| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects 06:37 - May 16 with 14080 views | RonaldStump |
What is the real source of truth for the latest rise in cases in Glasgow?
6 people who have had the vaccine are currently being treated for complications in Glasgow.
What is the REAL truth?
Isn't it strange how vaccinated people are coming down with the CHY NA virus (Kung Flu) or one of it's variant double or triple mutant versions?
It's either the jab doesn't do what it's supposed to or it actually does?
With no long term studies on this new medicine miracle, but plenty coming out about the effects it's having on the immune system.
Why is there a need for healthy people to get jabbed when they have a 99.7% chance of surviving anyway. (more to the point why are we jabbing our kids?)
Far more questions than answers at the moment
cue Anti vaxxer abuse from the usual crowd! [Post edited 16 May 2021 6:57]
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:25 - Jun 22 with 1316 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 11:59 - Jun 22 by Professor |
Not one piece of anything other than circumstantial evidence.
Not one proven link.
You realise Guillain-Barre syndrome is caused by infections. Most common trigger is food poisoning by Campylobacter. And I know more than a little about that.
You whine on about the swine flu vaccine- a 2 in a million chance of severe reactions. Yet flu has a around a two thousand in a million chance of killing you and about a 10 thousand in million chance of severe complications including Guillain-Barre syndrome.
1. You don't understand relative risk
2. You continue to post unverified claims
3. When presented with strong evidence-based research you claim its wrong.
4. You don't undertstand a fraction of what you say.
You think you know more than experts like Peter Horby and Martin Landray-claim they are wrong. Yet they are recognised around the world as leading the best evidence-based work on therapy for COVID.
You are a retired bloke from South Wales, with no education in medicine, epidemiology or infectious disease biology looking on google for any scrap of info no matter how unreliable the source. Look at yourself. Is everyone else wrong? Or are you so deranged by conspiracy that you no longer know who or what you are? |
Keep pushing the official line prof.
I quote studies, I quote official statistics, I quote experts, I quote real lives being saved and you ignore it all.
Fine, I just hope you can live with your conscience when you finally realise you are wrong. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:53 - Jun 22 with 1315 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:21 - Jun 22 by 3swan |
Prof could you answer a basic and maybe stupid question. Variants identified as first found in Kent, India etc. In my simplistic mind can a variant mutate in the same way in more than just one area? In short the Kent variant could also have mutated in the same same way elsewhere in the world |
Good question. The simple answer is yes. Especially if that mutation is an advantage. I work more on bacteria and you see the same patterns of evolution across multiple species or even strains of the same species that have occurred independently.
Coronaviruses have quite a small genome and like all RNA viruses mutate (relatively) frequently when reproduced or copied. Most mutations have no effect or make the bug less competitive so it dies out. The is because what we call 'proof reading' during replication is not perfect. Although mutations rates are very low, the vast number of viral particles mean in 10 million particles there will be a couple where mistakes are made and a mutant occurs (we make fewer copying mistakes thankfully-as cancers are a consequence of this for example).
The problem happens when the mutation confers an advantage. In the case of the Alpha (Kent) and Delta (India) variants the mutation is in the spike protein which enhances the capacity to invade our cells and evade antibody (which diminishes vaccine efficacy in comparison to the original Wuhan virus). All the variants of concern have similar, though not identical changes. We can pick them up in the UK as we sequencing the genome of about 10% of cases. The reality is most countries sequence a very small amount so the chances of the same mutation being out there somewhere are high.
Coronaviruses also have a trick uo their sleeves called recombination-basically they shuffle their genome like a pack of cards and sometimes this leads to a new variant. This may have happened in these variants but we know in other coronavirus (the one I know most about is IBV from chickens) that these have given rise to more pathogenic or nasty strains.
With alpha, it looks like it evolved in someone with a persistent infection. They produced and immune response that killed the other particles that allowed the variant to dominate, reproduce and spread, That shows why reducing infection and infection time is a good idea. And why preventing infection rather than treating (drug resistance is a problem too) is a better idea.
Hope this helps. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:00 - Jun 22 with 1306 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:22 - Jun 22 by A_Fans_Dad |
After putting Cat straight I move on to the Prof.
Who yet again makes a completely unsubstantiated lie with this crap "Every link gets debunked. ", when it is one link in 12 that I got wrong.
You just cannot help yourself from coming out with total b@llsh!t can you.
You are oh so smug and superior and can't even get a simple thing like that right.
Yes perhaps we should list those 130,00 UK deaths, but much better than that perhaps we should contact their greaving families and tell them based on the latest 15 study meta analysis "by the way if the NHS had given your loved ones the correct medicine they would have had a risk ratio of 0.36 of not dying and if they had been given it as a prophylaxis it would have reduced their COVID-19 infection for an average of 86%.
From the UN WHO to the CDC, FDA, NHS, most major western governments and especially mass media outlets like facebook, twitter, Youtube and google have been suppressing the information that HCQ, but especially Ivermection save lives.
And they have useful idiots like you and scotia pushing their case for them.
Hundreds of thousands of lives have been saved by Ivermectin in India and Mexico which you and those organisations continue to not only ignore but they try and stop it from being used.
Yes millions have died, because they have not been given the medicine, not because they don't work.
In the USA that is Homicide and the UK it is Negligent Manslaughter, why aren't the rest of you absolutely incensed by this, I will tell you why cause prof says it isn't true against multiple studies and thousands of lives saved.
of course patients whose reduced infections should also be less likely to suffer from long covid.
By the way the WHO guidelines here.
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccine
"There is not yet enough evidence on the use of vaccines against COVID-19 in children to make recommendations for children to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Children and adolescents tend to have milder disease compared to adults. However, children should continue to have the recommended childhood vaccines. "
So do not get or allow your children to be vaccinated for COVID19.
There are also rumours that some or all of J & J vaccines may be pulled from the arena, but we will need to await an announcement on what it actually means. |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:28 - Jun 22 with 1288 views | 3swan |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:53 - Jun 22 by Professor |
Good question. The simple answer is yes. Especially if that mutation is an advantage. I work more on bacteria and you see the same patterns of evolution across multiple species or even strains of the same species that have occurred independently.
Coronaviruses have quite a small genome and like all RNA viruses mutate (relatively) frequently when reproduced or copied. Most mutations have no effect or make the bug less competitive so it dies out. The is because what we call 'proof reading' during replication is not perfect. Although mutations rates are very low, the vast number of viral particles mean in 10 million particles there will be a couple where mistakes are made and a mutant occurs (we make fewer copying mistakes thankfully-as cancers are a consequence of this for example).
The problem happens when the mutation confers an advantage. In the case of the Alpha (Kent) and Delta (India) variants the mutation is in the spike protein which enhances the capacity to invade our cells and evade antibody (which diminishes vaccine efficacy in comparison to the original Wuhan virus). All the variants of concern have similar, though not identical changes. We can pick them up in the UK as we sequencing the genome of about 10% of cases. The reality is most countries sequence a very small amount so the chances of the same mutation being out there somewhere are high.
Coronaviruses also have a trick uo their sleeves called recombination-basically they shuffle their genome like a pack of cards and sometimes this leads to a new variant. This may have happened in these variants but we know in other coronavirus (the one I know most about is IBV from chickens) that these have given rise to more pathogenic or nasty strains.
With alpha, it looks like it evolved in someone with a persistent infection. They produced and immune response that killed the other particles that allowed the variant to dominate, reproduce and spread, That shows why reducing infection and infection time is a good idea. And why preventing infection rather than treating (drug resistance is a problem too) is a better idea.
Hope this helps. |
Yes, thanks for an indepth reply. It was just triggered by the ongoing discussions about closing borders etc. Cutting back on international travel is an aid to stop the spread but no 100% guarantee that the Delta variant would not have mutated at some time in the UK. Unlikely, but if similar circumstances had occurred. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:34 - Jun 22 with 1282 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:28 - Jun 22 by 3swan |
Yes, thanks for an indepth reply. It was just triggered by the ongoing discussions about closing borders etc. Cutting back on international travel is an aid to stop the spread but no 100% guarantee that the Delta variant would not have mutated at some time in the UK. Unlikely, but if similar circumstances had occurred. |
Always have slightly mixed feeling about border controls-unless you go for virus elimination alongside (like New Zealand), it always seems like avoiding one problem for another to arise.Looks likely that these are going to ease soon too. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:43 - Jun 22 with 1277 views | Scotia |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:25 - Jun 22 by A_Fans_Dad |
Keep pushing the official line prof.
I quote studies, I quote official statistics, I quote experts, I quote real lives being saved and you ignore it all.
Fine, I just hope you can live with your conscience when you finally realise you are wrong. |
No you don't.
You think you do and that's what's dangerous. Most of what you post is self contradictory, a large proportion of the rests contradicts something else you have posted.
You don't completely understand any of it cherry pick bits and pieces and take it out of context. [Post edited 22 Jun 2021 13:45]
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:58 - Jun 22 with 1265 views | Scotia |
I had a look at the first one - as advised my AFD.
Haley Brinkmeyer.
I found her death report she had type 1 diabetes and died of Diabetic Hyperglycemia with Ketoacidosis. Not because she was vaccinated.
Then I did similar with the last person, Tim Zook.
This is what the local sheriff said.
"Clinical examination and lab results have determined the COVID-19 vaccine has been ruled out as a contributing factor in the individual’s death,"
You really should be ashamed of yourself. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:18 - Jun 22 with 1238 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:58 - Jun 22 by Scotia |
I had a look at the first one - as advised my AFD.
Haley Brinkmeyer.
I found her death report she had type 1 diabetes and died of Diabetic Hyperglycemia with Ketoacidosis. Not because she was vaccinated.
Then I did similar with the last person, Tim Zook.
This is what the local sheriff said.
"Clinical examination and lab results have determined the COVID-19 vaccine has been ruled out as a contributing factor in the individual’s death,"
You really should be ashamed of yourself. |
Links please?
So if Haley Brinkmeyer had COVID19 and died of Diabetic Hyperglycemia with Ketoacidosis what would you have said?
What did you expect the sherrif to say, especially when it is not his job to say anything about it at all.
It is the coroners. | | | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:48 - Jun 22 with 1238 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:18 - Jun 22 by A_Fans_Dad |
Links please?
So if Haley Brinkmeyer had COVID19 and died of Diabetic Hyperglycemia with Ketoacidosis what would you have said?
What did you expect the sherrif to say, especially when it is not his job to say anything about it at all.
It is the coroners. |
And you accuse others of deflection.
You really are barking crazy. Lot's of points- been grant writing so lists it is
1. This is the 'died of" 'died with" argument. It has NO RELEVANCE TO VACCINES
2. In many US states the coroner is under the management of the sheriff's office. The coroner can in many cases be the Sherrif
3.Don't vaccinate your kids- well good luck trying to get children vaccinated in the UK. The JCVI looks unlikely to recommend this at present. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:57 - Jun 22 with 1236 views | Scotia |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:18 - Jun 22 by A_Fans_Dad |
Links please?
So if Haley Brinkmeyer had COVID19 and died of Diabetic Hyperglycemia with Ketoacidosis what would you have said?
What did you expect the sherrif to say, especially when it is not his job to say anything about it at all.
It is the coroners. |
https://city-countyobserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Weekly_Death_Report_J
The sheriff quote was a report on Facebook. Not a great source I agree, but it is obviously far from likely he died directly as a result of the vaccine. He was also overweight and had hypertension.
I don't really see the relevance of Haley Brinkmeyer having Covid 19. That has been done to death on here.
Above is the link to Miss Brinkmeyer. Now let these people rest in peace and stop trying to use them to support your nonsense propaganda. It's incredibly disrespectful.
If you vaccinate 10's of millions of people in a short space of time some will die, because in a population of 10's of millions people die will every day. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:05 - Jun 22 with 1233 views | Scotia |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:18 - Jun 22 by A_Fans_Dad |
Links please?
So if Haley Brinkmeyer had COVID19 and died of Diabetic Hyperglycemia with Ketoacidosis what would you have said?
What did you expect the sherrif to say, especially when it is not his job to say anything about it at all.
It is the coroners. |
Another one. Dr Sonia Acevedo.
Autopsy demonstrated no link to the vaccine and her family mentioned no adverse reaction to the vaccine after she had had it.
https://www.portugal.gov.pt/pt/gc22/comunicacao/comunicado?i=autopsia-de-funcion
So out of your list 4 have been checked and 4 don't appear to be related to the vaccine at all. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:07 - Jun 22 with 1221 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:43 - Jun 22 by Scotia |
No you don't.
You think you do and that's what's dangerous. Most of what you post is self contradictory, a large proportion of the rests contradicts something else you have posted.
You don't completely understand any of it cherry pick bits and pieces and take it out of context. [Post edited 22 Jun 2021 13:45]
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Rubbish and you know it.
Let's put it to the test.
The Establishment.
The Oxford Recovery Study, giving an overdose of HCQ to critically ill patients instead of the recommended regime and other drugs/supplements. The study was not complete, had not been printed or Peer Reviewed. It was sent with a personal letter to the UN, plastered over every Newspaper Headline and on all the TV stations.
The Recovery Study for Dexamethasone with only a 33% improvement in mortality was again plastered over every Newspaper Headline and on all the TV stations as brilliant good news.
UN stopped the HCQ study based on the recovery study and suggested that the world ban it's use for COVID19.
Despite knowing how well Ivermectin worked saving lives, the UN refuses to endorse it and even tried to persuade India to stop using it.
They ignored 250 other HCQ studies which showed it worked, depending on dose and other drugs used with it.
The Establishment has ignored India's fantastic turn around in those states using Ivermectin.
They also totally ignored the Mexico City Ivermectin study.
Not one mention on the TV or in the papers.
There are other drugs that have been shown to work in clinical trials that are also being totally ignored including Fluvoxamine 89% effective, Colchicine reduced mortality from 14% down to 1.8%, Lysine, Ruxolitinib 90% of patients showed improvements in their Lung Scans after 14 days, Tocilizumab 60% improvement in Mortality when used on very ill patients, Povidone -Iodine 4 studies 82% effective.
All totally ignored, the only answer we get from them is there are no efffective medicines other than Dexamethasone and some recommendation for Remdesivir which failed in most studies.
Anti- Establishment with 4000+ doctors & scientists.
Lists all 259 studies including the Recovery, UN & Brazillian ones.
Lists 60 Ivermectin studies plus Publishes data on India and Mexico Ivermectin successes.
Lists 3 proxalutamide studies with 91% improvemnts.
2 Fluvoxamine studies, 2 budesonide studies, 5 bromhexine studies, 6 bamlanivimab studies, 6 casirivimab/imdevimab studies, 6 casirivimab/imdevimab studies and 9 colchicine studies.
Plus many other studies of new medicines.
They are all successful studies.
So here is the question, "who do I believe"?
You and the Establishment who are deliberately supressing all the good news?
or
4000+ doctors and scientists who are publishing all the good news being supressed by the Establishment?
Now reverse it for Vaccine Adverse Effects, who do I believe those that openly talk about them or those that refuse to even acknowledge them as a problem.
Sorry, it is no contest. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:36 - Jun 22 with 1208 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:48 - Jun 22 by Professor |
And you accuse others of deflection.
You really are barking crazy. Lot's of points- been grant writing so lists it is
1. This is the 'died of" 'died with" argument. It has NO RELEVANCE TO VACCINES
2. In many US states the coroner is under the management of the sheriff's office. The coroner can in many cases be the Sherrif
3.Don't vaccinate your kids- well good luck trying to get children vaccinated in the UK. The JCVI looks unlikely to recommend this at present. |
Something we can agree on
Died with or died of.
How many UK deaths are actually "of".
The US CDC report last year identified 6% as actually having died "of" covid19, which was the first or only item listed on the death certificate.
But everyone knows that covid can also cause the other reasons for actually dying, but if they were existing co-morbidities causing the death then nobody knows if it is with or of. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:41 - Jun 22 with 1209 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:36 - Jun 22 by A_Fans_Dad |
Something we can agree on
Died with or died of.
How many UK deaths are actually "of".
The US CDC report last year identified 6% as actually having died "of" covid19, which was the first or only item listed on the death certificate.
But everyone knows that covid can also cause the other reasons for actually dying, but if they were existing co-morbidities causing the death then nobody knows if it is with or of. |
And is completely irrelevant. People don't die of HIV. But as a consequence. Same with Covid. Somewhere between 110,000 and 150, 000 in the UK | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:42 - Jun 22 with 1201 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Neither of them for certain.
They couldn't even design a proper study for HCQ.
But do you really want me to list all the doctors and scientists that you continue to insist are conspiracy theorists?
Because you know very well that I can. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:43 - Jun 22 with 1209 views | Scotia |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:36 - Jun 22 by A_Fans_Dad |
Something we can agree on
Died with or died of.
How many UK deaths are actually "of".
The US CDC report last year identified 6% as actually having died "of" covid19, which was the first or only item listed on the death certificate.
But everyone knows that covid can also cause the other reasons for actually dying, but if they were existing co-morbidities causing the death then nobody knows if it is with or of. |
The people I know who have died with Covid, died of Covid. Now unless I'm unlucky enough to know a significant percentage of those who died of Covid and not with Covid a lot of people are dying of Covid.
Just more discredited conspiracy rubbish. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:47 - Jun 22 with 1207 views | Scotia |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:07 - Jun 22 by A_Fans_Dad |
Rubbish and you know it.
Let's put it to the test.
The Establishment.
The Oxford Recovery Study, giving an overdose of HCQ to critically ill patients instead of the recommended regime and other drugs/supplements. The study was not complete, had not been printed or Peer Reviewed. It was sent with a personal letter to the UN, plastered over every Newspaper Headline and on all the TV stations.
The Recovery Study for Dexamethasone with only a 33% improvement in mortality was again plastered over every Newspaper Headline and on all the TV stations as brilliant good news.
UN stopped the HCQ study based on the recovery study and suggested that the world ban it's use for COVID19.
Despite knowing how well Ivermectin worked saving lives, the UN refuses to endorse it and even tried to persuade India to stop using it.
They ignored 250 other HCQ studies which showed it worked, depending on dose and other drugs used with it.
The Establishment has ignored India's fantastic turn around in those states using Ivermectin.
They also totally ignored the Mexico City Ivermectin study.
Not one mention on the TV or in the papers.
There are other drugs that have been shown to work in clinical trials that are also being totally ignored including Fluvoxamine 89% effective, Colchicine reduced mortality from 14% down to 1.8%, Lysine, Ruxolitinib 90% of patients showed improvements in their Lung Scans after 14 days, Tocilizumab 60% improvement in Mortality when used on very ill patients, Povidone -Iodine 4 studies 82% effective.
All totally ignored, the only answer we get from them is there are no efffective medicines other than Dexamethasone and some recommendation for Remdesivir which failed in most studies.
Anti- Establishment with 4000+ doctors & scientists.
Lists all 259 studies including the Recovery, UN & Brazillian ones.
Lists 60 Ivermectin studies plus Publishes data on India and Mexico Ivermectin successes.
Lists 3 proxalutamide studies with 91% improvemnts.
2 Fluvoxamine studies, 2 budesonide studies, 5 bromhexine studies, 6 bamlanivimab studies, 6 casirivimab/imdevimab studies, 6 casirivimab/imdevimab studies and 9 colchicine studies.
Plus many other studies of new medicines.
They are all successful studies.
So here is the question, "who do I believe"?
You and the Establishment who are deliberately supressing all the good news?
or
4000+ doctors and scientists who are publishing all the good news being supressed by the Establishment?
Now reverse it for Vaccine Adverse Effects, who do I believe those that openly talk about them or those that refuse to even acknowledge them as a problem.
Sorry, it is no contest. |
Nope that's the kind of discredited pseudoscience that you usually spout and has been discredited.
There are 9.2 millions Dr's in the world, and all but 4000 (that's 0.04%) of them are part of a conspiracy supressing treatments that would end this pandemic overnight?
Give your head a wobble.
Just think about what you post. You make a clown of yourself. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:56 - Jun 22 with 1198 views | Boundy |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:41 - Jun 22 by Professor |
And is completely irrelevant. People don't die of HIV. But as a consequence. Same with Covid. Somewhere between 110,000 and 150, 000 in the UK |
My dear dad had leukaemia but as a consequence died of pneumonia | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:13 - Jun 22 with 1186 views | Scotia |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:42 - Jun 22 by A_Fans_Dad |
Neither of them for certain.
They couldn't even design a proper study for HCQ.
But do you really want me to list all the doctors and scientists that you continue to insist are conspiracy theorists?
Because you know very well that I can. |
Just like you listed all the people who died because of the vaccine? Or those esteemed climate scientists who admit they aren't experts in climate change?
I don't think anyone on here "knows very well" that you can do anything aside from posting rubbish. You're an expert at that. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 18:50 - Jun 22 with 1147 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:47 - Jun 22 by Scotia |
Nope that's the kind of discredited pseudoscience that you usually spout and has been discredited.
There are 9.2 millions Dr's in the world, and all but 4000 (that's 0.04%) of them are part of a conspiracy supressing treatments that would end this pandemic overnight?
Give your head a wobble.
Just think about what you post. You make a clown of yourself. |
Typical, you are spouting the nonsense.
The 4000 doctors are just the ones involved with the Clinical Studies.
Got that 4000, just the ones doing the Studies that show that the drugs work.
They are not the ones prescribing HCQ and Ivermectin.
Their numbers are completely unknown.
So you are now calling 4000 doctors carrying out the studies liars as well.
OK, I get your message, it wouldn't matter how many doctors and how many successful studies there were you and prof just know they are all lying to make loads of money from old repurposed drugs costing pennies, or something. [Post edited 22 Jun 2021 18:51]
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 18:54 - Jun 22 with 1144 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:43 - Jun 22 by Scotia |
The people I know who have died with Covid, died of Covid. Now unless I'm unlucky enough to know a significant percentage of those who died of Covid and not with Covid a lot of people are dying of Covid.
Just more discredited conspiracy rubbish. |
I see the CDC are lying about the deaths from COVID only just like they are lying about the reported Deaths associated with vaccines.
They are obviously in on the conspiracy.
Got it. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 20:27 - Jun 22 with 1139 views | Scotia |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 18:54 - Jun 22 by A_Fans_Dad |
I see the CDC are lying about the deaths from COVID only just like they are lying about the reported Deaths associated with vaccines.
They are obviously in on the conspiracy.
Got it. |
I'm sure that the CDC aren't lying. The stats are very similar in the UK I understand.
That does not mean they weren't killed by Covid.
One of the people I know who died of covid had renal failure too, they almost certainly contracted covid while attending a dialysis session. He was in his early 40's.
He'd be alive today, he may have even had a kidney transplant by now, but Covid killed him.
He is one of your, completely out of context, misunderstood and misleading stats though. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 20:54 - Jun 22 with 1128 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:56 - Jun 22 by Boundy |
My dear dad had leukaemia but as a consequence died of pneumonia |
Sorry to hear that. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 21:02 - Jun 22 with 1122 views | onehunglow |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:56 - Jun 22 by Boundy |
My dear dad had leukaemia but as a consequence died of pneumonia |
Same sentiment here a regards your dad.
I find all this anti vaccine stuff very upsetting indeed. I honestly think,as a country,we have lost it completely | |
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