| Jesus 09:19 - Dec 26 with 14801 views | Jackfath |
Did he exist? |  |
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| Jesus on 18:01 - Jan 1 with 1951 views | Gowerjack |
| Jesus on 11:49 - Jan 1 by jackportis |
When the Muslim world dominates in 2300 Jesus will be long gone and illegal to believe regardless if he existed. |
You really are a thick cûnt. |  |
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| Jesus on 18:11 - Jan 1 with 1932 views | Humpty |
| Jesus on 17:24 - Jan 1 by jackportis |
JP would like to point out that this is why the site is dyeing out. A fine example of trolling. JP has reduced posting and yet finds on a rare post (the first in a while) out of the woodwork do the same personnel come. As mentioned this is why the site is becoming boring as talented posters will stay away. |
Then post something other than your usual factually incorrect, Britain First type bollocks.
Anyway, what are you dyeing? Your hair? A pair of curtains? What? |  | | |
| Jesus on 18:24 - Jan 1 with 1923 views | Wingstandwood |
| Jesus on 12:46 - Jan 1 by Highjack |
They will struggle to ban the person who is mentioned in the Quran more than anyone else. Theyd have to rewrite the whole thing. |
I spoke to a guy who was studying for his Theology degree at the exact period of time Jihadi John was in the midst of his murder spree infamy... I was curious about Islam and that particular (now a Presbyterian Christian minister) Theology students take on Islam itself.
You are indeed correct, I was surprised to find out Jesus was deemed to be a prophet. I was also enlightened to find out he was perceived to be of vastly lesser importance/ranking to Islam than Christianity. I never would have thought in a million years that he was in the Koran or had so many mentions. I was utterly taken aback when told that, it sounded utterly surreal at the time.
Jesus is however in the Koran (demoted rather significantly) only recognised to be the son of Mary and not the son of God (Allah). In fact many Muslims wish to deny the crucifixion of Jesus.
Jack Portis is right about (not all obviously) many a Muslims/Islamists revulsion for Christianity. Christian belief of the biblical Jesus and worshipping of the cross is apparently in many Islamic quarters considered to be blasphemous and worthy of a death sentence.
It's all about interpretation apparently! |  |
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| Jesus on 18:34 - Jan 1 with 1916 views | Humpty |
| Jesus on 18:24 - Jan 1 by Wingstandwood |
I spoke to a guy who was studying for his Theology degree at the exact period of time Jihadi John was in the midst of his murder spree infamy... I was curious about Islam and that particular (now a Presbyterian Christian minister) Theology students take on Islam itself.
You are indeed correct, I was surprised to find out Jesus was deemed to be a prophet. I was also enlightened to find out he was perceived to be of vastly lesser importance/ranking to Islam than Christianity. I never would have thought in a million years that he was in the Koran or had so many mentions. I was utterly taken aback when told that, it sounded utterly surreal at the time.
Jesus is however in the Koran (demoted rather significantly) only recognised to be the son of Mary and not the son of God (Allah). In fact many Muslims wish to deny the crucifixion of Jesus.
Jack Portis is right about (not all obviously) many a Muslims/Islamists revulsion for Christianity. Christian belief of the biblical Jesus and worshipping of the cross is apparently in many Islamic quarters considered to be blasphemous and worthy of a death sentence.
It's all about interpretation apparently! |
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/muslims-christmas-jesus-god-islamophobia-pr | | | |
| Jesus on 18:50 - Jan 1 with 1899 views | Wingstandwood |
There are many Muslims that detest Christian-Biblical interpretation of Jesus hence ISIS repeated death threats to "Worshippers of the cross" ....There are many Christians that perceive Mormons and the likes of its founder Joseph Smith to be heretics....There are (especially in Northern Ireland)many Protestants that perceive Catholic devotion towards the Pope to be 'idolitory' and sinful. There are many Sunni Muslims that deem Shia Muslim beliefs to be heresy.
I state the facts and yes many Muslims do indeed love Jesus especially when it comes to their Islamic/Koran interpretation and belief of. [Post edited 1 Jan 2019 18:51]
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| Jesus on 19:01 - Jan 1 with 1888 views | Humpty |
| Jesus on 18:50 - Jan 1 by Wingstandwood |
There are many Muslims that detest Christian-Biblical interpretation of Jesus hence ISIS repeated death threats to "Worshippers of the cross" ....There are many Christians that perceive Mormons and the likes of its founder Joseph Smith to be heretics....There are (especially in Northern Ireland)many Protestants that perceive Catholic devotion towards the Pope to be 'idolitory' and sinful. There are many Sunni Muslims that deem Shia Muslim beliefs to be heresy.
I state the facts and yes many Muslims do indeed love Jesus especially when it comes to their Islamic/Koran interpretation and belief of. [Post edited 1 Jan 2019 18:51]
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Agreed though I don't know about "many". I think it's very much a minority. Like you say it's all about interpretation which is true for all religions.
I don't agree with you when you say JP was right about many muslims revulsion of Christianity. That's not what he said. He said when muslims rule the world believing in Jesus will be illegal. Bit different don't you think? | | | |
| Jesus on 19:49 - Jan 1 with 1836 views | Humpty |
Why? | | | |
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| Jesus on 19:52 - Jan 1 with 1831 views | Jackfath |
| Jesus on 19:49 - Jan 1 by Humpty |
Why? |
Because God created it all, didn't he? Everything in a week? | |
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| Jesus on 19:53 - Jan 1 with 1828 views | Humpty |
| Jesus on 19:52 - Jan 1 by Jackfath |
Because God created it all, didn't he? Everything in a week? |
Ah right.
I don't think he'll mind. | | | |
| Jesus on 19:55 - Jan 1 with 1825 views | Jackfath |
| Jesus on 19:53 - Jan 1 by Humpty |
Ah right.
I don't think he'll mind. |
If I had made it all and people didn't believe me, I'd be gutted. | |
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| Jesus on 21:06 - Jan 1 with 1788 views | phact0rri |
| Jesus on 13:11 - Jan 1 by Shaky |
It is obviously entirely up to you, but as far as I am concerned it is just not sustainable to claim Jesus wasn't a historical figure.
Whether he was indeed the Son of Man is a different proposition altogether.
But consider this; today Boris Johnson is the bookies favourite to become the next leader of the Conservatives and quite likely Prime Minister.
Imagine the reaction of future historians 500 years from now presented with just that statement and documentary evidence of the acts of BoJo. You'd be laughed out of the building. Yet that is undeniably where we are today. |
I agree with you mate. My point being its not "well documented" which would mean countless credible documents about his existence. And really there is not.
But the romans did some history taking but they were no chinese if you know what I mean. :) |  |
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| Jesus on 23:58 - Jan 1 with 1732 views | Loyal |
| Jesus on 17:24 - Jan 1 by jackportis |
JP would like to point out that this is why the site is dyeing out. A fine example of trolling. JP has reduced posting and yet finds on a rare post (the first in a while) out of the woodwork do the same personnel come. As mentioned this is why the site is becoming boring as talented posters will stay away. |
Do you think fingering is old school, like a dark art or like many things these days more modern methods are being employed ? You would have thought that in these times of shaved ladies parts that a sneaky finger would be a lot easier to achieve. When I was an exponent some clouts I tried to navigate were like fiddling through Bobby Balls hair. It's a mystery to me or maybe kids of today are just plain fcking lazy. |  |
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The official inventor of the tit w@nk. | | Poll: | Who should be Swansea number 1 |
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| Jesus on 02:01 - Jan 19 with 1540 views | Exeterjack |
Most of the secular historians who provide evidence for the life and death of Jesus have already been mentioned and even the champions of atheism (prof Dawkins et al) generally accept Jesus lived, died, and had some good things to say. I have joined the conversation because one contributor suggested that perhaps a bible believing Christian would not do so. I became a Christian 21 years ago. I came to faith in Christ at 38 years of age from a position of being an atheist, believing that religion was empty and for weak people who needed a crutch. Quite often in this well rehearsed debate there tends to be a lot of heat and not much light, which might describe where this thread has got too thus far.
Whatever your world view it has to have a cogent answer for the big questions... I am satisfied that biblical Christianity does this. |  | | |
| Jesus on 07:37 - Jan 19 with 1484 views | WarwickHunt |
| Jesus on 02:01 - Jan 19 by Exeterjack |
Most of the secular historians who provide evidence for the life and death of Jesus have already been mentioned and even the champions of atheism (prof Dawkins et al) generally accept Jesus lived, died, and had some good things to say. I have joined the conversation because one contributor suggested that perhaps a bible believing Christian would not do so. I became a Christian 21 years ago. I came to faith in Christ at 38 years of age from a position of being an atheist, believing that religion was empty and for weak people who needed a crutch. Quite often in this well rehearsed debate there tends to be a lot of heat and not much light, which might describe where this thread has got too thus far.
Whatever your world view it has to have a cogent answer for the big questions... I am satisfied that biblical Christianity does this. |
Taking the Sunday off was a bit feeble, no?
I mean, how did he even know it was Sunday before he (oops, HE) created everything?
Did time exist pre-God’s busy week? Mind blowing stufff, innit?
ps isn’t 38 a bit early to be worried about your mortality? |  | | |
| Jesus on 11:14 - Jan 19 with 1430 views | ItchySphincter |
| Jesus on 02:01 - Jan 19 by Exeterjack |
Most of the secular historians who provide evidence for the life and death of Jesus have already been mentioned and even the champions of atheism (prof Dawkins et al) generally accept Jesus lived, died, and had some good things to say. I have joined the conversation because one contributor suggested that perhaps a bible believing Christian would not do so. I became a Christian 21 years ago. I came to faith in Christ at 38 years of age from a position of being an atheist, believing that religion was empty and for weak people who needed a crutch. Quite often in this well rehearsed debate there tends to be a lot of heat and not much light, which might describe where this thread has got too thus far.
Whatever your world view it has to have a cogent answer for the big questions... I am satisfied that biblical Christianity does this. |
Does a child molester, who has become born again, go to heaven? |  |
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| Jesus on 12:58 - Jan 19 with 1413 views | Mad_Mike |
I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord; Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit; Born of the Virgin
Mary; Suffered under Pontius Pilate; Was crucified, dead and buried; He descended into Hell; The third
day He rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven; And sitteth on the right hand of God the
Father Almighty; From thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit; The Holy Christian Church, the Communion of Saints; The Forgiveness of
sins; The Resurrection of the body; And the life everlasting. Amen. | | | |
| Jesus on 13:11 - Jan 19 with 1408 views | ItchySphincter |
Cool. My unicorn has a puncture. | |
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| Jesus on 13:14 - Jan 19 with 1406 views | Highjack |
| Jesus on 11:14 - Jan 19 by ItchySphincter |
Does a child molester, who has become born again, go to heaven? |
Well Muhammad did. |  |
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| Jesus on 13:23 - Jan 19 with 1400 views | WarwickHunt |
| Jesus on 12:58 - Jan 19 by Mad_Mike |
I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord; Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit; Born of the Virgin
Mary; Suffered under Pontius Pilate; Was crucified, dead and buried; He descended into Hell; The third
day He rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven; And sitteth on the right hand of God the
Father Almighty; From thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit; The Holy Christian Church, the Communion of Saints; The Forgiveness of
sins; The Resurrection of the body; And the life everlasting. Amen. |
Mike - why do they call you mad? | | | |
| Jesus on 14:09 - Jan 19 with 1380 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Jesus on 13:23 - Jan 19 by WarwickHunt |
Mike - why do they call you mad? |
Because he’s quoted the Nicene Creed and yet not used the language of the 1662 Book of Common Prayer? That’s mad. | | | |
| Jesus on 14:21 - Jan 19 with 1378 views | Lohengrin |
| Jesus on 14:09 - Jan 19 by londonlisa2001 |
Because he’s quoted the Nicene Creed and yet not used the language of the 1662 Book of Common Prayer? That’s mad. |
You must have been a Sunday School girl at one time.  |  |
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| Jesus on 15:44 - Jan 19 with 1339 views | Mad_Mike |
Because I support the Swans.  | | | |
| Jesus on 17:36 - Jan 19 with 1313 views | WarwickHunt |
| Jesus on 14:09 - Jan 19 by londonlisa2001 |
Because he’s quoted the Nicene Creed and yet not used the language of the 1662 Book of Common Prayer? That’s mad. |
That’s what I meant, obviously. | | | |
| Jesus on 23:42 - Jan 19 with 1264 views | phact0rri |
| Jesus on 02:01 - Jan 19 by Exeterjack |
Most of the secular historians who provide evidence for the life and death of Jesus have already been mentioned and even the champions of atheism (prof Dawkins et al) generally accept Jesus lived, died, and had some good things to say. I have joined the conversation because one contributor suggested that perhaps a bible believing Christian would not do so. I became a Christian 21 years ago. I came to faith in Christ at 38 years of age from a position of being an atheist, believing that religion was empty and for weak people who needed a crutch. Quite often in this well rehearsed debate there tends to be a lot of heat and not much light, which might describe where this thread has got too thus far.
Whatever your world view it has to have a cogent answer for the big questions... I am satisfied that biblical Christianity does this. |
I'm not a christian, but I do respect the beliefs of others no matter what they are. But there is a difference between what one believes (Jesus is the son of god) and what is fact (Did jesus live). I do think there's room to debate even to christians if there is reasonable fact.
Another important wrinkle in this, enter connectivity in religion. The Qur'an and the bible are linked in subject and its hard not to see the influence here. is the jesus in Qur'an flavour to this link or is it recorded as more proof of his existance? Its hard to tell, for sure. But it is quite interesting if your into these things.
If I haven't mentioned it before I conciser myself spiritual but not religious. I wouldn't know where to begin explaining the belief system I have. but its not agnostic, or atheist. But I do think its important to separate belief and faith from actual fact. | |
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