| The 20MPH punishments 08:34 - Aug 3 with 138459 views | SullutaCreturned |
Well the punishment for breaking the limit,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/police-confirm-how-punish-drivers-
Given how many idiots are on the roads, the delivery drivers under pressure and the actual difficutly in staying below 20 (it is difficult, I do it every week when I go to Cardiff and it's harder than you'd think, specially going downhill) there will be a lot of speeding going on.
The Senedd expect the fire brigade to become a road safety unit, how stupid is that? The fire brigade have their job and it's hard enough for them to do that the way the Senedd behaves.
Then there's the pollution problem, all those cars tootling around in second gear will fill the streets with pollution, it'll rise and rise and the few accidents stopped by this madness will be replaced tenfold and more in the years to come by serious health issues, those with asthma can look out, better buy your respirators now.
I wonder if cancers will also increase?
By the time we have all gone electric, assuming we all do, thousands of lives will be blighted by illness. |  | | |  |
| The 20MPH punishments on 21:07 - Dec 1 with 1209 views | builthjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 20:20 - Dec 1 by lifelong |
But it is the point, you keep on bringing up the cost of everything, some are saying only 30 people are killed in 30mph zones as if it doesn’t seem to matter.
I didn’t mention anything about alcohol related road accidents. |
If it comes to cost, the 200 million wasted on Rwanda, or the 30 billion Liz Truss saga , to mention just a few, would go a hell of a way . |  |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 21:39 - Dec 1 with 1181 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 21:07 - Dec 1 by builthjack |
If it comes to cost, the 200 million wasted on Rwanda, or the 30 billion Liz Truss saga , to mention just a few, would go a hell of a way . |
The annual cost of the Bibby Stockholm barge is estimated to be a minimum of £18,565,500,
More waste. |  |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 21:55 - Dec 1 with 1172 views | AnotherJohn |
Perhaps those who say there is no need to weigh priorities because a country like the UK should be able to afford everything that would prevent avoidable deaths can name a country somewhere in the world that actually does this? | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:31 - Dec 1 with 1150 views | Boundy |
| The 20MPH punishments on 16:02 - Dec 1 by Kilkennyjack |
Well said.
Lots of selfish people who just dont like being told what to do.
Funny how the never mentioned all the other stuff until the 20mph was introduced.
Just a convenient line to try and argue, but we see them.
Bunch of elderly drama queens. |
You must have a very short memory span if you believe that non of the so called other stuff has never been discussed before. You're only joining in now because its another opportunity to troll , not very successfully I may add . | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 06:48 - Dec 2 with 1129 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| The 20MPH punishments on 21:08 - Nov 30 by Kilkennyjack |
If it saves life's its a good thing. |
Or teach the little shits basic road safety. Don’t run out in front of a car and you won’t get hit at all sweetie. |  |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 12:23 - Dec 2 with 1095 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:31 - Dec 1 by Boundy |
You must have a very short memory span if you believe that non of the so called other stuff has never been discussed before. You're only joining in now because its another opportunity to troll , not very successfully I may add . |
We know where the best place for this boring little troll to be, don't we Boundy. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:51 - Dec 2 with 1089 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 21:39 - Dec 1 by Kilkennyjack |
The annual cost of the Bibby Stockholm barge is estimated to be a minimum of £18,565,500,
More waste. |
That is what it cost to accommodate all the illegal immigrants.
Just think what we could save if we send them back home immediately like the USA with no appeals allowed for anyone entering the country illegally.
Genuine Asylum seekers can apply once they reach the first safe country.
Not sure what this has to do with the silly 20mph law though. Csn you tell us Killy. [Post edited 2 Dec 2023 13:01]
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| The 20MPH punishments on 13:12 - Dec 2 with 1078 views | Boundy |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:23 - Dec 2 by SullutaCreturned |
We know where the best place for this boring little troll to be, don't we Boundy. |
I think we're thinking the same  | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 13:38 - Dec 2 with 1077 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 15:56 - Dec 1 by Kilkennyjack |
I said both.
You are the one suggesting its a choice. A bogus choice of course.
Rejoin the EU
Recover the huge PPE monies
Stop bombing shephards
More than enough to pay for everything we need.
I bet you are the only ex-squaddie to yell ‘shame on you’ at another man. Pull yourself together mun.
You are sounding very woke. [Post edited 1 Dec 2023 15:57]
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A tip.
Don’t bet as it makes you look a moron
The shame of this is the politicising of a deadly topic .
Political ,anti English crap,again. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 10:25 - Dec 3 with 1016 views | controversial_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:51 - Dec 2 by felixstowe_jack |
That is what it cost to accommodate all the illegal immigrants.
Just think what we could save if we send them back home immediately like the USA with no appeals allowed for anyone entering the country illegally.
Genuine Asylum seekers can apply once they reach the first safe country.
Not sure what this has to do with the silly 20mph law though. Csn you tell us Killy. [Post edited 2 Dec 2023 13:01]
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Should we sent the Ukrainian refugees back , as they should go to Poland, as that the nearest safest country? | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:46 - Dec 3 with 1008 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:25 - Dec 3 by controversial_jack |
Should we sent the Ukrainian refugees back , as they should go to Poland, as that the nearest safest country? |
No of course not they are genuine refugees displaced by the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the deliberate targeting of civilians by Russia. The UK has always been happy to welcome genuine refugees. The Ukrainians have gone through a proper process of applying to stay in the UK. Most off then applied at various UK embassies across Europe.
The illegal immigrants we are taking about are the economic migrants who once they are In a safe country, instead of applying for asylum in the country they arrive in, or a third Country, destroy their documents then illegal enter the UK.
Are you deliberately trying to be dense.
Meanwhile can we get back to the subject of this post Drakeford's 20mph law.
It is rumoured that the Welsh Government is considering buying the new generation of stealth speed camera vans. These are grey transit like vans designed to blend into the background unlike the current vans that have bright yellow and red stripes. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 11:31 - Dec 3 with 998 views | majorraglan |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:46 - Dec 3 by felixstowe_jack |
No of course not they are genuine refugees displaced by the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the deliberate targeting of civilians by Russia. The UK has always been happy to welcome genuine refugees. The Ukrainians have gone through a proper process of applying to stay in the UK. Most off then applied at various UK embassies across Europe.
The illegal immigrants we are taking about are the economic migrants who once they are In a safe country, instead of applying for asylum in the country they arrive in, or a third Country, destroy their documents then illegal enter the UK.
Are you deliberately trying to be dense.
Meanwhile can we get back to the subject of this post Drakeford's 20mph law.
It is rumoured that the Welsh Government is considering buying the new generation of stealth speed camera vans. These are grey transit like vans designed to blend into the background unlike the current vans that have bright yellow and red stripes. |
The grey stealth vans were piloted by Northamptonshire police earlier this year and have nothing to do with the Welsh Government. In these parts, Go Safe actually publish the list of sites they are going to be operating in on line. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:14 - Dec 3 with 963 views | controversial_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:46 - Dec 3 by felixstowe_jack |
No of course not they are genuine refugees displaced by the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the deliberate targeting of civilians by Russia. The UK has always been happy to welcome genuine refugees. The Ukrainians have gone through a proper process of applying to stay in the UK. Most off then applied at various UK embassies across Europe.
The illegal immigrants we are taking about are the economic migrants who once they are In a safe country, instead of applying for asylum in the country they arrive in, or a third Country, destroy their documents then illegal enter the UK.
Are you deliberately trying to be dense.
Meanwhile can we get back to the subject of this post Drakeford's 20mph law.
It is rumoured that the Welsh Government is considering buying the new generation of stealth speed camera vans. These are grey transit like vans designed to blend into the background unlike the current vans that have bright yellow and red stripes. |
The vast majority of Ukraine has seen no war Kyev is partying as normal. They have no reason to leave that country. They are economic migrants and should go to the nearest safe country not come here
They are going to get more smart cameras, that's correct, as the current ones will be phased out. The entitled arrogant few who think the law doesn't apply to them will get a shock | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 20:10 - Dec 3 with 920 views | Boundy |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:14 - Dec 3 by controversial_jack |
The vast majority of Ukraine has seen no war Kyev is partying as normal. They have no reason to leave that country. They are economic migrants and should go to the nearest safe country not come here
They are going to get more smart cameras, that's correct, as the current ones will be phased out. The entitled arrogant few who think the law doesn't apply to them will get a shock |
Your last paragraph is beyond parody , you a firm belive in law and order  | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 21:24 - Dec 3 with 880 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:14 - Dec 3 by controversial_jack |
The vast majority of Ukraine has seen no war Kyev is partying as normal. They have no reason to leave that country. They are economic migrants and should go to the nearest safe country not come here
They are going to get more smart cameras, that's correct, as the current ones will be phased out. The entitled arrogant few who think the law doesn't apply to them will get a shock |
The Russian were less than ten miles from the Centre of Kiev after a month after the invasion. The Russian plan was to capture Kiev force Ukraine to surrender. No wonder over 1 million women and children were evacuated especially once news that Russian was executing civilians.
Still not sure why you keep posting Russian propaganda on this thread.
Drakeford says the 20mph was about road safety not a tax raising scheme. Drakeford will soon get a shock if he keeps upsetting labour voters. 466,000 voters already disagree with him. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 23:08 - Dec 3 with 850 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:23 - Dec 2 by SullutaCreturned |
We know where the best place for this boring little troll to be, don't we Boundy. |
Looking for help, you big Jessie ? | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 23:16 - Dec 3 with 846 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:38 - Dec 2 by onehunglow |
A tip.
Don’t bet as it makes you look a moron
The shame of this is the politicising of a deadly topic .
Political ,anti English crap,again. |
In what way is it anti-English ?
I already posted this map of many English cities that are at 20 already.
The democratically elected welsh government makes a change for road safety reasons. Others like Boundy bitch like 13 year old girls about it, but to support the welsh government is somehow anti- English ?
Perhaps you need to move back to Wales cos you appear to have lost your ability to reason. Pity mun. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 23:34 - Dec 3 with 844 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 12:51 - Dec 2 by felixstowe_jack |
That is what it cost to accommodate all the illegal immigrants.
Just think what we could save if we send them back home immediately like the USA with no appeals allowed for anyone entering the country illegally.
Genuine Asylum seekers can apply once they reach the first safe country.
Not sure what this has to do with the silly 20mph law though. Csn you tell us Killy. [Post edited 2 Dec 2023 13:01]
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Its about people being critical of the modest welsh government spend on new road safety measures, whereas the UK wastes thousands of times more on a barge the accommodates nobody and paying the Rwanda government for doing something that is now deemed illegal by the uk courts.
Its an important perspective.
And thats without the uk disasters of covid and brexit.
Again perspective.
The USA has 11 million unauthorised migrants !!
You are right that processing applications quickly is the key to this.
On 31 December 2022, there were around 132,000 asylum applications awaiting an initial decision in the UK, comprising around 161,000 people. The UK's asylum backlog – that is, the number of asylum cases awaiting a Home Office decision – has grown substantially in recent years.
Maybe the Tory government are on a go slow on purpose ?
Why do you think that might be ?
Process quickly then you are in or out.
No long term waiting without work needed.
Rwanda and Bibby Stockholms are for idiot newspaper headlines only, a bit like Johnsons useless Nightingale hospitals that cost us all but never got used. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 23:41 - Dec 3 with 843 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 21:24 - Dec 3 by felixstowe_jack |
The Russian were less than ten miles from the Centre of Kiev after a month after the invasion. The Russian plan was to capture Kiev force Ukraine to surrender. No wonder over 1 million women and children were evacuated especially once news that Russian was executing civilians.
Still not sure why you keep posting Russian propaganda on this thread.
Drakeford says the 20mph was about road safety not a tax raising scheme. Drakeford will soon get a shock if he keeps upsetting labour voters. 466,000 voters already disagree with him. |
Education for first 12 months, no fines.
Bit strange for a tax raising scheme…? | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 09:53 - Dec 4 with 787 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 23:41 - Dec 3 by Kilkennyjack |
Education for first 12 months, no fines.
Bit strange for a tax raising scheme…? |
You saying no one is ever going to be fined for breaking the 20mph limit. Even Drakeford has said the fire service will enforce the limit. Just another way to raise extra taxes and nothing to do with road safety.
If Drakeford was really interested in getting people out of cars onto buses he would let tourists from the rest of the UK use their bus passes in Wales. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 14:29 - Dec 4 with 761 views | majorraglan |
| The 20MPH punishments on 23:41 - Dec 3 by Kilkennyjack |
Education for first 12 months, no fines.
Bit strange for a tax raising scheme…? |
It’s not a tax raising scheme and I believe anyone who suggests otherwise is 100% misinformed or mistaken.
Money from courses goes to the safety camera partnership to improve road safety, money from fixed penalty’s and Court imposed fines hoes to the Treasury in London. Why would Drakers take action which would benefit the Conservative government in London?
I suspect Drakers and Waters genuinely believe in the benefits of the 20 mph speed limit as opposed to it being introduced for financial reasons. There’s a place for 20 mph limits, but not the way this has been rolled out. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 15:01 - Dec 4 with 750 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:29 - Dec 4 by majorraglan |
It’s not a tax raising scheme and I believe anyone who suggests otherwise is 100% misinformed or mistaken.
Money from courses goes to the safety camera partnership to improve road safety, money from fixed penalty’s and Court imposed fines hoes to the Treasury in London. Why would Drakers take action which would benefit the Conservative government in London?
I suspect Drakers and Waters genuinely believe in the benefits of the 20 mph speed limit as opposed to it being introduced for financial reasons. There’s a place for 20 mph limits, but not the way this has been rolled out. |
The last paragraph is spot on IMO. Just because they believe something it doesn't make it right though. |  | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 15:31 - Dec 4 with 733 views | Togg |
| The 20MPH punishments on 23:16 - Dec 3 by Kilkennyjack |
In what way is it anti-English ?
I already posted this map of many English cities that are at 20 already.
The democratically elected welsh government makes a change for road safety reasons. Others like Boundy bitch like 13 year old girls about it, but to support the welsh government is somehow anti- English ?
Perhaps you need to move back to Wales cos you appear to have lost your ability to reason. Pity mun. |
You were dead against it initially | | | |
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