| Our country is fckd match thread 20:04 - Jan 15 with 229107 views | BlackCrowe |
On one side we have a spineless and rudderless government full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
On the other side we have spineless and rudderless opposition full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
Can someone please show us a third way beyond flipping Vince. Failing a Chuka et al third way then Disco, you're the man no to save us from jezwecan, Diane, Sneery Emily and McDonnell no? [Post edited 15 Jan 2019 20:05]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:03 - Feb 8 with 2897 views | CFW |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 11:43 - Feb 8 by queensparker |
The fact that all the Murdoch press and the Telegraph etc are now enthusiastically backing No Deal for me means it's going to happen.
I imagine in a few years when everyoneone who backed No Deal is going to look very stupid indeed, it will all be glossed over, much like the mass support for the Iraq War at the time which now apparently nobody wanted at all.
If you're choosing to believe the out and out lies that No Deal will be "fine" and "they need us more than we need them" and "let's get on with it and get out of the failing EU", then take a look at what Derby is posting, which are actual facts. It won't be fine at all. |
Why is it only the people who want to leave are telling lies? The facts that Derby is posting are coming from the same people who told us that if we voted to leave immediately house prices would fall by 50%, unemployment would be a massive problem, the stock exchange would fall through the floor and we would be in recession.
Total bolloks - stock exchange reached its highest level, interest rates virtually unchanged, employment is at its highest for years, no recession and life carries on.
I am not saying things might be difficult and there will be challenges ahead but personally I would rather put up with that than being told how our country should be run by the French and Germans - who frankly are in no position to talk given what difficulties their countries are currently facing. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:07 - Feb 8 with 2887 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 11:52 - Feb 8 by kensalriser |
Just like the Everton thug who got his face slashed in Bermondsey, we're going to get exactly what we asked for. |
Are you saying we (UK ) have acted like thugs looking for a tear up |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:10 - Feb 8 with 2878 views | Discodroids |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 11:52 - Feb 8 by kensalriser |
Just like the Everton thug who got his face slashed in Bermondsey, we're going to get exactly what we asked for. |
i'm going to wash in dettol after reading this comment . The abasement of it's content is uncharted on the mean mode and median of the humankind ganglia and that of it's higher being fathers and creators that lay undiscovered within the elemental splendour of the Mice Galaxies NGC 4676.
I.ve known lloyds of london reinsurance brokers that loved to get the shit kicked out of them by a dominatrix in leadenhall market with less self beatification credo than this. Turns my stomach over. [Post edited 8 Feb 2019 12:14]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:35 - Feb 8 with 2824 views | TacticalR |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:29 - Jan 17 by CiderwithRsie |
Three ideas I don't buy at all:
1. If we leave the EU they will have to offer us a good deal because we import more from them than we export and we're the 5th biggest economy in the world.
2. We should just get on with it and leave, No Deal if needed, we'll be OK and in future government will be noticeably more democratic, will listen to People Like Us, we'll have control
3. Jeremy Corbyn will end inequality and bring prosperity to all via a bit of light Keynesianism.
You don't hear no 1 so much now it's been tried and shown up for bullish*t.
The other two need to be tried and shown for bullish*t too before we get anywhere. No deal on March 29th and a Lab govt a bit later and then maybe sometime about 2022 we might get something done. It won't be great either but at least it won't be f*****g fantasy island b*llsh*tters' paradise. |
'1. If we leave the EU they will have to offer us a good deal because we import more from them than we export and we're the 5th biggest economy in the world.'
Farage was still coming out with the same stuff last week.
'2. We should just get on with it and leave, No Deal if needed, we'll be OK and in future government will be noticeably more democratic, will listen to People Like Us, we'll have control.'
No Deal is something Ivan Rogers saw coming and warned about when he resigned two years ago.
'Sir Ivan Rogers, who resigned in January complaining of the UK government’s "ill-founded arguments and muddled thinking" and warning it might take 10 years to reach a deal, said leaving the EU without an agreement would be catastrophic because the UK would be in "a legal void".'
Brexit talks could get 'gory, bitter and twisted', says former EU ambassador
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/22/brexit-talks-could-get-gory-bit
Recently Pascal Lamy, former head of the WTO, said that Britain joining the WTO would be like going from the Premiership to the bottom of the football league.
On control, that is the most absurd delusion (or cynicism) of the Brexiteers. Their criticisms of Europe are accompanied by complete suspension of disbelief about Parliament and British capitalism, and the most grandiose illusions about 'People Like Us' controlling society.
'3. Jeremy Corbyn will end inequality and bring prosperity to all via a bit of light Keynesianism.'
Below the surface, the crisis of the social democratic parties is even more profound than that of the conservative parties (and the conservatives parties are in a profound crisis). The conservatives have a simple message, namely that whatever austerity measures necessary to keep capitalism going must be carried out. 'There are no magic money trees'. The social democratic parties are in an even more profound crisis because their Keynesian policies rely on a successful capitalism. That is why in practice for now the policy of the social democrats (Labour in Britain and the Democrats in the USA) consist primarily of not doing anything and waiting for the conservatives to fúck up (which they are most certainly doing). [Post edited 8 Feb 2019 13:06]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:49 - Feb 8 with 2797 views | R_from_afar |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:45 - Feb 7 by QPR_John |
Does that not apply to any country we wish to deal with. |
If you mean that UK companies need to comply with local regulations and standards, then yes, it does.
My point is that EU regulations and standards will affect the UK's trade with the 27 EU countries whether we are in the EU or not. We will still have to take them into account if we want to trade successfully, but we will no longer be able to do much to influence them.
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:08 - Feb 8 with 2741 views | R_from_afar |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:03 - Feb 8 by CFW |
Why is it only the people who want to leave are telling lies? The facts that Derby is posting are coming from the same people who told us that if we voted to leave immediately house prices would fall by 50%, unemployment would be a massive problem, the stock exchange would fall through the floor and we would be in recession.
Total bolloks - stock exchange reached its highest level, interest rates virtually unchanged, employment is at its highest for years, no recession and life carries on.
I am not saying things might be difficult and there will be challenges ahead but personally I would rather put up with that than being told how our country should be run by the French and Germans - who frankly are in no position to talk given what difficulties their countries are currently facing. |
Did you hear what Mark Carney had to say this week? The picture was bleak.
The Pound has plummeted in value.
Businesses are cancelling their investments and relocating.
Investment in UK start-ups is at its lowest in four years.
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:20 - Feb 8 with 2716 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:03 - Feb 8 by derbyhoop |
Tusk is not a civil servant, he is the President of the EU Council. He's been in post since 2014 and was RE_ELECTED in 2017. The Council is made up of the 28 elected Heads of State.
His remarks were contentious, probably deliberately so. He's had to deal with UK negotiators for the last 2 years (- 50 days) who either don't know what they want or can't deliver on what they agree to. I'm sure the remarks were a mark of frustration that the EU has more important things to do than pander to a member who is leaving but still can't agree what it wants.
His targets promised the sun, moon and stars to the British people and haven't the faintest idea how to deliver on those promises. |
"Tusk is not a civil servant, he is the President of the EU Council. He's been in post since 2014 and was RE_ELECTED in 2017. The Council is made up of the 28 elected Heads of State. "
So Tusk's job is to implement the policies of elected politicians [Post edited 8 Feb 2019 13:20]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:24 - Feb 8 with 2703 views | hopphoops |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:10 - Feb 8 by Discodroids |
i'm going to wash in dettol after reading this comment . The abasement of it's content is uncharted on the mean mode and median of the humankind ganglia and that of it's higher being fathers and creators that lay undiscovered within the elemental splendour of the Mice Galaxies NGC 4676.
I.ve known lloyds of london reinsurance brokers that loved to get the shit kicked out of them by a dominatrix in leadenhall market with less self beatification credo than this. Turns my stomach over. [Post edited 8 Feb 2019 12:14]
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Good luck getting hold of dettol after the end of March ;)
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:33 - Feb 8 with 2676 views | Snipper |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:58 - Feb 8 by derbyhoop |
I do now think that the UK will leave on March 29th, almost certainly without a deal. May's deal which she agreed with the EU in November is dead; the EU are not prepared to re-open the Withdrawal Agreement; May is determined to leave and nobody is strong enough to force a no-Brexit option.
If you read any of the Government papers advising what happens in a no-deal, you should be very concerned.
But that's unlikely to be the whole story.
The UK imports 30% of the food it consumes from the EU. Any hold-ups at customs, and that could be rotting in the trucks before it gets across the Channel.
UK exports of agricultural products have to be inspected 100% at a Border Inspection Point. There are 2 BIPs in the EU with capacity - Zeebrugge and Rotterdam. Great news for farmers in West Wales or Cornwall.
Certain medicines, e.g the PM's insulin, are not manufactured in the UK. The Health Sec is talking about chartering planes at 30,000 per flight to fill the gaps.
UK hauliers will get 984 permits to drive in the EU, when, today, they need around 40,000.
Most manufacturing industry (cars and Airbus as examples) rely on Just In Time manufacturing. They keep half a day's production in stock. Any customs delays and those (foreign) companies will start withdrawing investment and models and, eventually, shutting plants where they have an unstable supply chain.
Any company that has been exporting to or importing from the EU only, will have to undertake a reworking of their systems and incur extra costs. It is only about 9% of all UK companies but that still gives 350,000 companies.
Financial Services companies will lose passporting rights and have already migrated some jobs to EU locations - not many so far, but it could well increase significantly. But they only employ 1.2m people and contribute 12% of UK tax revenue.
Who has faith that Chris Grayling can keep the transport arteries open? Are the plans for avoiding motorway traffic jams on roads leading to the ports, sufficiently developed. We can always recruit additional ferry capacity by calling on companies with no ships, no experience and using a port that isn't a port.
How quickly will the Home Office grant "settled status"to 3m EU citizens in the UK, assuming those EU nationals still want to stay in a hostile environment. I'm sure the NHS can manage without EU doctors and nurses.
But I don't believe it will be a complete catastrophe. The first 6 months will be very difficult. After that, it will be a steady decline.
I shall look on with interest from within the EU. |
Fcuk me, talk about Armageddon and scare mongering 101.
What about the European countries not part of the EU ? I’m pretty sure that they’re not starving to death or in very short supply of medicines.
If we were only wanting to join this EU bollocks now, and we were having a referendum about joining, I reckon it’d be an 80% vote to not join.
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:50 - Feb 8 with 2659 views | Discodroids |
Good point HH. I better stock up on super glue for the forthcoming deserved slashing of my cheek tendons, muscles, ligaments, nerves blood vessels and bone. | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:52 - Feb 8 with 2652 views | bob566 |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:33 - Feb 8 by Snipper |
Fcuk me, talk about Armageddon and scare mongering 101.
What about the European countries not part of the EU ? I’m pretty sure that they’re not starving to death or in very short supply of medicines.
If we were only wanting to join this EU bollocks now, and we were having a referendum about joining, I reckon it’d be an 80% vote to not join.
The EU is a busted flush. |
Norway, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Kosovo, Albania, Macedonia, Ukraine, Moldova, Iceland, Belarus, Russia and Turkey and switzerland
personally I wouldn't want to live in any of those bar maybe Norway, switzerland or Iceland. Very limited human rights in the others. I wouldn't say the other economies are booming either bar Norways and switzerlands. Norway have an abundance of oil and gas and fisheries. UK have pretty much used up their oil and gas (I think. Haven't looked up reserve figures nor would I understand what I was looking at if I did)
Also of those countries listed all the Balkans want in and so does turkey.
A positive for leaving the euro though is that you will have your own fishery restrictions in place.
I do think the UK will struggle at first. Could be 20 years of austerity. I do think some businesses will pull out and relocate to Poland etc but I do believe in the long term you should come out the other side. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:18 - Feb 8 with 2602 views | jonno |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:08 - Feb 8 by R_from_afar |
Did you hear what Mark Carney had to say this week? The picture was bleak.
The Pound has plummeted in value.
Businesses are cancelling their investments and relocating.
Investment in UK start-ups is at its lowest in four years.
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The pound fell sharply after the referendum vote, it was overvalued previously anyway and was talked down by a lot of the rhetoric being spoken at the time. Since then it has traded in a pretty tight range, roughly between 1.12 and 1.16 euro. Currently 1.14230. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:58 - Feb 8 with 2555 views | RangersDave |
anyone ever played 'euro truck / british truck' on the m20?
if you did youd be stunned at how many left hookers there are to right hand drive ones.
as an ex driver myself, you would take note of the euros coming into the country to do an out and back run, but have extended range belly tanks on their vehicles so their team back home coulld get them 'internal' cheap work for 4 days before going home.... at the time euro diesel was way cheaper than uk fuel, so they put drivers, potentially out of jobs.
i worked another time for a transport company moving car parts for vauxhall from the dartford docks to Alconbury, then onto Ellesmere port. 74 uk drivers there were there, at the time.
the management actively sought polish drivers at cheaper wages and within 2 months of them trying that, the whole driving workforce was polish, and we were out.
What really gets me is that the euros say we will need to pay a tax to go to countries in europe, but we dont say the same, there are a lot of toll roads over there and countries you need to buy a carnet for, but not here for foreign traffic.
i know ive rambled but im getting a bit sick of all the project fear 1 way traffic with no real stance on what we will do once we are, thankfully, out. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:07 - Feb 8 with 2548 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:18 - Feb 8 by jonno |
The pound fell sharply after the referendum vote, it was overvalued previously anyway and was talked down by a lot of the rhetoric being spoken at the time. Since then it has traded in a pretty tight range, roughly between 1.12 and 1.16 euro. Currently 1.14230. |
Kind of convenient that that correction which was definitely going to happen at some point anyway happened the day after the referendum. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 20:04 - Feb 8 with 2448 views | paulparker |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 11:52 - Feb 8 by kensalriser |
Just like the Everton thug who got his face slashed in Bermondsey, we're going to get exactly what we asked for. |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 21:06 - Feb 8 with 2406 views | kensalriser |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 20:04 - Feb 8 by paulparker |
Congratulations you have just won non sequitur of the month |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 21:24 - Feb 8 with 2389 views | Miss_Terraces |
As a leave voter, I found Kensal's post a bit crass
but there is a lot of truth, in what he said. I don't think he meant it, the way it's been taken. We are all frustrated how this is turning out. This frustration is understandable. | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 22:47 - Feb 8 with 2328 views | derbyhoop |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:03 - Feb 8 by CFW |
Why is it only the people who want to leave are telling lies? The facts that Derby is posting are coming from the same people who told us that if we voted to leave immediately house prices would fall by 50%, unemployment would be a massive problem, the stock exchange would fall through the floor and we would be in recession.
Total bolloks - stock exchange reached its highest level, interest rates virtually unchanged, employment is at its highest for years, no recession and life carries on.
I am not saying things might be difficult and there will be challenges ahead but personally I would rather put up with that than being told how our country should be run by the French and Germans - who frankly are in no position to talk given what difficulties their countries are currently facing. |
My facts, and they are facts as you freely acknowledge, do not come from George Osborne's 2016 Treasury.
Many come from UK Gov published advice, e.g. food import %, haulage licenses
The Health Secretary, Matt Hancock, has boasted about emergency medicine flights and being the biggest buyer of fridges in Europe.
The warnings of Food shortages came from a consortium of all the major food retailers.
The warnings of JIT come from the heads of Car manufacturing plants. On Airbus from the CEO.
Grayling's attempt to simulate M20 blockages involved a trial run of 85 lorries from Manston to the roundabout near Dover port. Nowhere near the scale of daily journeys to/from Dover.
Thanet Council were all set to pull funding for Ramsgate port last night. The ferry company without ferries was widely reported.
The rapid run down in inward investment was, once again, widely reported this week, as was the virtual stagnation of the UK economy in January.
Admittedly, employment has held up surprisingly well but the stock market is well off its peak and every time there is a threat of no deal, the £:€ rate falls, despite Eurozone weakness.
As I said, I don't think the immediate effects will be a total disaster. There will be difficulties and, in time, the UK will adapt. JRM thought the opportunities will, become apparent over 50 years.
But what do I know? Only what I've been reading up on for the last 3 years. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 23:09 - Feb 8 with 2303 views | AnonymousR |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 22:47 - Feb 8 by derbyhoop |
My facts, and they are facts as you freely acknowledge, do not come from George Osborne's 2016 Treasury.
Many come from UK Gov published advice, e.g. food import %, haulage licenses
The Health Secretary, Matt Hancock, has boasted about emergency medicine flights and being the biggest buyer of fridges in Europe.
The warnings of Food shortages came from a consortium of all the major food retailers.
The warnings of JIT come from the heads of Car manufacturing plants. On Airbus from the CEO.
Grayling's attempt to simulate M20 blockages involved a trial run of 85 lorries from Manston to the roundabout near Dover port. Nowhere near the scale of daily journeys to/from Dover.
Thanet Council were all set to pull funding for Ramsgate port last night. The ferry company without ferries was widely reported.
The rapid run down in inward investment was, once again, widely reported this week, as was the virtual stagnation of the UK economy in January.
Admittedly, employment has held up surprisingly well but the stock market is well off its peak and every time there is a threat of no deal, the £:€ rate falls, despite Eurozone weakness.
As I said, I don't think the immediate effects will be a total disaster. There will be difficulties and, in time, the UK will adapt. JRM thought the opportunities will, become apparent over 50 years.
But what do I know? Only what I've been reading up on for the last 3 years. |
All the things which were meant to happen were when we left. In case people haven't noticed, we haven't left yet. The worst ( and it will be a lot worse) is still yet to come.
The reason the pound 'only' 15% of value in the $ after the referendum was because of the action the BoE took immediately after the vote. This included a cut in interest rates and QE of £100bn in funds for commercial banks to keep the markets stable and prevent a crash. In addition, they promised a further £150bn in QE if needed. This would artificially prevent the markets from tanking and was recognised late in 2016 to be problematic with the rise in personal credit owing to the low rates. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 23:11 - Feb 8 with 2297 views | qprxtc |
We’re all going to be dad on 100 years. Ain’t no coming back from that and no bastard will give a cock.
It’s all b0llivks. Go out and do something else you hits. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 00:54 - Feb 9 with 2250 views | Tearsofrage |
Genuinely sad that the UK has painted itself into a "No Deal" corner - please God Not but that the vote, which was advisory, has now become a sacrosanct neo-religious absolute truth along the lines of " The people have spoken". What pathetic and genuinely dangerously crass nonsense peddled by certain areas of the media! The concept that an electorate is dis-empowered from changing its mind is completely against all elements of parliamentary democracy. How many votes did it take for the Swiss to recognise they'd got it wrong about female enfranchisement? Electorates develop. They don't remain static. What we are viewing is the triumph of the chancers who have little idea about the harm a no deal-exit will cause. The mantra of "project fear" is convenient for the likes of Rees-Mogg, Johnson and Gove who will make an enormous financial killing from the collapse of the UK currency. Meanwhile the "Mail" and "Sun" -reading population is deceived into believing that a blue passport `will ensure the return of the good times. Cheap and nasty patriotism invoking Agincourt, Waterloo and the 1966 World Cup are simple means of conning the victims of austerity that a return to these times will solve years of failure to invest in massive areas of the country. Sometimes when you stand at the edge of a cliff,you need to ignore the advice of the nutter behind you to jump - cos it can't get any worse, can it? |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 02:01 - Feb 9 with 2224 views | Sharpy36 |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 22:47 - Feb 8 by derbyhoop |
My facts, and they are facts as you freely acknowledge, do not come from George Osborne's 2016 Treasury.
Many come from UK Gov published advice, e.g. food import %, haulage licenses
The Health Secretary, Matt Hancock, has boasted about emergency medicine flights and being the biggest buyer of fridges in Europe.
The warnings of Food shortages came from a consortium of all the major food retailers.
The warnings of JIT come from the heads of Car manufacturing plants. On Airbus from the CEO.
Grayling's attempt to simulate M20 blockages involved a trial run of 85 lorries from Manston to the roundabout near Dover port. Nowhere near the scale of daily journeys to/from Dover.
Thanet Council were all set to pull funding for Ramsgate port last night. The ferry company without ferries was widely reported.
The rapid run down in inward investment was, once again, widely reported this week, as was the virtual stagnation of the UK economy in January.
Admittedly, employment has held up surprisingly well but the stock market is well off its peak and every time there is a threat of no deal, the £:€ rate falls, despite Eurozone weakness.
As I said, I don't think the immediate effects will be a total disaster. There will be difficulties and, in time, the UK will adapt. JRM thought the opportunities will, become apparent over 50 years.
But what do I know? Only what I've been reading up on for the last 3 years. |
Facts ?, all i see is warnings. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 06:47 - Feb 9 with 2164 views | Mistication92 |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:33 - Feb 8 by Snipper |
Fcuk me, talk about Armageddon and scare mongering 101.
What about the European countries not part of the EU ? I’m pretty sure that they’re not starving to death or in very short supply of medicines.
If we were only wanting to join this EU bollocks now, and we were having a referendum about joining, I reckon it’d be an 80% vote to not join.
The EU is a busted flush. |
Well duh, they've not spent 40 years entwined in a trading bloc have they? If you spend 40 years in one, taking on all the regulations and rules and then one day decide to leave, it's going to cause more problems than just deciding not to be part of it from day one. FFS. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:10 - Feb 9 with 2116 views | traininvain |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 02:01 - Feb 9 by Sharpy36 |
Facts ?, all i see is warnings. |
The two aren’t mutually exclusive. |  | | |
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