| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 00:04 - Mar 12 with 2410 views | sxdale |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 23:26 - Mar 11 by DorkingDale |
Are you getting mixed up between the Chairman of the BBC & the Director General? |
The chairman of the BBC is Richard Sharp who facilitated the £800k loan to Boris Johnson prior to being appointed to his position by the Privy Council, after having met with Boris Johnson the then Prime Minister.
The Director General of the BBC is Tim Davie who prior to his appointment was the Deputy Chair (chur) of Hammersmith & Fulham Conservative Association.
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| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 00:07 - Mar 12 with 2393 views | EllGazzell |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 23:24 - Mar 11 by DorkingDale |
This is doing my head in - the BBC has been criticised for years for being left wing FFS.... How does that fit with being a Tory Govt tool? |
Because its the right-wing client media that is criticising them and dog-whistling. |  |
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| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 02:21 - Mar 12 with 2316 views | DorkingDale |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 15:54 - Mar 11 by rich_dale |
Agree that contributed, but wouldn't say it was the main factor. Many people, me included, felt JC was too idealistic and not strong enough to be PM but he was popular with a lot of people, and closed the gap in the 2017 GE. The deciding factor in 2019 I think was that the Tories had a clear and strong message about Brexit and Labour completely fudged theirs. Added to that the fact JC was hammered by the right wing press and established who were terrified of the idea of him winning. |
Don't forget that the Lib Dem vote totally collapsed as a result of their policy to overturn the result of the referendum without any remit to the electorate.... | | | |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 09:37 - Mar 12 with 2210 views | D_Alien |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 12:24 - Mar 11 by rich_dale |
Bruce's husband works for a PR agency paid £3m a year to advertise Govt policy. And she is someone that works on a political programme, actually chairing it nonetheless. If the BBC are serious about impartiality they first need to address this, and the issues in their boardroom. Having a chair that has donated hundreds of thousands of pounds to the Tories is a serious conflict of interest and a big red flag. A sports presenter sending a tweet is not. The video posted earlier in the thread by EG sums it up perfectly.
But yes, it will be a full on culture war now by the Tories leading up the next election as it's all they have. They generally will point the finger elsewhere anyway to suggest that people's problems are caused by minorities or outsiders - they won last time by making enemies of the EU and this time they will go all out on immigration. At the end of the day they're the party of the mega rich and need to find ways to encourage ordinary working people to vote for them. |
Just picking up on your last point, about "finding ways for... people to vote for them", which i missed amid all the noise from yesterday - are you suggesting that a political party which adopts a policy which represents the views of a potential electoral majority are doing something wrong?
Isn't that rather the point of what is supposed to be a system of representative government? It really matters not whether this is viewed with cynicism. After all, the Opposition parties have the option of a) supporting it, b) adopting it themselves, or c) opposing it on principle, and explaining why
The language which Lineker refers to is the incumbent government explaining why they're taking steps to stop illegal immigration, which includes breaking the model of the criminal gangs exploiting the Channel-crossing route. Why do those who support Lineker's stance wish to see that highly dangerous and lucrative trade continue? The co-operation of the French is being secured. Yes, £500m over three years - but the current cost to the taxpayer is £7m per day in accommodating illegal entrants, that's about £2.5 billion per year (thanks for your full contribution to that, Lineker)
There should be a more streamlined way for genuine asylum seekers to gain entry to the UK. But make no mistake, France is as safe a country within which to seek asylum as the UK. If i were fleeing from persecution, i would not also risk my life by trying to cross the Channel on a flimsy boat, leaving the shores of a perfectly safe country
So in summary, Lineker is a fool, living a gilded life in a protected environment. He has no idea of the effects of illegal immigration on "the ordinary working people" you think are being somehow duped into voting for a government that - for whatever reason - seeks to put a stop to the vile trade in human lives [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 9:41]
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| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 09:59 - Mar 12 with 2159 views | judd |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 09:37 - Mar 12 by D_Alien |
Just picking up on your last point, about "finding ways for... people to vote for them", which i missed amid all the noise from yesterday - are you suggesting that a political party which adopts a policy which represents the views of a potential electoral majority are doing something wrong?
Isn't that rather the point of what is supposed to be a system of representative government? It really matters not whether this is viewed with cynicism. After all, the Opposition parties have the option of a) supporting it, b) adopting it themselves, or c) opposing it on principle, and explaining why
The language which Lineker refers to is the incumbent government explaining why they're taking steps to stop illegal immigration, which includes breaking the model of the criminal gangs exploiting the Channel-crossing route. Why do those who support Lineker's stance wish to see that highly dangerous and lucrative trade continue? The co-operation of the French is being secured. Yes, £500m over three years - but the current cost to the taxpayer is £7m per day in accommodating illegal entrants, that's about £2.5 billion per year (thanks for your full contribution to that, Lineker)
There should be a more streamlined way for genuine asylum seekers to gain entry to the UK. But make no mistake, France is as safe a country within which to seek asylum as the UK. If i were fleeing from persecution, i would not also risk my life by trying to cross the Channel on a flimsy boat, leaving the shores of a perfectly safe country
So in summary, Lineker is a fool, living a gilded life in a protected environment. He has no idea of the effects of illegal immigration on "the ordinary working people" you think are being somehow duped into voting for a government that - for whatever reason - seeks to put a stop to the vile trade in human lives [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 9:41]
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| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 10:55 - Mar 12 with 2084 views | fourfourtwo |
MOTD was miles better without the endless drivel of the usual presenters. To be fair I always watch it on IPlayer on a Sunday morning so I can fast forward all the drivel anyway.
I don’t need to watch 4 replays of how the ball went out for a corner. | | | |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 11:34 - Mar 12 with 2053 views | judd |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 10:55 - Mar 12 by fourfourtwo |
MOTD was miles better without the endless drivel of the usual presenters. To be fair I always watch it on IPlayer on a Sunday morning so I can fast forward all the drivel anyway.
I don’t need to watch 4 replays of how the ball went out for a corner. |
Headline on-line in the Sunday Mirror claims viewing figures were up half a million.
Not sure if this is independently verified.
I would have watched it, regardless of Lineker. [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 11:38]
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| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 11:37 - Mar 12 with 2044 views | foreverhopefulDale |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 23:26 - Mar 11 by DorkingDale |
Are you getting mixed up between the Chairman of the BBC & the Director General? |
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| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 11:58 - Mar 12 with 2000 views | 442Dale |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 11:34 - Mar 12 by judd |
Headline on-line in the Sunday Mirror claims viewing figures were up half a million.
Not sure if this is independently verified.
I would have watched it, regardless of Lineker. [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 11:38]
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I watched it out of curiosity to see how they produced it, I rarely bother most of the time usually so there could have been a similar trend where people were intrigued.
It was a tough watch without commentary, mainly because I know so few Premier League players these days so trying to work out who plays where etc was difficult. They add facts too, like announcing a corner ball.
It’s all a personal taste thing really, I don’t often watch live games but enjoy listening to Neville and Carragher on Sky for example. With the MOTD panel, on the occasions I do watch it’s when there are people there I like to hear talk about the game. Not Micah Richards or Martin Keown. |  |
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| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 12:04 - Mar 12 with 1995 views | judd |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 11:58 - Mar 12 by 442Dale |
I watched it out of curiosity to see how they produced it, I rarely bother most of the time usually so there could have been a similar trend where people were intrigued.
It was a tough watch without commentary, mainly because I know so few Premier League players these days so trying to work out who plays where etc was difficult. They add facts too, like announcing a corner ball.
It’s all a personal taste thing really, I don’t often watch live games but enjoy listening to Neville and Carragher on Sky for example. With the MOTD panel, on the occasions I do watch it’s when there are people there I like to hear talk about the game. Not Micah Richards or Martin Keown. |
I watched it in the pub where you can't hear commentary in any case. | |
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| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 12:35 - Mar 12 with 1940 views | 49thseason |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 00:04 - Mar 12 by sxdale |
The chairman of the BBC is Richard Sharp who facilitated the £800k loan to Boris Johnson prior to being appointed to his position by the Privy Council, after having met with Boris Johnson the then Prime Minister.
The Director General of the BBC is Tim Davie who prior to his appointment was the Deputy Chair (chur) of Hammersmith & Fulham Conservative Association.
Hope this helps. |
The problem is not that these people have political connections, they always do, but is more to do with the fact that they are selected from a very short shortlist where the requisite qualifications always seem to be a) former Goldman Sachs employees( or other banking connections) b) Oxbridge educated, c) Members and donors to the political party in power.
Actual Media experience seems to be quite low in the requisite qualifications, a possible exception being Greg Dyke, but he did donate £50k to the Labour party, albeit peanuts by todays standards.
The BBC is an anachronism we could well do without Kicking it around as a political football serves little purpose. Selling it off would be a blessing to all of us particularly those taken to court for non-payment of its scandalous licence fee. |  | | |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 12:54 - Mar 12 with 1894 views | sxdale |
There is no doubt there has been a huge amount of blame apportioned to refugees, the term 'migrant crisis' really says all you need to know.
These (in most cases) are desperate people are fleeing persecution when you see the breakdown of where these people are coming from (Albania excepted who we now have a repatriation deal with) the vast majority are coming from conflict zones or countries where they would be killed for being gay etc. On top of which we have the many Afghan civilians (interpreters and their families) who aided the allies during the war and were left stranded in chaotic pull out from Kabul Airport.
We are peddled untruths blaming them for us not being able to see a doctor, not being able to get a council house or get a place for your children in the school of your choice. The reality is that these issues are due to chronic underfunding by successive governments (I'm being generous here because it is the tories who have been in power for over a decade).
We are told how much it is costing to put up these refugees in hotels how it is a drain on the public purse, how about letting them work while there claims are being processed? how about having more people employed to process the claims efficiently and quickly and return those who aren't genuinely refugees in a timely manner? It says a lot when we have migrant camps in this country with outbreaks of diphtheria, when there are unaccompanied minor's being taken from hotels and the authorities don't even know how many are missing due to lack of adequate oversight. It's been likened to a pick n mix for gangs.
Most of these issues could be solved by having a decent working asylum system that it is actually possible to access in the first place, we can remember the pictures of refugees fleeing Ukraine and even with a high demand from ordinary British families wanting to help how difficult it was for them to be place due to them not having the correct paperwork, oh sh** yeah I forgot my passport and birth certificate when I was fleeing the Russian shells!
Finally on this long winded rant, footballers in their ivory towers, yes they may be rich now but unlike the vast majority of this government were not brought into this world with a silver spoon in their mouth and a public school education.
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| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 13:03 - Mar 12 with 1873 views | D_Alien |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 12:54 - Mar 12 by sxdale |
There is no doubt there has been a huge amount of blame apportioned to refugees, the term 'migrant crisis' really says all you need to know.
These (in most cases) are desperate people are fleeing persecution when you see the breakdown of where these people are coming from (Albania excepted who we now have a repatriation deal with) the vast majority are coming from conflict zones or countries where they would be killed for being gay etc. On top of which we have the many Afghan civilians (interpreters and their families) who aided the allies during the war and were left stranded in chaotic pull out from Kabul Airport.
We are peddled untruths blaming them for us not being able to see a doctor, not being able to get a council house or get a place for your children in the school of your choice. The reality is that these issues are due to chronic underfunding by successive governments (I'm being generous here because it is the tories who have been in power for over a decade).
We are told how much it is costing to put up these refugees in hotels how it is a drain on the public purse, how about letting them work while there claims are being processed? how about having more people employed to process the claims efficiently and quickly and return those who aren't genuinely refugees in a timely manner? It says a lot when we have migrant camps in this country with outbreaks of diphtheria, when there are unaccompanied minor's being taken from hotels and the authorities don't even know how many are missing due to lack of adequate oversight. It's been likened to a pick n mix for gangs.
Most of these issues could be solved by having a decent working asylum system that it is actually possible to access in the first place, we can remember the pictures of refugees fleeing Ukraine and even with a high demand from ordinary British families wanting to help how difficult it was for them to be place due to them not having the correct paperwork, oh sh** yeah I forgot my passport and birth certificate when I was fleeing the Russian shells!
Finally on this long winded rant, footballers in their ivory towers, yes they may be rich now but unlike the vast majority of this government were not brought into this world with a silver spoon in their mouth and a public school education.
That's me done I feel better now. |
I fully agree we should be welcoming to those with genuine asylum claims. The UK has a long history of being welcoming in that regard, and i hope and expect that will continue
Why are people fleeing warzones/persecution so desperate to leave France?
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| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 13:26 - Mar 12 with 1824 views | judd |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 13:03 - Mar 12 by D_Alien |
I fully agree we should be welcoming to those with genuine asylum claims. The UK has a long history of being welcoming in that regard, and i hope and expect that will continue
Why are people fleeing warzones/persecution so desperate to leave France?
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Was it not Blair who agreed to lift an arms embargo on Colonel Gadaffi in return for him blocking economic migrants transiting Libya towards Europe?
Is it not the case that the majority of those crossing the dangerous channel in potential death trap inflatables, are active young males who can afford to pay exhorbitant amounts to organised criminal gangs?
In the self-serving interests of pushing political soundbites, there's been a huge display of not actually understanding. | |
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| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 13:32 - Mar 12 with 1818 views | sxdale |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 13:03 - Mar 12 by D_Alien |
I fully agree we should be welcoming to those with genuine asylum claims. The UK has a long history of being welcoming in that regard, and i hope and expect that will continue
Why are people fleeing warzones/persecution so desperate to leave France?
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Honestly I think that the channel just provides a natural barrier and those who are responsible for the trafficking simply feed desperate people the lie of a mythical land of milk and honey just over the water, of course those fleeing don't know the reality until they land in Kent. The traffickers get one more big payday. | | | |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 13:41 - Mar 12 with 1789 views | judd |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 13:32 - Mar 12 by sxdale |
Honestly I think that the channel just provides a natural barrier and those who are responsible for the trafficking simply feed desperate people the lie of a mythical land of milk and honey just over the water, of course those fleeing don't know the reality until they land in Kent. The traffickers get one more big payday. |
All good points.
That natural barrier is going to cost an additional £450m over the next 3 years to try and protect from avaricious people traffickers.
I recently met a retired UK border force officer at a Rochdale home game.
The extent of illegal immigrants just in our town is astounding. Add to that the black economy that engages these individuals and the criminality this involves and its easy to understand why tough measures at stopping illegal immigration are required. | |
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| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 13:42 - Mar 12 with 1785 views | D_Alien |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 13:32 - Mar 12 by sxdale |
Honestly I think that the channel just provides a natural barrier and those who are responsible for the trafficking simply feed desperate people the lie of a mythical land of milk and honey just over the water, of course those fleeing don't know the reality until they land in Kent. The traffickers get one more big payday. |
Hence the need to stop those networks, and tbf, although it's new legislation it's based upon the policies which won the 2019 election, i.e. to take control of our immigration policy free from the EU
People complain when governments don't try to carry out the policies they were elected on, and it appears that people complain when they do | |
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| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 14:36 - Mar 12 with 1707 views | sxdale |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 13:42 - Mar 12 by D_Alien |
Hence the need to stop those networks, and tbf, although it's new legislation it's based upon the policies which won the 2019 election, i.e. to take control of our immigration policy free from the EU
People complain when governments don't try to carry out the policies they were elected on, and it appears that people complain when they do |
With regard to the last paragraph, I think that it probably all depends on who you voted for in the first place. If you voted Conservative based on the promise to stop the boats then you will be quite happy with this policy. If you think there is a better/different way of controlling this refugee crisis then you probably won't agree with this policy.
With regard to taking back our immigration policy free from the EU surely that would only have made a difference to EU citizens coming into this country legally. Prior to Brexit I seem to recall Farage the frog faced f*** complaining about the motorways being swamped with Hungarians, Romanians and the like not desperate Afghans wahing up on the beaches. You could argue that Brexit has made things worse with Boris and Truss spouting constant drivel and blaming the EU for everything, it's no wonder the French didn't want to cooperate with us. Hopefully Sunak can maybe repair a few broken bridges. | | | |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 14:40 - Mar 12 with 1702 views | 49thseason |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 13:41 - Mar 12 by judd |
All good points.
That natural barrier is going to cost an additional £450m over the next 3 years to try and protect from avaricious people traffickers.
I recently met a retired UK border force officer at a Rochdale home game.
The extent of illegal immigrants just in our town is astounding. Add to that the black economy that engages these individuals and the criminality this involves and its easy to understand why tough measures at stopping illegal immigration are required. |
According to the 2021 census, 1 in 6 of the population of England and wales were born outside the UK, thats 10million people and an awful lot of doctors and scientists!
These are just those who filled in the census, so how many are there if you could count all the ones who live illegally under the radar? 11, 12, 15 millions?
The drain on scarce resources is unquantifiable but of course the claim is that NET migration is only in the region of 250-300,000....so thats all right then. Its just those with the financial means and skills that are legging it perhaps because they cant get a doctors appointment in less than a month or their nearest school is now required to teach kids with 45 different languages?
Meanwhile it is rumoured that Rochdale council has bought all the " affordable " new houses at the back of Tesco for housing asylum seekers whilst the waiting list for a council house runs to as much as 8 years for an unmarried mother or a veteran.
Needless to say, come May we will trot out and vote for the continuation of this escalating stupidity by electing the usual suspects, we would do better to dump them all and start afresh. | | | |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 16:03 - Mar 12 with 1614 views | foreverhopefulDale |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 14:40 - Mar 12 by 49thseason |
According to the 2021 census, 1 in 6 of the population of England and wales were born outside the UK, thats 10million people and an awful lot of doctors and scientists!
These are just those who filled in the census, so how many are there if you could count all the ones who live illegally under the radar? 11, 12, 15 millions?
The drain on scarce resources is unquantifiable but of course the claim is that NET migration is only in the region of 250-300,000....so thats all right then. Its just those with the financial means and skills that are legging it perhaps because they cant get a doctors appointment in less than a month or their nearest school is now required to teach kids with 45 different languages?
Meanwhile it is rumoured that Rochdale council has bought all the " affordable " new houses at the back of Tesco for housing asylum seekers whilst the waiting list for a council house runs to as much as 8 years for an unmarried mother or a veteran.
Needless to say, come May we will trot out and vote for the continuation of this escalating stupidity by electing the usual suspects, we would do better to dump them all and start afresh. |
Because illegal immigrants are not on housing lists, education lists, NHS lists surely they can't be a drain on resources, because they can't use those services. And they will be paying taxes because even if they are earning money on the black market, and therefore not paying NI or Income Tax, they will be paying tax on goods they buy in shops or services they buy. Of course no-one would ever be able to tell how many illegal immigrants there are, as they are undocumented, so impossible to know, but if I ever needed a council or social housing home, none of them are responsible for me not being able to get one, because they won't be on the housing waiting list or indeed have an house through the Council. | |
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| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 16:11 - Mar 12 with 1573 views | judd |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 16:03 - Mar 12 by foreverhopefulDale |
Because illegal immigrants are not on housing lists, education lists, NHS lists surely they can't be a drain on resources, because they can't use those services. And they will be paying taxes because even if they are earning money on the black market, and therefore not paying NI or Income Tax, they will be paying tax on goods they buy in shops or services they buy. Of course no-one would ever be able to tell how many illegal immigrants there are, as they are undocumented, so impossible to know, but if I ever needed a council or social housing home, none of them are responsible for me not being able to get one, because they won't be on the housing waiting list or indeed have an house through the Council. |
The black economies don't work like that. The gang masters control "wages" in terms of rent and food. These people have no freedom to spend whatsoever.
Asylum seekers appear to be a priority in terms of social housing. I don't think that is right. | |
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| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 16:19 - Mar 12 with 1544 views | foreverhopefulDale |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 16:11 - Mar 12 by judd |
The black economies don't work like that. The gang masters control "wages" in terms of rent and food. These people have no freedom to spend whatsoever.
Asylum seekers appear to be a priority in terms of social housing. I don't think that is right. |
That's fair enough, but even if they are not paying any tax, they are not using resources like schools and doctors.
The real problem with social housing is that this and the last Labour government have not built or facilitated enough social homes to be built . Also the government have moved asylum seekers to struggling areas like Rochdale rather than Tory areas, therefore putting more strain on the housing stock of Rochdale etc. | |
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| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 16:22 - Mar 12 with 1521 views | James1980 |
For some (not anyone on here I'm sure) one non white person is far too many regardless of how they came to live here. We have food rotting in fields, the hospitality and care industry desperate for staff. But of course the solution is to class everyone not working because they are sick as probably a lead swinging workshy layabout.
As far as taking in refugees/asylum seekers is concerned we do not take our fair share, even basing the figures on how many we take per square mile of landmass compared to other countries in Europe. | |
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| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 16:43 - Mar 12 with 1473 views | judd |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 16:19 - Mar 12 by foreverhopefulDale |
That's fair enough, but even if they are not paying any tax, they are not using resources like schools and doctors.
The real problem with social housing is that this and the last Labour government have not built or facilitated enough social homes to be built . Also the government have moved asylum seekers to struggling areas like Rochdale rather than Tory areas, therefore putting more strain on the housing stock of Rochdale etc. |
Agreed, those effectly imprisoned illegals cannot be taking up those resources. | |
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| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 21:35 - Mar 12 with 1227 views | 49thseason |
| Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 16:43 - Mar 12 by judd |
Agreed, those effectly imprisoned illegals cannot be taking up those resources. |
But what about those awaiting a decision? If the numbers applying are greater than the capacity to cope with their applications, local authorities have to provide services for them and their children, some can be years waiting for a decision. Any teacher or school governor can tell you about kids rolling up at school often unable to speak a word of English together with someone from social services, or in the case of one I know about, a note in English on their phone from SS asking for the child to be admitted... and if there is room at the school they are obliged to accept. The same applies to doctors etc.
Asylum seekers are just that, people wanting to live here because they dont want to live somewhere else. There is no guarantee of acceptance.. so they wait and get the benefit of the local systems until they are either accepted or their appeals eventually fail. And dont forget the numbers only count the person applying for asylum, not their dependants. All Asylum Seekers and Refugees are permitted to register with a GP all children aged 5- 18 have a right to education. | | | |
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