| Third Covid Wave 10:36 - Jul 16 with 72486 views | Sadoldgit |
Infection and hospital rates climbing rapidly. Death rates projected at 200 per day. Nearly 4m people at serious risk. New information coming out about the problems Covid cause the body if it doesn’t kill you. People laid up for the best part of a year with serious complications. Concern over the AstraZenica vaccine. Is it really wise to lift most of the restrictions on Monday? We have been told that we aren’t going back into another lockdown situation no matter what, but Whitty seems to think it might have to be on the cards. [Post edited 18 Jul 2021 9:29]
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| Third Covid Wave on 14:29 - Oct 21 with 1172 views | DorsetIan |
| Third Covid Wave on 13:04 - Oct 21 by Jellybaby |
The classic straw man argument! Ian, I expect better from you!
You can't get out of debate by going to extremes. Answer the questions around control and authoritarianism.
I don't believe everyone else is living in complete sheepish ignorance. Most people can see there are illogical approaches around Covid and acknowledge that, but they take a pragmatic approach that they can't change it - fair enough.
But then there are covid zealots like yourself who think we should wear masks forever, lock down sooner and harder and that the unvaxxed should have their freedoms removed in a medical apartheid. I know you like to think of yourself as "Mr Normal" but your viewpoint is pretty extreme too fella. |
I wasn't making an argument. I was defending you. Explaining that you actually believe this stuff. As I said, not the eggs maybe but the general gist is where you're coming from. Evil forces conspiring to get us, that sort of thing.
Thankfully the vast majority of people do not believe the nonsense that you and 68 believe. It's a shame that any do, but there you go. |  |
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| Third Covid Wave on 14:48 - Oct 21 with 1148 views | saint68 |
| Third Covid Wave on 14:29 - Oct 21 by DorsetIan |
I wasn't making an argument. I was defending you. Explaining that you actually believe this stuff. As I said, not the eggs maybe but the general gist is where you're coming from. Evil forces conspiring to get us, that sort of thing.
Thankfully the vast majority of people do not believe the nonsense that you and 68 believe. It's a shame that any do, but there you go. |
Yet again idle insinuations Ian, you don't know my viewpoint, all I've ever done is to question the whole scenario for its many discrepancies in mortality rates and the contradictions in advice throughout...its been calamitous and destructive far beyond the reality of coping with a viral infection outbreak..
We have vaccines being forced on people with peer pressure and never ending media scaremongering..yet we have the distinct probability of over100,000 cases a day in a heavily vaccinated country...compared to countries with poor rollouts that have by comparison distinctly smaller case numbers...
And not one raised eyebrow in regards to the NHS comments on over 60,000 seasonal flu deaths predicted for this winter...but I'm the crackpot according to you... | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 15:17 - Oct 21 with 1134 views | DorsetIan |
| Third Covid Wave on 14:48 - Oct 21 by saint68 |
Yet again idle insinuations Ian, you don't know my viewpoint, all I've ever done is to question the whole scenario for its many discrepancies in mortality rates and the contradictions in advice throughout...its been calamitous and destructive far beyond the reality of coping with a viral infection outbreak..
We have vaccines being forced on people with peer pressure and never ending media scaremongering..yet we have the distinct probability of over100,000 cases a day in a heavily vaccinated country...compared to countries with poor rollouts that have by comparison distinctly smaller case numbers...
And not one raised eyebrow in regards to the NHS comments on over 60,000 seasonal flu deaths predicted for this winter...but I'm the crackpot according to you... |
You should check who's using your computer because a few day back someone posted this under your name:
"Cancer,heart disease,dementia,suicide absolutely anhilatinng the mortality figures and yet the obsession with a flu outbreak consumes you all .get a fukin grip...its absolute coercion and control .nothing more nothing less..raise your heads above the parapet and think logically instead of consuming the horrendous negative outbreak bile ..you are all gown men.. start to actually question the situation instead of blindly accepting it ..adverse deaths..do the maths...oh and expect 60,000 flu deaths this winter as we skipped a year...honestly wake the fuk up!!!!.
It's becoming implausible and embarrassing."
For a man who doesn't want his (oh so reasonable, not 'crackpot' at all) viewpoint to be misrepresented, this sort of thing can give people entirely the wrong impression.
Btw it's not personal. I think all conspiracy theorists are crackpots. | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 15:23 - Oct 21 with 1133 views | saint68 |
| Third Covid Wave on 15:17 - Oct 21 by DorsetIan |
You should check who's using your computer because a few day back someone posted this under your name:
"Cancer,heart disease,dementia,suicide absolutely anhilatinng the mortality figures and yet the obsession with a flu outbreak consumes you all .get a fukin grip...its absolute coercion and control .nothing more nothing less..raise your heads above the parapet and think logically instead of consuming the horrendous negative outbreak bile ..you are all gown men.. start to actually question the situation instead of blindly accepting it ..adverse deaths..do the maths...oh and expect 60,000 flu deaths this winter as we skipped a year...honestly wake the fuk up!!!!.
It's becoming implausible and embarrassing."
For a man who doesn't want his (oh so reasonable, not 'crackpot' at all) viewpoint to be misrepresented, this sort of thing can give people entirely the wrong impression.
Btw it's not personal. I think all conspiracy theorists are crackpots. |
Are you everso slightly touched, read it..it doesn't represent being a maniac or a crackpot or as you regularly call me an Idiot..its just a comment on how out of control this whole situation has got and the inconsistency of actions and controls...
Maybe just stick to insults.. | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 15:33 - Oct 21 with 1128 views | DorsetIan |
| Third Covid Wave on 15:23 - Oct 21 by saint68 |
Are you everso slightly touched, read it..it doesn't represent being a maniac or a crackpot or as you regularly call me an Idiot..its just a comment on how out of control this whole situation has got and the inconsistency of actions and controls...
Maybe just stick to insults.. |
'Absolute coercion and control' is what it said. That's the conspiracy theory, crackpot bit. | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 15:42 - Oct 21 with 1124 views | saint68 |
| Third Covid Wave on 15:33 - Oct 21 by DorsetIan |
'Absolute coercion and control' is what it said. That's the conspiracy theory, crackpot bit. |
Both those comments are correct..coercion and control..we are being traumatised by ridiculously out of control media hype and misrepresentation of the actual real term effect....
People are dying from not being able to access normal routine appointments on a scale that outweighs the deaths from covid..we are creating more hardship than should ever be the case...
That's my opinion and viewpoint..no conspiracy about that.. just logical thinking and observation Ian. | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 15:46 - Oct 21 with 1118 views | DorsetIan |
| Third Covid Wave on 15:42 - Oct 21 by saint68 |
Both those comments are correct..coercion and control..we are being traumatised by ridiculously out of control media hype and misrepresentation of the actual real term effect....
People are dying from not being able to access normal routine appointments on a scale that outweighs the deaths from covid..we are creating more hardship than should ever be the case...
That's my opinion and viewpoint..no conspiracy about that.. just logical thinking and observation Ian. |
There are no longer any legal restrictions, vaccination is not compulsory and we have a free press.
To call it 'absolute coercion and control' is crackpot. | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 15:59 - Oct 21 with 1114 views | saint68 |
| Third Covid Wave on 15:46 - Oct 21 by DorsetIan |
There are no longer any legal restrictions, vaccination is not compulsory and we have a free press.
To call it 'absolute coercion and control' is crackpot. |
Vaccination isn't compulsory, wow how out of touch is that ill-informed comment.. try telling that to the hundreds of thousands that have been confronted with job losses if they refuse...
Current restrictions..Ian...Current.
Probably best you just stick to insults isn't it Ian..definitely your level [Post edited 21 Oct 2021 16:03]
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| Third Covid Wave on 16:22 - Oct 21 with 1095 views | DorsetIan |
| Third Covid Wave on 15:59 - Oct 21 by saint68 |
Vaccination isn't compulsory, wow how out of touch is that ill-informed comment.. try telling that to the hundreds of thousands that have been confronted with job losses if they refuse...
Current restrictions..Ian...Current.
Probably best you just stick to insults isn't it Ian..definitely your level [Post edited 21 Oct 2021 16:03]
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Not just 'coercion and control' mind, 'absolute coercion and control' was what was said.
It's something that could only be said by a crackpot conspiracy theorist. The rest from you is just noise. | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 16:29 - Oct 21 with 1095 views | saint68 |
| Third Covid Wave on 16:22 - Oct 21 by DorsetIan |
Not just 'coercion and control' mind, 'absolute coercion and control' was what was said.
It's something that could only be said by a crackpot conspiracy theorist. The rest from you is just noise. |
Wow!! ..starting to sound a little unhinged there Ian..
If I'm to be referred to as a crackpot then it would seem apt to describe you as a bubble blowing baby that loves to stamp your feet in your uncontrolled temper tantrums. | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 16:57 - Oct 21 with 1069 views | DorsetIan |
| Third Covid Wave on 16:29 - Oct 21 by saint68 |
Wow!! ..starting to sound a little unhinged there Ian..
If I'm to be referred to as a crackpot then it would seem apt to describe you as a bubble blowing baby that loves to stamp your feet in your uncontrolled temper tantrums. |
Nice image. Perhaps I am one of the people at the heart of the conspiracy. Have you considered that? Maybe that's why I am getting so mad and stamping my feet, because I think you might have rumbled me and my lizard friends. | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 18:18 - Oct 21 with 1024 views | Sadoldgit |
| Third Covid Wave on 15:42 - Oct 21 by saint68 |
Both those comments are correct..coercion and control..we are being traumatised by ridiculously out of control media hype and misrepresentation of the actual real term effect....
People are dying from not being able to access normal routine appointments on a scale that outweighs the deaths from covid..we are creating more hardship than should ever be the case...
That's my opinion and viewpoint..no conspiracy about that.. just logical thinking and observation Ian. |
Tell that to the loved ones that have lost loved ones to the pandemic and for those who will lose them in the days to come. The evidence shows that the vaccines saves lives. It really isn’t rocket science. | | | |
| Third Covid Wave on 18:51 - Oct 21 with 1009 views | saint68 |
| Third Covid Wave on 18:18 - Oct 21 by Sadoldgit |
Tell that to the loved ones that have lost loved ones to the pandemic and for those who will lose them in the days to come. The evidence shows that the vaccines saves lives. It really isn’t rocket science. |
Imagine the horror inflicted on hundreds of thousands last year that never got to have that final touch,kiss loving word whispered in their ears as we took the dignity and compassion from those left in isolation and consigned them to death without that last embrace..now thats the real tragedy... | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 10:08 - Oct 22 with 923 views | Sadoldgit |
| Third Covid Wave on 18:51 - Oct 21 by saint68 |
Imagine the horror inflicted on hundreds of thousands last year that never got to have that final touch,kiss loving word whispered in their ears as we took the dignity and compassion from those left in isolation and consigned them to death without that last embrace..now thats the real tragedy... |
A bigger tragedy would be for those saying goodbye to their loved ones to become infected and become seriously ill themselves or pass it on to someone else who could die. You seem to miss the whole point of lockdown. By making sacrifices we prevented thousands more of having to lose their lives or the lives of their loved ones. Well Over half a million people lost their lives to this virus in Brazil. Would you be happy with that figure here? This is not a game. You conspiracy theorists loved to play it down but we are still living through a very serious pandemic. Without the lockdown and subsequent vaccine programme we would be in a far more perilous state now. | | | |
| Third Covid Wave on 10:29 - Oct 22 with 915 views | dwayne_dibley |
maybe herd immunity was the right way to go, let natural immunity sort the problem out. Seems to work for bats. |  |
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| Third Covid Wave on 10:33 - Oct 22 with 914 views | saint68 |
| Third Covid Wave on 10:08 - Oct 22 by Sadoldgit |
A bigger tragedy would be for those saying goodbye to their loved ones to become infected and become seriously ill themselves or pass it on to someone else who could die. You seem to miss the whole point of lockdown. By making sacrifices we prevented thousands more of having to lose their lives or the lives of their loved ones. Well Over half a million people lost their lives to this virus in Brazil. Would you be happy with that figure here? This is not a game. You conspiracy theorists loved to play it down but we are still living through a very serious pandemic. Without the lockdown and subsequent vaccine programme we would be in a far more perilous state now. |
Brazil has 3.5 times more population than the UK. The outcomes are no different.. try harder. | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 11:07 - Oct 22 with 903 views | DorsetIan |
| Third Covid Wave on 10:33 - Oct 22 by saint68 |
Brazil has 3.5 times more population than the UK. The outcomes are no different.. try harder. |
Deaths per 1m population in Brazil = c.2800
Deaths per 1m population in UK = c.2000
I don't know how maths works in your world (I dare say that can't be trusted either) but I make that a 40% increase on our rate.
'The outcome are no different.' B0ll0cks.
And, of course, the UK's 2000 isn't particularly good, which is widely acknowledged to be as a result of cack-handed management by the govt. Compare e.g. Germany (1138), Ireland (1,072)...
...and that's before we even start thinking about Japan (144) and the other countries that knew what they were doing. | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 11:28 - Oct 22 with 892 views | Sadoldgit |
| Third Covid Wave on 10:33 - Oct 22 by saint68 |
Brazil has 3.5 times more population than the UK. The outcomes are no different.. try harder. |
Sadly you are too busy being patronising to bother to get the point. I was talking about the number of deaths plain and simple, not making any comparisons. Whether loved ones get to say goodbye or not, it doesn’t make any of these deaths any less tragic. Especially when you consider how many lives could have been saved with earlier lockdowns and border closures. | | | |
| Third Covid Wave on 12:11 - Oct 22 with 881 views | dwayne_dibley |
Maybe the Treasury saw it as a cunning plan to reduce Social Security costs. A bit like the NHS being told not to test elderly patients being pushed back into care homes. Council officials were recorded telling care homes that if they did not take untested patients their funding would be cut off | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 12:23 - Oct 22 with 878 views | saint68 |
| Third Covid Wave on 11:07 - Oct 22 by DorsetIan |
Deaths per 1m population in Brazil = c.2800
Deaths per 1m population in UK = c.2000
I don't know how maths works in your world (I dare say that can't be trusted either) but I make that a 40% increase on our rate.
'The outcome are no different.' B0ll0cks.
And, of course, the UK's 2000 isn't particularly good, which is widely acknowledged to be as a result of cack-handed management by the govt. Compare e.g. Germany (1138), Ireland (1,072)...
...and that's before we even start thinking about Japan (144) and the other countries that knew what they were doing. |
So finally using your working out we see Sweden really did well with no lockdowns....
Bravo Ian, you just proved something I've been saying all alongðŸ¾ðŸ¥‚🥂 | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 12:39 - Oct 22 with 872 views | dwayne_dibley |
| Third Covid Wave on 12:23 - Oct 22 by saint68 |
So finally using your working out we see Sweden really did well with no lockdowns....
Bravo Ian, you just proved something I've been saying all alongðŸ¾ðŸ¥‚🥂 |
proves my point that herd immunity and no jabs for the over 50's would have been the cheapest overall option | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 14:01 - Oct 22 with 849 views | kernow |
| Third Covid Wave on 12:39 - Oct 22 by dwayne_dibley |
proves my point that herd immunity and no jabs for the over 50's would have been the cheapest overall option |
Wouldn't have made much difference personally. Been living on borrowed time forever. | | | |
| Third Covid Wave on 14:28 - Oct 22 with 840 views | DorsetIan |
| Third Covid Wave on 12:23 - Oct 22 by saint68 |
So finally using your working out we see Sweden really did well with no lockdowns....
Bravo Ian, you just proved something I've been saying all alongðŸ¾ðŸ¥‚🥂 |
No 68, I demonstrated how you talk out of your @rse e.g. suggesting that UK and Brazil were equivalent.
And I'll take my lessons on Sweden from the experts too, not from libertarian propagandists like you.
The journal Nature, one of the world's leading scientific journals (but no doubt staffed by terrified employees all under the 'absolute control and coercion' of lizards) published some proper science on it. Interesting stuff and funnily enough it doesn't conclude that Covid doesn't exist and simply ignoring it is the best way.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95699-9 | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 15:08 - Oct 22 with 826 views | saint68 |
| Third Covid Wave on 14:28 - Oct 22 by DorsetIan |
No 68, I demonstrated how you talk out of your @rse e.g. suggesting that UK and Brazil were equivalent.
And I'll take my lessons on Sweden from the experts too, not from libertarian propagandists like you.
The journal Nature, one of the world's leading scientific journals (but no doubt staffed by terrified employees all under the 'absolute control and coercion' of lizards) published some proper science on it. Interesting stuff and funnily enough it doesn't conclude that Covid doesn't exist and simply ignoring it is the best way.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95699-9 |
Statistics Baby, they don't lie..
Most cases of covid currently anywhere in the world are in the most heavily vaccinated countries...Statistics Baby
https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/modern-day-censorship/most-covid-deaths-i [Post edited 22 Oct 2021 15:24]
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| Third Covid Wave on 15:36 - Oct 22 with 810 views | DorsetIan |
The statistics don't support anything you say.
Either you don't have the wit to understand that, or you don't care as long as you are furthering the libertarian cause.
I suspect it's a bit of both. | |
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