| Ospreys 13:09 - Jul 8 with 6599 views | YrAlarch |
Have announced that they will move to St Helens,Swansea from Season 2025/26.
There will be substantial ground improvements, including a 4G pitch.
Not been announced where Swansea CC will move to.
St Helens will be shared with Swansea RFC and Swansea University RFC.
From WR thread.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c98q79j7y90o
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| Ospreys on 19:05 - Dec 20 with 1667 views | KeithHaynes |
I’ve still to get a reply from the club on the Swans payments to the Ospreys throughout the season, especially the last three. |  |
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| Ospreys on 23:27 - Dec 20 with 1559 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Ospreys on 11:07 - Jul 9 by majorraglan |
I think you’ll find it was Cardiff City Council that wrote off a lot of the Sophia Gardens costs.
St Helens is a poor ground, it was a terrible ground when I watched cricket there back in the day. Operating 2 stadiums is a costly so it comes down to prioritising and Sophia Gardens won. I think if offers so much more than St Helens. |
It is not that costly operating two stadiums most of the cost running St Helens was not bourne by Glamorgan. They pay a relatively small match high fee. The match day costs were more than covered by local sponsorship and generous donations by the balconies.
What Glamorgan did lose when they reduced championship games to Sunday league games to 1 a season was large gate receipts and membership from Swansea postcodes including Pembrokeshire and Carmarthenshire. Once there were 5000 Glamorgan members in the area now less than a couple 100.
A loss of membership income of over £500,000 a year.
The Cardiff area membership has not increased either despite more games.
The development of Sophia Gardens nearly bankrupted the club as income from infrequent test matches never reached Glamorgans estates.
They were only saved from bankruptcy by Cardiff City Council and the Glamorgan chairmen writing of millions in loans as well as a financial bale out from the ECB. | |
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| Ospreys on 19:10 - Dec 21 with 1456 views | theloneranger |
Ospreys 23 v 22 Scarlets |  |
| Everyday above ground ... Is a good day! 😎 |
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| Ospreys on 19:19 - Dec 21 with 1434 views | Whiterockin |
| Ospreys on 19:10 - Dec 21 by theloneranger |
Ospreys 23 v 22 Scarlets |
Cracking game won in red time. |  | | |
| Ospreys on 19:26 - Dec 21 with 1410 views | max936 |
| Ospreys on 19:19 - Dec 21 by Whiterockin |
Cracking game won in red time. |
It was indeed great game between two mediocre teams , first half it looked like the Scarlets were going to run away with it Ospreys dug in and stuck at it and got the win in Fergie time 
Jack Morgan is a class act fair play.  |  |
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| Ospreys on 20:34 - Dec 21 with 1382 views | onehunglow |
| Ospreys on 19:26 - Dec 21 by max936 |
It was indeed great game between two mediocre teams , first half it looked like the Scarlets were going to run away with it Ospreys dug in and stuck at it and got the win in Fergie time
Jack Morgan is a class act fair play. |
Enjoyed that.
At least the ending
Always good to send the Turks back over the bridge tail between legs | |
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| Ospreys on 20:42 - Dec 21 with 1373 views | builthjack |
They did the kick off time to attract a good crowd. 6,836. Local derby. |  |
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| Ospreys on 20:52 - Dec 21 with 1353 views | onehunglow |
| Ospreys on 20:42 - Dec 21 by builthjack |
They did the kick off time to attract a good crowd. 6,836. Local derby. |
Pitiful really. It shows people have lost interest on both football and rugby | |
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| Ospreys on 21:13 - Dec 21 with 1334 views | Whiterockin |
| Ospreys on 20:42 - Dec 21 by builthjack |
They did the kick off time to attract a good crowd. 6,836. Local derby. |
Us being home for 2 matches over Christmas didn't help the Ospreys as we have priority on days. Next year will be different as the fixture will revert to the normal boxing day irrespective to whether we are home the same day or not. | | | |
| Ospreys on 21:15 - Dec 21 with 1322 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Ospreys on 20:52 - Dec 21 by onehunglow |
Pitiful really. It shows people have lost interest on both football and rugby |
Well it shows the WRU have all but destroyed the fanbase for rugby. Several years back the place would have been full to the rafters with more people wanting tickets.
Football crowds have dropped a bit but tonowhere near the same degree as rugby.
If the WRU culls the Ospreys they may as well close the whole shoddy edifice down because when the most succesful region gets culled, what is the point? Can you imagine any other sport in any country deciding to cull a team and then choose the historically best team as the victim? It would just look like a spot of sports gerrymandering, get the )'s out of the way so Cardiff have a chance. | | | |
| Ospreys on 21:20 - Dec 21 with 1316 views | onehunglow |
| Ospreys on 21:15 - Dec 21 by SullutaCreturned |
Well it shows the WRU have all but destroyed the fanbase for rugby. Several years back the place would have been full to the rafters with more people wanting tickets.
Football crowds have dropped a bit but tonowhere near the same degree as rugby.
If the WRU culls the Ospreys they may as well close the whole shoddy edifice down because when the most succesful region gets culled, what is the point? Can you imagine any other sport in any country deciding to cull a team and then choose the historically best team as the victim? It would just look like a spot of sports gerrymandering, get the )'s out of the way so Cardiff have a chance. |
Have an up arrow
Thankfully,I remember the good days
Swansea Llanelli always special
They hated us | |
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| Ospreys on 22:04 - Dec 21 with 1270 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Ospreys on 20:52 - Dec 21 by onehunglow |
Pitiful really. It shows people have lost interest on both football and rugby |
The regions have been lazy. Shrinkage was not an option let alone a choice. What efforts were made to get those 14,000 free seats at the Swansea.com filled?
The Irish gave done it. Shrinkage leads to extinction. |  |
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| Ospreys on 19:03 - Dec 23 with 1092 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Ospreys on 22:04 - Dec 21 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The regions have been lazy. Shrinkage was not an option let alone a choice. What efforts were made to get those 14,000 free seats at the Swansea.com filled?
The Irish gave done it. Shrinkage leads to extinction. |
This hasn't been the regions fault per se, this is because of how the WRU have handled the whole situation, they made a mess of it. It's the WRU who have ruined Welsh rugby, not the regions.
The Ospreys have tried cheaper tickets, family tickets, they tried several things to get the crowds in. Many rugby fans though, were not happy with the regions, the WRU tore up decades of history for several clubs and let 2 stand alone, Llanelli and Cardiff, which generated bad feeling. Neath and Swansea were never great bedfellows and playing all the games in Swansea does rankle with Neath fans with many choosing to follow the amaruer side.
You continue to call it shrinkage but lets wait and see, if it turns out to be a good move I'll be looking forward to your take on it then.
There is an old saying about "cutting your cloth" and I believe this is what the Ospreys are doing. It's not shrinkage, it's a reset. | | | |
| Ospreys on 19:55 - Dec 23 with 1060 views | Whiterockin |
| Ospreys on 19:03 - Dec 23 by SullutaCreturned |
This hasn't been the regions fault per se, this is because of how the WRU have handled the whole situation, they made a mess of it. It's the WRU who have ruined Welsh rugby, not the regions.
The Ospreys have tried cheaper tickets, family tickets, they tried several things to get the crowds in. Many rugby fans though, were not happy with the regions, the WRU tore up decades of history for several clubs and let 2 stand alone, Llanelli and Cardiff, which generated bad feeling. Neath and Swansea were never great bedfellows and playing all the games in Swansea does rankle with Neath fans with many choosing to follow the amaruer side.
You continue to call it shrinkage but lets wait and see, if it turns out to be a good move I'll be looking forward to your take on it then.
There is an old saying about "cutting your cloth" and I believe this is what the Ospreys are doing. It's not shrinkage, it's a reset. |
Neath are not even in the 2nd tier of Welsh rugby. | | | |
| Ospreys on 13:17 - Dec 24 with 903 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Ospreys on 19:03 - Dec 23 by SullutaCreturned |
This hasn't been the regions fault per se, this is because of how the WRU have handled the whole situation, they made a mess of it. It's the WRU who have ruined Welsh rugby, not the regions.
The Ospreys have tried cheaper tickets, family tickets, they tried several things to get the crowds in. Many rugby fans though, were not happy with the regions, the WRU tore up decades of history for several clubs and let 2 stand alone, Llanelli and Cardiff, which generated bad feeling. Neath and Swansea were never great bedfellows and playing all the games in Swansea does rankle with Neath fans with many choosing to follow the amaruer side.
You continue to call it shrinkage but lets wait and see, if it turns out to be a good move I'll be looking forward to your take on it then.
There is an old saying about "cutting your cloth" and I believe this is what the Ospreys are doing. It's not shrinkage, it's a reset. |
The game hasd no choice but to change. It was not an option but a necessity. Scottish rugby can only fund two teams so how could Wales support ten?
The negative mindset of Welsh rugby fans is too blame. The god old days were never going to last. You see this narrow mindset on this forum. The Irish have four good strong regions..Their worst is better than Welsh best. | |
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| Ospreys on 17:58 - Dec 24 with 858 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Ospreys on 13:17 - Dec 24 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The game hasd no choice but to change. It was not an option but a necessity. Scottish rugby can only fund two teams so how could Wales support ten?
The negative mindset of Welsh rugby fans is too blame. The god old days were never going to last. You see this narrow mindset on this forum. The Irish have four good strong regions..Their worst is better than Welsh best. |
It needed change, agreed BUT it was the manner of the change that was the problem. If we were to have regions they should have had proper regions and not left Cardiff and Llanelli alone.
I have heard this many times from proper rugby fans, fans who choose not to follow a region too. They say we should have left the clubs to stand in a league structure and put 2, maybe 3 regions in with the clubs based in those regions feeding the senior side.
The suggestion was to Have South East and South West Wales, some felt we should have a region covering the rest of Wales but based up North.
What the WRU did was half assed, it pandered to Cardiff and the Turks but really cheesed off most other rugby fans.
It has nothing to do with a negative mindset either, the rugby fans wanted better but were given dross, the negative mindset belonged to the WRU who even now, when talking about ditching a region never suggest Cardiff or Llanelli but always talk about the other two and one of them is historically the most succesful region, the Ospreys.
The chaos created by the WRU has taken root in the national team too, as we see with it's worst ever run ongoing. Welsh rugby fans have every right to be negative right now. The WRU created this mess and the fans can do nothing about it besides stay away, which it seems they are. | | | |
| Ospreys on 17:45 - Dec 25 with 729 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Ospreys on 17:58 - Dec 24 by SullutaCreturned |
It needed change, agreed BUT it was the manner of the change that was the problem. If we were to have regions they should have had proper regions and not left Cardiff and Llanelli alone.
I have heard this many times from proper rugby fans, fans who choose not to follow a region too. They say we should have left the clubs to stand in a league structure and put 2, maybe 3 regions in with the clubs based in those regions feeding the senior side.
The suggestion was to Have South East and South West Wales, some felt we should have a region covering the rest of Wales but based up North.
What the WRU did was half assed, it pandered to Cardiff and the Turks but really cheesed off most other rugby fans.
It has nothing to do with a negative mindset either, the rugby fans wanted better but were given dross, the negative mindset belonged to the WRU who even now, when talking about ditching a region never suggest Cardiff or Llanelli but always talk about the other two and one of them is historically the most succesful region, the Ospreys.
The chaos created by the WRU has taken root in the national team too, as we see with it's worst ever run ongoing. Welsh rugby fans have every right to be negative right now. The WRU created this mess and the fans can do nothing about it besides stay away, which it seems they are. |
The same mindset the same logic. The 2016 sale. It was not the sale that fans objected to but the " way or was carried out." I have heard that one so many times.
Now Cardiff, Llanelli and Newport are standalone and the best "region" the Ospreys cannot get more than 7000 for a derby. They even. Play at Bridgend sometimes.
The product is poor. | |
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| Ospreys on 20:22 - Dec 25 with 669 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Ospreys on 17:45 - Dec 25 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The same mindset the same logic. The 2016 sale. It was not the sale that fans objected to but the " way or was carried out." I have heard that one so many times.
Now Cardiff, Llanelli and Newport are standalone and the best "region" the Ospreys cannot get more than 7000 for a derby. They even. Play at Bridgend sometimes.
The product is poor. |
Only Cardiff and Llanelli are standalone, they kept their names, the Ospreys and th Dragons were the only 2 actual regions and the fans of Neath and Swansea were bitter about that.
It's something you never understand or accept, when something is done in a shoddy, mediocre or bad way, people won't like it.
The product is poor and that is down to the WRU and their silly rules as much as the regions. The caps rule along with the financial cuts have driven players out of Wales. That has affected the quality at regional and international level.
The logic isn't faulty and the mindset isn't what you claim it to be, it's not timid or negative. They are striving to improve, they want to take control of their own stadium and how it's run. | | | |
| Ospreys on 17:23 - Dec 26 with 520 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Ospreys on 20:22 - Dec 25 by SullutaCreturned |
Only Cardiff and Llanelli are standalone, they kept their names, the Ospreys and th Dragons were the only 2 actual regions and the fans of Neath and Swansea were bitter about that.
It's something you never understand or accept, when something is done in a shoddy, mediocre or bad way, people won't like it.
The product is poor and that is down to the WRU and their silly rules as much as the regions. The caps rule along with the financial cuts have driven players out of Wales. That has affected the quality at regional and international level.
The logic isn't faulty and the mindset isn't what you claim it to be, it's not timid or negative. They are striving to improve, they want to take control of their own stadium and how it's run. |
I agree about the caps rule. all Welsh eligible players should be able to play.
The Swansea.com set up was ideal for synergies. If Ospreys become successful the St Helens stadium will be redundant. It is included somewhere imagination incorporating the old s cricket bowl I might give it a one credit but the new design is cheap and nasty. | |
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| Ospreys on 18:31 - Dec 26 with 471 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Ospreys on 17:23 - Dec 26 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I agree about the caps rule. all Welsh eligible players should be able to play.
The Swansea.com set up was ideal for synergies. If Ospreys become successful the St Helens stadium will be redundant. It is included somewhere imagination incorporating the old s cricket bowl I might give it a one credit but the new design is cheap and nasty. |
Given what you have said about Swansea people deing, dumb I''l have one more crack at this....
The synergies you keep cracking on about...they haven't helped, the Ospreys situation has been getting progressively worse. These synergies, even if they exist, they are NOT helping and so the Ospreys feel the need to move to a ground they control.
Cricket died a death in Swansea, there were hardly any games and only one per season of any note. It was pointless catering to something that provided no real benefit compared to the rsources it consumed.
St Helens won't become redundant because, as Whiterockin inflrmed us, the ground can be extended if needed. So the ground suits their current needs and can be improved to suit any future success.
Now that should be enough, surely (unless you really are the proverbial donkeys knob) you can understand that. If the Ospreys believed staying at the football ground was better for them, they would have stayed. Speaking factually, the people who have all the information have decided a move away from the Swansea.com is the best thing for them. Maybe you should concede that the people with ALL the information and possibly who have a higher intellect have made this decision for very good reasons and that they know better than you | | | |
| Ospreys on 23:40 - Dec 26 with 386 views | Robbie |
Looks like Swansea City Council are now dependent on Swansea University as a backer for this eloborate all singing and dancing project of a simulated 4g Paradise moving forward .
Nice project it seems on the drawing board but long term will St . Helens ever survive the relentless demand for student accomodation as we see now all over the City .
Public opinion , myself included would love to travel back to The Vetch and Glamorgan Cricket Club playing in nostalgic venues , these thoughts are long gone .
Give it a few years St. Helens will be advertised as apartments with spectacular sea views and a prime sight for incoming investors .
Really thought it might have been sold off to developers years ago . | | | |
| Ospreys on 01:49 - Dec 27 with 358 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Ospreys on 18:31 - Dec 26 by SullutaCreturned |
Given what you have said about Swansea people deing, dumb I''l have one more crack at this....
The synergies you keep cracking on about...they haven't helped, the Ospreys situation has been getting progressively worse. These synergies, even if they exist, they are NOT helping and so the Ospreys feel the need to move to a ground they control.
Cricket died a death in Swansea, there were hardly any games and only one per season of any note. It was pointless catering to something that provided no real benefit compared to the rsources it consumed.
St Helens won't become redundant because, as Whiterockin inflrmed us, the ground can be extended if needed. So the ground suits their current needs and can be improved to suit any future success.
Now that should be enough, surely (unless you really are the proverbial donkeys knob) you can understand that. If the Ospreys believed staying at the football ground was better for them, they would have stayed. Speaking factually, the people who have all the information have decided a move away from the Swansea.com is the best thing for them. Maybe you should concede that the people with ALL the information and possibly who have a higher intellect have made this decision for very good reasons and that they know better than you |
I do not think I have called Swansea people dumb. The members of the Trust were extremely passive and allowed their leaders to miss the chance of cashing in £20m. No one is blamed or held accountable. Voting for Brexit was not too clever.
No one has explained their logic which means they are not fit to make any decisions of significance.
Ospreys play a bad brand of rugby which no one wants to watch. This is the problem. Everything was set up for them to be a success. A modestly sized stadium, car parking restaurants presumably low rents.
The only problem was the product on the field and the non development of players. They have voted to shrink. Shrinkage as a long term strategy cannot work. | |
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| Ospreys on 06:34 - Dec 27 with 341 views | Whiterockin |
| Ospreys on 01:49 - Dec 27 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I do not think I have called Swansea people dumb. The members of the Trust were extremely passive and allowed their leaders to miss the chance of cashing in £20m. No one is blamed or held accountable. Voting for Brexit was not too clever.
No one has explained their logic which means they are not fit to make any decisions of significance.
Ospreys play a bad brand of rugby which no one wants to watch. This is the problem. Everything was set up for them to be a success. A modestly sized stadium, car parking restaurants presumably low rents.
The only problem was the product on the field and the non development of players. They have voted to shrink. Shrinkage as a long term strategy cannot work. |
Before you criticise the Ospreys attendance figures look at ours. The Ospreys are doing what they feel is right or them who are we to criticise. The link up with the university and the council will benefit the people of Swansea and students for generations. It has no bearing on you as you are not a resident, do not attend the Swansea.com stadium or watch the Ospreys so what difference does it make to you, butt out. | | | |
| Ospreys on 11:12 - Dec 27 with 268 views | AnotherJohn |
I've always liked the St Helen's ground, and felt the atmosphere and history outweighed the shortcomings some posters mentioned. It is a pity the Cricketers' pub is now student accommodation, but there are now several other bars and restaurants a short walk away. A couple of surprising facts: 1. St Helen's has the biggest record attendance of any Swansea sports stadium (over 50K for a cricket fixture against Australia in 1948 and 45K for a rugby match against South Africa in 1931). 2. Tallest freestanding floodlight pylon in Europe in the Cricketers' corner of the ground.
Edit. On checking the Wales vs New Zealand rugby match at St Helens in 1924 had a recorded attendance of 50,000. [Post edited 27 Dec 11:48]
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| Ospreys on 13:44 - Dec 27 with 193 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Ospreys on 23:40 - Dec 26 by Robbie |
Looks like Swansea City Council are now dependent on Swansea University as a backer for this eloborate all singing and dancing project of a simulated 4g Paradise moving forward .
Nice project it seems on the drawing board but long term will St . Helens ever survive the relentless demand for student accomodation as we see now all over the City .
Public opinion , myself included would love to travel back to The Vetch and Glamorgan Cricket Club playing in nostalgic venues , these thoughts are long gone .
Give it a few years St. Helens will be advertised as apartments with spectacular sea views and a prime sight for incoming investors .
Really thought it might have been sold off to developers years ago . |
There are pelnty of sites for student accomodation elsewhere. It's why the numerous private landlords across Brynmill and Uplands are now housing the various down and outs and needy people sent by the council, there isn't the student demand because of all the big blocks of flats.
Nostalgia is great, I'd love a return to a ground like the Vetch but that will never happen now. Even if the East stand went all terraced, we'd never be allowed the numbers on it like we sometimes got on the North bank.
When you say a few years, how many is that..5..10? I'll put 50 quid on it now that won't happen because if demand is that high for student digs it'll all be built by then.
Besides all that, I'm not sure the Rec can be sold to developers. | | | |
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