| tomorrow can't come quick enough 14:17 - Oct 16 with 2302697 views | batman |
Not for us, but for Bury.
i was credit checking a potential customer and decided to nosey onto
BFC's file and was (or maybe not) supprised to see a new CCJ for circa £22k lodged
only Wednesday this week.
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 22:35 - Sep 3 with 4125 views | sweetcorn |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 22:06 - Sep 3 by TVOS1907 |
It doesn't strengthen it or weaken it.
You would have to take a fairly large sample size across different age ranges and gender to come up with any valid conclusions.
Also, there will be a lot of fans who have opinions and read the various forums, but don't post.
I reckon the over-riding feeling from here, Facebook and Twitter is that most Dale fans are glad they have gone, but it's only a gut feeling rather than anything scientific. |
It did strengthen my point to shuns original post, didn’t realise it had been edited. |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 01:12 - Sep 4 with 3947 views | Shun |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 22:35 - Sep 3 by sweetcorn |
It did strengthen my point to shuns original post, didn’t realise it had been edited. |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 04:31 - Sep 4 with 3885 views | kiwidale |
Is this going to be the first post to go virus? 905342 hits so far. Considering there is only about 50 of us who post regular on here several of you must be on well over 50 thousand hits.
#Bury obsessed. [Post edited 4 Sep 2019 4:48]
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 06:58 - Sep 4 with 3806 views | kiwidale |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 16:41 - Sep 3 by D_Alien |
I think that's a great idea
There's been plenty of people, both bury fans & Dale fans, who've said "what can we do to stop financial mismanagement from happening". Well, here's something we CAN do
Via the Trust, we need to make it perfectly clear that in any vote to allow bury back into the football league at L2 level, it MUST be opposed by RAFC. If the matter of £70k being lost this season over-rides our views* on this, that's a pretty insignificant sum compared to the disgust and ill-will that would follow
*obviously, not everyone would hold that view, but it wouldn't be difficult to establish what the vast majority view was. For instance, leaflets could be distributed at games to direct people to this website to take part in... yes, a POLL. Or if that might lead to bury fans registering to vote for their club being re-admitted to L2, some other valid means
Would the club take it into account? They'd be very unwise not to do so. It wouldn't be forgotten if they tried to over-ride the view of the fanbase on this issue
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I have read that perhaps the EFL were hasty with there decision to expel Bury and that according to their articles of association any such decision can only be ratified by a vote by all member clubs much like the old re-election vote which perhaps explains the latest dithering by the EFL. Has any club been expelled in the past? many clubs have been voted out by the re-election process also many clubs have resigned over the years when faced with financial insolvency but has any club been expelled without a vote?
part of the latest EFL statement contained this paragraph:
Notwithstanding the above, and in acknowledgement of the extreme nature of the problems at Bury FC, the EFL Board had agreed it is appropriate to discuss the matter with member Clubs. This is a complex situation that raises questions of due process, precedent and fairness as well as financial implications. The EFL will consult with its Clubs over the coming weeks.
Im not looking to cause controversy but its a daft idea letting fans decide which way Rochdale Afc should vote on the expulsion of Bury by which I take it you mean the fans on this forum or perhaps the members of the Dale trust? nobody knows how such a vote would take place or its outcome. lets run with this idea and extend the decision to fans of all 92 clubs affiliated to the EFL. I would suggest based on what I hear from many fans of various premier league, championship, lower leagues and non league clubs that such a vote would be overwhelmingly against the expulsion of any club whether that be Bury or otherwise. This forum does not speak for or express the views all Rochdale fans or speak for the club or for the majority of EFL member clubs something that is lost on this thread. Then again you might be right what do I know. [Post edited 4 Sep 2019 7:29]
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 07:20 - Sep 4 with 3759 views | RAFCBLUE |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 06:58 - Sep 4 by kiwidale |
I have read that perhaps the EFL were hasty with there decision to expel Bury and that according to their articles of association any such decision can only be ratified by a vote by all member clubs much like the old re-election vote which perhaps explains the latest dithering by the EFL. Has any club been expelled in the past? many clubs have been voted out by the re-election process also many clubs have resigned over the years when faced with financial insolvency but has any club been expelled without a vote?
part of the latest EFL statement contained this paragraph:
Notwithstanding the above, and in acknowledgement of the extreme nature of the problems at Bury FC, the EFL Board had agreed it is appropriate to discuss the matter with member Clubs. This is a complex situation that raises questions of due process, precedent and fairness as well as financial implications. The EFL will consult with its Clubs over the coming weeks.
Im not looking to cause controversy but its a daft idea letting fans decide which way Rochdale Afc should vote on the expulsion of Bury by which I take it you mean the fans on this forum or perhaps the members of the Dale trust? nobody knows how such a vote would take place or its outcome. lets run with this idea and extend the decision to fans of all 92 clubs affiliated to the EFL. I would suggest based on what I hear from many fans of various premier league, championship, lower leagues and non league clubs that such a vote would be overwhelmingly against the expulsion of any club whether that be Bury or otherwise. This forum does not speak for or express the views all Rochdale fans or speak for the club or for the majority of EFL member clubs something that is lost on this thread. Then again you might be right what do I know. [Post edited 4 Sep 2019 7:29]
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More of the staff leaving.
How long until Paul Wilkinson gets the boot?
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 07:29 - Sep 4 with 3740 views | pioneer |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 06:58 - Sep 4 by kiwidale |
I have read that perhaps the EFL were hasty with there decision to expel Bury and that according to their articles of association any such decision can only be ratified by a vote by all member clubs much like the old re-election vote which perhaps explains the latest dithering by the EFL. Has any club been expelled in the past? many clubs have been voted out by the re-election process also many clubs have resigned over the years when faced with financial insolvency but has any club been expelled without a vote?
part of the latest EFL statement contained this paragraph:
Notwithstanding the above, and in acknowledgement of the extreme nature of the problems at Bury FC, the EFL Board had agreed it is appropriate to discuss the matter with member Clubs. This is a complex situation that raises questions of due process, precedent and fairness as well as financial implications. The EFL will consult with its Clubs over the coming weeks.
Im not looking to cause controversy but its a daft idea letting fans decide which way Rochdale Afc should vote on the expulsion of Bury by which I take it you mean the fans on this forum or perhaps the members of the Dale trust? nobody knows how such a vote would take place or its outcome. lets run with this idea and extend the decision to fans of all 92 clubs affiliated to the EFL. I would suggest based on what I hear from many fans of various premier league, championship, lower leagues and non league clubs that such a vote would be overwhelmingly against the expulsion of any club whether that be Bury or otherwise. This forum does not speak for or express the views all Rochdale fans or speak for the club or for the majority of EFL member clubs something that is lost on this thread. Then again you might be right what do I know. [Post edited 4 Sep 2019 7:29]
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There are only 72 members of the football league not 92, so it has nothing to do with premier league members.
Bottom line is they didnt meet the criteria set for continuing membership of the football league. I doubt that these decisions need ratifying by all 72 clubs....that would be a recipe for inertia, but if it does so be it.
As previously mentioned on here Port Vale were expelled from the league in 1968, but not for being out of doh ray me. That was not a vote of the then 92 football league clubs. At the time any club not a member of the football league could apply for election to the league at the AGM. They didnt have to be the winners of the highest ranking non league, application was open to anyone but the applications were voted on by the 92 clubs. That is no longer a way of becoming a member of the football league. Membership is based on winning the conference or the play offs ( subject to satisfying certain other criteria eg adequate ground etc)
Under those current rules The boys from the dark side of heywood are not eligible to (re) join the football league. They could always try the rugby league, they let anybody in.
Now do the football league have the small round things to uphold that decision, or will they cave in to the popular media pressure and set a terrible precedent for the future of the football league. I wonder what Alan Hardaker would have said ( no i dont, it would have consisted of two words the first beginning with F) | | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 07:40 - Sep 4 with 3711 views | soulboy |
This is a first, the football authorities asking supporters their opinion if the buckets should be turfed out or not. Does this mean at long last supporters are given a say on the running of the game? Not a chance, it just means the gutless, ineffective, inefficient pathetic EFL are wringing their hands not having a clue about the running of the game. It really is time time for a serious overhaul at the top of the game and this current jobs for the boys shower to be replaced by people who genuinely care for and know the game and who put properly run and honest clubs first. Dont hold your breath though. |  | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 07:49 - Sep 4 with 3697 views | kiwidale |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 07:29 - Sep 4 by pioneer |
There are only 72 members of the football league not 92, so it has nothing to do with premier league members.
Bottom line is they didnt meet the criteria set for continuing membership of the football league. I doubt that these decisions need ratifying by all 72 clubs....that would be a recipe for inertia, but if it does so be it.
As previously mentioned on here Port Vale were expelled from the league in 1968, but not for being out of doh ray me. That was not a vote of the then 92 football league clubs. At the time any club not a member of the football league could apply for election to the league at the AGM. They didnt have to be the winners of the highest ranking non league, application was open to anyone but the applications were voted on by the 92 clubs. That is no longer a way of becoming a member of the football league. Membership is based on winning the conference or the play offs ( subject to satisfying certain other criteria eg adequate ground etc)
Under those current rules The boys from the dark side of heywood are not eligible to (re) join the football league. They could always try the rugby league, they let anybody in.
Now do the football league have the small round things to uphold that decision, or will they cave in to the popular media pressure and set a terrible precedent for the future of the football league. I wonder what Alan Hardaker would have said ( no i dont, it would have consisted of two words the first beginning with F) |
It pays for both of us to check the facts
The 1967—68 season was Port Vale's 56th season of football in the Football League, and their third successive season (fourth overall) in the Fourth Division.[1] A poor season saw them battle to mid-table in order to avoid the re-election zone. Yet it would be off-the-field developments that would worry Vale supporters the most. An FA/Football League Joint-Inquiry investigated the club as club officials were forced to admit several breaches of the rules in regard to payment of players. The result was expulsion from the League, however before the start of the following season a vote of 39 to 9 allowed the club to be immediately readmitted to the competition. .
The English Football League Trophy, known as the Leasing.com Trophy for sponsorship reasons, is an annual English association football knockout competition open to the 48 clubs in EFL League One and EFL League Two, the third and fourth tiers of the English football league system and, since the 2016—17 season, 16 under-21 sides from Premier League and EFL Championship clubs.[1] It is the third most prestigious knockout trophy in English football after the FA Cup and EFL Cup.
confusion still reigns as to whether the premier league clubs are also members of the football league and the Football Association? Participation in the EFL cup suggests that they are associate members if not full members of the EFL. The EFL trophy is a competition run by the Football Association which makes it clear as mud.
The question being raised is not one of Bury eligibility to rejoin the EFL the question is were Bury expelled legally.
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 08:05 - Sep 4 with 3633 views | rochedale |
The decision needs to stand, and should bury have the resources to, they should start from the very bottom of the pyramid. It’s all well and good Bury fans shouting about how the EFL shouldn’t have let SD1&2 pass the fit and proper persons test, can you imagine if this decision was now overturned, every dodgy owner would now know that they could do as they wanted safe in the knowledge any case if a club going into administration would be the fault of the EFL for letting them in in the first place!! Ridiculous. Take your punishment Bury, like the others before you have had to. |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 08:08 - Sep 4 with 3631 views | RAFCBLUE |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 07:29 - Sep 4 by pioneer |
There are only 72 members of the football league not 92, so it has nothing to do with premier league members.
Bottom line is they didnt meet the criteria set for continuing membership of the football league. I doubt that these decisions need ratifying by all 72 clubs....that would be a recipe for inertia, but if it does so be it.
As previously mentioned on here Port Vale were expelled from the league in 1968, but not for being out of doh ray me. That was not a vote of the then 92 football league clubs. At the time any club not a member of the football league could apply for election to the league at the AGM. They didnt have to be the winners of the highest ranking non league, application was open to anyone but the applications were voted on by the 92 clubs. That is no longer a way of becoming a member of the football league. Membership is based on winning the conference or the play offs ( subject to satisfying certain other criteria eg adequate ground etc)
Under those current rules The boys from the dark side of heywood are not eligible to (re) join the football league. They could always try the rugby league, they let anybody in.
Now do the football league have the small round things to uphold that decision, or will they cave in to the popular media pressure and set a terrible precedent for the future of the football league. I wonder what Alan Hardaker would have said ( no i dont, it would have consisted of two words the first beginning with F) |
What’s making me smile is this notion that 71 EFL clubs (bury aren’t an EFL club) get to have a vote on the options:
Option 1. Reinstate bury into League 2 for 2020/21. Relegate 23rd/24th in League 2 and promote 2 from the National League. See immediate appeal from team finishing 23rd.
OR:
Option 2. Put bury out of the League and relegate 1 League 2 club.
I can see about a dozen League 2 clubs and clubs like us, Oldham, Tranmere, Shrewsbury and Accy voting against.
What threshold would bury need to win a vote? A simple majority, a two thirds majority or all members?
Therein lies the farce. The EFL are going to stick to their guns and leave bury to rot for the next 10 months. The financial situation has yet to get any better than before they were expelled.
Remember the onus on on bury to make an application to the FA to play in 2020/21. They way they are run you could see them missing that deadline too. | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 08:11 - Sep 4 with 3621 views | D_Alien |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 06:58 - Sep 4 by kiwidale |
I have read that perhaps the EFL were hasty with there decision to expel Bury and that according to their articles of association any such decision can only be ratified by a vote by all member clubs much like the old re-election vote which perhaps explains the latest dithering by the EFL. Has any club been expelled in the past? many clubs have been voted out by the re-election process also many clubs have resigned over the years when faced with financial insolvency but has any club been expelled without a vote?
part of the latest EFL statement contained this paragraph:
Notwithstanding the above, and in acknowledgement of the extreme nature of the problems at Bury FC, the EFL Board had agreed it is appropriate to discuss the matter with member Clubs. This is a complex situation that raises questions of due process, precedent and fairness as well as financial implications. The EFL will consult with its Clubs over the coming weeks.
Im not looking to cause controversy but its a daft idea letting fans decide which way Rochdale Afc should vote on the expulsion of Bury by which I take it you mean the fans on this forum or perhaps the members of the Dale trust? nobody knows how such a vote would take place or its outcome. lets run with this idea and extend the decision to fans of all 92 clubs affiliated to the EFL. I would suggest based on what I hear from many fans of various premier league, championship, lower leagues and non league clubs that such a vote would be overwhelmingly against the expulsion of any club whether that be Bury or otherwise. This forum does not speak for or express the views all Rochdale fans or speak for the club or for the majority of EFL member clubs something that is lost on this thread. Then again you might be right what do I know. [Post edited 4 Sep 2019 7:29]
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I'm definitely right that if the 71 remaining clubs are asked to vote on bury being reinstated into the efl, we should make our views known. Doesn't really matter how we do that (though via the Trust would be preferable) or even whether it's representative of the fanbase
What actually matters is that a significant and dedicated section of the fanbase would take a Yes vote in the same way we took the 'carriages at the town hall' issue, except even more so. The club were forced to take notice. Doing nothing in such circumstances is not an option; that's something for bury fans to ponder Forever |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 08:12 - Sep 4 with 3619 views | RAFCBLUE |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 07:49 - Sep 4 by kiwidale |
It pays for both of us to check the facts
The 1967—68 season was Port Vale's 56th season of football in the Football League, and their third successive season (fourth overall) in the Fourth Division.[1] A poor season saw them battle to mid-table in order to avoid the re-election zone. Yet it would be off-the-field developments that would worry Vale supporters the most. An FA/Football League Joint-Inquiry investigated the club as club officials were forced to admit several breaches of the rules in regard to payment of players. The result was expulsion from the League, however before the start of the following season a vote of 39 to 9 allowed the club to be immediately readmitted to the competition. .
The English Football League Trophy, known as the Leasing.com Trophy for sponsorship reasons, is an annual English association football knockout competition open to the 48 clubs in EFL League One and EFL League Two, the third and fourth tiers of the English football league system and, since the 2016—17 season, 16 under-21 sides from Premier League and EFL Championship clubs.[1] It is the third most prestigious knockout trophy in English football after the FA Cup and EFL Cup.
confusion still reigns as to whether the premier league clubs are also members of the football league and the Football Association? Participation in the EFL cup suggests that they are associate members if not full members of the EFL. The EFL trophy is a competition run by the Football Association which makes it clear as mud.
The question being raised is not one of Bury eligibility to rejoin the EFL the question is were Bury expelled legally.
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Port Vale’s re-election happened when the rules were re-election not automatic promotion / relegation to/from the football league.
Re-election ended in 1986/87.
bury were expelled in 2019. Re-election doesn’t exist so doesn’t apply. | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 08:14 - Sep 4 with 3610 views | RAFCBLUE |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 20:54 - Sep 3 by MoonyDale |
If you have access to the Bury board go read page 7 and 8 of the thread about tonights meeting, you simply could not make this shit up....And as for drainpipe lady, she's fired off a letter to the EFL again today. Who needs Live At The Apollo when you have those comedians over there? WowWowWow.... |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 08:29 - Sep 4 with 3580 views | fermin |
Given that the EFL have been threatened with legal action I wonder if this is the influencing factor. When I read the Forever Bury post (I think it was them) quoting Articles of Association and Regulations I could find the latter but not the former on the EFL website. It is possible that the Articles of Association require a vote of member clubs for expulsion, in which case Bury would have a point.
In the field I work in cases can get referred to an Ombudsman and quite often the latter can be very pedantic about following procedures to the letter and if you forget to do something, however petty, they can find against you. Maybe the EFL lawyers have said they need to follow the requirements of the Articles to act as a defence against any legal action. It is difficult to know without reading them. However, if this is the case it would be surprising that they were not checked first - after all they had had enough time given all the leeway they had given Bury.
I have found some information on the German licensing system (albeit from 2010) - pages 18 to 22 are the most relevant here, I think:
http://www.sportbusinesscentre.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/ChristianMueller.p [Post edited 4 Sep 2019 9:00]
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 09:00 - Sep 4 with 3500 views | TVOS1907 |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 07:40 - Sep 4 by soulboy |
This is a first, the football authorities asking supporters their opinion if the buckets should be turfed out or not. Does this mean at long last supporters are given a say on the running of the game? Not a chance, it just means the gutless, ineffective, inefficient pathetic EFL are wringing their hands not having a clue about the running of the game. It really is time time for a serious overhaul at the top of the game and this current jobs for the boys shower to be replaced by people who genuinely care for and know the game and who put properly run and honest clubs first. Dont hold your breath though. |
I don't know if I've missed something, but where has it been stated that supporters will be consulted? Or have I been whooshed?
The EFL statement just said 'member Clubs', which means their other 71 clubs. Whether those clubs get views from their supporters organisations (which they won't) is a different matter. |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 09:22 - Sep 4 with 3448 views | SandyDrum |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 09:00 - Sep 4 by TVOS1907 |
I don't know if I've missed something, but where has it been stated that supporters will be consulted? Or have I been whooshed?
The EFL statement just said 'member Clubs', which means their other 71 clubs. Whether those clubs get views from their supporters organisations (which they won't) is a different matter. |
Don't think you've missed anything TVOS.
Also, am I correct in saying that the clubs won't get to vote until Bury FC can prove they are financially stable / sold anyway? | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 09:26 - Sep 4 with 3439 views | pioneer |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 07:49 - Sep 4 by kiwidale |
It pays for both of us to check the facts
The 1967—68 season was Port Vale's 56th season of football in the Football League, and their third successive season (fourth overall) in the Fourth Division.[1] A poor season saw them battle to mid-table in order to avoid the re-election zone. Yet it would be off-the-field developments that would worry Vale supporters the most. An FA/Football League Joint-Inquiry investigated the club as club officials were forced to admit several breaches of the rules in regard to payment of players. The result was expulsion from the League, however before the start of the following season a vote of 39 to 9 allowed the club to be immediately readmitted to the competition. .
The English Football League Trophy, known as the Leasing.com Trophy for sponsorship reasons, is an annual English association football knockout competition open to the 48 clubs in EFL League One and EFL League Two, the third and fourth tiers of the English football league system and, since the 2016—17 season, 16 under-21 sides from Premier League and EFL Championship clubs.[1] It is the third most prestigious knockout trophy in English football after the FA Cup and EFL Cup.
confusion still reigns as to whether the premier league clubs are also members of the football league and the Football Association? Participation in the EFL cup suggests that they are associate members if not full members of the EFL. The EFL trophy is a competition run by the Football Association which makes it clear as mud.
The question being raised is not one of Bury eligibility to rejoin the EFL the question is were Bury expelled legally.
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Yes thats correct, it wasnt a vote of 92 (or 91) football league clubs because at that time clubs in divisions 3 and 4 were not considered full members and only a
had a small number of votes between them). But the point is they applied for election to the football league and were admitted. There is now no mechanism for applying to join the football league. Its automatic promotion to (and relegation from) league 2. | | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 09:29 - Sep 4 with 3424 views | soulboy |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 09:22 - Sep 4 by SandyDrum |
Don't think you've missed anything TVOS.
Also, am I correct in saying that the clubs won't get to vote until Bury FC can prove they are financially stable / sold anyway? |
My mistake, it is the actual clubs that may be able to vote, not the supporters. I was just too quick to find an excuse to put the boot in the shambolic EFL. | | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 09:40 - Sep 4 with 3392 views | kiwidale |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 08:29 - Sep 4 by fermin |
Given that the EFL have been threatened with legal action I wonder if this is the influencing factor. When I read the Forever Bury post (I think it was them) quoting Articles of Association and Regulations I could find the latter but not the former on the EFL website. It is possible that the Articles of Association require a vote of member clubs for expulsion, in which case Bury would have a point.
In the field I work in cases can get referred to an Ombudsman and quite often the latter can be very pedantic about following procedures to the letter and if you forget to do something, however petty, they can find against you. Maybe the EFL lawyers have said they need to follow the requirements of the Articles to act as a defence against any legal action. It is difficult to know without reading them. However, if this is the case it would be surprising that they were not checked first - after all they had had enough time given all the leeway they had given Bury.
I have found some information on the German licensing system (albeit from 2010) - pages 18 to 22 are the most relevant here, I think:
http://www.sportbusinesscentre.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/ChristianMueller.p [Post edited 4 Sep 2019 9:00]
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I think that your summation is pretty spot on the threat of a legal challenge has spooked the EFL to consult their lawyers of particular note in the latest EFL statement are these words.
"the EFL Board had agreed it is appropriate to discuss the matter with member Clubs. This is a complex situation that raises questions of DUE PROCESS PRECEDENT AND FAIRNESS."
Mrs Jeavons and the EFL may have got egg on their faces with the added possibility that Mr Dale could sue the pants of them. | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 09:47 - Sep 4 with 3367 views | SuddenLad |
The EFL should turn the tables and question whether BFC were actually legally members in the first place, according to their own constitution and whether their membership of the EFL should have been rescinded a long time before it actually was.
In effect, they should say to BFC, 'You were bloody lucky you stayed in the EFL as long as you did, so pack your bags and sod off' |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 10:00 - Sep 4 with 3332 views | kiwidale |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 09:47 - Sep 4 by SuddenLad |
The EFL should turn the tables and question whether BFC were actually legally members in the first place, according to their own constitution and whether their membership of the EFL should have been rescinded a long time before it actually was.
In effect, they should say to BFC, 'You were bloody lucky you stayed in the EFL as long as you did, so pack your bags and sod off' |
You can think and say what you like Suddenlad this is after all a football forum but the question remains did the EFL act legally when they expelled Bury without a vote from member clubs? | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 10:26 - Sep 4 with 3256 views | D_Alien |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 08:29 - Sep 4 by fermin |
Given that the EFL have been threatened with legal action I wonder if this is the influencing factor. When I read the Forever Bury post (I think it was them) quoting Articles of Association and Regulations I could find the latter but not the former on the EFL website. It is possible that the Articles of Association require a vote of member clubs for expulsion, in which case Bury would have a point.
In the field I work in cases can get referred to an Ombudsman and quite often the latter can be very pedantic about following procedures to the letter and if you forget to do something, however petty, they can find against you. Maybe the EFL lawyers have said they need to follow the requirements of the Articles to act as a defence against any legal action. It is difficult to know without reading them. However, if this is the case it would be surprising that they were not checked first - after all they had had enough time given all the leeway they had given Bury.
I have found some information on the German licensing system (albeit from 2010) - pages 18 to 22 are the most relevant here, I think:
http://www.sportbusinesscentre.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/ChristianMueller.p [Post edited 4 Sep 2019 9:00]
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Further, it's surprising that none of the members (not least bury) didn't point it out to the efl | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 11:31 - Sep 4 with 3114 views | judd |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 08:11 - Sep 4 by D_Alien |
I'm definitely right that if the 71 remaining clubs are asked to vote on bury being reinstated into the efl, we should make our views known. Doesn't really matter how we do that (though via the Trust would be preferable) or even whether it's representative of the fanbase
What actually matters is that a significant and dedicated section of the fanbase would take a Yes vote in the same way we took the 'carriages at the town hall' issue, except even more so. The club were forced to take notice. Doing nothing in such circumstances is not an option; that's something for bury fans to ponder Forever |
Since the humiliating back down over the farcical gala dinner and it's Wembley and 111th year celebration nonsense, the Trust have been given nothing but lip service. I have no need to mention the numerous issues.
Someone mentioned elsewhere about jobs for the boys or words to that effect. Hmmm... |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 11:40 - Sep 4 with 3097 views | ParkinsGimp |
Sorry , if this shower of a club is let back into the FL 2 I will not bother with football anymore , since it will have lost all credibility.
They need to be punished , you cant go around splashing cash you dont have , to gain an unfair advantage , then not get punished when found out.
Get them down to North West Counties as a phoenix club, but judging form Beardy board thats never going to happen as their meeting falls into chaos LOL | | | |
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