| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects 06:37 - May 16 with 14074 views | RonaldStump |
What is the real source of truth for the latest rise in cases in Glasgow?
6 people who have had the vaccine are currently being treated for complications in Glasgow.
What is the REAL truth?
Isn't it strange how vaccinated people are coming down with the CHY NA virus (Kung Flu) or one of it's variant double or triple mutant versions?
It's either the jab doesn't do what it's supposed to or it actually does?
With no long term studies on this new medicine miracle, but plenty coming out about the effects it's having on the immune system.
Why is there a need for healthy people to get jabbed when they have a 99.7% chance of surviving anyway. (more to the point why are we jabbing our kids?)
Far more questions than answers at the moment
cue Anti vaxxer abuse from the usual crowd! [Post edited 16 May 2021 6:57]
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:02 - May 16 with 1061 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:36 - May 16 by Jack123 |
I am very hesitant to take it, I'm going to see how things pan out over the winter.
As far as I can see at the moment, the government are already back tracking on their promises to people, look at what drakeford did on Friday, wasn't able to ease some restrictions due to a few cases of the Indian variant.
They contradict themselves time and time again, why the rush to vaccinate the ones who we have been told since the start that it does not affect the young and healthy, I notice the msm always use words like 'may' when talking about transmission. |
Just take it. Adverse effects are very rare and the AZ vaccine is highly unlikely to have any long term effects. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:36 - May 16 with 1033 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:01 - May 16 by Professor |
You truly are clueless. Primate studies were done early to check efficacy and the vaccine did not have huge side effects. A small NHP trial costs about £250k, but are critical when there are no other animal models (which is still partly the case). Lies were said there were no animal studies here. Yes lies. There have also been numerous human trials . Close to 10,000 people in U.K., Brazil and RSA in AZ Phase III trials. So open your eyes. Your therapeutic solutions have minimal effect-India’s second wave has shown this. Vaccination is the best way out of this.
I take it you won’t take paracetamol which has far more adverse effects? |
You didn't answer a single question, which many people are asking not just me.
As to your "Your therapeutic solutions have minimal effect-India’s second wave has shown this."
Medication only works when it is given.
When the WHO issues a proclamation that HCQ should not be used based on two completely crap clinical trials and that Ivermectin should only be used in clinical trials because apparently there isn't enough evidence it works, what do you expect to happen?
They stopped their general use and switched to more expensive, but less effective drugs, which also quickly ran out. [Post edited 16 May 2021 13:38]
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:56 - May 16 with 1017 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:36 - May 16 by A_Fans_Dad |
You didn't answer a single question, which many people are asking not just me.
As to your "Your therapeutic solutions have minimal effect-India’s second wave has shown this."
Medication only works when it is given.
When the WHO issues a proclamation that HCQ should not be used based on two completely crap clinical trials and that Ivermectin should only be used in clinical trials because apparently there isn't enough evidence it works, what do you expect to happen?
They stopped their general use and switched to more expensive, but less effective drugs, which also quickly ran out. [Post edited 16 May 2021 13:38]
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More bull
The drugs you list don’t work and neither does redesmevir. How many times do you have to be told? Your are an utter prat. Get off here poisoning people against stopping this pandemic. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:35 - May 16 with 993 views | onehunglow |
Fans dad.
Answer me this
You don’t want lockdown,mask wearing nor see the point of distancing .
We find a vaccine and you ,being an expert,do not like this either and try to ridicule a renowned expert in his field who will have forgotten more science than you could ever learn in 3 lifetimes .
So...how should we have handled this..
Simply get on with life and if you die,then tough. .?
Make no mistake,you are a dangerous man | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:40 - May 16 with 993 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 09:23 - May 16 by RonaldStump |
Smallpox vaccine was fully tested and went through the full process!
This one got to animal testing but stopped due to all the animals dying.
That is why it’s humans who are the ongoing clinical trials, it’s there in black and white
For all to read.
And that is the ONLY reason a lot more of people are looking for answers or some sort of debate instead of coercion and blame for killing other people if you don’t have it, anti vaccine Yada yada zzzzz
Some of you have been brainwashed by MSM propaganda and you don’t even know it |
I think.most people rather be vaccinated and their lived saved rather than a few minor side effects.
It is just ye anti vaxers who would rather die I guess. | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:42 - May 16 with 991 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 10:44 - May 16 by Kilkennyjack |
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God bless the UK government for ordering enough vaccine early enough while the EU leaders failed their people. | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:44 - May 16 with 990 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 12:23 - May 16 by RonaldStump |
Over reported. Vaccine deaths and adverse effects are the complete opposite to that and very under reported. |
I know hundreds of people who have had the vaccine not one of them has died. | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:47 - May 16 with 989 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:01 - May 16 by Professor |
You truly are clueless. Primate studies were done early to check efficacy and the vaccine did not have huge side effects. A small NHP trial costs about £250k, but are critical when there are no other animal models (which is still partly the case). Lies were said there were no animal studies here. Yes lies. There have also been numerous human trials . Close to 10,000 people in U.K., Brazil and RSA in AZ Phase III trials. So open your eyes. Your therapeutic solutions have minimal effect-India’s second wave has shown this. Vaccination is the best way out of this.
I take it you won’t take paracetamol which has far more adverse effects? |
Why are antivaxers so arrogant?
That doctor who was struck off for claiming MMR vaccine caused autism was one. He had no evidence yet people stopped their children having the vaccine causing deaths and long term health problems. | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:49 - May 16 with 988 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:47 - May 16 by felixstowe_jack |
Why are antivaxers so arrogant?
That doctor who was struck off for claiming MMR vaccine caused autism was one. He had no evidence yet people stopped their children having the vaccine causing deaths and long term health problems. |
Vaccines make adults, FJ. That’s all you need. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:07 - May 16 with 973 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:35 - May 16 by onehunglow |
Fans dad.
Answer me this
You don’t want lockdown,mask wearing nor see the point of distancing .
We find a vaccine and you ,being an expert,do not like this either and try to ridicule a renowned expert in his field who will have forgotten more science than you could ever learn in 3 lifetimes .
So...how should we have handled this..
Simply get on with life and if you die,then tough. .?
Make no mistake,you are a dangerous man |
I am sorry, I have no clue what you are talking about.
Since March 2020 I have advocated
Masks
Glasses
Gloves
Border locking
Quarantine
Isolation
Lockdown because they did not do proper quarantine or isolation
The use of every available drug to treat COVID
I am not "ridiculing" anybody, he is the one calling me and doctors and scientists names. I am merely asking the questions being asked by thousands of doctors and people all over the western world.
I am not anti vaccine, but I am anti experimental vaccine being given to everybody regardless.
Why would you vaccinate children with an experimental vaccine who are not dying from COVID in their thousands and never will?
Why vaccinate people who already have immunity from having had COVID?
So take your "dangerous man" and stuff it where the sun doesn't shine. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:23 - May 16 with 954 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:56 - May 16 by Professor |
More bull
The drugs you list don’t work and neither does redesmevir. How many times do you have to be told? Your are an utter prat. Get off here poisoning people against stopping this pandemic. |
What you actually mean is stopping this pandemic in the UK.
It is doing nothing for the 3rd world countries.
Explain to everyone on here how long it will take to Vaccinate everybody in the world.
During which time they are dying for lack of medication. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:41 - May 16 with 930 views | controversial_jack |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 14:47 - May 16 by felixstowe_jack |
Why are antivaxers so arrogant?
That doctor who was struck off for claiming MMR vaccine caused autism was one. He had no evidence yet people stopped their children having the vaccine causing deaths and long term health problems. |
What deaths were caused by not having the MMR? | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:53 - May 16 with 925 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:56 - May 16 by Professor |
More bull
The drugs you list don’t work and neither does redesmevir. How many times do you have to be told? Your are an utter prat. Get off here poisoning people against stopping this pandemic. |
"The drugs you list don’t work"
You have 3 completely crap studies on your side and I have 243 HCQ studies, by 3902 scientists and doctors on 367,000 patients and 55 Ivermectin studies on 17730 patients that say you are the one that is wrong.
Plus 6 bamlanivimab studies, plus 6 nitazoxanide studies, plus 9 Colchicine studies plus 4 casirivimab studies, plus 3 proxalutamide studies, plus 4 povidone-iodine studies, plus 2 fluvoxamine studies, plus 2 budesonide studies, plus 5 bromhexine studies all of which show positive results that also say you are wrong that there are no drugs that save lives.
Why are you mis-leading the posters on here? | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:24 - May 16 with 914 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:53 - May 16 by A_Fans_Dad |
"The drugs you list don’t work"
You have 3 completely crap studies on your side and I have 243 HCQ studies, by 3902 scientists and doctors on 367,000 patients and 55 Ivermectin studies on 17730 patients that say you are the one that is wrong.
Plus 6 bamlanivimab studies, plus 6 nitazoxanide studies, plus 9 Colchicine studies plus 4 casirivimab studies, plus 3 proxalutamide studies, plus 4 povidone-iodine studies, plus 2 fluvoxamine studies, plus 2 budesonide studies, plus 5 bromhexine studies all of which show positive results that also say you are wrong that there are no drugs that save lives.
Why are you mis-leading the posters on here? |
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=covid%2019%20HCQ&filter=pubt.systemati
Do a proper search. The overwhelming conclusion is HCQ is ineffective and unsafe.
Ivermectin may have limited benefit in certain situations. Even the authors of the colchicine paper said it’s value is of little use in the real world. But you are too thick to filter the wheat from the chaff.
And third world is not an appropriate term .
And India ‘s problems are largely down to belief it’s treatment works. It does not -clearly.
We need vaccination everywhere. That’s it. Find me an infections disease clinician or researcher in the U.K. (not some idiot ion the internet) who thinks chemotherapy will be the answer with the current drugs. There won’t be many. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:36 - May 16 with 905 views | ShiningPorth |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 15:23 - May 16 by A_Fans_Dad |
What you actually mean is stopping this pandemic in the UK.
It is doing nothing for the 3rd world countries.
Explain to everyone on here how long it will take to Vaccinate everybody in the world.
During which time they are dying for lack of medication. |
How many will the medication save-less than 10%. It may kill as many used indiscriminately.
Getting vaccination out is the key. Not wasting time navel gazing on therapies will little effect. Concentrate on using the steroids that work, are cheap and safe and look to the newer drugs which are in the pipeline.
Compare than with at least 95% vaccine efficacy against death. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:42 - May 16 with 897 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:24 - May 16 by Professor |
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=covid%2019%20HCQ&filter=pubt.systemati
Do a proper search. The overwhelming conclusion is HCQ is ineffective and unsafe.
Ivermectin may have limited benefit in certain situations. Even the authors of the colchicine paper said it’s value is of little use in the real world. But you are too thick to filter the wheat from the chaff.
And third world is not an appropriate term .
And India ‘s problems are largely down to belief it’s treatment works. It does not -clearly.
We need vaccination everywhere. That’s it. Find me an infections disease clinician or researcher in the U.K. (not some idiot ion the internet) who thinks chemotherapy will be the answer with the current drugs. There won’t be many. |
From just one of thse studies you listed
"HCQ was found to be consistently effective against COVID-19 when provided early in the outpatient setting. It was also found to be overall effective in inpatient studies. No unbiased study found worse outcomes with HCQ use. No mortality or serious safety adverse events were found. HCQ is consistently effective against COVID-19 when provided early in the outpatient setting, it is overall effective against COVID-19, it has not produced worsening of disease and it is safe. "
Why are you so biased?
I understand why the Pharmaceutical industry is, it is because if there are any cheap Drugs that work against COVID then no Vaccine can be authorised for emergency use the the USA by the FDA.
But why are you prepared to allow people to die while they wait for their Vaccinations? | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:58 - May 16 with 886 views | Jack123 |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 13:02 - May 16 by Professor |
Just take it. Adverse effects are very rare and the AZ vaccine is highly unlikely to have any long term effects. |
Thanks, I understand your concerns, but not just yet.
I want to see what happens in the winter, some people say this vaccine is effective, but I am very sceptical of the timing of it, last summer the deaths and cases dropped off to virtually nothing without no vaccine.
I'm inclined to think they are using this Indian variant to manipulate the unsure of taking the vaccine, I saw a video of hancock earlier saying that the ones in hospital with this indian variant are ones who could have had the jab, but did not.. ok, but then they say Jun 21st may be doubtful due to the high transmissibility of the Indian variant, they can't have it both ways.
They should open up as planned, I would imagine the un-vaccinated are fully aware of any possible consequences. |  |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 17:08 - May 16 with 873 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 16:58 - May 16 by Jack123 |
Thanks, I understand your concerns, but not just yet.
I want to see what happens in the winter, some people say this vaccine is effective, but I am very sceptical of the timing of it, last summer the deaths and cases dropped off to virtually nothing without no vaccine.
I'm inclined to think they are using this Indian variant to manipulate the unsure of taking the vaccine, I saw a video of hancock earlier saying that the ones in hospital with this indian variant are ones who could have had the jab, but did not.. ok, but then they say Jun 21st may be doubtful due to the high transmissibility of the Indian variant, they can't have it both ways.
They should open up as planned, I would imagine the un-vaccinated are fully aware of any possible consequences. |
As Scotia said-all but one of the cases hospitalised in Bolton was unvaccinated. Most cases are in the 15-40 age group who have not been-that's all you need now for efficacy. Not just for you but for those you care about. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 17:34 - May 16 with 853 views | Jack123 |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 17:08 - May 16 by Professor |
As Scotia said-all but one of the cases hospitalised in Bolton was unvaccinated. Most cases are in the 15-40 age group who have not been-that's all you need now for efficacy. Not just for you but for those you care about. |
Thanks, can i ask your opinion on this Prof https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/lockdown-easing-should-delayed-becaus
Mainly what Professor Andrew Hayward says.
Professor Andrew Hayward, a member of the government’s taskforce on new and emerging viruses (Nervtag), said the relaxations would drive up the numbers infected with the India variant and that unvaccinated younger adults would be most at risk.
Where has that come from, we were always told the virus doesn't affect the young? | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 18:16 - May 16 with 826 views | Professor |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 17:34 - May 16 by Jack123 |
Thanks, can i ask your opinion on this Prof https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/lockdown-easing-should-delayed-becaus
Mainly what Professor Andrew Hayward says.
Professor Andrew Hayward, a member of the government’s taskforce on new and emerging viruses (Nervtag), said the relaxations would drive up the numbers infected with the India variant and that unvaccinated younger adults would be most at risk.
Where has that come from, we were always told the virus doesn't affect the young? |
It does. It causes flu-like illness especially in teenagers. Although disease is milder and rarely causes hospitalisation in healthy kids, they do get unwell and occasionally very unwell. Long Covid is common in the younger groups.The concern now is that as a large unvaccinated group they are susceptible and more worryingly represent a large population in which further variants may evolve. A vaccine evading mutation would put us back to square 1. | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 18:25 - May 16 with 818 views | Jack123 |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 18:16 - May 16 by Professor |
It does. It causes flu-like illness especially in teenagers. Although disease is milder and rarely causes hospitalisation in healthy kids, they do get unwell and occasionally very unwell. Long Covid is common in the younger groups.The concern now is that as a large unvaccinated group they are susceptible and more worryingly represent a large population in which further variants may evolve. A vaccine evading mutation would put us back to square 1. |
Thank you Prof. | |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 18:28 - May 16 with 810 views | Flashberryjack |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 10:28 - May 16 by MrSwerve |
Personally I’m calling the Indian variant ‘Vindaflu’. |
The Indian version is far more likely to leave you in a Korma. |  |
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 18:33 - May 16 with 801 views | controversial_jack |
India, has developed it's own vaccine, the "Punjab!" | | | |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 18:38 - May 16 with 791 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 17:08 - May 16 by Professor |
As Scotia said-all but one of the cases hospitalised in Bolton was unvaccinated. Most cases are in the 15-40 age group who have not been-that's all you need now for efficacy. Not just for you but for those you care about. |
Why do you copy Scotia.
Out of 18 people currently in hospital with the Indian Variant.
The Health Minister has just said quote "Four people are known to have died from the Indian variant"
Quote on Bolton "He told The Andrew Marr Show on the BBC: 'We think that there are five people who have ended up in hospital having had one jab.'
Asked about people who have received two jabs, he said: 'We think there's one person, but that person was frail."
The question is have they really tested all those people for the Indian variant, which is not a standard test
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| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 18:49 - May 16 with 777 views | Jack123 |
| Indian variant or Vaccine adverse effects on 18:38 - May 16 by A_Fans_Dad |
Why do you copy Scotia.
Out of 18 people currently in hospital with the Indian Variant.
The Health Minister has just said quote "Four people are known to have died from the Indian variant"
Quote on Bolton "He told The Andrew Marr Show on the BBC: 'We think that there are five people who have ended up in hospital having had one jab.'
Asked about people who have received two jabs, he said: 'We think there's one person, but that person was frail."
The question is have they really tested all those people for the Indian variant, which is not a standard test
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WTF? I saw this earlier, he is saying 'The vast majority have not received a jab', it's a short video, but he say's it from around 1.20 onwards.
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