| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects 06:37 - May 16 with 14075 views | RonaldStump |
What is the real source of truth for the latest rise in cases in Glasgow?
6 people who have had the vaccine are currently being treated for complications in Glasgow.
What is the REAL truth?
Isn't it strange how vaccinated people are coming down with the CHY NA virus (Kung Flu) or one of it's variant double or triple mutant versions?
It's either the jab doesn't do what it's supposed to or it actually does?
With no long term studies on this new medicine miracle, but plenty coming out about the effects it's having on the immune system.
Why is there a need for healthy people to get jabbed when they have a 99.7% chance of surviving anyway. (more to the point why are we jabbing our kids?)
Far more questions than answers at the moment
cue Anti vaxxer abuse from the usual crowd! [Post edited 16 May 2021 6:57]
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:04 - May 17 with 1006 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:57 - May 17 by Professor |
And these are the charlatans and bandwagoneers I called out from the start. Yes, there are liars as in every profession. But few. As I said a year ago there is a bandwagon to publish, and a lot more poor science has got through in this flurry. This is now being recognised and the quality and integrity are better. It’s a fault of the system and hard to blame some guy in India, Israel, Iceland or Iowa who has to publish to maintain his or her job. |
Is the CDC a bunch of "neanderthals" Prof?
Is there any evidence all this time later that the virus came from bats Prof?
Is the different outcomes among different racial groups (although the term racial group increasingly makes little sense to me, we all have ancestry from all over the place) as a result of the pandemic irrefutable evidence institutional racism Prof?
(According to Fauci it is - that man is a f*cking fraud, there I said it, sue me...I don't care about his qualifications, I know how to tell when somebody is lying to me) |  |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:06 - May 17 with 1003 views | Scotia |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:40 - May 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
What you didn't read was the VAERS database entries.
Death within 2 days from immediate adverse reaction to the Vaccine and you think there is no causal relationship?
OK.
You also miss the point, the point was that these Vaccines have more reported deaths than all other Vaccines combined over the last 20 years.
Those other Vaccines also would not have totally proven causal relationships. [Post edited 17 May 2021 13:42]
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So you think all of the other deaths following different vaccinations are recorded with the same level of scrutiny?
I used the example of my Grandfather earlier. Old and ill people do die unfortunately. There's a good chance that around 90% of the elderly people who have died since March this year had been given a covid jab, did that jab kill them all?
Was my grandfather given a leaflet after his last flu vaccine getting him to record even the most minor of side effects? No. I was given one after receiving my Covid jab as are the 100's of millions of others fortunate enough to be vaccinated. The more you look for something the more likely you are to find it, even if it is a coincidental relationship. It just proves how much scrutiny is given to the safety of the covid vaccines. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:14 - May 17 with 985 views | Gwyn737 |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:55 - May 17 by Ajack_Kerouac |
Noooooo!!!!
All scientists are right all of the time...unless they contradict each other, in which case go with the science that most closely aligns with your own political views 
It is hard to believe that people this naive are grown men with families and careers sometimes it really is. |
Some scientists think the work is flat. There's little consensus on anything. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:29 - May 17 with 958 views | Jack123 |
I think from now on, when out and about if anyone questions my vaccine status, I will say I've had it, because that's all I'm seeing today are articles about restrictions not being lifted on 21st June due to people not having their jab. I don't want them venting their anger on me.
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:31 - May 17 with 952 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:06 - May 17 by Scotia |
So you think all of the other deaths following different vaccinations are recorded with the same level of scrutiny?
I used the example of my Grandfather earlier. Old and ill people do die unfortunately. There's a good chance that around 90% of the elderly people who have died since March this year had been given a covid jab, did that jab kill them all?
Was my grandfather given a leaflet after his last flu vaccine getting him to record even the most minor of side effects? No. I was given one after receiving my Covid jab as are the 100's of millions of others fortunate enough to be vaccinated. The more you look for something the more likely you are to find it, even if it is a coincidental relationship. It just proves how much scrutiny is given to the safety of the covid vaccines. |
"It just proves how much scrutiny is given to the safety of the covid vaccines. "
Nothing to do with the fact that you and all the others are taking part in the Phase 3 trials then.
You prove my point with your grandfather, in the USA would he have been recorded as Flu Vaccine death.
Who knows, all we do know is that there are more COVID Vaccine reports than an for other vaccine.
You cannot possibly argue against that simple point. [Post edited 17 May 2021 15:22]
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:33 - May 17 with 947 views | Scotia |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:29 - May 17 by Jack123 |
I think from now on, when out and about if anyone questions my vaccine status, I will say I've had it, because that's all I'm seeing today are articles about restrictions not being lifted on 21st June due to people not having their jab. I don't want them venting their anger on me.
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Why don't you just get the vaccine?
You'd be helping us get out of lockdown too. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:34 - May 17 with 945 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:04 - May 17 by Ajack_Kerouac |
Is the CDC a bunch of "neanderthals" Prof?
Is there any evidence all this time later that the virus came from bats Prof?
Is the different outcomes among different racial groups (although the term racial group increasingly makes little sense to me, we all have ancestry from all over the place) as a result of the pandemic irrefutable evidence institutional racism Prof?
(According to Fauci it is - that man is a f*cking fraud, there I said it, sue me...I don't care about his qualifications, I know how to tell when somebody is lying to me) |
CDC-has issues, largely as can be too bureaucratic and sometimes lacks foresight in public health issues (which are wider problem in the US as economy takes more precedence over public health than Europe). That depends entirely what you prioritise.
Source-very likely bats. They are big carriers of Beta coronaviruses (I know more about the gamma types that infect birds). Pretty much ubiquitous in bats in Asia ( https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-21240-1). Given bats have previous (Nippah & Hendra) as sources of emerging zoonoses is probably 90% likely-though more likely a perturbance of habitat than consumption. Would say another animal second most likely, but no one can say 100% it's not an accidental release, though this is highly unlikely as there will far more mutation and variation driven in a natural population.
There seems to be plenty of evidence that socio-economic status, which can be a proxy of 'racial groups' -yes ugly term I agree., is associated with poor outcome. However, its a stretch to say this is racism. So Fauci is wrong there. I would also suggest there may be some genetic links to susceptibility-certianly some gene families associated with immunity have genetic linkage to other traits. We have co-evolved with our diseases-sickle cell anaemia in those of Black African descent and Cystic Fibrosis in White Europeans are genetic mutations that are likely evolved to deal with endemic disease (malaria & typhoid) and remain in these population.
That said if you think Fauci is a fraud, you don't know so much about science. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:41 - May 17 with 927 views | Jack123 |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:33 - May 17 by Scotia |
Why don't you just get the vaccine?
You'd be helping us get out of lockdown too. |
Don't fancy taking it just yet. I remember watching the ITV news just before Christmas, and the the female newsreader, for 20 plus minutes, it death, doom death death, and then at the end she smiled and said 'don't worry some good news, the vaccine is on the way', that's when I decided not to take it it. | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:44 - May 17 with 913 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:34 - May 17 by Professor |
CDC-has issues, largely as can be too bureaucratic and sometimes lacks foresight in public health issues (which are wider problem in the US as economy takes more precedence over public health than Europe). That depends entirely what you prioritise.
Source-very likely bats. They are big carriers of Beta coronaviruses (I know more about the gamma types that infect birds). Pretty much ubiquitous in bats in Asia ( https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-21240-1). Given bats have previous (Nippah & Hendra) as sources of emerging zoonoses is probably 90% likely-though more likely a perturbance of habitat than consumption. Would say another animal second most likely, but no one can say 100% it's not an accidental release, though this is highly unlikely as there will far more mutation and variation driven in a natural population.
There seems to be plenty of evidence that socio-economic status, which can be a proxy of 'racial groups' -yes ugly term I agree., is associated with poor outcome. However, its a stretch to say this is racism. So Fauci is wrong there. I would also suggest there may be some genetic links to susceptibility-certianly some gene families associated with immunity have genetic linkage to other traits. We have co-evolved with our diseases-sickle cell anaemia in those of Black African descent and Cystic Fibrosis in White Europeans are genetic mutations that are likely evolved to deal with endemic disease (malaria & typhoid) and remain in these population.
That said if you think Fauci is a fraud, you don't know so much about science. |
Just to add-support of science tends not fall between left or right, but far more on the individuals.
Best supporter of science of the last five US presidents (not including Biden as too early to say) was G.W. Bush. Cameron and Osborne relatively protected science from austerity. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:26 - May 17 with 865 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:57 - May 17 by Professor |
And these are the charlatans and bandwagoneers I called out from the start. Yes, there are liars as in every profession. But few. As I said a year ago there is a bandwagon to publish, and a lot more poor science has got through in this flurry. This is now being recognised and the quality and integrity are better. It’s a fault of the system and hard to blame some guy in India, Israel, Iceland or Iowa who has to publish to maintain his or her job. |
So now you are the sole arbiter of who and who is not a "charlatans and bandwagoneers"?
OK, we get it.
But how un PC of you to only name other countries and races of being corrupt. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:38 - May 17 with 849 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:26 - May 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
So now you are the sole arbiter of who and who is not a "charlatans and bandwagoneers"?
OK, we get it.
But how un PC of you to only name other countries and races of being corrupt. |
Ok
Lusaka, Lithuania, Louisiana, Lucerne or Liverpool.
Happy with that. You are so dense!!!! | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:46 - May 17 with 839 views | Scotia |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:41 - May 17 by Jack123 |
Don't fancy taking it just yet. I remember watching the ITV news just before Christmas, and the the female newsreader, for 20 plus minutes, it death, doom death death, and then at the end she smiled and said 'don't worry some good news, the vaccine is on the way', that's when I decided not to take it it. |
That's up to you. If you do take it you won't be one of those dead people she was talking about.
If you don't you could be helping there be other news reports like that over the Summer. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:03 - May 17 with 817 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:14 - May 17 by Gwyn737 |
Some scientists think the work is flat. There's little consensus on anything. |
The history of Science is the majority consensus being proved wrong by the trailblazer, over and over again.
The secret of the success of the 'West' has been the will of the majority to protect the rights of the minority to think about, question, and argue their case both in speech and published writings without fear of suppression or censorship.
That has been flipped on it's head by the modern Left, who clearly don't understand the History of Socialism and Marxist thought in the 20th century...which was an unmitigated disaster. We are on the path to tyranny, totalitarianism...in my opinion it has already arrived in the U.S. | |
| "It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it" |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:12 - May 17 with 809 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:34 - May 17 by Professor |
CDC-has issues, largely as can be too bureaucratic and sometimes lacks foresight in public health issues (which are wider problem in the US as economy takes more precedence over public health than Europe). That depends entirely what you prioritise.
Source-very likely bats. They are big carriers of Beta coronaviruses (I know more about the gamma types that infect birds). Pretty much ubiquitous in bats in Asia ( https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-21240-1). Given bats have previous (Nippah & Hendra) as sources of emerging zoonoses is probably 90% likely-though more likely a perturbance of habitat than consumption. Would say another animal second most likely, but no one can say 100% it's not an accidental release, though this is highly unlikely as there will far more mutation and variation driven in a natural population.
There seems to be plenty of evidence that socio-economic status, which can be a proxy of 'racial groups' -yes ugly term I agree., is associated with poor outcome. However, its a stretch to say this is racism. So Fauci is wrong there. I would also suggest there may be some genetic links to susceptibility-certianly some gene families associated with immunity have genetic linkage to other traits. We have co-evolved with our diseases-sickle cell anaemia in those of Black African descent and Cystic Fibrosis in White Europeans are genetic mutations that are likely evolved to deal with endemic disease (malaria & typhoid) and remain in these population.
That said if you think Fauci is a fraud, you don't know so much about science. |
I know that when he claims the Covid data proves institutional racism he is playing politics when he is paid to stick to the science. So yes, he is a fraud.
How about the time he said no need to wear masks and by the afternoon, under pressure from the pound shop commies around Biden he changed his tune to "wear 2 masks".
Don't ask me to take that man seriously.
There currently is no evidence that it came from bats is there?
...and the Chinese aren't letting the rest of the World investigate their labs are they?
...and some Chinese scientists, who work just as hard as you and are just as qualified, who spoke out have gone missing haven't they? | |
| "It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it" |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:16 - May 17 with 804 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:44 - May 17 by Professor |
Just to add-support of science tends not fall between left or right, but far more on the individuals.
Best supporter of science of the last five US presidents (not including Biden as too early to say) was G.W. Bush. Cameron and Osborne relatively protected science from austerity. |
Yeahhh, remember when George Dubya was a racist redneck and the next Hitler...and then Romney...and then Trump....and before them Bush Snr...and Reagan.
All inherently evil according to the Left over the years.
Just like at every election in this country it's "24 hours to save the NHS" etc.
...and yet the NHS is still going strong, it still hasn't been privatised and all the rest of the scare story nonsense.
Excuse me if I don't take any of it seriously anymore.
Bunch of lying b'stards is what the Left is. | |
| "It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it" |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:26 - May 17 with 798 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:38 - May 17 by Professor |
Ok
Lusaka, Lithuania, Louisiana, Lucerne or Liverpool.
Happy with that. You are so dense!!!! |
Another Insult.
You just can't help yourself can you? | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:29 - May 17 with 794 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:55 - May 17 by Ajack_Kerouac |
Noooooo!!!!
All scientists are right all of the time...unless they contradict each other, in which case go with the science that most closely aligns with your own political views
It is hard to believe that people this naive are grown men with families and careers sometimes it really is. |
You can call it naivety if you want, I have other names for it. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:39 - May 17 with 784 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:12 - May 17 by Ajack_Kerouac |
I know that when he claims the Covid data proves institutional racism he is playing politics when he is paid to stick to the science. So yes, he is a fraud.
How about the time he said no need to wear masks and by the afternoon, under pressure from the pound shop commies around Biden he changed his tune to "wear 2 masks".
Don't ask me to take that man seriously.
There currently is no evidence that it came from bats is there?
...and the Chinese aren't letting the rest of the World investigate their labs are they?
...and some Chinese scientists, who work just as hard as you and are just as qualified, who spoke out have gone missing haven't they? |
No evidence of lab release either | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:45 - May 17 with 774 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:03 - May 17 by Ajack_Kerouac |
The history of Science is the majority consensus being proved wrong by the trailblazer, over and over again.
The secret of the success of the 'West' has been the will of the majority to protect the rights of the minority to think about, question, and argue their case both in speech and published writings without fear of suppression or censorship.
That has been flipped on it's head by the modern Left, who clearly don't understand the History of Socialism and Marxist thought in the 20th century...which was an unmitigated disaster. We are on the path to tyranny, totalitarianism...in my opinion it has already arrived in the U.S. |
You have no idea about science. There are never really trailblazing Mavericks except in fiction. It’s sadly very incremental and change is often slow. There are the odd ‘Eureka’ moments but the evidence base and paradigm changes normally happen over time. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:46 - May 17 with 773 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:39 - May 17 by Professor |
No evidence of lab release either |
No, but plenty of evidence of "gain of function" caried out by that lab, financed by the USA through Fauci and NIH against Obama's orders, which produced exactly the COVID19 Virus which has functions not found in any natural Coronavirus anywhere on earth.
If you don't believe the evidence you are deceiving yourself and nobody else.
There is also plenty of evidence that Fauci is a charlatan, you just will not accept it because you revere him. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:47 - May 17 with 773 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:12 - May 17 by Ajack_Kerouac |
I know that when he claims the Covid data proves institutional racism he is playing politics when he is paid to stick to the science. So yes, he is a fraud.
How about the time he said no need to wear masks and by the afternoon, under pressure from the pound shop commies around Biden he changed his tune to "wear 2 masks".
Don't ask me to take that man seriously.
There currently is no evidence that it came from bats is there?
...and the Chinese aren't letting the rest of the World investigate their labs are they?
...and some Chinese scientists, who work just as hard as you and are just as qualified, who spoke out have gone missing haven't they? |
Why bother asking? You have made your mind up and won’t change. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:51 - May 17 with 767 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:46 - May 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
No, but plenty of evidence of "gain of function" caried out by that lab, financed by the USA through Fauci and NIH against Obama's orders, which produced exactly the COVID19 Virus which has functions not found in any natural Coronavirus anywhere on earth.
If you don't believe the evidence you are deceiving yourself and nobody else.
There is also plenty of evidence that Fauci is a charlatan, you just will not accept it because you revere him. |
I respect him-
He is a good scientist
And severed the US and NIH well.
As for the rest.
More conspiracy rubbish. There are natural examples in coronaviruses not least IBV which changed tissue tropism and virulence in a similar way in the 1990s
You have already decided based on the nonsense you read. As I said I have an open mind, but given RNA virus instability there are always changes. Most we never see. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:54 - May 17 with 766 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:45 - May 17 by Professor |
You have no idea about science. There are never really trailblazing Mavericks except in fiction. It’s sadly very incremental and change is often slow. There are the odd ‘Eureka’ moments but the evidence base and paradigm changes normally happen over time. |
Absolute bollocks, fair play.
I will provide the evidence later... | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 17:06 - May 17 with 753 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:54 - May 17 by Ajack_Kerouac |
Absolute bollocks, fair play.
I will provide the evidence later... |
When you spend hours trawling to find something that suits your argument. You are just a bully boy getting off on showing your superiority of Google searches. I was lucky enough to study this with a Nobel Winner. You really are a nasty piece of work. AFD your lapdog. F**k both of you. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 17:28 - May 17 with 719 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:51 - May 17 by Professor |
I respect him-
He is a good scientist
And severed the US and NIH well.
As for the rest.
More conspiracy rubbish. There are natural examples in coronaviruses not least IBV which changed tissue tropism and virulence in a similar way in the 1990s
You have already decided based on the nonsense you read. As I said I have an open mind, but given RNA virus instability there are always changes. Most we never see. |
So scientists are not just sharks etc etc they are also conspiracy theorists as well. You really know how to lay in to them when they disagree with you.
Tell me which bat coronavirus has a "unique furin-like cleavage site of the 2019-nCoV, lacking in the other SARS-like CoVs. " identified by research.
Do you know the nobel prize winner Kary Mullis, was he lying?
Is F. William Engdahl a liar?
Is Robert F. Kennedy Jr a liar?
A round up of Dr Fauci's lies and or mistakes on COVID.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/here-are-faucis-biggest-flip-flops-and-b
Are you suggesting that Fauci and NIH did not sponsor the Wuhan lab research, when their own papers quote them as sponsors? | | | |
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