jul 31 with 671 views | R_from_afar |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 13:38 - Jul 31 by baz_qpr |
I guess he is talking about the little ice age and the medieval warm period |
The Medieval Warm Period is perplexing but here's an explanation. In a nutshell, the warming did not occur across the globe; the tropical Pacific was much cooler than today, for instance.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/medieval-warm-period.htm
The Daily Mail recently got their knuckles rapped for trying to use the Medieval Warm Period as a weapon in their fight against those who say today's GW is caused by man. Someone complained to the Press Complaints mob that the sroty was misleading and the complaint was withheld.
The Little Ice Age has not been explained conclusively but the exceptionally low solar activity which coincided with it has been seen as the most likely cause:
Skeptical Science say: "The Little Ice Age remains for the present the subject of speculation. The most likely influence during this period is variable output from the sun combined with pronounced volcanic activity. We know that from the end of the LIA to the 1950s the sun’s output increased. But since WW2 the sun has slowly grown quieter, yet the temperature on Earth has gone up.
The sceptical argument that current warming is a continuation of the same warming that ended the LIA is unlikely. There is a lack of evidence for a suitable forcing (e.g. the sun) and numerous correlations with known natural forcings that can account for the LIA itself, and the subsequent climate recovery. Taken in isolation, the LIA might cast doubt on the theory of climate change. Considered alongside the empirical evidence, model predictions and a century of scientific research into the climate, recovery from the LIA is not a plausible theory to explain the observed evidence and rate of global climate change".
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 18:36 - Jul 31 with 667 views | hoopstilidie |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 18:34 - Jul 31 by R_from_afar |
The Medieval Warm Period is perplexing but here's an explanation. In a nutshell, the warming did not occur across the globe; the tropical Pacific was much cooler than today, for instance.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/medieval-warm-period.htm
The Daily Mail recently got their knuckles rapped for trying to use the Medieval Warm Period as a weapon in their fight against those who say today's GW is caused by man. Someone complained to the Press Complaints mob that the sroty was misleading and the complaint was withheld.
The Little Ice Age has not been explained conclusively but the exceptionally low solar activity which coincided with it has been seen as the most likely cause:
Skeptical Science say: "The Little Ice Age remains for the present the subject of speculation. The most likely influence during this period is variable output from the sun combined with pronounced volcanic activity. We know that from the end of the LIA to the 1950s the sun’s output increased. But since WW2 the sun has slowly grown quieter, yet the temperature on Earth has gone up.
The sceptical argument that current warming is a continuation of the same warming that ended the LIA is unlikely. There is a lack of evidence for a suitable forcing (e.g. the sun) and numerous correlations with known natural forcings that can account for the LIA itself, and the subsequent climate recovery. Taken in isolation, the LIA might cast doubt on the theory of climate change. Considered alongside the empirical evidence, model predictions and a century of scientific research into the climate, recovery from the LIA is not a plausible theory to explain the observed evidence and rate of global climate change".
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In other (shorter) words, they don't have a clue. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 18:47 - Jul 31 with 661 views | R_from_afar |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 18:36 - Jul 31 by hoopstilidie |
In other (shorter) words, they don't have a clue. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Would it be good scientific practice to claim *100%* understanding of a phenomenon which occurred 500 years ago, i.e. hundreds of years before the dawn of modern science?
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 18:51 - Jul 31 with 821 views | hoopstilidie |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 18:47 - Jul 31 by R_from_afar |
Would it be good scientific practice to claim *100%* understanding of a phenomenon which occurred 500 years ago, i.e. hundreds of years before the dawn of modern science?
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You tell me, they are claiming 100% understanding for events that haven't happened yet so I would have thought that events that have happened would have been a cakewalk. | |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 20:37 - Jul 31 with 807 views | loftboy |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 18:51 - Jul 31 by hoopstilidie |
You tell me, they are claiming 100% understanding for events that haven't happened yet so I would have thought that events that have happened would have been a cakewalk. |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 20:49 - Jul 31 with 797 views | TW_R |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 18:47 - Jul 31 by R_from_afar |
Would it be good scientific practice to claim *100%* understanding of a phenomenon which occurred 500 years ago, i.e. hundreds of years before the dawn of modern science?
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What about 97%?   | | | |
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